Weekend Open Thread 7 September 2018

Predictably the far Left BBC has embraced the anonymous article about President Trump which claims he has to be undermined from within his own administration . So there is resistance  from Swamp dwellers across the pond in parallel to those frustrating Brexit here . As Mr Rees Mogg MP wrote in an open letter recently – we are hopefully heading for a WTO Brexit from the EU  – not a ‘hard one ‘ and not a ‘no deal ‘ one which is Remainer Speak.There is no requirement for a deal.

Whilst the big stuff is going on the ‘awful personal things ‘ keep going – such as the Huddersfield 31 being prosecuted for alleged organised Pakistani paedophilia today in an English Court . The BBC doesn’t consider this to be worthy of being national news – perhaps it is just normality . You decide.


( I know it’s not the weekend quite yet but there’s a lot of posts).

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437 Responses to Weekend Open Thread 7 September 2018

  1. Dover Sentry says:

    Sunday Times:

    “”Warsaw ghetto vandal to speak at Momentum’s Corbyn festival””


    BBC haven’t mentioned it.


  2. theisland says:

    Starmer still sitting on the fence – which way to jump to keep that potential EU job secure, eh?

    Parliament (I – me, me, me) should decide what happens next but “all options should be on the table.”


  3. Beeb Brother says:

    Five Live has full commentary of the women’s football between Manchester City and Chelsea, who have romped to a scintillating 0-0 draw.

    Can we not accept that on average men and women excel at different things? This is like having single straight men curate a fashion show. (You can always tell if men are single by how badly they are dressed – a woman would not let you go out looking so bad.).


    • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

      Beeb Brother,
      I’m single and although I don’t buy designer clobber I’ve always chosen reasonable looking apparel that fits properly. The ladies always say I wear nice shoes at least..That’s it I’m triggered now and must flounce off in tears to my safe space!


      • Beeb Brother says:

        I am outraged that you have a different opinion to me. You are Beebbrotherphobic and I will be reporting a ‘hate crime incident’ as my feelings have been massacred by your far-right, alt-right extremist Nazi opinion. You must never have a platform to spew such hatred.

        As a single man I alone get to define how we both think as I have appointed myself a ‘community leader.’ Single men are discriminated against on this site as not enough of us post first. All contributors to this site must pay a tax to fund an activist army to rectify this heinous discrimination.


        • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

          I might be willing to come to some sort of agreement like the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. You take the west, I’ll take the east of Poland. Meanwhile together we’ll blitzkrieg Fedup2 into allowing us the number 1 posting spot on alternate weeks. And if people on this site don’t give us 100s of likes for our posts, we’ll ‘ave ’em.


    • RobRoy says:

      Love to know the number of listeners for that match.


    • RJ says:

      “(You can always tell if men are single by how badly they are dressed – a woman would not let you go out looking so bad.).”

      What is ironing?


      • Scroblene says:

        Ironing is for the lower classes, RJ!

        That’s why Waitrose let un-ironed ladies in to get their expensive comestibles and have a rictous grin on all the time!


  4. Fedup2 says:

    The Nigger question . That is the issue in the Dam Busters shown on Film 4 today – Sunday because of the name of Guy Gibson VC’s Black lab dog. ”This film contains language of the era which some may find racially offensive”. Sounds like the lawyers have been at work there.

    In 1955? The N word seemed to just mean “ black “ as in the colour – not a description of a person .

    “ Gay” was once “ happy”
    “Queer” was “strange “ or “unwell”.
    “Vibrant “ was once “bright”

    Chucka telling the comrades to “ call the dogs off” was taken literally by corbyn and co as describing members of the Labour Party behaving like dogs in hunting non comrades for deselection purposes taking the party even further to the left .

    Language seems to be going off on its own adventure – like some fool comparing a suicide vest to the brexit debate .


    • BRISSLES says:

      I think the N word back in the day, was also used for the colour brown. My old Mum used to refer to her nigger brown costume – a two piece skirt and jacket which were fashionable at the time. There was never any malice aforethought when she said it, – it was something like blush pink or baby blue that we say today.


    • Banania says:

      That wouldn’t have got through Disqus. They wouldn’t even allow nigga.


