Weekend open Thread 21st July 2018

251 days to Brexit . The holiday season upon us. Schools out which normally means a Silly Season but perhaps that’s been going on a while now. Anyway for those dedicated to evidencing the wrongs of Albeeb here’s a fresh thread.

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314 Responses to Weekend open Thread 21st July 2018

  1. vlad says:

    Remember the Luebeck knife attack that wounded 14? The beeb hope you don’t.
    The German authorities were quick to declare him a German citizen, but it transpires there’s more to the story than they like to admit.
    For one thing he was originally from Iran. Then there’s the presence of a ‘smoking’ bag containg some inflammable chemical.

    So a muslim on a bus with a smoking bag attacks 14 people with a knife, and the authorities are quick to point out that it was not an act of terrorism.
    Sure sounds like one to me.
    Never forget that Mutti and her gang are terrified that a few more acts of terrorism will push the population over the edge, bring her reign to an end and forever destroy her legacy. She will do anything to prevent that happening.


  2. Beeb Brother says:

    Proms Extra on BBC Two all about female composers and how oppressed they have been. Is there a safe space anywhere on the BBC free from their marauding agenda?


  3. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Television Licence:

    I may as well donate the £150 to the Labour Party. It amounts to the same thing.

    I find very little difference between the views if the Labour Party and the BBC.

    Yet the BBC declares itself to be impartial.

    At least Labour Party donations are optional and not on pain of prison.


    • RobRoy says:

      It will be prison for some of us if Labour get in :0(


      • Fedup2 says:

        Speak for your selve – the ministry of public safety will be using the eco friendly re usable giulotine – imported without tariffs – from France on the rest of us . Bodies being recycled to be put on Labour Party members’ allotments .


  4. fakenewswatcher says:

    I see from media reports that Steve Bannon is planning to become active in Europe, ‘as a counterweight to Soros’. Planning to base himself in Brussels for six months of the year.
    That should be interesting. Anyone who sets up shop as a counterweight to Soros deserves a thumbs-up. Will need a lot of cash, though?


  5. Guest Who says:

    Who needs a TV?


    • MarkyMark says:

      BBC did this already .. what is Andrew doing here?

      Boris Johnson: Does his £350m a week Brexit claim add up?

      “But the whole of that sum did not leave the Treasury’s coffers because before anything was paid to the EU, the UK’s rebate of £75m per week was applied. The total sum sent worked out at £252m per week.”


      • RJ says:

        There was a Toady interview a few days before the referendum that addressed the number used on the bus and gross v net issue. I can’t remember which Leave spokesman was being interviewed by Humphrys – I was driving round the M25 and had to give some attention to the traffic.

        Humphrys pushed the idea that the gross figure was a deliberate lie and if Leave wanted to tell the truth they should have used a total net of the rebate and the EU grants for projects in the UK.

        The Leaver asked him what was the basic rate of income tax in the UK. Humphrys said 20%, but the Leave spokeman corrected him; pointing out that using JH’s own logic of deducting monies repaid the true figure was zero, because all the money raised in taxes from the population was then spent on service for the population. The gross figure was 20% but the net figure was zero. Humphrys immediately changed the subject.


      • Up2snuff says:

        MM, try this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35943216

        The ONS, I think, have confirmed the total EU tax (please note, the UK Rebate never comes back to taxpayers here) for 2014 (the year for the £350m pw on the side of the bus) and the BBC’s sums were correct. It is £361m per week or a little bit more. Seem to recall £363m or £367m per week. Whatever. As I have stated many times, the Leave Campaign figure on the bus was broadly correct as a gross figure. It is all there on the EU Commission’s own web-site anyway.

        I think one of the problems is that the money for any given year goes to Brussels in tranches but is changed from Sterling to the Euro. Exchange rates vary during the year in question and afterward when other payments are made.

        The figure in the 2017 article that you link to is either
        1. incorrect (FakeNews/FalseFacts)
        2. or could be for year 2016. It does seem to suggest the latter.

        In that event, the BBC are being either
        1. forgetful,
        2. devious, or,
        3. devious and forgetful.

        The BBC are not comparing like with like in that 2017 article, and EU Budget Contributions are not finalised for some time after the event. Certainly, if they are quoting the 2016 EU Tax, it probably will not be totally finalised. That may come later this year. 2014’s EU Tax, I think, was only confirmed early last year. In addition, the Commission MAY call for a supplementary Budget contribution for 2016.

        Remember Christmas 2014, I think, when the EU decided ask for more? The UK had been rather good at prostitution and drug smuggling and people trafficking and weapons smuggling and the EU asked for an extra £5bn (I think) because they felt that the effects of those ought to be included in our and some other major EU nations’ GDP calculations on which the EU Tax is based. We were not alone but I cannot remember who else it was (think Belgium and Germany were) and what they had to pay.

