Start the Week Open Thread 30 July 2018

Farewell to our last July in the ReichEU .

The Albeeb and other main stream media is in full biased flow over brexit and other issues . Please report them here

( can some one do the link to the previous thread please ) ta

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623 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 30 July 2018

  1. Guest Who says:

    This chap crops up a fair bit, and has invoked the bbc.

    https://order-order.com/2018/07/30/jolyon-maugham-on-anonymous-donors-then-and-now/

    Be interesting what editorial integrity the bbc cranks up in response.

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  2. theisland says:

    Are the Beeb reporting this?

    https://brexitcentral.com/chequers-plan-still-leave-uk-judges-subservient-ecj/

    Martin Howe, Chairman of Lawyers for Britain: How the Chequers plan would still leave UK judges subservient to the ECJ

    “… the courts of the United Kingdom will be required to “pay due regard” to rulings of the ECJ. This is quite different from the normal principle of international judicial comity, under which courts of treaty parties will look at each others’ judgments with mutual respect. The obligation is not mutual, but is in one direction only, making the UK courts explicitly subservient to the ECJ. There is no suggestion that EU courts should pay “due regard”, or any regard at all, to UK courts, immediately unbalancing the relationship and placing UK courts in an inferior position.”

    Starmer will be pleased – I wonder if he is currently looking at Luxembourg properties.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Island

      Interpretation of ‘ due regard’ would make lawyers even wealthier – but let’s hope the white paper is shredded by the ReichEU and the majority get what we voted for ..

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    • deegee says:

      You have to wonder what due regard actually means. Precedent in the English system has always meant English judgements are followed first, then other British and Commonwealth judgements, followed by judgements from other Common Law countries such as the United States and only then by judgements from other systems e.g. France, Arabia or China. A non Common Law judgement would only have limited persuasive effect and certainly wouldn’t be binding on an English judge.

      Has that been reversed and now Civil Law has to be followed?

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  3. Beeb Brother says:

    I have followed BBC news on Twitter and it is such dross: Rooney scored a goal; someone got a tattoo; Love Island gossip.

    With all the terror last year, gang violence et cetera one might expect our national broadcaster to be have all hands on deck – exhibit ultra vigilance to try and save lives and rescue our nation.

    I imagine their producers giving inverted Churchillian speeches.

    “We shall surrender on the streets! We shall surrender in the skies! In our news, culture and education we shall utterly surrender! We shall never fight except against those who notice the elephants in the room!”

    Who watches the watchmen? When the national broadcaster whom we are supposed to trust for information has betrayed us so absolutely we enter 1984 territory.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      Sport, tattoos, Love Island…….. and the age of the News Editor in charge is ? well, I’d hazard a guess he’s a work experience 18 year old, and those in overall responsibility being around 25. About right for the intellectually sub-normal who rely on Twatter for their news – – – – isn’t that right Lineker ?

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      • Alicia Sinclair says:

        AND-Jane Garvey led with “Love island” on her Womans Hour this morning.
        Apparently, we`re all talking of nothing else-and those of us who pretend not to just love it, are still desperately happy to have our daughters and grandkids gossiping on about it, over the washing line or at the water cooler.
        Dream on Garvey and the Beeb-nobody is bothering with you, even with the turn in the weather.
        If the BBC say it`s a trend-it will long have left the port and sailed away.
        After Cliff and Lineker-you`d have to be a pretty low kind of dotard to bother listening or watching them.
        They are desperate to have us click or converse about their agendas. All contrived, meaning nothing in real life.
        I`m focused only on leaving next year-we can settle with the treacherous class after that.
        Why would anybody shack up with Adrian Childs? Maybe WH will do something on plain scousers settling for a spud faced faceache.

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  4. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Part and parcel London
    Terrifying moment hooded knife gang raid family home and ‘threaten to kidnap baby’

    They is black innt. You can see their hands.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/terrifying-moment-hooded-knife-gang-raid-family-home-and-threaten-to-kidnap-baby-a3899186.html

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    • smoogie7 says:

      Had a laugh at the last one falling down the stairs. Shame the owners did not get to throw something at them!

      At least one white guy though, he was the one trying to hide his face. Might be quite easy to pick him out!

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  5. StewGreen says:

    Quick link back to previous thread Page 4 had posts from 2pm Sunday to 2pm Monday

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  6. Eddy Booth says:

    Problem for the BBC: being hilariously out diversified by the ”far right”
    The UK’s new Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt, whoever he is , is on an official visit to China, he has a Chinese wife…
    Just like Donald Trump’s visit and his 5 year old Granddaughter Arabella Singing in Chinese.
    So how are the miserable BBC going to spin it?

    2018-07-30-28728-h-giapvneza-h-syzygos-toy-bretanoy-ypej.jpg
    Jeremy Hunt gaffe: ‘My wife is Japanese’

    ”The UK’s new Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt is on an official visit to China – but an embarrassing gaffe is stealing the headlines instead.

    Mr Hunt tried to get into his host’s good books by mentioning that his wife is Chinese – but called her “Japanese” instead.

    He quickly corrected himself and those at the meeting laughed it off.
    But the gaffe is making headlines and, as Mr Hunt himself says, it’s a “terrible mistake to make”.
    Lucia Guo was born in Xian in central China. She and Mr Hunt met in 2008, when she was working at Warwick University. They have three children.”

    Making headlines where?
    At the bbc and the guardian?

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    • Flexdream says:

      As per usual, the BBC isn’t concerned at all that he’s visiting the most populous dictatorship in history with a dictator for life, and a ruling communist party responsible for the death of literally millions of it’s people. But at least the Chinese government doesn’t tweet – which is the main thing.

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      It was hilarious how white the marches were against Trump’s racism.

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    • Guest Who says:

      The kindergarten creches that pass for editorial offices throughout the MSM are trying to gaffe this to the max. Where comments are allowed in response, they are almost universally panned, bar some die-hard union nurses with an obsessive fixation akin to that of Jon, Paul, George, Ringo, Anthony and Katty for POTUS.

      It was a minor slip, laughed off by all around the table. As anyone outside the media bubble is doing at them.

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    • Payne by name says:

      This one really is pathetic isn’t it?

      It’s like the Beeb have to output a certain amouny of content because is really scraping the barrel.

      Okay people might not like the guy but he made a verbal error which he immediately corrected. He’s also taking about his own wife so clearly meant no offense. Yet in the absolute desperation to find offense, they have to put together a multi point article citing all the ways that it has, and if it hasn’t could, generate an international incident.

      What a bunch of unlikeable, miserable finger wagging ‘told you so’s’.

      If it’s not politcal sermons from Kuennsberg on how you should actually digest the article you just watched or blatant fake news, it’s this kind of crap.

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    • Eddy Booth says:

      I forgot to add the link to ‘Jeremy Hunt gaffe’ above
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-45004765

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Following this unimportant Hunt gaffe (shades of Trump would/wouldn’t) I fully expect the BBC to absentmindedly put up an article on the web-site or do a programme on the problems of jet lag.

      Give it about a week.

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    • Chalkywhite says:

      Not exactly ‘News’ is it? It’s been on the front page all day (why? Is there nothing else happening in the world today?). But because he’s in the cabinet, the Beeb will run and run with it. Anything to try and force a resignation, and hence try and bring down the government. I’m paying for this cr*p, whether I like it or not. Any more news on the Cliff Richard fine? Nope, I’m paying for that as well! Back to the former, what exactly is the definition of fake news? Surely this qualifies? Something nobody (anybody?) is interested in?? I’m sure the ‘BBC Reality Team’ are beavering away in the background trying to pull together some ‘facts’ to amaze us with. China is close to Japan or something equally mind blowing. Jeez. Back to love island I suppose. Maybe if they sent some thespians there it would be called ‘luvvies island?

