Start the Week Open Thread 10 September 2018

its 200 days to our WTO Brexit. So the Far Left BBC will go all out to subvert the democratic vote . Meanwhile the Swedes have shown that they do not approve of their politicians destroying their own country – a liberal poison which spread across the West unchecked up until our Brexit vote .

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803 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 10 September 2018

  1. Annunaki says:

    Crunched the numbers ? how scientific, gives one a real sense of their analysis from the BBC sociology and media study graduates, mathematics or science not being a requirement for their studies or ever giving them pause for thought

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  2. Annunaki says:

    How about “crunching the numbers” of white british indigenous males in this country and their lack of representation in the media ? the percentage of white females married to white males in this country and their lack of representation in the media ? the true percentage of muslims in this country and the percentage of coverage they get on your website ? the percentage of attacks upon jews and homosexuals comitted by “far right” compared to muslims, a statistical analysis of the ethnic background of london stabbers, all interesting numbers but unlikely to be “crunched” I will assume

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  3. LastChanceSaloon says:

    201908-13 Guardian Opinion.
    “Casual sexism creates victims. We should acknowledge that and police it”
    Yes let’s police it. Let’s police it to death.
    Let’s have these new laws you haters want, that will have white men, because they are the target of this article, in jail for having the wrong DNA.

    Of course that will leave fewer resources to police professional sexism, like mass rape of white girls with correlated racism and religionism.

    But police it anyway, let’s worry about rich, privately-educated, stuck-up, Communist snobs being whistled at in the street.

    Poor white children don’t matter. Until they are near voting age.

    I don’t know how you Guardianist scum sleep at night.

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    • Annunaki says:

      ISBN 978 1 78606 513 1

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      • Annunaki says:

        the truth is out there but you have to search hard fot it now, our national broadcaster is working to hide it, if this was a white british group of people it would be a national scandal

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    • Annunaki says:

      casual sexism hmm like that coke advert or lately anything about Poldark lets all have a public letch at his sixpack and when is he going to take his shirt off ? hmmm or all agreeing on social media and “loose witches” about wetting your little panties about firemen ?

         20 likes

    • Annunaki says:

      Neither of them worth much, one was a butler once that raised a snigger now and again, the other asks some questions on a quiz show, a “mellifluous tone” on a whale programme is all the butler does now

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  4. Guest Who says:

    Bbc editorial reporting means not mentioning anything in Britain that may not suit, but if it’s elsewhere…

    I bet they hope no one has a sense of irony.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      We must stop brexit
      No flying no driving no mobile phone no food
      The English language will be banned
      There will not be any human rights any more
      No Eurovision Song Contest
      Oh the humanity

      But there will be Duty Free…

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  5. theisland says:

    Speaking of Google …
    Ezra Levant interviews TR (1hr 40m)

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  6. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Breaking news on sky.
    Carney (hard line remainer) comes out with more doom and gloom.
    He says no deal could mean going into recession and house prices dropping by a third.
    Plonker.

    The remoaners are putting everything into trying to scare people about Brexit. No phones, driving, aircraft, food, medicine…you name it, it’s the end of the world next March.

    They must be causing lots of people, older or just ordinary folk, to worry, thinking that there must be something in what they are continuously spewing out about Brexit.
    Our lot, the brexiteers don’t seem to be doing a very good job countering all these wild claims and threats.
    Or maybe they are not being given the airtime.

    Politics live today (loose wimmin) all remainers except one of them.
    Kay Burley interviewing 3 people about today’s scare stories on Brexit, 2 remoaners to 1 normal person (the leaver)

    I wish our leaver leaders would go on the offensive instead of being so easy going.
    Why don’t they point out all the horrors of staying in the eu.

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      BBC Headline You Are Unlikely To See:

      “” Why We Are Better Off Outside The EU””

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    • taffman says:

      “house prices dropping by a third.”
      Surely that means that our youngsters can now get on the property ladder?
      More desperate propaganda as we get closer to the leave date.

         33 likes

    • taffman says:

      “Carney (hard line Remainer) comes out with more doom and gloom.”
      Now why do you all think that Carney was given an extension to his post in the Bank of England ?
      It’s Simples!