        Dave and GO were dropped in it by some of our national newspapers getting hold of the story, so they said “We are not having that!” and they sent GO off to Brussels to negotiate to only pay £2.5 or £3bn. Of course, the BBC do not appear to have followed up on that story. I don’t recall with any certainty whether we paid up or did get a discount. Down the memory hole with other stuff, both for me and the BBC. I did try a search of the Beeb’s w-s. Nuffink.

        For the BBC it was far too inconvenient to cover if that had got out again as ‘a reminder’ before the EU Referendum.


        • Nibor says:


          Dave paid up in instalments ,to try to hide the fact .

          As for the taxation on prostitution and other illegal acts , one wonders how they worked it out + most of those slippers would be ex commie bloc sending the money home .
          The invoice should have been sent to Romania , Poland etc .


          • Up2snuff says:

            Exactly so, Sir.

            And where did that cocaine haul come from yesterday or Friday? The Netherlands? And via where before that?

            The thought crossed my mind as I was editing my post to include the ‘trade’ facilitated by the Four Freedoms, but in true Bojo-style, I ran out of time on the already generous 15 minutes allowed.


  6. chrisH says:

    The BBCs news stories at 6pm were all fake.
    1. Trumps lawyer secretly records him-how is THAT possible in the land of the free? Doesn`t the BBC know what this leads to?
    As if.
    2. Gaza-not enough Israelis killed to justify them fussing over Hamas.
    3. Smart meters-what? Might be a scam then? Here`s Grant Shapps to muse for you.
    4. Spain-divisive new conservatives there seem unhappy at peace talks between the new nice Socialists-and The Catalonian Independence movement. The right are divisive you see-got that?

    Wall to wall lying shit.
    Oh Lord-Dick and Dom on after-they wanted to be Bottom, love Ant and Dec and aspire to such heights-Clive Anderson seems pleased.
    Beam me up FFS!


  7. Terminal Moraine says:

    “Ethiopian ‘prophet’ arrested after trying to resurrect corpse”.

    Currently on the top 10 most read, but why does the BBC report this obscure non-event? Because the subtext is that Christianity is just plain weird and deranged. Rather than include a video (readily available elsewhere) which boringly shows some Ethiopian bloke shouting on top of a coffin — their banner image is instead a painting of Christ raising Lazarus from the dead.

    Compare and contrast with their probing coverage of other ‘madcap’ japes motivated by other religious scriptures. Other faiths and scriptures that the beeb would have us believe offer entirely rational and life-affirming practices to all.

    And which version of the Resurrection of Lazarus did the BBC go with… Giotto’s? Rembrandt’s? Caravaggio’s? Nope, it’s a version in the Mosque Cathedral of Cordoba — also known as the Great Mosque of Córdoba due to a rich and, err… ‘diverse’ history.

    Top notch undermining from the beeb.

    *NB* Spanish Muslims have been lobbying the Catholic Church to allow them to pray there; two security guards were seriously injured in 2010 during a fight with Muslims who wanted to pray in the cathedral.


  8. MarkyMark says:

    hat if I said a man could sit on a train floor and fool everyone.
    What if I said a man could go to an Al Quds march and no one would notice or report on it.
    What if I said a man could sell a beetroot using capitalism and say it was socialism.
    What if I said a man could sit as the leader of the opposition and back two groups that hate the UK.
    What if I said that man was Jeremy Corbyn.


  9. MarkyMark says:

    Thee haughty tyrants ne’er shall tame:
    All their attempts to bend thee down,
    Will but arouse thy generous flame;
    But work their woe, and thy renown.
    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
    “Britons never will be slaves.”



  10. thirdoption says:

    At 3.50pm next Sunday afternoon on BBC1 is RideLondon which the BBC describe as a race around London involving “150 of the world’s leading male cyclists.”


    At 3pm, the same afternoon, ITV1 are showing live coverage of the final stage of the Tour de France in Paris, which actually does contain the top 150 male cyclists.

    Oh dear BBC, more lies and fake news.


  11. Roland Deschain says:

    The BBC’s weird obsession with all things transgender continues unabated.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, no one gives a damn.


    • JamesArthur says:

      And in the world of people like me who watch these films and tv programmes – we get pissed off with these ‘right on’ PC idiots ruining the genre….FFS…transgender – superboygirl…
      The Black Panther movie (which the BBC promoted) – was heavily promoted on the back of Black and African heritage – went virtually straight to DVD…doesn’t that tell the PC brigade something about the audience..so why the BBC think the transgender superhero is worthy of news is beyond me…


      • BRISSLES says:

        James, couldn’t agree with you more. Its bad enough trying to winkle out a half decent film since the Millennium, amongst all the dross of teenage humour and comic book heroes, without having ladyboys thrown into the mix.