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Has Fran Unsworth resigned yet?

        If the BBC wish to hound a politician into resigning, I think Stephen Kinnock MP is now in pole position on that particular grid.

        I wonder …….

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      • G says:

        Cw,
        “… Is there nothing else happening in the world today?)”. Nothing the BBC would want you to know about. Censorship.

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  7. StewGreen says:

    Tonight’s Police & Media priority
    Some nasty people the ‘Men of Bridlington” have pulled down the police Rainbow flag
    … and sent an email!
    .. Police are being pulled off investigating London stabbings and terrorism

    @Humberbeat Police are flying the #Pride flag as they investigate “venomous” and “bigoted” anti-LGBT email sent to the Chief Constable, Police & Crime Commissioner and various media organisations signed from “Men of #Bridlington”.
    More on @itvcalendar at 6. pic.twitter.com/oSGfQhkwOT
    — Michael Billington (@mbillingtonitv) July 30, 2018

    A group calling itself the "Men of Bridlington" has cut down a rainbow flag which had been flying outside a police stationhttps://t.co/lBJSTH6HhE
    — BBC News England (@BBCEngland) July 30, 2018

    Sent an email, so what ? What happened to Voltaire ?

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    • Eddy Booth says:

      Perhaps the wind reclaimed the rainbow for nature.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Those who think rainbows are best seen in the sky during rainstorms might want to give shopping at Sainsbury and Argos a miss:
      http://argos.careers/lgbta
      It is not certain how much of this gets approval from the Qatar Investment Authority, which as of February 2018 owned 21.99% of the company. Homosexuality, the promotion of LGBT rights and same-sex marriage are illegal in Qatar. Sainsbury and Argos LGBT ‘colleagues’ planning on attending the 2022 World Cup in Qatar might want to think twice.

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    • GRIM REAPER says:

      No ‘real’ men in that Police Station, that’s for sure…nor in the BBC.

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  8. Holly Selassie says:

    Looks like I`m in the top half of the table-maybe top 10 if i`m quick.

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  9. Doublethinker says:

    I urge all who can to listen to last weeks Delingpole podcast on Breitbart. He interviews Ezra Levante the Canadian founder of Rebel Media and friend of Tommy Robinson. Mr L goes into great detail about how TR has been targetted by the deep state and the tactics that they employed to persecute and jail Tommy. He raises all the questions that we have shared on this site about why was Tommy convicted in a drum head trial and why was he moved fromthe comparative safety of Hull prison to Onley which is full of Islamic fanatics where he has to held in solitary for his own safety. He cites numerous other instances where he demonstrates that Britain is a police state where no dissent from the approved ‘lets all bow down before Islam’ policy is permitted.
    It is a chilling interview and confirms all that we feared was happening andhow far down the road of Islamification we are.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Interesting why are non-lib sites routines demonetised by Youtube etc ?
      Eminem is allowed to spout hate and violence against Trump..that’s OK
      But The Rebel Media’s comment pieces are not OK ?

      Google says it’s like a telephone company
      but then it censors clients by political views
      Well that means it is a publisher and therefore publishing laws should apply it.

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      • StewGreen says:

        The MP asks “The judge mentioned a TR video” why have these videos not been banned ?
        .. If the judge wanted the video banned it is SHE who could have put in a request ..it is not up to Youtube to keep an eye on the newspapers and make guesses

        Ezra points out they only ask about Tommy ..who gives legal unbanned views
        They don’t in the vid (fullversion from RedPill) make any questions about real terrorism, except for a brief mention of National Action
        Why ?
        Cos the MP’s are interested in real issues
        ..they are interested in Virtue Signalling.
        Oh I see @theisland posted the Delingpole , link that I forgot to

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    • theisland says:

      Dt
      Yes I agree – 1hr 10mins well spent.
      Ezra speaks clearly about what is happening.
      https://www.breitbart.com/podcasts/james-delingpole/

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    • StewGreen says:

      Meanwhile unlike TR, a comedian has just called for violence

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    • john in cheshire says:

      Tomorrow is the end of the month and Tommy’s effing judges said they’d try their best to give their decision before the end of July. Does that mean these cruel bastards are leaving their decision until a minute before midnight tomorrow. Or are they so full of hatred for the man that they are going to delay his release to some unspecified future date? If he actually escapes with his life.

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      • john in cheshire says:

        I forgot, I should have prefaced the above with:
        ” England’s No. 1 political prisoner”

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        • theisland says:

          According to Ezra the verdict is due tomorrow OR Wednesday.
          https://www.therebel.media/tommy-trial

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          • theisland says:

            TR update
            Ezra Levant retweeted:

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            • Fedup2 says:

              Island
              I’m guessing the decision by the LCJ will not be published “for legal reasons “ and the punishment of TR will not be made public. I wonder is the Lord Chief Justice will be as quick in delivering his ruling as the C… who banged up TR in the first place .
              Judges protect their own so they’ll close ranks .

              I really hope it gets the foreign media coverage it deserves because the domestic msm serves a different master as we know ,….

              More generally _ the use of “ for legal reasons. “ is becoming commonplace . The guardian reports some Bangladeshi third world couple being sent to prison today for doing something horrible to their daughter , even after conviction the judge refuses to disclose identities -guessit must Mohammed Islam or similar .

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      • G says:

        John,
        ‘Fraid it is the so-called, “Separation of Powers” gone wonky. They are being instructed from above…………….

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    • Banania says:

      I second that; it is unmissable. I listened to it twice. It is by far the best analysis of the Tommy Robinson phenomenon I have come across. Levant also comments in detail on the extraordinary Naz Shah/ Yvette Cooper video (linked by another commenter) where they exhibit their hysterical obsession with TR.

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    • Payne by name says:

      Thanks for the nod, I’ll check this out soon.

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  10. StewGreen says:

    (repost) House of Commons DCMS Committee report on FakeNews
    it is entirely predictable they would reach for Prof Lew an expert on “conspiracy theorists”, who just happens to be a big conspiracy theorist about people who have different opinions from him eg he speaks about ‘Climate deniers funded by big oil’
    So ClipScep Blog are in a position to analyse his submissions
    https://cliscep.com/2018/07/30/lewandowsky-parliament-and-the-gloucestershire-village-idiot
    There are open comments of course

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      I remember a few years ago, Lewandowsky was on BBC Radio 4: All in the Mind: Tackling Climate Change with Psychology: He seemed to want to put Atmospheric Physicists and Solar Astronomers in the loony bin, if they disagreed with him on matters of Climate Science. He also appeared on Laurie Tailors “Thinking Allowed”.

      Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, Chair in Cognitive Psychology at the University of Bristol, believes that Climate scientists who disagree with him on Climate science, should be classified with a “mental disorder”
      Lewandowsky and the University of Bristol have added Britain onto the list of countries that have: “Political abuse of psychiatry”

      http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/01/mann-and-lewandowsky-go-psychotic-on-skeptics

      This is a cartoon depicting the loony holding his Loony Landings/Climate Science survey.
      lewpaper.jpg

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Richard, think Lewandowsky must have influenced Polly Toynbee. At one point, if I recall correctly, the female Guardian journalist and BBC contributor with the villa in Tuscany wished to have all who denied ‘Climate Change’ locked up in prison camps.