  5. G says:

    Nigel Farage everybody! – on the subject of islam…………

    Remind me what people think about Farage. OOH and, comment on that from a reliable source –


    • theisland says:

      This raises questions doesn’t it.

      Does NF believe what he is saying, or just being ‘diplomatic’ in order to maintain his public profile?

      If the latter, does he want to keep his profile for the purpose of continuing to fight for a clean break from the EU, or to further his own career (or both)?

      If the aim is predominately Brexit, does the end justify the means?

      Or is he just scared?

      Whatever the answer, this interview doesn’t look good.

      Gerard Batten is better on Islam, but both were keen for the straight-talking A M Waters to leave UKIP.


    • Kaiser says:

      sorry nige but at least 50% are not integrated, so your vast majority bollox just wont wash


  6. Fedup2 says:

    The MSM seem less than transparent about when the outcome of the Swedish election will be announced . Turn out – apparently – is traditionally as high as 85% which means s about 6 million votes .

    Whatever the outcome the right wing anti immigration party will be described as a ‘failure ‘ by the far left BBC . The expected 20% vote will be insufficient to influence the national policy and even if it goes to the upper expectation of 25% that will still be described as a failure ….

    However – if a traditional social liberal easy going country like Sweden is shown to have had enough of alien politicians foisting aliens on a placid population maybe even the ReichEU
    Will stop using the term ‘populist’ as a term of abuse and realise that it is a term of ‘democracy ‘ . Tory shits like sir Alan Duncan
    Might also come down from his remainer cloud and realise that the plebs have a view.


    • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

      I presume they’re less than transparent because they know they might need more time to spin the outcome if it goes bad for them.

      I doubt that that the EU will stop and think at all as regards to their attitudes towards deplorables. Nor will their cheerleaders- the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 , Sky and the rest of the herd.

      All progressive institutions seem to have an inbuilt instinct to double down on their crazy demands that everyone agrees that the old order is working just fine. Noticing bad things about the order is criminal.

      Until those institutions are radically reformed, or (much easier) crushed into the dirt, then they will carry on bleating the same old Marxist lines forever.


      • Kaiser says:

        lets not forget 20% of the swedish electorate are not Swedish so the “far right” swedes getting 20%+ of a feasible 80% is becoming a very large percentage of actual swedes, more power to their elbow I say


  7. Guest Who says:

    Not the bbc, but the baked spud filling choices on each floor look like reducing still further to, well, a baked spud.



  8. Guest Who says:

    Da bloc looking iffy, ho.


  9. G.W.F. says:

    What shall we do with the drunken sailor?

    BBC news. Six British sailors get drunk in the US
    My God, who would think it. Sailors getting drunk on shore leave.



    • RJ says:

      If the Navy still issued them with a tot of rum every day they’d be better able to hold their drink.


      • taffman says:

        Al Beeb despise British Forces.
        Such a spiteful story to run with. The activities that were carried out are the normal behaviour that one would find in any city where men get drunk.
        Not as bad as the kind of behaviour you would find in Rotherham that Al Beeb are very reluctant to report.


      • Dover Sentry says:

        I’d worry if Royal Navy sailors on a run ashore didn’t get drunk…

        They always have done since the days of Nelson and before.

        Was anyone raped or robbed? No. And the local bars made a fortune.


  10. Halifax says:

    BBC Breaking news…..

    Sweden’s nationalist anti-immigration party has made gains in the country’s general election as the establishment parties appear deadlocked, exit polls predict.
    The Sweden Democrats (SD) are expected to achieve 19.2% of the vote.


    • Fedup2 says:

      “Far Right defeated In Swedish Election shock “
      Says far left BBC . Third world illegal immigrants welcome in Europe .

      Just a guess at the way the BBC will play it .


  11. Tom_Kenny says:

    Switched on BBC Radio 3 or 4 at about 2pm today. A working class accent was asking a posh accent when there would be more diversity in the arts.


  12. pugnazious says:

    Interesting to see Jon ‘The Beauty’ Sopel asking ‘Are Trump’s enemies proving his conspiracy theories TRUE? ‘ as he ponders [in the Mail not on the BBC] the NYT’s anonymouse supposed hit-job on Trump. Timed coincidentally to be released just as anti-Trump Bob Woodward released his own tract of trash about Trump most of which is unsupported tripe though Sopel is quoting him as if it was irrefutable truth. And why trust Woodward one inch as he released the private recordng of Trump’s hone call with him?