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    • Banania says:

      Let’s hope all this scaring has the same effect as the last time.

         0 likes

  7. Nibor says:

    BBC ,

    Have you told the hordes at Calais , Zeebrugge etc that Britain will be a poor , racist country where there will be no food and medicines , and your mobile phones you all have will be £70 per minute roaming charge to your people smuggler ?

    And the ex senior civil servant from the Home Office ( lauded by the then Home Secretary Therea May on his retirement ) who got another sinecure from whence he said that we can’t control the numbers coming in – what ! to a country of food shortages and no medicines ? Why AreThey Coming Here ?

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  8. Gammon says:

    Whaaaaaaattt???!?

    BBc could not resist a round up article on all the things that will go wrong with our world post Brexit…. BUT a new one for me in there that UK citizens wont be able to take guns to Europe but EU citizens (residents?) can bring their guns here to the UK… What’s the point of this??? It must apply to a incredibly small number of firearms licence holders and perhaps sports competition shooters….. perhaps just padding and a little scare froth….

    “Firearms

    Currently, EU citizens are allowed to travel with firearms between member states.
    This requires a “European Firearms Pass”, and if you have one, you can go back and forth with it.
    However, in a no-deal scenario, people from the UK will not be able to get one of these passes and will have to check with the country they are travelling to what the rules are. The rules won’t change for EU citizens though, whose passes will still be accepted in the UK.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45511297

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    • Demon says:

      Although it affects just a tiny number of people, the rules need to be changed so that EU “citizens” should be treated in this country in exactly the same way as reverse. Anything else would be a black mark against the government member agreeing to a one-sided deal.

      Every difficulty placed in the path of Britons by the EU must be reciprocated in full.

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  9. taffman says:

    “Skripal suspects’ tourist claims ‘offensive to victims’”
    Russia knows this . That’s why they published it. It offended Mrs May, but what is she going to do about it? They are ‘taking the Mick’ out of her because they know she is weak.
    Russia has control over Germany and the EU because they supply gas to them. Trump warned about this. The EU controls Mrs May, she is a Remainer.

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  10. taffman says:

    “UK driving licence ‘may not be valid in EU’ after no-deal Brexit”
    So no more British tourists driving to the EU?
    The EU suffers.
    This could work both ways, no more delivery of European Goods to the UK
    The EU suffers.
    Have they really thought this propaganda out?
    Its done in an act of desperation.

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  11. Guest Who says:

    Subtle.

    I wonder how many times they will keep ‘asking’ this?

       36 likes

    • taffman says:

      Guest Who
      May is getting desperate, that’s why it is being asked. That was her plan two years ago. Why do you think Al Beeb and the media has been given free rein?
      She is a Remainer which would explain all the procrastination.

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      • Guest Who says:

        Well, she might like to uncrack the record she gives Aunty to play. As they faithfully keep doing.

        #CCBGB

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        • Dave666 says:

          I was 14 in 1975 and therefore too young to vote in the Common Market referendum. I’ve had to live with the consequences of that for most of my life. Oh dear how sad that’s democracy get on with it…

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        • MarkyMark says:

          Child worries about future rather than rolling up sleeves.

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  12. taffman says:

    When it was reported Mark Carney admited he was wrong ……………………………
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/984559/brexit-news-mark-carney-bank-of-england-uk-economy-mistake-latest
    Was it true ?

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  13. Guest Who says:

    Et, repetez…

       17 likes

    • taffman says:

      Guest Who
      ”We have been lied to quite severely on Brexit”
      Those old enough to remember 1975, will be reminded that we were told then that the EU was only a trading group, a Common Market, nothing more.
      We were lied to quite severely .

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      • JimS says:

        Ah yes, anything we didn’t like we would be able to veto, (replaced by ‘qualified majority voting’ in which we are easily out-voted), and ‘free-movement’, which, although in the treaty, ‘doesn’t actually happen in practice and isn’t expected to happen in future’, (until we tack on eastern countries with wages a tenth of ours).