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    • G says:

      The beginings of full on tyranny I do believe. It won’t stop there.

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  11. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Damned democracy getting in the way again!

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    • BRISSLES says:

      I couldn’t give a monkeys about ‘excluding marginalised groups’. Having just had to re-apply for my driving licence, because of an upcoming 70th, we just do it. (although I have laid on the floor kicking and screaming like a toddler).

      No-one squeals about having a driving licence so whats the sodding fuss about an I.D. card ? someone, please explain it to me.

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      • vesnadog says:

        “I couldn’t give a monkeys about ‘excluding marginalised groups’”

        Me too!

        Yet you try excluding the “as you know!” groups in Bath!

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5954595/Bath-University-academics-urged-stop-saying-know-case-students-feel-inadequate.html

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        • BRISSLES says:

          Ves, just read it. Words fail me. Clearly the snowflakes haven’t got the gumption to reply “no I don’t know, so could you explain please”. (although I agree, most have never heard the word ‘please’ )
          I do get angry at this lot, purely because in the 60’s you really had to be super intelligent to gain a place at University, and judging by todays standards I would fly into Oxbridge and be award Honours with no trouble at all.

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          • vesnadog says:

            BRISSELS.

            Exactly! I’m trying to put myself in the position of those numpties; so I’d ask myself why did I apply to this uni in the first place! – idiots! I presume some of those idiots will be parents sometime soon: Hey, mom, what do you think should I go to art collegue or not? “who knows?” Oh, go and ask your father! But he’s left the decision up to you? Crazy!

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Lucy, isn’t it a wonderful world?

      ‘We’ worry about foreign influence on the EU Referendum, the US Presidential Election and the 2017 General Election but then ‘we’ worry about asking voters if they are who they claim to be, on the Electoral Roll, before voting.

      Hmmmmnnn. Have ‘they’ thought that through?

      I wonder.

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      The reason why Voter ID is more likely to exclude marginalised groups from voting twice is because criminals are a marginalised group who try to vote more than once.

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      • Banania says:

        The sooner they are marginalized, the better.

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      • BRISSLES says:

        And what about our ‘dim’ student communaeeee, who can barely string two sentences together, but are clearly clued up enough to vote more than once, simply by being registered at more than one address. There surely has to be a priority crackdown on this before the next GE.

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        • Pat..original says:

          Postal voting for all was a big mistake. Friend of a close relative told him that he had registered his dog on the electoral roll. The dog was accepted. It voted Labour.

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      • G says:

        Richard,
        Common practice where they come from. Its just another adjustment the British public have to make to accommodate.

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    • theisland says:

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Think our Naz is importing her third world practices to Blighty – plenty of those letter drop flats with a hundred residents all called ‘mo’ – see Toweristan Hamletistan for the ‘ model’ . Also applies to students of course

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    • smoogie7 says:

      Oh dear, no double voting for Labour in the next election?

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  12. taffman says:

    Social Engineering , “boys will be boys” ? Not according to Al Beeb…………………
    https://www.westmonster.com/whittle-biased-bbc-push-social-engineering-doing-huge-cultural-damage/

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    • popeye says:

      Just been to Wickes (a builders’ merchant) and was approached by a fully immersed TG/TV/TS. Not at all convincing, but did my wife or I bat an eyelid? No, couldn’t care less – and I’m a “far right” individual!

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  13. taffman says:

    UKIP and Al Beeb……………..
    https://www.facebook.com/UKIP/?hc_ref=ART1pDR-dL2yxW7j4JQCVKMjd-udOfDyeTAsgqjo8xtqrDHy3JmprMm-iTpht8fO5GE
    Vote or support UKIP .

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  14. Nibor says:

    Fake news. Fake news . Fake news .

    If you own or posses a car you could be done for speeding .

    Fake news .fake news .

    How can that be ? Surely you actually speed before you get a ticket ?

    Fake news fake news

    Well look at the wording . Does it say if you have a car you will be speeding ?

    Fake news .fake news .

    Let’s turn it another way , the BBC way .

    Fake news .fake news

    If you possess a TV set you have to have a licence and we will come round your house if you say you haven’t got one .

    Real news real news .

    It’s RECIEVING LIVE BROADCASTS that requires a licence , not being in possession of a TV set . The BBC IS LYING mainly by omission , but also by their intimidation .

    The BBC . Giving fake information .

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  15. StewGreen says:

    https://www.rt.com/news/434530-amsterdam-lawless-jungle-ombudsman/
    Interesting the way the London Evening Standard spins it
    “Amsterdam ‘lawless’ after dark because of Brit stag parties,”
    ..No it is not the British who are running around on scooters with guns
    ..the vast majority of crimes mentioned have nothing to do with British stag parties.

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    • Guest Who says:

      It’s the same in Mexico, only hen parties leaving beheaded corpses of those who fail the Breezer chug challenge.

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  16. Up2snuff says:

    On your marks, get set, go!

    This so-called ‘Novichok’ thing took an interesting turn last week. Early on in July we were told that the chemical that had hospitalised Sturgess and Rowley was in a perfume bottle. Then we were told that the police were searching for a container. Not necessarily a perfume bottle. A vial, a jar, a syringe, perhaps. While the couple were in hospital, Rowley’s flat was sealed and searched by police. It took them days, ie more than one, to find the container. Find it, they did. They did not tell us what the container was. It was tested by Porton Down chemists who quickly said it was the same substance that had poisoned the Skripals. The implication was exactly the same substance as in the Salisbury poisoning.

    Charlie Rowley recovered and left hospital. He had some interesting news to pass on. He found a discarded perfume bottle and it was boxed. He took it home ‘as a present for Dawn’. He had it at home for two days before giving it to her. He got some on his hands while assembling the spray component onto the bottle. He inhaled it. He found the residue oily and immediately washed it off under a tap. He gave it to Sturgess. She recognised the brand. She tried it spraying it on her hands and arms and rubbing them together. Probably, no doubt, also inhaling to test the scent. It is what women do.

    Dawn Sturgess almost immediately started to feel a headache coming on and then felt increasingly unwell. She went to lie down in the bath and Rowley found her there, fully clothed. We were not told if the bath was full of water. Neither the BBC’s or the Independent’s journalists inform us of that. Did they ask? Rowley called an abulance and the rest is well known. Dawn Sturgess, sadly, died from her exposure to ‘the chemical’.

    Some interesting little ‘conflicts’ there. The first is the perfume bottle > not a perfume bottle > perfume bottle in a box scenario.

    Second is the assumption that Rowley did not die because he immediately washed off ‘the chemical’. But did Dawn Sturgess, effectively, do so as well by getting into the bath full of water. He inhaled the chemical. She may not have done but is likely, I think, to have done so. There is an interesting comparison between the effects of what the authorities claim is a deadly nerve agent, in concentrated form, on two different people who handled it in pretty much the same way.

    Third is the search for something so obvious in a flat (which I assume was not a large one) which suggests it was well hidden. Why would Rowley hide the bottle, concealing it so thoroughly that it apparently took skilled investigators more than a day to find, before going to the hospital to see Sturgess and being hospitalised himself? Skilled and highly paid journalists from the BBC and the Independent did not think to ask. Their even more highly paid Editors did not think to ask them to go back and ask. Strange, that.

    Then there is the super quick diagnosis by the chemists at Porton Down. Biased BBCers with good memories will remember it took the Organisation for the Prevention of use of Chemical Weapons several days to decide the Skripal poisoning was caused by “a Soviet era chemical”.