        At the risk of making an ‘echo’ comment, I would re-iterate that alongside Talking Pictures, there is also Retro films that are of a time when men were men and women were women.


    • cromwell says:

      I made a complaint to bbc last weekend about wall to wall coverage of protest about president trumps visit and hardly any mention of pro trump march on the Sunday I got the usual cut and paste reply but was asked if I would give my views on the reply I got . So I did and they got another dose of my anger and at the end of the questions was a tick box to ask my age and what category of human being I was I was tempted to say I was from planet zog but I left it blank as it was immaterial to them then I got a last question to ask if I was gay lgbt etc what the f*** has that do with anything they are obsessed and I told them so.


  12. thirdoption says:

    Sky news are doing their very best to out-BBC the BBC when it comes to fake news and garbage reporting.

    Their headline this morning is “Something really nasty is on the rise in America”


    It then goes on to list some appalling crimes by white people against black people, including:-

    1) The white man harassing a woman because of her Puerto Rico shirt.
    2) The white man threatening to call Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to report Spanish-speaking employees at a restaurant in New York.
    3) The black family challenged by a white neighbour over the use of their community’s swimming pool.

    I think we can all agree these are truly shocking hate crimes, much worse than the mild, inoffensive crimes committed by blacks such as violent robbery and stabbing people to death which Sky seem to have accidently omitted from their report.

    Send all white people to prison I say, just for being white.


    • scribblingscribe says:

      I also read that in disbelief.

      The hatred of the liberal intelligentsia, such as Sky/BBC/Guardian, against indigenous UK people, or the deplorables isn’t mentioned and isn’t in his mind when he talks about growing hate crimes.

      Think of how they all these news sources pretended that the white British people had murdered a polish man because of Brexit. This deceit was continued by these ‘news’ organisations for a year before quietly slipping under the radar when the court case revealed the truth.

      The hatred and contempt against Trump, or indeed any party with which the liberal media do not agree, is appalling. It maybe harming democracy.

      The liberal elite is in shock as the world turns on them. Not just in the US under trump, but all over Europe too. I honestly don’t think they understand what is happening, hence they shout about the stupid, ‘the right’ and hatred.

      Greg Milam makes the mistake of thinking that questioning mindless, unvetted immigration is hateful. The Muslim who planted the Parsons Green bomb was invited into this country as a child asylum seeker. Clearly, he is anything other than a child. He told the panel overseeing his application that, it was his “duty to hate Britain”, that he had been “trained to kill”, that his training “was all religious based” and included weeks spent in in an ISIS camp teaching him how to murder unbelievers.

      Greg, it is not wrong to question whether people like the Parson Green bomber should be allowed into the country. It is common sense and shows concern for the safety and well being of our citizens – including Sky journalists.


      • Banania says:

        Several times recently people have alluded on tv to the great surge in hate crimes after the referendum result. Despite the fact that it was shown not to have happened, they keep doing it, and are not contradicted.


    • vlad says:

      Remember the Knoxville murders? Black gang kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered a white couple for days, finally bleaching them while still alive and dumping their bodies in rubbish bags where they suffocated to death.
      The story was completely ignored by the msm.
      Imagine the furore had the colours been reversed.
      Black Lives Matter, a bit more than whites it seems.


  13. taffman says:

    Who voted for this chap ? How much was his bonus ? Is his job to get us out of the Europe Union or trying to keep us in?


    • Guest Who says:

      Does he have back pain?


      • LastChanceSaloon says:

        Back pain?
        WE have stab-in-the-back pain.
        Many calls for May to go.
        Many assurances that she will after the recess.
        I want to know why her treasonous head is not rolling down Tower Hill so we can use it for football practise.


    • taffman says:

      The ship to freedom is leaving, do you want to stay onboard or leave, there is no in between.
      The politicians are not listening to us, the people that voted them into their jobs.

      Al Beeb does not support the result of the referendum. Vote fort the party that fought to get us out .
      Vote https://www.ukip.org


    • john in cheshire says:

      I’m sure in times gone by the application form for employment in the civil service asked if the applicant was a communist, or a member of the communist party. I also thought they carried out background checks of potential employees, certainly for higher levels. So how did a known communist get through the selection process, and how was he appointed to such a prominent position in the government? Are communists now welcome into positions of power? Or is it more sinister than lax vetting policies?


  14. Doublethinker says:

    An uplifting story in the Times this morning about the BBC viewing figures. Apparently since 2010 there has been a drop of 30% plus in the amount of time that people under 55 watch the BBC. In the under 35 age group it’s even higher. Only in the over 65’s is there an increase in viewing.
    I assume that this reduction in BBC viewers will in some way translate into fewer people paying the LF . Also over 75’s don’t pay the LF and so even as people live longer the BBC gets no increase in income.
    Of course the BBC response will eventually be to demand an increase in the LF or a subsidy for the ‘ vital’ service they provide. But slowly but surely the country is being weaned off Auntie.
    Now is the time for the political centre right to launch news provision across the spectrum of outlets and to resist all forms of internet censorship.