        The biggest, and more recent lie is that the EU doesn’t make our laws yet apparently it is now impossible to leave because the EU makes all our laws.

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    • Banania says:

      Faiza Shaheen – where did she learn to speak?

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  14. Guest Who says:

    Well, ‘we’ do have it, for now.

    Which explains if not excuses the antics of the state system.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      I expect the Dalai Lama will be unpersonned in many more places after that.

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    • Terminal Moraine says:

      Almost nothing reported whatsoever on mainstream media.

      The Dalai Lama has the responsibility (amongst others) of disseminating the Kalachakra tantra. He has been doing so continuously for over 60 years. This cycle of Buddhist teaching and practice does not speak favourably of particular invading ‘barbarian’ forces, on an exoteric level at the very least.

      It is no surprise that the media don’t touch his comments with a bargepole.

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  15. taffman says:

    “The UK’s bulk interception powers, exposed by the whistleblower Edward Snowden, have been found to be illegal by the European Court of Human Rights.” – (GCHQ).
    Is the EU getting worried about our intel. ?
    They should be .

       24 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      His record speaks for itself.

         11 likes

  16. vlad says:

    The beeb / msm continue to be very vexed about child abuse in the Catholic Church in US and elsewhere.
    How heartening to see such concern for the welfare of our children.

    So I wonder if readers of this site can think of other examples of widespread child abuse by members of a religion, perhaps closer to home? Should we inform the beeb so they can whip up some righteous indignation?

    Or at least report in their usual fair and balanced way?

       41 likes

    • RobRoy says:

      I watched Spotlight last night. The film is about the Boston Globe’s investigation into child abuse by priests in that city. The journalists found the law and legal system were involved in keeping the lid on the story.

      Now… I thought, what about a film about those who tried to sweep events under the carpet in Rotherham, Rochadale, Oxford, Telford etc. That would make quite uncomfortable viewing for all.

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  17. AsISeeIt says:

    I trust you’re all enjoying World Afro Day?
    Personally, I dread this sort of thing. I noted hereabouts (on another thread) some weeks back how Radio 4 combing as they are wont to do through the roots of minority activism had gone head over heels with The Politics Of Hair. Not content, suddenly BBC tv locks into World Afro Day.
    Seriously, the PC watchword is supposed to Inclusivity and yet this targeted activism in which so many are excluded is on the contrary highly divisive intentionally sowing seeds of resentment. Stop it BBC. It’s twisted.

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  18. AsISeeIt says:

    The world of stand up comedy has established the phrase ‘Mic Drop’ moment to refer to the end of a successful performance. It’s become something media savvy youngsters among us now regard as a meme.

    I’d like to suggest a new concept the ‘Off Switch’ moment a term useful in describing a statement perhaps heard from a BBC presenter or item introduced on BBC TV or Radio which tips the normal run of Lefty bias to some extreme point beyond the pale. Maybe an instance where the habitual achingly PC agenda veers off into the realms of the absurd. Alternatively a moment where a BBC presenter is simply unconscionably dumb. Causing one to exercise one’s right to the off switch.

    I’ll start the ball rolling with my example from this morning.

    Glancing at Breakfast on the BBC News Channel and resigning myself to having to stomach a heavy bout of prefigured – indeed prepackaged – weather porn related to the up coming Florida storm I hear the bearded sofa munchkin Jon Kay mutter “I love the names of storms”

    Off Switch Moment !

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  19. MarkyMark says:

    BBC Radio 2 Chris Evans joined by Islamist Janet Jackson … will singer Janet Jackson explain the beauty of Islam and why Islam hates music?

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    • AsISeeIt says:

      Excuse me BBC, sorry, this must be my mistake. I’ve double booked or something? It’s a pain I know but I think I’ve got a diary clash. On the one hand World Hijab Day, on the other hand World Afro Day.

      Modest and respectful or out and proud? Gosh, what do I do?

      I guess I’ll just saty in and say I’m washing my hair.