    Interesting and interestinger.

    Especially when set against this bit of malarkey. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45000472

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    • Spiderman says:

      Also, the residents of the hostel where Dawn Sturgess lived were initially (according to a TV interview of a resident) forced out onto the streets. Later on, police were entering that building wearing bio-hazard suits! No mention, anywhere, that the residents (who could have been contaminated) were turfed out into the community. Who ordered them to get out? Were any medical checks done on those residents and the people they were, subsequently, in contact with?

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Spider, it would appear that Dawn Sturgess was living with Charlie Rowley at his flat.

        It appears that is where the perfume bottle was hidden, er, I mean left, after they were hospitalised.

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    • john in cheshire says:

      Also,a few weeks ago, on early LBC news report; probably during the Steve Allen show; it was reported that the chemical had been found not to be this Novichok stuff. That was the only time I heard that said. And, recently I heard or read a report that the glass container had shattered whereas the reports now sound as though it was found in tact.

      Apart from some poor woman dying from some kind of poisoning, I don’t believe anything else that has been reported on this incident.

      And where are the Skripals these days?

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      • BRISSLES says:

        And doesn’t all this conclude that us, mere members of the public, clearly have more common sense than those journalists (who have a degree or two), and would ask more searching questions than those numb nuts, because some things appear to be patently obvious, but obviously not to those in the gallery shouting out the questions in the earpiece to those on screen.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        j-i-c, can’t say I’ve heard anything like that on the Beeb on R4. What I did hear was that there was a re-check going on, on the perfume bottle & its contents. I did wonder if that initial Porton Down assessment was a bit too hasty in view of the complexities of testing for a so-called Novichok.

        In this age of FakeNews and FalseNews and FalseFacts, by everyone else, you would think the BBC would wish to be very scrupulous in their newscasting, wouldn’t you?

        As to the Skripals, I am a lot more interested right now in the activities of the OPCW who were recalled to Britain to test the contents of that bottle. Absolutely zero interest shown by the BBC, as far as I know.

        I wonder why?

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      • kingkp says:

        They are on their summer hols with Christopher Steele and Pablo Miller in Argentina.

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  17. Alex says:

    Sky and BBC are proclaiming that the British have changed their mind about Brexit and now wish to remain. These scum will stop at nothing to keep us chained to the EU. What utter meddling, cynical scum these media organisations are; the media are now a weapon of the establishment and enemy of the people. These media scum should be dumped in gimmiegrant camps or bus loads of the ‘enriching’ invading hordes should be dropped off outside their leafy middle class suburbs… I wonder what that lanky leftie tw*t Jon Snow, that dick James O’Brien or that self righteous brat Silly Allen would say if they had enrichers camping in their neighbourhoods and taking craps on their lawns? These snooty lefty scum all live in areas not affected by invaders so they don’t care.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Alex, isn’t Sky ‘foreign’ owned?

      Just what is a ‘foreign’ owned company doing trying to influence the result of a British Referendum?

      Oowwww!

      I must have a dodgy molar or something on that side of my mouth.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Be great to invite them all to a media bonding day at The Gower and, just as the beers are chilling and the sausages crisping, arrange for a landing craft of enrichers to crash up (see what I did there?) on the beach in their midst.

      Just be worth it to see Tubbo Mardell kneecapped by O’Brien buy time to cover his escape.

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  18. Lucy Pevensey says:

    At the bottom of my local BB weather page there are 4 “news stories” linked.

    1: Are teenagers having less sex?

    2: How long are you going to live?

    3: Where can UK students study for free?

    4 : Festivals 2018: The gender gap in music festival line-ups

    ( By Reality Check team BBC News) Whose reality?
    What a load of freaks they have working at the BBC.

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    • Tabs says:

      That is the trouble with the BBC – full of freaks and perverts.

      They have so many student interns working for them it has become something like the Houses of parliament were everyone is from the same bubble. Same background, same education, same mindset.

      I bet there is not one person in the BBC who has been in the military, police or fire service. Not one real engineer with real experience etc.

      It is one big Student Union bar full of Owen Jones types with their twisted views on the real world and real people.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Tabs, more than ‘half’ the BBC are engineers.

        There are the engineers who take care of the techie stuff in studios and control rooms and the service spaces between floors and in the basement (I’ve seen the stuff they have to deal with at BH – eeeeek!) and who go out in the OB Trucks to set up for things like Any Questions and Question Time. Then there are the ‘engineers’ who ‘engineer’ the News and other stuff.

        OOOOoooowwwww!

        I must stop doing that.

        And go see the dentist.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      ….. 1. Are teenagers having LESS sex ? …..

      God almighty, I never had ANY teenage sex, ( unless a quick fumble and knee trembler in the back row counts), we were too bloody scared ! No worries about chlamydia / aids / then, and as for the horror stories about Gonorrhea and other STD’s that in itself was enough of a contraception !

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  19. Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

    bBBC NorthWest ‘news’ tonight tells us that Muslims in Manchester have ‘genuine concerns’ about being targeted by the Police.
    bBBC NorthWest ‘news’ doesn’t tell us that millions of normal people have genuine concerns about being targeted by Muslims.

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  20. countryblues says:

    BBC4 tonight :

    Leading Lady Parts followed by Snatches 🙂

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  21. Guest Who says:

    Desperate measures.

       29 likes

    • scribblingscribe says:

      You mean like Jewish people who in Berlin have been told by officials not to wear anything identifying themselves as Jews. Can’t think why.

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      Germany “gripped ” you say Beeb?
      GRIPPED?
      Trump has made them loopy and simply unable to have any sense of language or discernment.
      It`s all judgey and discrimation to them-so the bigger and more inflated their words, the more we`ll care.
      Sorry Beeb, Innoculated, you`re both mad AND bad these days.
      No-one`s listening.

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  22. Guest Who says:

    Up to their old tricks with the kids again.

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  23. Fedup2 says:

    Following on the Supreme Court decision on allowing medical euthanasia – seeing that it was a unanimous verdict – it now allows care homes and hospitals to get rid of those they don’t want – with the consent of relatives – or even better for the care homes- no relatives at all.

    The court seems to think doctors are upstanding and honest . Well I, from personal experience , know this is not the case .
    Doctors are self employed and those attending care homes have a financial interesting in signing off on those no longer wanted .
    I wonder how long before some whistle blower reports hospitals or care homes which are ‘offing’ defenceless victims under a false cloak or medical abuse .

    Shipman .

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    • G.W.F. says:

      Fedup2

      Just a thought, Treezer’s dad was an Anglo Catholic priest in the same hospital as Dr Bodkin Adams of easing the passing fame. He was there for six years and as a priest must have known of over 160 patients being despatched. It seems as if Treezer’s Government is approving a similar range of healthcare

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    • Guest Who says:

      Too right.

      My Mum was in a £3600 a month home owned by a GP, by sheer coincidence the head of practice serving the home. Did not go well.

      Conflict of interest much? The CQC, LGO and PHSO were all on par with the Electoral Commission and BbC parliamentary inquiry committees for competence and trustworthiness.

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  24. StewGreen says:

    LBC now : Farage is on holiday
    so they seem to be fishing to find people who want a second referendum.
    And quoting the Sky Poll.
    “Only 1 in 5 believe now is the time for a second referendum, but when a deal is made, many people say they want a second vote then.”

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    • Guest Who says:

      Does the bbc have an irony editor?