  15. taffman says:

    Despite Al Beeb’s fudge, propaganda, smoke and mirrors, this is what we were asked …………….

    Remain a member of the European Union.
    Leave the European Union?


  16. G says:

    Police tyranny. It gets worse by the day. At least its slowly preparing the public for what they will have to live with under islam and sharia law in this country. However, I can assure anyone islam and sharia will be much worse than any abuse the police currently exercise. It will be impossible to distinguish religious police from any other member of the public despite all, no doubt, wearing gowns by then.

    Apparently, this incident cost Thames Valley Police £3000 in compensation. Ultimately, taxpayers financed that from the tax money-tree whether it be from an insurance fund where the premium is paid via taxes.


    • Old Goat says:

      “Fiction-writing skills”

      As an ex-Met officer from many years ago, I can confirm that, even then, writing skills of any variety were rarely witnessed.


    • G.W.F. says:

      Bad man from Britain First harassed on release from prison.
      Don’t expect any respect for the law from Sajid Javid -peace be upon him – the Home Secretary who is using the police to advance the interests of his own kind.


      • StewGreen says:

        This info about Jayda pops up on Twitter


        • Kaiser says:

          im not sure these are the kind of people you can keep quiet indefinitely


        • Eddy Booth says:

          Cannot see her licence conditions just a sprawling twitter page.
          If I didn’t like the probation conditions I’d stay in prison, cost the government more too.


          • StewGreen says:

            Lazy ?
            If you click the pic , then it opens the tweet, then you click the pic again and it opens the image one by one (use your left right arrows)
            Here anyways


            • Nibor says:

              Before in better times it was illegal for an alien to partake in any political activity .

              Now foreigners can and British can’t .


  17. Deborah says:

    I am just listening to a wonderful piece of Mozart at the moment on Classic FM as I eat my Sunday breakfast. Now the BBC is obsessed this year at the Proms for having music by women composers. If women wrote things as wonderful as this adagio, I would be delighted, but I haven’t heard any. Actually I don’t care what gender a composer is (maxy note I used the correct word for snowflakes and didn’t say ‘sex’) as long as the music is great. It is the BBC that is genderist (have I invented a new but necessary word.)


    • G says:

      ‘Mozart’? is he a BAME or any of the Heinz 57 varieties of trans artists or, perhaps rap? Could the BBC re-write history to make him so………..


    • Tabs says:

      For the first time ever I saw the BBCs Infinite Monkey Cage on the interactive channel 601 yesterday. Presented by Prof Brian Cox and overall not a bad programme…..until….

      …one guest said “I think it’s great we are now seeing lots of famous non-white male scientists”. The looks on the faces of all the white male scientists on the programme were a picture.

      Just like a composer it doesn’t matter what the skin colour is of a famous scientist. But in this PC gone mad world pharmaceutical companies will start employing their BAME quota of scientists regardless of their ability to do science. Likewise the BBC Proms will become an instant switch off as they start finding transgender lesbian composers.


      • Kaiser says:

        Prof Brian Cox the only thing he ever discovered was fame


        • john in cheshire says:

          Not forgetting the rictus grin, which is a key part of his trademark gormless look.


  18. JamesArthur says:

    Did anyone see the Breakfast interview with Virgin Media and UKTV..
    Apparently – according the the BBC interviewer – the dispute is between UKTV and Virgin. It was quietly pointed out that the BBC are a part owner of UKTV then that never got mentioned again.

    UKTV have withdrawn 10 channels from Virgin ( free to air channels) and want money for them – What wasn’t explained is that it is the BBC who are demanding the money and placing the restrictions- the other party who own UKTV (Discovery) are not…
    Now in my mind all Virgin customers pay a TV licence – so why shouldn’t they get free channels that the BBC own and are free to air anyway?
    The BBC are trying to extract more money for things WE have paid for…but not telling the whole story..again….


    • Beeb Brother says:

      It is so infuriating. You get the gist of the story via the BBC but have to go elsewhere to discover the facts.

      Throughout all their whining about being underpaid they never mentioned how spectacularly bad at their jobs they are. The regional ‘news’ is generally a prolonged story about something fluffy which fits their agenda; anything that fits their narrow, alt-Left world is milked and ramped up to eleven – with multiple interviews, emotional pulls etc – whilst anything else is downplayed or memory holed. A news organisation should not be allowed to just down tools and stop reporting reality as it might ‘offend’ someone.