    Sopel asks if the NYT article wasn’t ‘an effort to subvert the President’s agenda and the will of millions of Americans who voted for him.’ [yeah…very obvious it was] and goes onto say…

    ‘My jaw doesn’t drop easily after 20 months of covering the Trump presidency, but it was slack by the time I finished reading the final sentence of this op-ed on the President’s shortcomings.
    This treacherous article concludes with the self-justification that he or she is part of the ‘quiet resistance’ putting ‘country first’. But listen to an alternative argument. The country went to the polls. Nearly 63 million Americans voted for Trump, and by the rules of the electoral college he was the duly elected President.
    Trump said repeatedly during the campaign that there was a ‘deep state’ – powerful, but secret forces at the heart of the establishment ….At the time, I thought it was tendentious in the extreme, designed to show that Trump was the non-politician in the race, the change-maker and people’s tribune taking on the deeply entrenched elites.

    Yet the New York Times article can be seen as the very definition of the deep state.’

    Bizarre that Sopel would have had no idea or thoughts that there is any such thing as a ‘Deep State’. The BBC itself is part of it in Britain seeing its job to do exactly what the NYT’s White House mole claimed he was doing….protecting the country from ‘bad’ people….in the BBC’s case that’d be people on the Right…from Thatcher to Tommy Robinson, not averse to taking its job abroad either…opposing ‘fascists’ from Israel to Trump to Modi to Sweden…curiously a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist who wants to destroy capitalism and who consorts with terrorist of all colours gets a free pass from the BBC guardians.

    Sopel must have surprised himself and is a bit embarrassed with his new-found journalistic urge to report the truth and, after bigging hmself up, suggests ‘Maybe I’ve been watching too much of the political thriller House of Cards on television, but I’ve started thinking conspiratorially about whether the article might have been penned by Trump himself as a means of justifying a crackdown on those around him, while demanding greater, unfettered power in decision-making. ‘

    If you want a much better perspective on the NYT article, unpolluted with Sopel’s personal anti-Trump demons, check this out from a non-anonymous ex-White House staffer and read the reality about the media in the US [Trump still massively popular, relatively, considering 90% of media against him along with the Hollywood hucksters, comedian clowns and antifa academics]

    Why Trump’s Record Trumps the Media’s Spin

    ‘The media is determined to prove that Donald Trump is unfit to be president.

    My first reaction to the anonymous anti-Trump op-ed in the New York Times was perhaps unusual for a resident of the swamp, which has been so hyper this week: I chuckled, rolled my eyes, and didn’t even make it to the end of the article before losing interest.
    Most people outside the swamp either know what the media is up to or just don’t care anymore.

    As someone who has held appointed positions in two Republican administrations including the incumbent one, I fall in the former category. I’m quite familiar with the methods the media uses to get unattributed disgruntled junior staff to convey the agenda it desires, which is what’s happening here.
    Given Anonymous’s citation of foreign policy, veneration of John McCain, and repetition of the banal and disproved trope that Trump prefers dealing with autocrats like Vladimir Putin, I’d guess—and it is only a guess—that the disgruntled author comes from the mid-levels of an agency like the State Department or the ranks of staffers at the National Security Council.
    This deprecated level of bureaucrats is the most likely source of the media’s move against Trump this week. Along with the anti-Trump Bob Woodward book, whose unattributed fictions have already been refuted by on-the-record statements from cabinet officials, the New York Times and yet-to-be uncovered middlemen trotted out this op-ed simultaneously—somewhat suspicious timing. It would have been easy to find a disgruntled appointee or detailee to write something like this, especially when provided anonymity. Any decent political campaign could orchestrate it—and the New York Times is a very decent political campaign.

    The media’s objective was to get the Washington commentariat focused on how Trump, in their estimation, is unfit to be president, and to do so at the beginning of the traditional post-Labor Day home stretch of the campaign season.

    However…The economy hums. Trump keeps us out of foreign entanglements. Wages increase. America’s traditional meritocracy replaces the Democrats’ grievance-based society. Life happens.