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  20. Deborah says:

    Poor Mishal is not having a good morning. Just before 7 am she asked somebody from Salisbury Cathedral about Amazon. He very firmly replied he had been asked on to talk about the Russian poisoners and not Amazon.
    Then after the 7am news she was interviewing a man from the American Red Cross mainly about the storm (it isn’t a hurricane now) in the Carolinas. But she tried to trap him into commenting on Trump and the hurricane last year in Puerto Rico. He firmly replied that all his energies right now are on the present storm.
    Wonder why she isn’t paid as much as Humphries?

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  21. Guest Who says:

    Bbc morning ‘what we want you to think’ email:

    “Spy stories

    The two men accused of poisoning Sergei and Yulia Skripal told the world on Thursday that they’d only gone to Salisbury to see the cathedral. The claims drew much derision, not least because they chose to make their protestations of innocence via state-run TV station RT. The channel’s editor-in-chief, though, didn’t take kindly to being quizzed by Newsnight about the interview. Margarita Simonyan hung up on Kirsty Wark, calling her questions “typical Western propaganda”.“

    Margarita could of course have been ‘quizzed’ by Samira, look a bit sulky, and say they ‘got it about right’. Sorted.

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  22. Guest Who says:

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/bachelors-of-bumptiousness/?

    Interestingly, the bbc seems to have come up with a truly innovative way to address lack of journalistic rigour.

    Hiring new ‘talent’ based on skin tone, faith following and being thick.

       24 likes

  23. Guest Who says:

    Step 4. If it involves a cartoon mocking you, go batshit mental and harp on for weeks…

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/09/14/friday-funny-how-to-report-weather-in-the-msm/

       14 likes

  24. Guest Who says:

    I wonder who would emerge victorious between JHB and LK in a mud wrestling ring?

    And who would deploy the full force of the bbc to try and prop up the loser?

       23 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Look, and listen, to the other specially invited panellists as they attempt to interrupt or sign and flounce against fact and logic…

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    • Kaiser says:

      and there was I thinking everyone was moaning about house prices being to high

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      • Englands Dreaming says:

        Quite! More “fake news”. And of course what the MSM, BBC etc is losing sight of is that its the WORST case scenario. Did anyone ask Carney what the he thinks is the probability of this is… <3%, 5%, 15% no of course they didnt as that spoils Project Fear 2.0. How about the best case scenario assume there is one of these as well.

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  25. Dave666 says:

    BBc Breakfast: It’s world Afro day apparently….

       11 likes

  26. Fedup2 says:

    I’m thinking of starting a new thread but I got told off last time I went early ….

    Ithnk Carney isn’t be pessimistic enough. A 35% drop in house prices isn’t enough – in fact it will be nearer to a 100 to a 110% drop meaning we ll have to pay ourselves 10% of the value to live in our own homes .

    And I’ve started to hoard air just in case we can’t get any from the EUreich

    The Project Fear stuff is as out of hand as it was during the referendum campaign . Are these remainers so thick that they don’t realise it didn’t work the first time and won’t work again .

    Obviously carney and soros are not british so miss out on the inate national character of rejecting bullying and the nonsense of project fear 1 and 2 .

    As I’ve said before – if it all goes bandy with a wto brexit then we can rejoin and give up out country – if it all goes well it should hopefully kill off the ReichEU in its current form

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      BBC headline you won’t see: ‘No-deal Brexit to deliver massive housing boost for young people and families’. As a co-ordinated part of Project Fear, the BBC is reporting the comments of globalist spokesman Carney on a possible fall in house prices when Britain leaves the crumbling EU (“Oh no, Maud, I wish I hadn’t voted for Brexit! Can’t we have a second referendum?”). Yet they could have portrayed it in a very different light. For the past decade, they have been pushing the narrative that young people cannot afford to get on to the housing ladder, most recently just a month ago:
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45084530
      Yet, here we have a stunning prediction that house prices may fall by up to a 1/3rd, thereby making housing a lot more affordable to many more people. Surely a time for great celebration, no?
      All of this feeds into the wider establishment narrative that a house should be an investment rather than just a place to live, thereby papering over the holes regarding low interest rates and poorly performing pensions.
      To quote a comedian from years gone by: “It’s the way I tell ’em”.

