Start the Week Open Thread 20 August 2018

Every so often the Far Left claims that the BBC has ‘Right Wing Bias’ but never follows up with clear evidence of that assertion .

But as a Twitter follower I notice more and more beeboids expressing politic views ( always anti brexit and always pro Left) but stating the views are not those of the BBC .

So if these employees of the BBC can use their position to influence others on Social Media – how does the BBC claim to be neutral ?

It’s time to make a new list of these people who use tax payers money to further personal views .





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716 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 20 August 2018

  1. G says:

    Jihadi’s of British origin found in Iraq will be hanged –
    “That’s why we, as Iraqis, if we are tough in sentencing these people, they will think thoroughly before taking any action.”
    That is precisely the point. Do we reject prisons and what they stand for? No. So why did Messrs. Bliar and Bush decide to open up the prison that was the MIddle East and allow all the prisoners to run riot and invade Europe? Why did naivety rule?
    Anybody that has spent any time in the Middle East knows that the likes of Saddam in Iraq and Gadaffi et al. kept the lid on the RoP savages that call the Middle East, ‘home’. ‘Releasing’ all the ‘prisoners’ has resulted in the monumental changes in our lives and the further deterioration yet to come. Unless, of course, the evil woman shown in MM’s contribution above completely changes tack and becomes like Saddam/Gadaffi. Perhaps we are on our way to that……… ‘Hate Speech’ anyone?


  2. Roland Deschain says:

    More Katty.

    There’s a clear, but unsaid disbelief that this could be true. Showing, in all its glory, the massive disconnect between the BBC and vast swathes of the population.


  3. KafirHarbi says:

    Obviously, anyone with a shred of common sense will see through the whole ‘people’s vote’ charade along with its three answer options – ‘Brexit, ‘Soft Brexit (not really leave) and ‘Remain – that conveniently splits the ‘leave’ vote and would therefore rig a remain win.

    However, what surprises me is the timing aspect. Let’s imagine for a moment that the Scottish independence vote was a win for ‘Yes’. Now imagine that well before independence actually happened, Scots were told by the ‘No’ contingent: “OK, we’ve had quite enough of independence – we think people have changed their mind – we need another vote”. I imagine they would be laughed out of politics.

    By the same token it is worth remembering that we had a vote on going in. Leaving aside the obvious logic that we got something very different to what we voted for – it took a while for us to actually enter the Common Market. I don’t remember the ‘remain (out) campaigners having campaigned for a ‘people’s vote’ between the referendum and Britain joining the common market.

    “Remainers – you sore losers – we haven’t yet had what we voted for. How can we already want something else?!”


    • StewGreen says:



    • Nibor says:

      The referendum should be
      Hard Brexit , Soft Brexit , and Abolition of the UK .


    • Up2snuff says:

      Don’t think it can be done. At least not in time for March 2019.

      Any Constitutional experts on here? We could do with a modern-day Norman St John Stevas.

      I think the Supreme Court ruling could only be overturned by the Queen proroguing Parliament if, firstly, HM agreed to be petitioned by Remainers and then acceded to their request. Two opportunities to turn them down and I think the second one would receive a polite and gracious royal ‘No’ even if the Remoaners were actually granted a hearing.

      It is worth bearing in mind that the PM will have discussed the content of ‘The Chequers Plan’ with the Queen, possibly or probably for some time, on a weekly basis at their meetings prior to that Cabinet meeting at Chequers. The Queen will be very well-informed on what is going on.

      Parliament has the final say in the second half of October or at the beginning of November. How about the 5th November?

      How appropriate, that latter possibility.

      Thank you Gina Miller and others.


  4. StewGreen says:

    R4 4pm a tribute to Spike Lee.
    And his latest award-winning film, BlacKkKlansman,

    R4 11am The plight of Jamaicans who went back from UK for an extended holiday , but then found they didn’t have the correct documents to get back into the UK.


    • Roland Deschain says:

      11:30 am

      The trauma of finally being allowed into the UK only to find people were eating jerk chicken.


  5. StewGreen says:

    “Container ship to break the ice on Russian Arctic route”

    Pillock’s, it not a mere container ship, it’s an ICEBREAKER class container ship.