      It would be so great if Marr finished his interview with Gemma Arteton by telling her to get her tits out.

      Major on now. They will set him up to say some anti EU zinger then lead news reports with it all day. They are such bastards. No leaver would ever be given such a springed platform.


    • Old Goat says:

      Ah, but their argument will be that many Virgin cattle passengers are visiting foreigners, who do not pay the BBC licence tax in their own countries, and are, therefore, fair game. They also consider many of the travelling toerags to be licence dodgers, too, so milk ’em that way, instead.


  19. Tabs says:

    Andrew Marr had ex PM John Major on for the 1000th time so we could his his views, yet again, on why Brexit must be stopped without any interruption from Marr.

    At one point Marr said to Major, “Jacob Rees Mogg says you are a failed PM”.

    Major replied, “I never listen to what Rees Mogg has to say”.

    Marr let that comment go totally unchallenged. Surely an ex PM saying we must stop Brexit whilst also saying he doesn’t listen to the most vocal Brexiter in Parliament should have a slightly hard time on the Marr show?!?


    • gb123 says:

      John Major. The man who presided over the loss of 100 Conservative seats and the biggest landslide victory for Labour and Tony Blair.
      No wonder Marr loves him.
      Soon to be repeated by Treezer unless things change.


  20. Tabs says:

    Sunday Morning Live (BBC1 10am) straight into their usual anti white crap. First 2 guests are Pakistani or Indian to talk about fashion.


  21. taffman says:

    Al Beeb and the rest of the media is almost ‘full to the top’ of Liberal Remainers. Hence all the anti-Brexit broadcasts over the last two years.


  22. Dover Sentry says:

    Our BBC. Has it EVER, EVER said anything positive about Brexit?


    I’m sure they’d have something positive to say about a comet about to hit our planet in order to give their renown ‘balanced’ and ‘impartial’ view.


    • taffman says:

      Dover Sentry
      “Our BBC. Has it EVER, EVER said anything positive about Brexit?”
      Interestingly, I have already put that question to our resident troll maxincony.
      I am looking forward to his answer……….


    • Guest Who says:

      Not if they know what is good for them.


      • Guest Who says:

        Love that the bbc, the £4b bbc, the 20,000 staff bbc, will get around to things when staff come in.


  23. taffman says:

    800 so called ‘White Helmets’ (and their families) will be on the way to the UK shortly ?
    Vote or support ……………


    • flake says:

      I don’t think they are all coming here. Even if they did its a drop in the ocean among all the other migrants you won’t even notice them, unless they keep their helmets on


    • G.W.F. says:


      Jo’s boys, if you know what I mean


      • john in cheshire says:

        Vanessa Beeley has the measure of these fakes. We don’t need them and we don’t want them in our country.


    • davylars says:



  24. theisland says:

    Just heard an ex-pat in France calling NF on LBC bemoaning the fact that our civil servants have, under the radar, continued to sign up to various elements of the EU ‘defence union’.
    NF seemed rather disinterested and not very concerned. Why not Nigel?


  25. taffman says:

    “For the avoidance of doubt, the Chequers Plan gives swathes of defence decision-making to the EU, ”
    Scrap the Chequers Plan by voting ………………………


    • theisland says:

      My red lines:
      Borders, Territorial Waters, Defence (and no ECJ obviously).

      But we only ever hear about Trade (yes, big business).


      • flake says:

        Its a ‘trade deal’ that this country should be negotiating with the EU, nothing else. That’s the point, they want political/legal/ideological compliance but we only want trade. When the vote came in as ‘leave’, the government should have set out negotiating with other countries and trading blocs including the EU, for trade, nothing else. That’s 2 years down the toilet. They have let the country down and should get the boot.


        • Eddy Booth says:

          The government hasn’t even started preliminary trade talks with any country.
          We have no trade deal negotiators of our own ,as we rely on the EUs , and no job adverts for trainees have appeared..
          So I guess after ‘Brexit’ we will continue to let the EU negotiate the trade deals , for say Australian dairy, and we will get our % allocated .


  26. StewGreen says:

    The news headline “It’s believed they have a tape Cohen made talking to Trump about a playboy model” is just PR for Democrats
    and advert paid for by the money Team Hillary put into the BBC.

    It only becomes news if they play the flippin tape, otherwise it’s just speculation. It’s the non-existent peegate tape again.

    The truth behind it may cover a range of possible circumstances eg Trump wanted to pay off a malicious person who falsely claimed she’d slept with him
    or he had had sex with her in reality etc. etc.
    However none of them are seriously illegal; it’s not like he raped her etc.
    ‘Oh but the payoff was an undeclared election expense’
    doh doesn’t really matter $100K or something in a billion dollar election.
    Oh Trump, years ago you had a reputation as a playboy , now it seems that you might have had an extra-marital affair ‘
    ..So what didn’t he have an affair with his second wife whilst married to the first ?