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      • Englands Dreaming says:

        Carney’s Worst Case Brexit scenario, is a valid war gameing exercise. Equally valid though is Remain Worst Case scenario; implosion of EU, Euro collapse, Russia invades Baltic states, whatever extreme event you want to put in. Its highly likely (I hope) the Treasury has something like this, but the MSM will never ask the question.

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  27. MarkyMark says:

    We no longer need Monty Python to write the comedy … WE ARE THE COMEDY.

    “This is what Brexit Britain will look like. The chances of a trade deal with the EU, were a million to one, they said.”

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    • Old Goat says:

      The way things are going, you won’t have to wait for a trade deal for that scenario to occur. Maybe a good thing, in the long term…

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    • Anne says:

      Looks like a good idea, taking the target into account. (Not sure why it’s the wrong way round, though.)

      How about Broadcasting House?

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      • Dystopian says:

        “(Not sure why it’s the wrong way round, though.)”

        Oh come on Anne isn’t it obvious?

        The biased bbc have spun it so that the aggression is coming from the (far) right!!!

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  28. Guest Who says:

    BBC:

    A) Approves
    B) Appalled
    C) Mute (see A)

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  29. thirdoption says:

    “BBC presenter Mishal Husain, 45, opens up on her self-doubt, admitting her worries she’s ‘not cut out for the job’”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6166311/BBC-presenter-Mishal-Husain-opens-self-doubt.html

    Well done for realising something the rest of us already knew Mishal.

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  30. thirdoption says:

    “Labour MP Chi Onwurah claims £250 expenses to pay for his voice coach which she says was ‘media training'”

    Oh dear, the Daily Mail online has this headline.

    Only problem is, the MP they’re talking about is a black woman.

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  31. pugnazious says:

    Have I been buried so deep in a blinkered Biased BBC Bubble that I have missed the BBC’s widepsread coverage of the Dalai Lama’s comments about immigration and asylum seekers when he visited Sweden? Surely they gave him an extensive write up as Sweden and immigration were front and centre of the news agenda just days ago with the elections?

    Why wouldn’t the BBC be loudly cheering his words as he exhorted immigrants to return to their homelands to rebuild them and their societies stating that ‘Europe belongs to the Europeans’?

    From France 24:

    Dalai Lama says ‘Europe belongs to Europeans’

    ‘The Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, said Wednesday that “Europe belongs to the Europeans” and that refugees should return to their native countries to rebuild them.

    Speaking at a conference in Sweden’s third-largest city of Malmo, home to a large immigrant population, the Dalai Lama — who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989 — said Europe was “morally responsible” for helping “a refugee really facing danger against their life”.

    “Receive them, help them, educate them… but ultimately they should develop their own country,” said the 83-year-old Tibetan who fled the capital Lhasa in fear of his life after China poured troops into the region to crush an uprising.

    “I think Europe belongs to the Europeans,” he said, adding they should make clear to refugees that “they ultimately should rebuild their own country”. ‘

    ‘ “When we look at the face of each refugee, but especially those of the children and women, we feel their suffering, and a human being who has a better situation in life has the responsibility to help them.

    “But on the other hand, there are too many at the moment… Europe, Germany in particular, cannot become an Arab country, Germany is Germany”.

    Wise words that it would be wise not to ignore…though the BBC seems to have.

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  32. fakenewswatcher says:

    I had to chuckle last night. R4 News at 10 kept harping on about how RT was state-funded, implying that that would make it biased and untrustworthy. Pot. Kettle.
    What I was able to agree with was the unreliability of anything the two ‘GRU’ men said. However, simply because they made fools of themselves is no reason to believe anything we are being told by the beeb and its buddies.
    This has been a wonderful exercise to try and make May look strong, when she has little support, and create the ‘enemy at the gates’, so she can strut her indignation and ‘unite the country behind her’.

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    • pugnazious says:

      Yep….by coincidence just looking at the US intelligence assessment of the alleged Russian attempts to influence the election, so far its mostly high school stuff with ‘confident’ assertions, based on what seems more like wishful thinking, that Russia did try to hack the election…for example Putin said he was pleased that Trump wanted to have better relations with Russia…strong evidence of collusion!