  6. StewGreen says:

    BBC Radio 4 is not very good with its own schedule.
    The official prog schedules does NOT say what today’s Inside Science… And Briefing room are about
    … I had to look on Twitter
    \\ Greece has exited its bailout programme, but is it out of the woods?
    Join @DAaronovitch on The Briefing Room tonight on @BBCRadio4 at 8pm //


  7. StewGreen says:

    Over 80% of UK population increase due to immigration, according to report
    by Westmonster


  8. StewGreen says:

    EU tariff on US cars is 10%
    US tariff on EU cars is 2.5%

    … But media shout that it’s the Americans who are the nasty protectionists.


  9. Dave666 says:

    BBc news 18:00 Project fear continues, I’m going to feed the cats. Will feeding my cats change under a no deal BREXIT?


    • gb123 says:

      If your cat is anything like one I used to have. Borders (ie neighbours garden) mean nothing. EU rules to cats will get the wtf is wrong with you I can pee where I want when I want look and off I go.


    • Heyho says:

      Anyone remember Year 2000?

      Planes were going to drop out of the sky. Trains would be grounded.
      Cash machines wouldn’t work. Possibly nuclear reactors would implode.

      Then on Jan 1 2000 there was NOTHING. No issues at all.

      This is the sort of stuff MSM were scaring us with then and it’s still doing it now. We survived before the EU and we will survive after, just don’t believe everything you read and hear especially from BBC and Guardian. In fact if you think the opposite to what the BBC is preaching, you’ll be closer to the facts!


  10. Nibor says:

    Lately the BBC has been interviewing and quoting people from the Road Haulage Association , the RHA.
    I know this organisation and the even worse Freight Transport Association , FTA .
    Both organisations are probably like most other trade bodies in the UK , which in the main means that there is an admin class that runs it , a class of people that have never even driven a lorry , never mind run a business based on vehicles .
    For years they tended to fight battles that were almost irrelevant to the members that they purported to represent . There were lovely lunches with senior civil servants , and on the basis that they’d mentioned a subject to those cretins felt they’d done a good job .
    For years their literature was always the same . Photos of the dinners and conferences inexplicably in foreign locations , and three or four pages of the merchandise you could buy with the logo on it .

    Now that we hardly have an international road transport industry the Beeb feels it’s necessary to bring their voice into the fray . Why not sooner , like twenty years ago , when British trucks actually went abroad ?
    Because it would have shown the EU and the Department of Transport in a very bad light . The Department against Transport because they are indolent traitorous [email protected]$t ,ds and the EU as a project to which this country was unsuited for .


    • Fedup2 says:

      As a non combatant in this area – I hate the idea of foreign lorries using british roads and facilities with little tax applied to them – which I’m sure can be changed after we get border control again .
      I’m guessing that al beeb doesn’t find any glamour in this subject so we won’t hear of any of what you say on their output – unless they can put an ethnic spin on it , get baking involved or do a thing on why don’t more wimmin drive lorries.

      I actually think people are fed up with project fear , fed up with politicians kicking brexit about and really just want to get something done . Just a view …


  11. Thoughtful says:

    I see Corbyn is attempting to Bribe the BBC – which will obviously work, by taking so called tech companies, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter etc.

    Now what will those far left companies do? They are pissed at this because they’ve all said they are, but will it be enough for them to turn their guns on Corbyn and take away their support.

    Many more young people are Labour voters than Tory, and the don’t watch the nonsense of the BBC, but they do heavily engage with the tech companies.

    Corbyn also proposes that BBC ‘creatives’ state their class, which led to a jaw dropping claim by some uni professor who claimed to be working class, despite every indication to the contrary !


  12. Geoff says:

    BBC Points West concentrating on ethnic students and their O Level results.

    One only arriving a couple of years ago, a well suntanned ‘Italian’ with no English gets a top grade in that very subject, all I can say is that these fucking exams must be piss easy compared to the ones I took all those years ago.


    • thirdoption says:

      “…….all I can say is that these fucking exams must be piss easy compared to the ones I took all those years ago.”

      There were some examples of this year’s maths GCSE questions in the papers this morning.

      One of them asked what 3/2 was when written as a decimal.

