Midweek Open Thread 13th June 2018

Forget the trivia of freedom from the EU and the search for World Peace -there are more important things – the World Cup . Oh the Diversity . Enjoy the bread and circuses.

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716 Responses to Midweek Open Thread 13th June 2018

  1. Fred Stubber says:

    A friend, non-political, carefree sort of a chap, emailed
    me today and mentioned that he had drifted away from Radio 4, after half a lifetime, and was now mostly listening to LBC. Why?
    “I’m beginning to feel that I’m being spoonfed a certain way of looking at the world that isn’t really mine.”


    • Beeb Brother says:

      The decline of radio 4 is such a tragedy. I remember falling in love when I chanced upon it in my mid twenties, in awe of how fantastically intellectual and high brow it was.

      Now it is so dumbed down and the deliciously esoteric programmes about watch making or whatever have been usurped by SJW garbage, generally whinging about something or other. Apparently it was a ‘problem’ that not enough ‘minorities’ were listening to the station, though I see no problem in different groups preferring different things. Now they have alienated their core liststeners and I doubt many Rastafarians are going to switch from Kiss FM for the agony of hearing some posh woman moan she is not paid enough.


    • Woolwich says:

      I listened to LBC for the first time in months yesterday. Sheelagh Fogerty. I turned off and won’t be tuning in again any time soon 🙁


      • ID says:

        Very wise.
        LBC presenters are not the sharpest knives in the cutlery drawer.
        I was amazed a month? ago when Fatso Ferrari was doing a spot on recycling. Fatso was completey stumped when a manufacturer of window panes rang in to saby a lot of window pane trimmings and broken panes were recycled. “How do broken panes get turned in whole panes again” he pondered.
        He even ashed listeners to ring in to explain how this miracle could be performed!!!
        Midget Nawaaaaaz also thinks zygotes and foetuses. growing inside a human womb are not “human life”. BBC types at least can learn the lies they are meant to parrot with 100% accuracy – that’s what an oxbridge education does for you, but Midgit forgot the “sentient” bit in his crib sheet. A mother can’t bump off her 15 year old son because he’s “sentient human life” but a baby in a womb is fair game.
        Fogerthy is pro abortion on demand but is barely sentient so she had better not annoy her mother


      • Jagman84 says:

        Standard ‘Infiltrate and destroy from within’ tactics from the BBC. She didn’t drop out of favour with her previous employer. She was sent on manoeuvres, to get LBC ‘on message’. Obviously, they thought that Jobby wasn’t cutting it. He got a few Newsnight gigs as compensation.


      • Fred Stubber says:

        Well you are very foolish. LBC has a range of viewpoints, unlike the BBC, and it’s good to listen to them. Turning off because you don’t like what you hear, when the station allows all viewpoints, is not good.


  2. smoogie7 says:

    If I am correct then today is Prime Ministers Questions.

    What will probably happen is this:

    Corbyn asks stupid hard to answer questions. May replies to him and makes him look like a tit. Corbyn repeats the same questions a few times working on a theme. May continues to beat Corbyn down and put him in her place. Corbyn comes out with a witty reply but it blows up in his face when May’s reply is even more witty.

    In the end the Guardian (which is the BBC’s newsletter) and the other left wing rags will all claim that PMQs was another ‘victory’ for Corbyn wile some lefty twonk at the BBC will join in and highlight Corbyn’s witty comment in an online news report and present their opinion as fact, only highlighting half the story and leaving out the parts where Corbyn was incorrect on a number of issues.

    This said story will appear on the BBC’s website for all to see as a desperate attempt at keeping the Corbyn fire burning while new opinion polls will still show leads for the Tories much to the dismay of the BBC and their newsletters.

    Aside from this I am sure that the BBC will have other ways to present their own opinion as fact while someone in the background is wondering why their is a slow decline in the number of people signing up to a TV license!


    • Oaknash says:

      Smoogie – you are probably right because in BBC world these things matter.
      Unfortunately in the real world these things dont and while the Guardian reading BBC progressive droids try and keep us all concentrating on the the semantics and the oohs and aaahs of the political circus manned by amateur clowns, backstage we are all being sold down the river by a political class hellbent on keeping its advantages and easy life at the expense of our freedom of speech, freedom of expression, the innocence of our kids and our cultural integrity.
      I like to think of it this way. Both Labour and Tories are taking us towards the same distopian destination. But with the Tories they are just making a few more stops on the way. Dont be taken in by the likes of Mogg he is now just another busted flush and just as “frit” as the rest of the Tories when it comes to putting the Country ahead of party.
      The political class and the media have all but merged in a loose conspiracy to maintain globalist business as usual. And if you dont like it – well ask Tommy Robinson, Paul Golding and Jayda Francen what happens next.