      As for RT they come up with some tripe and as you say stones and glasshouses….the things the US intelligence complain of and say are evidence of electoral interference or intereference in US national affairs, are exactly the same things that the BBC reports negatively on……from fracking to US intelligence illegal actions and uber State surveillance, and support for Occupy as well as opposition to western intervention in other countries…..standard BBC fare….

      From the report…..

      ‘ RT Editor in Chief Margarita Simonyan recently declared that the United States itself lacks democracy and that it has “no moral right to teach the rest of the world” (Kommersant, 6 November).

      Simonyan has characterized RT’s coverage of the Occupy Wall Street movement as “information warfare” that is aimed at promoting popular dissatisfaction with the US Government. RT created a Facebook app to connect Occupy Wall Street protesters via social media. In addition, RT featured its own hosts in Occupy rallies (“Minaev Live,” 10 April; RT, 2, 12 June).

      RT’s reports often characterize the United States as a “surveillance state” and allege widespread infringements of civil liberties, police brutality, and drone use (RT, 24, 28 October, 1-10 November).

      RT has also focused on criticism of the US economic system, US currency policy, alleged Wall Street greed, and the US national debt. Some of RT’s hosts have compared the United States to Imperial Rome and have predicted that government corruption and “corporate greed” will lead to US financial collapse (RT, 31 October, 4 November).

      RT runs anti-fracking programming, highlighting environmental issues and the impacts on public health. This is likely reflective of the Russian Government’s concern about the impact of fracking and US natural gas production on the global energy market and the potential challenges to Gazprom’s profitability (5 October).

      RT is a leading media voice opposing Western intervention in the Syrian conflict and blaming the West for waging “information wars” against the Syrian Government (RT, 10 October-9 November).

      In an earlier example of RT’s messaging in support of the Russian Government, during the Georgia-Russia military conflict the channel accused Georgians of killing civilians and organizing a genocide of the Ossetian people. According to Simonyan, when “the Ministry of Defense was at war with Georgia,” RT was “waging an information war against the entire Western world” (Kommersant, 11 July).

      You could just replace RT with BBC couldn’t you?

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  33. MarkyMark says:

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  34. theisland says:

    Littlejohn on the early release of scum Choudary.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6166145/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Anjem-Choudary-genuinely-dangerous-jail.html#comments

    On the same page
    “Carney … is about to become a British citizen, just as we’re supposed to be leaving the EU. He’d previously come here on an Irish passport. If Carney now thinks it’s safe to become British, what does he know about Brexit that he’s not telling us?”

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  35. MarkyMark says:

    “This one will blow your tiny mind Stuie, love. There are no triplets.”

    2020 story … First Mo, Second Mo and Alisha said …. mummy, why are apostates allowed to vote?

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  36. pugnazious says:

    Funny what you forget.

    Trump is the devil incarnate who is tearing up the world order and destroying trade and global prosperity as he renegotiates trade deals….so bad is he that his own staff have to hide trade documents from him so that he won’t do anymore damage! [allegedly…it’s all bollocks by the way]

    What about the BBC’s heroine, could she have been the saviour of world trade?

    The FT didn’t think so as it shows NAFTA is unpopular, signed by Bill Clinton…..

    ‘Hillary Clinton’s awkward history on trade policy……If Donald Trump exposed any policy weakness in Hillary Clinton during an otherwise shaky performance at this week’s first US presidential debate, it was in her position — and history — on trade.

    By tying Mrs Clinton to the unpopular North American Free Trade Agreement, which her husband signed into existence, and a Pacific Rim pact she now opposes but once regularly praised as secretary of state, Mr Trump was targeting the disgruntled blue-collar voters at the heart of his strategy to win the White House. He also came close to rattling her.

    As the Independent tells us NAFTA was much criticised….

    ‘she played a key role the administration of her husband that ratified the much criticised NAFTA. ‘

    Hillary Clinton was at first opposed to NAFTA…

    ‘As he campaigned for the presidency in 1992, Mrs Clinton was among those lobbying Bill Clinton to oppose Nafta.