         38 likes

      • scribblingscribe says:

        Oddly comments arent going Kinnock’s way. In fact you could cut and paste them onto BiasedBBC site and they would fit in perfectly . – though some might appear a little too rude and personal.

        But the good news is, that we are NOT ALONE!

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    • Guest Who says:

      JHB better watch out if J’Obsworth catches her without a bodyguard.

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    • ID says:

      Stew
      LBC do not need to look very far to find remain flatulators aching for the “Peoples Vote”. Madgit, Fogerthy, O’Brien etc. etc. Only Iain Stale is vaguely leave – I think he wants a “pink” Brexit.
      Recently, Repentent Brexiteer callers have been confessing how stupid their reasos for voting leave were. Of course, no mention of the remainers who voted to stay because they thought they would not be allowed to go to Ibiza post Brexit or feared gran would be deported from her retirement home in Spain.

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      • StewGreen says:

        @ID when LBC callers speak to Farage or JRM they often say
        “You know I was actually a Remain voter, but now I have seen how unreasonable the EU are being I’ve changed sides”

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    • BRISSLES says:

      But 4 in 5 believes that its not the time for a second referendum – which sounds so much better !

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  25. Panda says:

    Strange how every commentator on Sky or the BBC always say’ while i don’t believe Jeremy is personally an anti semite he has allowed it to take hold…..blah blah blah’. Well no. I believe he is an anti semite full stop.

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    • Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

      Abbott and McDonnell can’t add up, but Corbyn surely can. There are about 250,000 Jews who can vote, and about 3,000,000 Muslims.

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  26. taffman says:

    Has Al Beeb covered this yet? ………………………………
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/forced-marriage-couple-leeds-bangladesh-daughter-cousin-jailed-prison-a8469746.html
    If not why not ?

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    • taffman says:

      Found it !
      Hidden away in ‘Leeds and West Yorkshire’.
      Where is maxincony when you need him ? He should have pointed it out and jumped down my throat .

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      • StewGreen says:

        Forced marriage: Leeds parents jailed over Bangladesh wedding
        “monsters”
        The story is framed by a building of a court building
        whereas if it were white people the photo of the actual perps would have been used.
        BBC probably argue that the iD of the victim has to be preserved.
        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-45010987

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  27. john in cheshire says:

    As a matter of interest, have there been any reports of groups of white illegals being smuggled into Europe, or the UK? Any white illegals found in the back of lorries coming into England, or rubber boatloads of white illegals coming ashore on Spanish beaches? What about the USA, are there hordes of white English speaking illegal families crossing in from Mexico?

    What about mass immigration of white people into the Middle East and Africa?

    I must have missed all those reports or is this just another example of selective reporting by the MSM and the far-left bbc?

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  28. Fedup2 says:

    More depression for snowflakes – and particular – sopel – that President trump is offering to meet with his opposite number in Iran .
    Nothing may come of it but jaw jaw is better ….

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    • kingkp says:

      Even worse for the sjw’s will be the unredacting of the 20 pages of the Carter Page FISA warrant demanded by Nunes, the constitutional storm that will be unleashed when it turns out the Senate Intelligence Committee ordered the release of the unredacted Carter Page FISA warrant to Buzzfeed and the publishing of the Cohen tapes which will humiliate the MSM. Even they can’t put the lid on these. Trump winning bigly as usual. The man just can’t stop winning.

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  29. StewGreen says:

    RT now : ‘Oh for BME they get longer sentences for the same crime
    … then they contradict themselves
    ..the whites enter a guilty plea
    .. the BME don’t and therefore don’t get a jail discount fro being honest.

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    • ID says:

      Stew
      These relevations were all in the Lammy report. Seems such a long time ago. The shtick at the time was miscreants of hue so distrusted the justice system and all those male, stale, pale judges that they were reluctant to admit guilt. Makes no sense of course. I suppose you could argue all their lawyers were white so the people of colour didn’t believe them either.
      Strange how m’luds and lawyers are slaves to their prejudices in this case, yet possess divine detachment when judging Brexit cases, even though they publically declare themselves as remainers

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  30. Demon says:

    https://www.change.org/p/uk-government-the-wishes-of-the-people

    I created this earlier. I was annoyed because I got a request to sign my name to a referndum request for a second referendum, so I made one of my own. If anyone wants to sign and help me get it off the ground I would be grateful, although I suspect it won’t get enough signatures. The text of my referendum request is as follows:

    The British people voted for Brexit, and not for a second, or third, or fourth referendum. They also did not vote for a fudge. Unlike the remainers who were misled by the Remain campaign, 99.9% of those voting for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It was made clear by both sides of the campaign that a vote for Brexit was to leave the EU and all of its agencies.

    So it is no to a further referendum on this issue, and yes to a full Brexit: even if it means we do not get a deal with the EU who are making any agreement impossible to accept and still to claim with a straight face that this form of Remain is actually Brexit. If those negotiating from the EU refuse to behave like democrats, then we must accept that we have no deal and we will not pay the un-owed money they demand and we will continue to trade with them on WTO rules as we already do with most of the World.

    Only Brexit is Brexit.

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  31. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Demon, signed. 🙂

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  32. Lucy Pevensey says:

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  33. Lucy Pevensey says:

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    • pugnazious says:

      You’re being silly….aliens couldn’t survive #duetobrexit as they’d starve to death as there’d be no avocado sandwiches to eat, or they’d catch not just gonorrhoea but a super dangerous dose of super-gonorrhoea, or they’d be killed by all the aircraft just dropping out of the sky, or stampeded to death by the flight of all those EU doctors and nurses heading home, or caught in the cross-fire as WW3 breaks out…and anyway why would they land here….there’d be no fuel for their machines as all nuclear material couldn’t cross the new impenetrable border #duetobrexit. There’d be nothing worth looting and pillaging anyway as the economy would be in ruins, the people impoverished and all the good looking, intelligent, educated and morally superior people will have taken their shiny new Irish passports and gone to live in Berlin as EU citizens of the world.

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  34. Guest Who says:

    Not bbc… any more… but here is their Mr. Crick jumping on the pathetic little carnival float they are trying to turn into a parade.

    Must say I am astounded any woman ever let the greasy little oaf within a barge pole’s length.

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    • Payne by name says:

      The sneering condescension in that guys statement speaks volumes yet I imagine he thinks he’s being really clever in making a witticism that none of us knuckle dragging neanderthals will detect as being a dig at Hunt.

      He didn’t make a gaffe, he literally mis-spoke a word and he doesn’t need reminding about the nationality of his wife. There was no malice or stupidity in Jeremy’s error, it was a simple human mistake.

      These grade A, c rags are just highlighting what petty, mean spirited douche bags they really are. But they should stick at it because all they are doing is humanising Hunt and revealing how odious they actually are.

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  35. deegee says:

    The bitch is back
    There is plenty to complain about in this misleading BBC report on the release of Ahed Tamimi from Israeli prison. Palestinian teenager Ahed Tamimi released from prison
    “She has been released from prison after serving an weight month sentence for slapping an Israeli soldier” Totally misleading The reality is she accepted a deal and plead guilty to four charges, including assault, incitement and two counts of obstructing soldiers. The eight months included four months already served. She could have faced years in prison for 12 charges including assaulting security forces, throwing stones and using Facebook “to incite others to commit terrorist attacks”.