    • Eddy Booth says:

      ”What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their own business”
      seems only to apply to homos


  27. tvlicensingblog says:

    New from the BBC TV Licensing Blog this week:
    TV Licensing: Prosecution is Last Resort
    Cliff Wins BBC Privacy Case


  28. Guest Who says:


    • flake says:

      He didn’t tackle why the police and BBC did this. Working together, they took an opportunity to publicly wipe the slate clean of their failures regarding Savile and others by exposing an obvious pedo, in their minds. They failed monumentally, heads should roll.


      • Eddy Booth says:

        Cliff was targeted because he is seen as a closest gay- a heinous crime in the homo world.
        The bent community having won all their battles against normal society are now turning on themselves …


  29. StewGreen says:

    lecy bills : FIT overspend by Paul Homewood
    FIT = special high Feed In Tariffs to support renewableslike wind/solar built by rich people
    Generally about 2.5 times the wholesale cost of conventional power
    Government 2020 target was £440m = £16 per household/year
    Been bit of an over allocation so
    Now projected 2020 to be £1600m = £59 per household/year

    But that’s not all there are other green taxes
    So £13.9bn a year by 2022-23 for overall Environmental Levies and RHI costs

    27.2 millions households in the UK
    £13900 million/27.2mn = £511 per household/year


    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew, helpful info. Thanks.

      That’s why we cannot compete with the Chinese.


  30. john in cheshire says:

    Has the far-left bbc cover this subject? I’d have thought it would be right up their… street.


    My response is that if the complainers are Christians, then they know it’s sinful. If they aren’t Christian, what do they care what the Bible teaches. So, why do these people get their knickers in a twist about what Jesus Christ teaches? Can it be that deep down they know they are sinners and salvation only comes through Jesus Christ but it’s too painful for them to acknowledge the truth?


  31. thirdoption says:

    An amusing piece from Rod Liddle in the Sunday Times (pay-walled) where he reports on the sheer stupidity of the whole transgender nonsense:-

    “………..you can buy a T-shirt from Amazon. On the front of it is written, in rainbow colours: “There are more than two genders.” Scroll down and you’ll find that there is a choice of precisely two fittings — for men or women.”


  32. StewGreen says:

    Another payout due to Crimebodge
    The Met Police LGBT group took it upon themselves to pillory a guy on Twitter cos they assumed his asking a question about gays on the Olympic team , proves he’s homophobic
    They added intimidation by giving his wife’s firstname
    (They mention “Open Source” there’s a Metropolitan Police’s open source intelligence unit, so it looks like they used a police computer system to look up a tweeters details
    thats a ..breach of data protection)

    … After 18 months the Met legal dept paid him£2750


  33. Fedup2 says:

    The Sunday soros

    Haven’t had much exposure to al beeb today – except for a painfully biased piece on the Sunday news which was themed on a second brexit vote. I’ve seen that the Sunday lefty papers ( as I all newspapers now as far as I am concerned ) are airing the idea of article 50 being suspended or put back.

    250 days to brexit and the soros remainer machine is still pushing out news] threats . I suppose the weekly shortage of this and that because of brexit will really get going soon … and the upcoming “ is this the last Christmas “ nonsense as WTO trading means the end of the world as we know it.

    I like the lie about Uk citizens needing a permit in the EU to drive . I dread to think how many millions? Of EU citizens with EU licences will be taken of the road as a result in the UK.

    I saw that ‘maxi’ turned up doing a ‘fact check ‘ type thing to antagonise people … if anyone has views with this troll should be taken off the site please let me know. Your views are welcome too Maxicony .


    • taffman says:

      Don’t take him off , I am still waiting for his opinion and answers on Al Beeb’s anti Brexit bias and the Cliff Richard debacle . What about maxincony?


      • wronged says:

        I agree with Taffman, don’t take him off. Only consider it if he/she is offensive. About two/three years ago I took a few people off as the site was becoming infested with trolls. If they provided a valid point of view, certainly not one I agreed with, I took no action. God knows how much we badly need alternative views on this site.
        I would however be strong in protecting new posters from the likes of maxicony. I failed to do so once and I feel we lost a very good poster because of it. felt very bad about and emailed the poster and told him so.

        I have recently considered leaving the site for a while as I feel it is fast becoming an echo chamber.
        This site needs alternative arguments without any recourse to abuse.
        When I volunteered to help police the site. I preferred to use a light touch in attempting to help control this site,keeping a low profile, however Fedup 2 you will have your own style which may work for you.


    • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

      Thank you for consulting us FedUp. I have to be careful here as I was attacked by an obnoxious character on this site who called me Maxi’s bum boy for objecting to a one of his calls for the murder of an individual. As I had posted quite a few criticisms of maxi from the first time he came on I found this hilarious. I have also been called a Lib Dem, a Russian Troll and various other insults.( I did not report any of them)
      Anyway, despite this I want to come to Maxi’s defence here.
      I think he is a small price to pay and in some ways keeps us on our toes. It pays to know the weaknesses in our arguments or sometimes the weakness in the way we express them. I have said before that he is like a crocodile waiting in the creek for the careless and foolish to make a slip. A lot of the time he does twist words and quote things out of context but I see that as good political training for us as we can get too complacent talking among ourselves. And it is such sport refuting him! So unless he really steps out of line I would not go for a ban.
      However, he did make uncalled for and repeated attacks on Alan and it may be he will try it on you Fedup as you are the chief now. So if you think he’s doing that you would be right to take him off.

      Anyway thems me thoughts.


      • taffman says:

        Y D
        Hear, hear.
        Besides, it proves that this forum is an open one.
        Now then maxincony, can you give us any example of Al Beeb right wing bias? Or even offer us an example of a positive article about Brexit?


      • Fedup2 says:

        Wronged , taff, yas ,
        Thanks for the view –
        It was a quiet Sunday so I thought I’d just float the view . I don’t consider meself to be chief here as I’d always refer taking someone off to the Higher Command!

        I agree that some trolls due perform a kind of “ parasite” function of keeping us on our toes and exploiting sometimes emotional views against them

        Maxi – you ll probably get off on being discussed and I’m guessing you ll stay silent / ignore this discussion and go find another cut and paste victim to make you feel good about yourself . for me – I’d just like someone to tell me why the BBC is not biased and evidence it with evidence of real balance – even a ‘ one off’

        Light touch it be then

        This mini thread might be lost as I’m about to put the Start the week thread “ up – maybe max will be first ( again ) on that …


  34. StewGreen says:

    via PaulH
    “At the end of every BBC News Report, it says”

    I see the lefty skwawkbox adapted it


  35. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Diversity at work


    • Eddy Booth says:

      I’m calling bullshit on this story
      The kid probably got splashed accidentally with some product the store sold.
      Why show a photo of 3 badly dressed men ,either gays or East Europeans?
      Or Maybe one was eating a kebab covered in chili sauce etc,


  36. StewGreen says:

    Cavalier Elon MUsk settles copyright breach


  37. Wild Bill says:

    Sorry if this has been mentioned.

    The Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani, is set to visit Britain for a meeting with government Ministers, potentially including Prime Minister Theresa May next week,

    …..I look forward to Sadiq Khans big balloon of him in a nappy.

    Why do you think this hasn’t been in the media much, I can’t see anything on the BBC at all, and will there be big protest marches from the Left, seeing as how Qatar, whose population is 67.7% Muslim, strictly enforces Sharia law in many sections of its legislation, meaning women often have half the say of a man in court, homosexuality is punishable with the death penalty and stonings & lashings are lawful punishments for certain crimes.


    • Cooper_Man says:

      A country that is using modern-day slaves (kafala) to build its infrastructure – including the 2022 World Cup stadiums. In 2014 the death rate amongst Nepalese workers alone was one every two days.


  38. Fedup2 says:

    Apparently the local socialists are up on arms about the Lambeth Country Show ( honestly – a five star – mr or misnomer )
    For the first time the council of the socialist republic of Lambeth have erected a ‘trump wall’ around the venue and introduced ‘search arches’ for security – meaning the local communists can’t take their own booze in – as was tradition

    Apart from me gloating – someone was written ‘Lambeth concentration camp ‘ on the wall…… now I know kidults don’t know about history to to make such a comparison … is at least….distasteful and to many … offensive and perhaps …hateful .
    What has this country bred?


    • TrueToo says:


      What has this country bred?

      Seems people have been deliberately educated in how not to think. And so they’ll make mindless allusions to the greatest collective crime in human history, probably without even being aware of what they are doing and how incredibly insulting they are being to the victims of the Holocaust.


  39. Fedup2 says:

    Before Dom raab he was one of those unfortunate conservative backbenchers who had to face Andrew Neil over some government hicup or another ( was going to use a more forceful word ) . Got to admit – despite being a slippery lawyer – he was pretty good .
    Now it seems he it actually Taking On The ReichEU and reminding the no country Belgium shits in Brussels that we are Blighty and when it comes to it they have more to lose than us . Just hope to god he gets the blessing of Farage – and it’s not just public posturing .


  40. Beeb Brother says:

    They are hugely plugging Nadiya’s cookery programme, as it is final and absolute proof that multiculturalism is paradise. Someone with a head scarf has cooked some potatoes so everything wlll be fine.