    But then supported it once it had her old man’s name on it…

    ‘However, Mrs Clinton also then went on to speak glowingly about the deal with Canada and Mexico both as first lady and as a senator from New York. “I think Nafta is proving its worth,” she said in 1996. ‘

    So NAFTA, far from being the fantastic and popular agreement it is portrayed as is in fact highly controversial and unpopular in many corners….which I guess is one reason Trump got elected…to dump or rewrite NAFTA.

    She opposed the TPP…

    ‘Mrs Clinton has grown increasingly unequivocal in opposing the TPP, which was signed by the US, Japan and 10 other countries this year but must still be ratified by Congress.’

    But what else?

    Oh she opposes TTIP, the trade agreement with the EU…..

    ‘Brussels in crisis as Hillary Clinton hints she will KILL OFF hated EU-US trade deal’
    ‘In a strongly worded statement the Democrat front-runner said she would “stop” any agreement that jeopardised American jobs, throwing the entire decades-long negotiation into chaos.

    Pitching to disaffected Bernie Sanders supporters she said free trade deals had been damaging to ordinary US workers in a speech marking a significant policy shift from Barack Obama. ‘

    So Clinton may have been just as likely to upset the trade applecart as Trump…just that the BBC et al would have been applauding her actions whilst they denounce Trump’s.

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  37. MarkyMark says:

    Did all the 48% who voted to stay in the EU watch the State of the (EUROPEAN) Union yesterday? If not, then why not?

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  38. Englands Dreaming says:

    Pat is back! And as usual on the money.

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  39. fakenewswatcher says:

    He may have said it, he may not. I wouldn’t believe anything I read in the Independent. The Independent may be many things, but it’s not independent.

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  40. MarkyMark says:

    Talk about echo chamber …

    1) BBC Jon Sopel is supposed to tell us about the news,
    2) BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter feed has the BBC name in it and says “Jon Sopel, BBC North America Editor. My book If Only They Didn’t Speak English is out now.”.
    3) BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter’s pinned tweet is from 23May2018 and is about .. himself and his book.
    4) Is BBC Jon Sopel’s book 100% BBC approved thought and unbiased and partial?
    5) Shouldn’t BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter be about the latest news and not himself?

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    BBC Complaint: CAS-4906141-BFJQL0: I take offence that presenters promote their books.

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      He’s added a chapter about Trump’s first year in power. I’d say we can guess almost word for word what will be in it. And that it will be very one-sided. Can’t think of a book I’d be less likely to buy.

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      • thirdoption says:

        “……..Can’t think of a book I’d be less likely to buy.”

        ‘What Happened’ by Hillary Clinton

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  41. MarkyMark says:

    “I have a MEME that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all MEMEs are created equal.””
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  42. countryblues says:

    BBC News yesterday : a Bonehead rants at the Rees-Mogglets.

    I was waiting for the report to describe this wonderful human being as ‘Far-Left’…but they missed their chance for some reason. 🙁

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  43. vlad says:

    Poor old Auntie, all her favourite Buddhists are going off-message, first Aung San Suu Kyi, now HH The Dalai Lama.
    Still, at least the idiot Pope wants to let in ever more invaders.

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  44. Tabs says:

    Lee Rigby: Fundraiser Gary Gardner jailed for fraud
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-45522484

    Just 4 sentences about a fraudster being jailed. The only text describing Lee Rigby is “murdered soldier Lee Rigby”.

    Is there a reason the BBC didn’t pad this article out a bit and provide links back to older news about his murder? Or is his death one of those best forgotten about?

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    • thirdoption says:

      Tabs,

      It’s hard to imagine a more upsetting, devastating murder than that of a loyal British Soldier having his head hacked off in broad daylight in the street by Islamic terrorists.

      For the BBC to relegate his murder to the dustbin of history whilst giving continued front page prominence to Stephen Lawrence and Jo Cox is unforgiveable.