    “She was kicking the soldiers outside her home, reportedly an hour after they shot her 15-year-old cousin in the head with a rubber bullet” A slap or a kick what does it matter (except to accuracy standards the BBC claims)? It is true the Tamimi clan has a reputation for violence including murder so her cousin being hurt is no surprise. Her aunt assisted in carrying out the infamous 2001 Sbarro pizza bombing in Jerusalem that took the lives of 15 Jews, half of them children eating lunch.

    Still the implication is that she was provoked by the shooting. Nothing could be further from the truth. She has been attempting to provoke Israeli soldiers and police to a violent response since 2012. Each incident (I count six) was photographed by her darling mother.

    “Since the incident, Ahed has become a heroine in the Palestinian territories”. Actually long before. She has been feted as a heroine in front of Palestine Authority President Abbas, South Africa’s President Cyril Ramaphosa and Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

    “To resist is normal. Not to resist is abnormal” Bassem Tamii, Ahed’s father interviewed without challenge. The 4th Geneva Convention only has two categories of residents in occupied territories: Protected persons and combatants. The veteran teenage provocateur surely falls into the later category.

    “The residents organise weekly protests to oppose the neighbouring Israeli settlement built on Palestinian land”. Should the BBC be parroting Palestinian claims without a ‘says’ or ‘claims’ as they inevitably do with Israel? The Supreme Court of Israel rejected Palestinian claims of ownership of the Havlata Hill, which is now in the centre of Halamish. Based on aerial photos from the turn of the 20th century, showing the disputed land to be barren, and Ottoman Empire land law specifying that land not worked for over ten years becomes state land, the land on that hill was declared state land and freed for settlement constructions. This court ruling became the precedent for future land ownership disputes.

    Nida Ibrahim BBC reporter [she comes] “to a new reality being the new iconic face of Palestinian resistance”. Hardly new. Where has Ms Ibrahim been for the last few years if she thinks Tamimi’s notoriety is something recent? Palestinian resistance? Surely a loaded term, at best?

    Still this piece of Palestinian propaganda is exactly what we have learnt to expect from the BBC.

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  36. tapwatertory says:

    I’ve just watched newsnight, apparently we’re all doomed, the sandwich (or butty where I’m from) is no more after brexit. I heard it from some expert in a pin striped suit, he’s from the British association of sandwich makers. How deep is this fuckin’ barrel BBC? What next? The beggars guild complaining about the exchange rate?

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    • Dave S says:

      It was surreal. Laughable really. Sandwiches for Christ’s sake. Brexit mania has finally done ffor our Emily and seriously I feel she needs a holiday.
      There are no import duties unless we impose them. She just could not grasp this and seemed to think the EU imposes export duties. Insane.
      It shows the complete lack of any commercial nous in the BBC . Not surprising considering the way it is funded.
      The EU will continue to trade otherwise farms all over France Spain Ireland etc will go to the wall along with hauliers and ancillary trades. We spend serious money
      The need and urge to trade is inherent in us and we will overcome all obstacles because we have to to survive. The Beeboids just will never get this.
      What a cossetted bunch of idiots they are.

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      • ID says:

        Dave S
        Yes, Dateless was unusually shouty tonight.
        The concept that an independent state can decide matters for itself is alien to her. The doors of the EU prison are about to open, but remainers cower in a corner too fearful to escape.

        Holland sends 15% of its meat exports and 15% of its fruit and vegetables to UK. Rather than send tonnes of its produce to rot at the border unpaid for, presumeably Dutch producers would be looking for new buyers long before “Brexit doomsday”. Could they switch a sixth of their production on a single day? Surely we would be noticing shortages in Dutch produce now as they divert to other markets.

        The WTO bogeyman is always raised. As the WTO want to liberalise trade and the tariffs it stipulates are maxima beyond which countries cannot go without negotiations, it is hard to see what the problem will be..Does the “transition period” apply or not?

        What is worrying is the dependence on Europe for so many products – food, insulin for a start.

        What happens if things go down the pan in the EU – a new Euro crisis, for example?

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      • JimS says:

        The picture that the remainers like to paint is of lots of British trucks stuck in queues waiting to cross the channel. However a large part of the cross-channel traffic consists of Spanish, French or Polish vehicles. I can’t see their owners being too happy paying their drivers to go nowhere and to watch their truck depreciate in a stack at Dover.

        Similarly we never hear about all those EU aircraft that are going to be ditching mid-Atlantic when UK air traffic control suddenly finds itself unable to accept in-bound flights with EU destinations. But then we will never be nasty, unlike our ‘friends’ in Europe!

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        • ID says:

          Jims
          Even if you accept the “EU blockade scenario”, we are not living in Napoleonic times. Any indication that the French customs are on a “work to rule” would mean that no haulier would send trucks to Dover to clog up the whole transport system. Tough for all those Polish truck drivers who couldn’t return home for their next load.
          What happens to all the design engineers, web designers, copywriters and translators who send their work peer to peer on the internet? Are the EU customs going to check every electron for compliance?

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      • Oaknash says:

        I believe the french have worked out a cunning plan with Treason May.
        After the great BLT and egg mayonnaise riots of 2019 – They will tempt us back – by offering us cake. But not miserable English – cake that reminds us only of cloudy days but sophisticated french citrons, St Honore cakes and Madeleines. The sort of things you can only buy in Paris and Islington that remind us of sunny days, good conversation, fine wines, sophistication, vibrancy and of course molotov cocktails, personal enrichment and no-go zones.
        I think we have a lot to look forward to.

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      • Banania says:

        Oh, but you must take into account the just-in-time supply chain cliff edge certainty that business must have. After all, nobody voted to be worse off.

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  37. pugnazious says:

    In that video you can see a perfect example of what is happening not just in Australia but across Europe as well as our own society is forced to submit to Islamic ideology and it is becoming increasingly clear that Islam intends to Islamise the world. It is just unfortunate that the liberal Establishment just refuses to acknowledge this fact and actually goes out of its way to defend the very ideology that will be its death. What happened to Lauren Southern in Australia was a rerun of what happened in Luton, home to so many radical Muslims, where she was threatened with arrest for breach of the peace..because…her presence alone would upset Muslims who would then get violent…so she would be arrested not the violent Muslims.

    All this flies in the face of a harsh truth….people are sick and tired of their own society, culture and identity being trashed and being forced to submit into being proxy Muslims in effect, forced to respect a so-called religion and keep quiet about its violent, racist and supremacist core….as evidenced by Brendan O’Neil who launches a savage critique upon the Left who have joined forces with the Islamists….the result of which is a silence about the death threats towards Sarah Champion…a silence the BBC adds to of course….

    ‘There is now an incredibly chilling climate around issues to do with Islam, multiculturalism and social tensions. To such an extent that an MP can be cast out and find herself subjected to hatred and threats merely for raising perfectly legitimate questions about violence by one group against another. In turning their backs on Champion, the Labour left is making clear what its priorities are: defending Islam from public criticism and preserving the ideology of multiculturalism, which apparently take precedence over being concerned for working-class girls at risk of rape or for an MP being threatened with death. Next time these leftists claim to be concerned for women’s safety, be very, very sceptical.’

    An article in ‘Comment Central’ defines the problem that besets us as the Establishment fails to understand, or refuses to accept, what drove votes for Trump and Brexit….you can see their reaction reflected in the BBC’s almost total framing of the Brexit debate in terms of the economy…around which of course the Remain camp’s Project Fear was based when in fact voters were voting for sovereignty and control over not just laws but the shape and look of their country….what values it would have…and one set of values it didn’t want were ‘Islamic’.