      The next started talking about some pencils that Nadia had bought, which was enough for me.


    • BRISSLES says:

      Geoff, in the days when you and I sat GCE’s you had to be a near bloody genius to get grades good enough to go to Yuni. I was in the A stream all through my senior school with good exam results, but not good enough for higher education – I had to settle for night school to get further qualifications. With those same results today I think I would be at Professor level !!!! (bit of an exaggeration but you get my drift); AND we had a greater awareness of ‘general knowledge’, something sadly lacking in the past couple of generations.

      I’ve been watching the ‘celebrity’ Eggheads – today it was sports journalists, well one would think with all the degrees flying about, they’d be a bit more savvy on general knowledge, clearly not. Me, without the benefit of academia, answered far more questions than that lot.

      On the subject of Eggheads, its telling that most of the team are ‘of an age’, so are my assertions correct I wonder, that us who were taught decades ago absorbed a broader range of information, or perhaps we just read more.


      • taffman says:

        Too many going to Yooni, then taking time out going travelling. They don’t start gainful employment until they near the age of thirty. That’s why there are queues of foreign workers lining up to come in to the UK to get employed as nurses, plumbers, electricians, bricklayers etc, etc.


      • Demon says:

        We ought to get a team from on here to challenge on Eggheads. We’d have to think of a subtle team name like Backing Boris’s Britishers Collective.


  13. Alicia Sinclair says:

    Brexit and Trump-cult worship of Corbyn and his NHS-as well as incessantly hammering anybody outside the cartels, cronies and syndicates. In other words, public sector, sweetheart trained bureaucracies and fat cat CEOs and their reps -only they get to moan on about “The Peoples Princess Vote in the Counting House of the Publics Opinion”…mix, mash and match your words, it`s all twaddle.

    Anybody can see what they` re up to, it all depends on whether we`ll let the liberal tanks roll us over, of if we`ll deal with them, as they need to be dealt with.
    Islam is watching-they can pick the liberal ticks off, but they want to see if we`re bothered enough for our kids and future, as they intend to mould them for theirs.

    Starmer, Cable, Adonis-how do these eunuchs get to talk about anything? Why do we let them?


  14. Guest Who says:



  15. StewGreen says:

    LBC : Lord Green is on Farage’s show talking about the new report on immigration
    82% of popn increase due to it


    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew – I don’t think al beeb let Lord Green on their programmes any more because he frightened them by telling the truth and managing to avoid easy accusations of racism or their other favourite ‘ little Englander ‘ – which I am. ( although currently very tall and overweight )


  16. Fedup2 says:

    Something like ‘keep calm and carry on ‘ still seem to be wise words …


  17. Guest Who says:

    Either the BBC are masochists, or have a VERY limited guest pool.

    Or, more likely, both.


    • Guest Who says:

      They do seem to like the cut of his jib. For some reason.


  18. Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

    The bBBC can’t find space to tell us the news of yet another Grenfell Tower liar.
    A homeless man admitted to lying about losing his home in the Grenfell fire and claiming more than £40,000 in hotel costs and room service.

    Derrick Peters also lied to a judge about being involved in the tragedy and asking for leniency after burgling a flat.

    The 58-year-old became the tenth person to be charged with falsely claiming benefits given to those caught up in the Grenfell disaster in July.

    He claimed to have been living in the 24-story block with his friend Steve Power at the time of the deadly blaze, which left 72 people dead, but had no links to Grenfell.

    As a result he was put up at the Park Grand Hotel in Kensington from June 28 to January 2018.


    • thirdoption says:

      Ten criminals pretending to be victims and all of them given shed loads of money because the authorities actually believed they had lived at Grenfell.

      Tells you all you need to know about the sort of people that did live there.


  19. taffman says:

    Al Beeb tells us that Arron Banks application to join the Conservatives has been turned down. What are the Tories afraid of ?


  20. Fedup2 says:

    Answer – conservatives


  21. taffman says:

    Consider this scenario, Al Beeb .
    During World War 2 – had Germany threatened us that if we won the war we would be poorer, would our parents and grandparents have surrendered ?