    Just as a predicted they are leading without Major’s comments this morning. Key to the bias is what they choose to report on and whom they give a platform. There is only limited time and unlimited issues that might concern people or people who have something to say. Even with the best of intentions it impossible for any broadcaster to truly be balanced, and of course they do not have good intentions.

    Why do they ask morons on the street what their opinions are on the news? I could just go up the pub if I wanted that. Such a cop out.


    • Beeb Brother says:

      BBC London news is all about a ‘BBC investigation’ into fur coats. This is is not London news – just another excuse to wank on about a pet issue.


      • Up2snuff says:

        Pet issue? PET ISSUE!

        If our cat has been carved up for a fur coat, it won’t be a pet issue, it will be WAR!

        Despite what she did to the curtains in the Breakfast Room and the side of my favourite chair.


  41. Guest Who says:

    How can Euan tell?


    • TrueToo says:

      Guest Who,

      Sorry to be pedantic, but “gone rouge” would mean he’s been powdering his face.

      I think he meant gone rogue.


      • john in cheshire says:

        Or is ” gone rouge” a euphemism for perversions? You can’t tell when the far-left bbc is concerned.


        • TrueToo says:

          John in Cheshire,

          Don’t give the BBC ideas! They’ll use “gone rouge” as ammunition for their obsession to pummel white heterosexual males with more sexual diversity!


  42. tapwatertory says:

    I thought ‘gone rouge’ had something to do with gammon.


  43. Up2snuff says:

    Has anyone at the BBC asked today if Fran Unsworth has resigned?



    That speaks volumes about the BBC of today.


  44. Up2snuff says:

    I’ve been wittering on all week past about there being something funny about the forthcoming ‘hose-pipe ban’ for customers of the water company supplying north-west England’s inhabitants.


    It appears I may have been correct. The Beeb informed me this morning that a newspaper has discovered that the leaks from this company’s infrastructure outdo the likely savings from the ban by a x9 or x10 multiple.


    • taffman says:

      It also disguises the fact that the demand for water has increased considerably because of mass migration .


      • Up2snuff says:

        taffman, true but in the north west? Population now 7m, we were told.

        In 2011 it was just over 7m. Think I heard some time ago that in proportion to the rest of England, Manchester and its environs had a slightly shrinking population, despite the Beeb moving to Salford. The boom was pre-Crash and a bit after but despite property values still being below 2007, it has a flat popn. level.

        The Lakes and the Cumbrian coast may also help account for the decline.


  45. MarkyMark says:

    Between 1995 and 2010, the committee found an associated displacement of 160,000 British workers. For every additional one hundred immigrants, they estimated that 23 British workers would not be employed. {gov.uk dec2012}

    So, there is a ‘lump of labour’ fallacy in the immigration debate, but there is also a ‘zero displacement’ fallacy. And government must never again make the mistake of falling for it.

    – Theresa May. 2012


  46. Up2snuff says:

    Jonny Dymond’s halting, slightly Dalek-style, delivery on the World This Weekend (R4 1-1.30pm today) may prevent him actually winning the Mark Mardell Trophy for Bashing Brexit but he gave it such a good go at lunchtime that his Nomination must be secure.


  47. Nibor says:

    In re ; driving licences ( permits) to drive abroad .

    About twenty years ago the Powers That Be here decided to recognise the validity of HGV licences issued by ….. NORTH KOREA !?!

    If in doubt get the International Driving Permit issued by the AA or RAC at the entrance to Dover docks . Get the 1926 internationally agreed permit and the 1949 version .

    But as our driving licences are formatted by the EU and have the ring of stars on it why wouldn’t they recognise their own permit ?


  48. Guest Who says:

    Take the girl out of the bbc, but…


  49. Annunaki says:

    Our favourite black abbot has claimed it is “abhorrent and shameful” to allow two little black murdering torturing bastards to get proper justice via the USA …well done abbot what does she want ? really want ? maybe atrial where they can blame Jews that would serve the racist labour party well


  50. Chalkywhite says:

    Hello again!
    Isn’t it strange how selective the BBC is with the news it publishes, or the slant they put on it?
    Were they asleep when this one surfaced:

    They did however report:


    But, forgot to mention:


    There is no mention of any of this on their front page, but they’re still happy to keep this one going:


    Now, CityA.M. doesn’t receive taxpayers cash via involuntary licence fees, but it manages to pull these articles together somehow.

    Don’t care whether you’re pro or anti Brexit, labour or conservative, but how come our national broadcaster is so biased that the phrase ‘even handedness’ seems to elude them.

    Oh, they also published this:


    But it’s been so hidden that it is virtually impossible to find! Note the final sentence: “Whether you are on the UK side, or the Irish side, or the remain side, or the leave side… I don’t see anybody that wins from the suspension of air services.”