    ‘The only logical route to investigate is what motivated Leave voters in the UK, when the complacent political class met the brick wall of voters’ opinions in June 2016. In polling done by Lord Ashcroft a few days after the Brexit vote, we got a clearer picture.

    National identity was a key driver…Leave voters strongly felt that multiculturalism, social liberalism and immigration were all forces for ill.
    In short, the leave vote was a triumph of social conservatism.

    Voters felt overall that a commitment to preserving British culture and values was at odds with continued involvement in the European project, as favoured by the social liberals within all of Britain’s main parties.’

    As I mentioned before there is a great delusion amongst the liberal intelligentsia and Establishment as evidenced by comments like the one below proposing that the answer to immigrants failing to integrate was more immigrants [not unlike those who suggest the answer to Islamist terror is to allow Muslims to follow their religion even more closely and outside a society’s own laws in a parallel society..thus in fact doing exactly what the intended purpose of the terrorism was…to further Islamic supremacy and influence]….

    ‘In view of Europe’s low natural population growth rate, refugee family reunification could be a great benefit by adding to the birth rate in the EU. ‘

    This is of course bonkers..just look to Paris where it is turning into Baghdad….areas of Paris already ‘lost to France’….

    ‘There are an estimated 135 different nationalities in Saint-Denis, most extremely poor, including an estimated 600,000 Muslims from North African or sub-Saharan African backgrounds.

    ‘The challenge,’ says Paris senator Philippe Dallier, is ‘to prevent Saint-Denis becoming a huge ethnic ghetto of two million inhabitants within 20 years.’

    Bon chance, monsieur — as they don’t say in this teeming quarter, where speaking Arabic is more useful than French.

    Having spent several days in Saint-Denis, it’s clear to me that the area is already lost to France — to the rule of French law, equality, religious freedom, and even access to the streets by the police themselves.’

    Read philosopher John Gray in the New Statesman and you can see the problem…the problem is that people like him just refuse to admit the problem…to him Islam is not a danger at all for Europe, the real danger for the world is…..Trump…..

    ‘Douglas Murray also thinks Europe is destroying itself. In the first sentence of his best-selling The Strange Death of Europe, he declares: “Europe is committing suicide.” But whereas for Zweig it was nationalism that destroyed Europe, for Murray it is Europe’s loss of belief in itself. Murray criticises liberals for denying or diminishing the problems that come with sudden large increases in immigration, when the migrants come from other cultures. But the real problem, he is convinced, is an influx of Muslims.
    Discussing the public response to the migrant crisis, he writes: “What very few people saw or mentioned was that the racial background of the incomers was an insignificant matter alongside the far greater issue of creed.” The most important fact about the crisis, Murray asserts repeatedly, is that it involves the encounter of Islam with a hollowed-out, guilt-ridden, faithless Europe. The consequence will be the Islamisation of the continent and the end of European civilisation.
    Where does Islam figure in all of this? An Islamised Europe – the denouement of Murray’s story – is fantasy.

    Portraying Islam as essentially hostile to what used to be called the liberal West passes over such differences and risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
    In some European countries semi-closed communities of Islamic immigrants have emerged in which anti-Semitism and homophobia are more prevalent than in the general population. But a revulsion from liberal values is gathering pace in European societies themselves.
    The largest threat to liberal values comes from the ongoing break-up of the international order, which Murray does not discuss. Donald Trump hardly appears in his story.’

    Completely delusional….you don’t have to look too hard to find the truth and the intent….

    Even the Guardian, in a moment of weakness, once admitted there might be a problem with Islamic immigration…

    ‘Christopher Caldwell’s contention that immigration has not only changed Europe but revolutionised it has a topical plausibility. Immigration, he says, and above all Muslim immigration, has planted in the heart of a weak and confused civilisation communities, rapidly growing in number, that have already changed Europe to suit their needs and beliefs. And the chances are, he insists, that in the future we will bend to their will rather than that they will bend to ours.
    Rightwing rubbish? Caldwell cannot be so easily dismissed.
    Where he is right is in underlining the fact that immigration was encouraged by elites who took a ludicrously short-sighted view of its costs and consequences…..This inherently unstable and dysfunctional system was set in motion, in other words, for no good reason. Those who started it off did not foresee how big it would become, nor the mechanisms of family reunion and arranged marriages that would drive it on even when restrictions were belatedly imposed. Most of them did not imagine, says Caldwell, that the newcomers would “retain the habits and cultures of southern villages, clans, marketplaces, and mosques”.

    Either that, or they welcomed such retention. It was right and proper that the people Europe had lorded over should now come to the metropolitan countries: they would change us for the better. Not only were all cultures equal, but their cultures were more equal than ours.
    He is right to argue that immigration on the scale that Europe has experienced constitutes a risky experiment to which we need not have submitted ourselves, and of which the final result is not yet clear. He is right that we frequently talk about it in stupid and dishonest ways.’

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    • taffman says:

      Where is Skippy when you need him ?

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    • JimS says:

      Bear in mind that it isn’t just Labour that loves Islam, our so-called conservative PM regards Lauren Southern as being more extreme than those ‘British’ lads welcomed back from beheading in Syria. Even the ‘far right’ Nigel Farage bends his knee to the brown-eyed boys.

      Something very strange is going on when mainstream politicians worry about offending the ‘2%’ yet for decades have ignored the much, much larger percentages that oppose mass immigration or the EU. It’s almost as if they are working to a hidden common purpose.

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      • Ian Rushlow says:

        For globalism to work, it requires a dumbed-down population that will accept lower standards of living and never be able to challenge the system. Islam fits the bill perfectly; as Churchill wrote: “Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.” Europe is a particular problem for the globalists: Africa and the Middle East are going nowhere quickly; China is happy to be a reasonably self-contained totalitarian society that churns out the goods to the enterprises owned by the globalists; India is beset by poverty and regional concerns that will occupy it for the rest of the century. From an American perspective, it wants Europe as a solid market for its goods but not be a strong commercial competitor. Even if a fractured, Islamised Europe results in tens of thousands of deaths a year, the elite still think it desirable in the context of a continent that experienced tens of millions of deaths in two world wars. Plus, they are themselves isolated from the resultant social problems, much as the barons and earls were in their castles a thousand years ago.

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      • Banania says:

        And if they could bring back capital punishment just for Tommy Robinson, they probably would.

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    • G.W.F. says:

      pugnacious
      Thank you. Well argued

         5 likes

    • Foscari says:

      I often write about the lack of male news presenters on the BBC.
      After just watching the Mundhir Abdallah from Copenhagen in
      my opinion he would make a very good addition for the
      Londonistan Programme on the BBC.

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  38. Lucy Pevensey says:

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  39. Moodswing6 says:

    I have not posted for quite a while, however I want to sincerely thank all of you for helping maintain some of my sanity in a world which I no longer feel connected with or understand. I have not switched on my television for at least a month, probably 2 months and I will never switch it on again. As for my radio that has been off for even longer. The BBC are a disgrace and completely untrustworthy. I could rave (rant) on but what’s the use. I will continue to enjoy everyone’s comments and perspective. Hopefully, eventually the narcissistic ego bloated over paid, nasty, evil two faced double standard double dipping shit heads at the BBC will be forced to live in an enriched multicultural community even having to send their kids to a school where their kids are the odd ones out. Am I racist? YES
    Am I islamophobic? YES Am I anti European? NO Am I anti BBC? YES.

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  40. taffman says:

    Al Beeb informs us that No 10 is not involving the army in Brexit ?
    Did they realise that their Project Fear 2.4 is becoming transparent and the people recognised it as being
    Fake News ?
    Lots of Brexiteers are in the British Army, or have family in the forces and would be well ‘informed’.