  22. taffman says:

    Al Beeb warns us that…………….. “Britons visiting the EU could also face extra credit card charges.”
    They have shot themselves in the foot, because if visitor numbers to the EU drop, it is the EU that will suffer much more than the UK.


    • Guest Who says:

      Without the word ‘could’, bbc editorial would have to substantiate stuff.


  23. StewGreen says:

    Go on Jon Sopel show how mature & sophisticated you are
    .. justify your £250K licence payer salary.


    • Guest Who says:

      Well, there is always Katty to take up the slack, whose skill set appears to be finding Trump-negative quotes and retweeting them.


  24. Guest Who says:

    Given the seriousness of claims and reality, the backwaters of debate on this topic are flat out barking.


  25. StewGreen says:

    KTHopkins just tweeted she has a 1 hour TR interview coming


  26. gb123 says:

    Slightly off topic. This is what late night TV presenters used to be like before they were “replaced”.


  27. Guest Who says:

    Stand by, a charity has sent the bbc a press release claiming something…


    • Tabs says:

      When the BBC promote what certain charities or professors say it’s worth a bit of digging to expose the hypocrisy. This article mentions ‘The Young Women’s Trust’ a charity that describes itself as Young Women’s Trust supports and represents women aged 16-30 struggling to live on low or no pay in England and Wales and who are at risk of being trapped in poverty.

      A quick look at the “charity’s” last accounts

      Click to access 0000217868_AC_20170331_E_C.PDF

      It shows:
      1. the Chief Executive salary was £85,32
      2. Trainees will be paid an hourly rate no less than the London Living Wage as published and varied from time to time by the Living Wage Foundation.
      3. The differential between the highest and lowest paid employee shall be no more than 5 times the lowest salary.

      So this “charity” which supports low paid women pays its women trainees a shite wage. Obviously the max differential of 5 times salary between lowest and highest salary doesn’t apply to trainees or CEOs so it is a bit of virtual signalling.

      Someone please remind, what does the word “charity” mean again? Shouldn’t it be changed to “lobbying” instead?


      • StewGreen says:

        @Tabs is your maths OK there ?
        “The London Living Wage rate is £10.20 per hour and the rate for the rest of the UK is £8.75 per hour.”
        say £400/week
        The exec is on £85K ..= £1635/week = £41/hour
        So that is only 4 times the trainee wage
        £10 an hour is NOT “a shite wage”

        BTW raw wage is not what counts have to compare full benefits including pension and perks

        I reckon I travel the world on £10/day
        (simple no possession living)


  28. StewGreen says:

    Wind Bird impacts : local news prog BBC Look North Hull basically had an advert for Orsted Windfarm corporation
    Presenter..”Do wind turbines affect birds ?
    “Here we in a helicopter near the Orsted windfarm 17 miles off Skegness
    ..the helicopter has a super-resolution camera”

    “Now we are here in Stockport with the ornithology experts”
    .. Expert : ‘Of course wind farms are nowhere the near the most important factor influencing numbers, but we have to check’

    cut to Orsted voice “We are finding that the numbers are lower than we expected”
    (#1 How do she know the numbers are lower when the study has just begun ?
    #2 did she start with high expectations?)

    There were no hard questions, not exactly tough investigative journalism.

    Actually Orsted put out a PR piece in June
    So it’s strange that the Look North piece is claiming to be news on the grounds that the study has just started.


  29. Dover Sentry says:

    Has the BBC said anything positive about Trump? They said lots of positive things about Obama and still do.

    Has the BBC said anything positive about Brexit?

    ( …..listen… I hear the sound of tumbleweed… ).


  30. Nibor says:

    In Re the latest Corbyn attack on free speech on the Internet .

    So the Beeb won’t ask

    Should an organisation that pays no tax support schemes that make other organisations pay tax to support it ?


  31. taffman says:

    Has Hammond nailed his ‘Remainer’ colours to the mast ?
    Is he after the PM’s job ?
    Is the Cabinate is full of Remainers? It is evident that the Tory party needs leadership.
    Watch the Al Beeb space.


  32. flake says:

    Newsnight ending tonight with the Time montage thingy


  33. taffman says:

    I have not seen anything about Rees Mogg recently on Al Beeb’s news page. Have they marginalised him ?