    And while the New York Times op-ed was a nice try by the media, they must on some level, deep down, grasp the new reality: no one hears their screams. ‘


  13. Halifax says:

    Battle Of Britain model aircraft on Channel 4 includes BME model aircraft pilots and of course a trans pilot……I really do give up.


    • Fred Stubber says:

      Anyway it’s a really stupid idea for a programme. I always suspected that model plane enthusiasts were just adults who hadn’t grown up. Now I know it. And pretending that they can enact the Battle of Britain in any meaningful way is just ridiculous.


    • StewGreen says:

      Does it bother us that there was a trans ?
      No, but it’s just the weird “non-real” world way the TV corps handle it.
      Minute 3:00 the modellers enter the bunkroom
      Minute 3:01 “oh they see all men” (you think)
      Minute 3:02 “oh hang on ones a woman”
      literally 1 second later
      Minute 3:03 “oh hang on she is obviously a trans”
      surely the whole ffing world has noticed
      but the TV corp just has to plough on with the masquerade
      Minute 3:20 the caption on the screen pops up “Shelley taxi driver”
      Then about minute 6 we are treated to a whole rundown of her hobbies etc. with a scene shot at her home
      FFS The super obvious thing about her is that she’s trans ..and probably got a lot of experience with flying before she transitioned
      but the trans bit is NOT even mentioned
      … instead we get Shelley explaining that people see the woman turn up and get a total surprise when she demonstrates her expertise.
      … The prog makes quite a bit of , the fact that she is the best flyer by far

      Reminds me of the top UK female computer engineer, the co designer of the ARM processor , who of course was not actually born a woman.
      centre of photo
      Actually many many people on Twitter love the show


  14. Halifax says:

    Battle Of Britain model aircraft on Channel 4 includes BME model aircraft pilots and of course a trans pilot……I really do give up.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Ha ha ha ha are there lesbian pilots of a fluid sexual identity flying the Stuka s?

      Female Scottish ‘ comedians ‘ and their wives manning the Heikel 111s?


      • pugnazious says:

        Could have the legless Douglas Bader in the line-up if they wanted diversity…but probably would be too white, too male, too heroic and gung-ho. What will they do with the Dam Busters and the dog called ‘Honky’?

        As Bader said….

        ‘Don’t listen to anyone who tells you that you can’t do this or that. That’s nonsense. Make up your mind, you’ll never use crutches or a stick, then have a go at everything. Go to school, join in all the games you can. Go anywhere you want to. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible.’

        As the BBC would say…

        ‘You’re a victim of imperialist white, male, patriarchal society…fill in this form and we’ll do a programme about you, stir up the SJW Twitter army and start a campaign so that we can have a reason to keep Owen Jones on air when he’s not defending anti-semites and terrorists…oh…hang on, what’s this? You voted Tory in 2017?!!! Fuck off you legless c**t!!!’


      • Navets says:

        Silly Fokkers!


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  16. pugnazious says:

    Gotta laugh at Kuenssberg’s dogged attempts over the years to get the scoop on a Boris leadership bid….even his divorce was apparently so motivated.
    Hardly a thing Boris does is not attributed to such a fantasy leadership bid by Kuenssberg…one day maybe she will be right….oh look, that day has come and here’s her scoop hot off the press…..

    ‘Boris has declared he is resigning from the Tory Party in order to join Labour and has also announced that he is having a sex change so that he can marry Jeremy Corbyn who has converted to Islam and is looking forward to having four wives of all colours, creeds and genders to demonstrate his commitment to diversity and equality.

    First though Boris has signed up for a NASA experimental flight to Mars. This will take twenty years and there is no guarantee of a safe return as NASA has not as yet been able to develop a delivery system capable of completing a return journey. They hope that in the twenty years it takes to reach Mars they can complete the development work and return Boris safely to the bosom of the Labour Party and Corbyn’s warm embrace.

    Is this in reality a sign that Boris is making a bid for the Tory leadership?’


  17. Fedup2 says:

    Sweden vote according to the guardian

    Centre left 40%
    Centre right 40%
    Social Dems 19%

    So by accumulating a lot of different parties under one badge the Guardian makes the anti immigration party 3rd and not 2nd …..