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  41. taffman says:

    Does anyone believe the Sky Polls that says that the ‘people are calling for a second vote’?
    Neither do I .

    Does anyone believe any person that says they “had voted for Brexit” but are now changing their mind?
    No?
    Neither do I.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/14/vote-leave-britain-single-market-tories-labour-brexit
    Vote or support UKIP.

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    • AsISeeIt says:

      Oddly, given all this chat about a second referendum our BBC news editors seem to have misplaced this clip.

         19 likes

      • taffman says:

        AsIseeIt
        Ha !
        That one has come back to bite them on the backside .

           12 likes

        • Eddy Booth says:

          why?
          that general election worked a treat, May managed to lose her big majority, that would have made Brexit easier.
          She wasn’t doing as badly as expected , so for no other reason mentioned stopping the state pension ‘triple lock’ guarantee.

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  42. Beeb Brother says:

    Toady lead with a story about sexual exploitation – the producers must be orgasmic. I bet the issue is massively exagerrated and they just want to be all virtuous and superior whilst basking in the safe space of a Grounhog story. All that finger wagging: you worry they might dislocate something.

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  43. Doobster78 says:

    Oh dear . Muslims have genuine fear. So do we, fear of being blown in to ten thousand pieces when I go for some milk

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/muslims-greater-manchester-genuine-fear-14967579

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    • john in cheshire says:

      If only they did fear us then they might just learn to behave themselves. And dress accordingly in public places.

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  44. Guest Who says:

    They are not letting this one go.

    #CCBGB

       22 likes

    • Oaknash says:

      Oh God I love egg mayonnaise butties
      WHAT HAVE WE DONE !
      AND WHAT IF , WHAT IF IT AFFECTS NANDOS!

      HOW COULD WE HAVE BEEN SO STUPID!

         25 likes

    • Eddy Booth says:

      Would it be too simply to just grow them ourselves?

      Eating whats in season is more healthy anyway.

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  45. Guest Who says:

    Jon, Katty and Anthony must be saying ‘OmG’ in unison.

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    • Guest Who says:

      In other news, Naz Shah is advising the BBC on how not to say anything stupid, impartially. Apparently.

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  46. thirdoption says:

    Here’s a short video from the BBC telling us of the terrible things that await when Brexit kicks in and we leave the EU:-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-45013420/brexit-and-your-holiday-five-things-that-could-change

    For those of you who don’t want to listen to the smug, smarmy BBC presenter, reporting from a swimming pool in Benidorm, I’ve summarised what he says below:-

    1) Planes will not be allowed to fly to Europe
    2) You’ll need a visa and it’s going to cost you more money
    3) You’ll have no emergency health care so you could die whilst on holiday and no-one will care
    4) Roaming charges will be re-introduced and so you won’t be able to use your mobile phone.
    5) “Benidorm has felt the Brexit effect since the vote in 2016 and now you get less Euros to the Pound”

    Desperate, pathetic and fake news.

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  47. Guest Who says:

    The national broadcaster of the U.K.

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    • AsISeeIt says:

      BBC : The No. 1 Western Ladies’ Depopulation Agency ?

      – for explanation and context see item below

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  48. thirdoption says:

    “Girl killed in Smethwick was on way to mosque prayers”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-45016404

    The BBC headline clearly implies that an innocent little girl was killed just because she was a muslim.

    Turns out she was a random victim in a traffic incident.

    World class reporting from the most trusted news agency in the world .

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    • Guest Who says:

      This poor Manchester lad ‘died’ whilst at ‘work’ in the U.K.

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      • Dystopian says:

        Yes this is how they demonstrate their gratitude.

        Remember the outrage at this poster? Does it apply to Libyan refugees?

        I wonder what the relatives of the 22 would think about it now.
        If this “refugee” hadn’t been ‘rescued’ 22 people would still be alive and many more not maimed for life.

        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-jr-syrian-refugees-skittles-that-could-kill-you-handful-president-republican-twitter-a7317596.html

        Why did he do it? No doubt the bBBC will blame our horrible waycist country-or Brexit!

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      • Ed Hitter says:

        The BBC is an utter disgrace again today – further censorship by omission.
        Even ITV’s Good Morning Britain show carried the Manchester Arena murderer ‘betrayal’ story prominently on its new bulletin. It is splashed all over the Daily Mail front page.
        So what do we get on BBC TV? Not a squeak.
        Come the paper review, the Mail is not even mentioned. Come the news round-up, and again the story is not mentioned.
        Check the website – there is a single reference in the newspaper front pages round-up, but no separate news coverage at all!
        Put a search in under the bomber’s name and the most recent item that pops up is about Muslims in Manchester fearing persecution as a result of the Prevent strategy.
        A minister or someone in the public slips up and says something ‘inappropiate’ and they’re all over it like a rash, but on this they can’t be bothered.
        Yes, it was an act of betrayal by Salman Abedi to murder in the country that rescued him…..but I’d argue that there is a whiff of betrayal by the BBC!

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        • Dystopian says:

          “Sickening act of betrayal”

          But not to them. They have no allegiance to our country. They do not respect our laws. They only have allegiance to Allah and they must carry out their Jihad.

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        • vlad says:

          Quite so Ed.

          The beebistan can’t bring themselves to report this hugely significant story. The nearest they get is the rather slippery technique of posting the Mail revelations under their Papers section, thereby ‘keeping their hands clean’ as they no-doubt see it. “Wasn’t us guv, we didn’t say it.”

          And no doubt they will disappear the story altogether asap, unless it gains traction in the msm, in which case they may be shamed into covering it properly.
          But that’s assuming the beeb know shame.

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      • vlad says:

        Why has it taken so long for this piece of information to surface?

        I smell a cover-up from on high.

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        • JamesArthur says:

          Vlad
          Of course it was – they didn’t want a huge backlash against NGO’s and ‘rescue’ by Navy..it would not have played well for the Lefties at BBC and other public organisations.
          However if they didn’t know until now it shows how little we know about these ‘refugees’ which is just as bad…

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          • taffman says:

            Be fair to them, its a tough one !
            Is Al Beeb’s propaganda team trying to work out a story that would point the finger of blame at the Royal Navy?
            Hence the delay?

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      • Payne by name says:

        So surely when Emily Matlis was ripping Orban for daring to say that importing immigrants means you could be importing terrorists, this is exactly the example that she was trying to ignore.

        But I’m sure the parents and relatives of the 22 who were killed will be grateful that their Govt isn’t being portrayed as xenophobes by the state broadcaster. I’m sure that keeps them warm when they are passing the bedroom door behind which their child no longer lives.

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    • Cassandra says:

      Sadly, knowing the area well as I do, I wonder how the BBC will report it if the girl was killed by a Muslim driver? Muslims feature quite a lot now in fatal road accidents in Birmingham, drugs are often involved…
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-44288967

      Muslims often play the ‘victim card’ when this happens…
      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/birmingham-car-crash-kasar-jehangir-death-killed-victim-trial-by-media-condemn-friends-a8122401.html

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  49. Guest Who says:

    Pity the kids named ‘Back seat of a Nissan’.

       4 likes

  50. AsISeeIt says:

    I notice the BBC this morning is keen to put pressure on the Europeans to change their rules.

    Is our national broadcaster suddenly supporting the British side in the Brexit talks?

    No, don’t be silly. The BBC just want a Women’s Tour de France.

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