  34. pugnazious says:

    Everyday in everyway the BBC reveals its true colours.

    We had Robinson start the week with a claim that a G4S run prison in Birmingham ‘showed that privately run prisons don’t work’…never mind a G4S prison had just been highly praised by HMIP and that the prison minister had promised to resign if 10 of the worst prisons didn’t improve….all run by public sector.

    Next day Justin Webb claimed Remainer MP Sarah Woolaston was right and that because things had changed, people now understood how bad Brexit would be for them, we needed a ‘people’s vote’. Er…absolutely nothing’s changed…the most dire warnings and predictions were made by Remain in the referendum and people still voted Leave…they were fully aware of these alarmist warnings so nothing’s changed.

    Next day we had Jon Sopel tell us that the charges against Cohen/Manafort were ‘not political but the rule of law’….complete bollocks, the investigations against them were entirely political and aimed at taking down Trump. Note that Cohen’s lawyer has now admitted that Cohen has no evidence that shows Trump told him to do anything….kind of pulls the rug from the BBC’s et al’s narrative that Cohen’s claims were the death knell for Trump.

    Today we have the government’s continuation of ‘Project Fear’ with the publication of the No-Deal warnings….the BBC insisted that this was not Project Fear but a clever manoeuvre to put pressure on the negotiations. This narrative was instantly undermined by Remainer Hammond coming out and saying a No-Deal would be ruinous for the economy and thus could not be contemplated….indicating to Brussels that No-Deal was not a threat worth taking into account as the government would not really dare go there. May’s real intention in publishing these warnings is exactly that…to scare off the public from wanting a No-Deal and to thus accept whatever half-baked surrender she has cooked up with Brussels that suits Remain far more than Leave.

    Not a good week for the BBC’s finest journalists and their analysis of what’s going on in the world…all too often led by their own prejudice and bigotry than a desire to bring us the facts and the truth.


  35. Annunaki says:

    Periods and football: Meet the fans campaigning for free sanitary products at stadiums
    bbc sport ffs you could not make it up …


  36. Annunaki says:

    BBC thought it appropriate to ask how much it cost to police the Trump visit for some bizarre reason, well as our annual efnick crime fest approaches can we expect the same ???

    “Metal-detecting knife arches are to be installed for the first time in parts of west London for this weekend’s Notting Hill Carnival.

    The move comes as the highest number of police officers in six years will also be called up for the event. 13.000”

    How much are taxpayers shelling out to allow our efick friends to run amok each year? surely a more appropriate question for our national broadcaster to be asking ? if not, why not ?

    And maybe an analysis of the number of crimes and arrests at Notting Hill compared to a rock concert such as Knebworth with 125,000 attending (and I mean rock concert not the diluted hip hop dross they put on now) ?

    And I can assure you the result of that would be of sociological / cultural significance…


  37. Annunaki says:

    Oasis at Knebworth for example, 250,000 over two days, “There were only 10 arrests over the two days,”

    Notting Hill carnival 2016 : more than 450 people were detained across the two days of festivities. 14 arrests for sexual offences were also carried out, 37 public order arrests and 17 common assault arrests.

    Officers seized a number of knives, batons, CS spray and a hammer. Twenty-eight officers were injured across both days, while 17 arrests were made for assault on police, the Met said.
    Carnival 2017 : Three people were injured when an acidic liquid was thrown over a crowd near Ladbroke Grove on Sunday evening.


  38. Annunaki says:

    2016: The Metropolitan police federation has called for a full review of the Notting Hill carnival after saying 43 officers were injured and eight taken to hospital, and a record number of people were arrested.

    Ken Marsh, the chair of the MPF, which represents rank and file officers, said police “dread” having to work at the carnival, the world’s second-biggest street party, where an “unacceptable” number of officers were being attacked.

    “This is not a peaceful and fun-loving event that our members look forward to policing. They dread it,” he said.

    “A seemingly growing number of people appear intent on hijacking this carnival and turning it into a bank holiday battleground, and an excuse for using our members as professional punchbags.

    “Last year, we had an officer stabbed. This year, colleagues were assaulted, abused and spat at. Forty-three were injured, with eight needing hospital treatment. It’s completely and utterly unacceptable.”