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  45. MarkyMark says:

    Impartiality lies at the heart of public service and is the core of the BBC’s commitment to its audiences. It applies to all our output and services – television, radio, online, and in our international services and commercial magazines. We must be inclusive, considering the broad perspective and ensuring the existence of a range of views is appropriately reflected
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality

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    • AsISeeIt says:

      Holding power to account?

      Jon soapy Sopel’s left of centre buddy to buddy pandering ‘exit interview’ with Obama:

      Sopel to Obama, as Obama smiles broadly: “I read every commentator saying this administration is effectively over now… except that you’ve kinda got this deal (Iran), you’ve, er, Cuba diplomatic relations, health care reform embedded, major trade deal with Asia, ‘erm, it’s not a question a journalist often asks, what’s gone right?”

      Both Sopel and Obama laugh.

      I half expected the two of them to high five.

      If you can stomach the sycophancy see here at about 14.20:

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  46. countryblues says:

    BBC QT : the ‘People’s Vote’.

    I know we’ve been here before…but Chris Leslie’s idea of a ‘People’s Vote’ is ludicrous! Surely everyone must know this to be the case?

    1. Accept the Deal.
    2. No Deal.
    3. Remain.

    So, why bother? Option 3 already has 16m+ votes ffs!!!

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    • Beltane says:

      Aside from Julia H-B’s unique and entirely valid comments on Thursday evening, one of the many predictable aspects of QT and the way in which the EU is discussed remains constant.
      Despite providing such fruitful ground for entirely relevant criticism, the fact that the union is close to collapse, both politically and financially, is never mentioned. In sad reality the EU seems constantly regarded as some sort of nirvana, an enviable and perfect state beyond any criticism, not only by any panelist, but also by any member of any audience.
      Yes there will be comments on bullying and arrogance and deliberate obstruction, but when will the true situation ever be discussed? Why does no-one question the reasons behind the rise of ‘far right’ movements? Or the levels of duplicity and double-dealing behind the majority of EU legislation? Or the head-in-sand attitudes of the EU Commission? Or the longer term problems of immigration – let alone what is happening right now, and which again is never discussed or even accepted as a reality?
      Actually, forget QT, that’s simply narrowing the field down. Why are none of the above ever discussed on the BBC?

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      • Guest Who says:

        The BBC operates a 24/7 ‘tell it often enough’ policy, complemented with Brexit by a perverse reversal of reality by operating exclusively on the basis that it was wrong and needs to be reversed.

        Hence programmes, topics, guests, staging and audiences are framed and/or invited from the defensive high ground of this unshakeable conviction, and any seeking to disagree or even debate via the public broadcast airwaves are required to run uphill against more numerous forces to do so.

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    • Banania says:

      Chris Leslie has always been a cockroach.

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  47. MarkyMark says:

    Dear Winston Smith,

    I noticed that Jon Sopel is talking about impartial and unbiased reporting but his twitter account has three references to his book whilst using the BBC brand. Could the BBC please explain what is happening?

    1) Is BBC Jon Sopel supposed to tell us about the news or his new book?

    2) BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter feed has the BBC name in it and says “Jon Sopel, BBC North America Editor. My book If Only They Didn’t Speak English is out now.” which references his book and not the fact he is an unbiased and impartial reporter.

    3) BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter’s pinned tweet is from 23May2018 and is about .. himself and his book.

    4) Is BBC Jon Sopel’s book 100% BBC approved thought and unbiased and partial?

    5) Shouldn’t BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter be about the latest news and not himself?

    6) When Jon Sopel sells a book does it go to help pay for the BBC TV Tax – to reduce it? As the BBC are promoting it – thus it is promoted by the BBC TV Tax Payer.

    “Impartiality lies at the heart of public service and is the core of the BBC’s commitment to its audiences. It applies to all our output and services – television, radio, online, and in our international services and commercial magazines. We must be inclusive, considering the broad perspective and ensuring the existence of a range of views is appropriately reflected”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality

    Good luck answering this one without laughing yourself silly.

    https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints

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  48. Guest Who says:

    BBC News
    5 hrs ·
    Shops in London are selling knives, alcohol and tobacco to children as young as 13.

    No link, but you will never guess what the image that goes with is of?

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