      • Al Shubtill says:

        Spot on. Lab & Con just put into effect the policies the LibDumbs come up with, the Tories just more slowly and surreptitiously.


    • The General says:

      Well I disagree with your view that May will ‘tie him up in knots’ and that she will be ‘witty’. She is useless. Just remember what David Cameron used to do to the idiot Corbyn. He made him look like the useless moron he is. May stutters and stammers and continually fails to land telling blows. Do you know where she stands on Brexit ? I certainly have no faith in her.


  3. Scroblene says:

    Aaaah, the worl caaarp…

    As the last time I ever watched a football match was Luton v Watford in 1965, I’m really looking forward to listening to shrieking ‘commentators’, bellowing inane yelps and squeaking ‘pundits’ saying ‘you know’ every three seconds. I suppose Lineker will get a bonus or three for his amazing insight and brilliant wit – what’s ten-percent of a squillion…?

    The awful bbbc do all this with whizzy motor cars as well, expecting everyone to rise up and praise the Lord for such bravery, such – er – money an’ that!

    But of course, England will lose because of Brexit.


    • BRISSLES says:

      Scrobby – those were the days when all the players were home grown and white, with names we could pronounce (like tennis). I was the same – a huuge Spurs supporter in the days of Pat Jennings, but I could barely name even one of today’s players, most of whom are foreign and I bet couldn’t care less which team in the UK they play for as its only the money wot counts.


      • Scroblene says:

        ‘Fraid I’m feeling the same, Brissles.

        After the amazing revelation that Wronged uncovered (excellent work there Wronged), about Joe Public sponsoring Arsenal via Rwanda, I just give up on our useless politicians, who never put GB Inc first!

        Of course, all overseas aid is bribes to get arms etc sales, but what a farce! I don’t know if the bbbc picked up on the story, they usually hate Arsenal!


  4. gb123 says:

    I liked listening to the Brazilian commentators. They remind me of how the BBC works, totally one sided. Brazil score a goal and it is total ecstasy. The other side score a goal and barely a murmur. You wouldn’t even know a goal has been scored.
    Occasionally, if the goal is seen as being wrong a barrage of expletives heads to the opposition or the referee. Sounds like almost any BBC Question Time, morning sofa news, SJW documentary or soap opera.


    • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

      That sounds so similar to NZ rugby commentators


      • Beltane says:

        Apropos of which, to see them get poked by the French U-20’s last night was pure joy. A slim chance I know but perhaps they might begin to realise that sportsmanship plays a part in rugby – it’s what makes it a sport rather than simple attrition.


        • Captain Panick says:

          Onto the finals on Sunday in Beziers. 6 matches in one day. Looking forward to it, for all 12 teams. Now, could someone find this on the BBC? Mind you, the publicity in Beziers is not huge either. Tickets though sold out overnight as France made the final match. Got ours last week. We will be spotting the BBC reporter. Not much hope of finding one though judging by the coverage so far.


      • Scroblene says:

        Love the Aussie Rules commentators though, they really sound as though they’re enjoying the crunch of bone and tearing muscle!


    • Beeb Brother says:

      Ha – yeah that is spot on!


  5. Guest Who says:

    Is this why Nick Robinson is there?

    Meanwhile, the bbc is rushing Nadiya over to Singapore to help cnn topple the summit. Allegedly.


    • john in cheshire says:

      According to QAnon reports, all the negotiations happened some time ago, in China. What’s happening now is theatre for the media.

      Also, there are indications that the reason Kim Jong-Un is looking so pleased and relaxed is because President Trump has broken the grip that the CIA has had over North Korea for the past 60 or so years. The reports suggest that the Clowns In America have used the country as the hub for their illegal businesses including drug and other trafficking.


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      the bbc is rushing Nadiya over to Singapore to help cnn topple the summit
      Or as Marie Antionette might have said: “They want peace? Let them eat cake!”


  6. Guest Who says:

    Bbc retreats to the safe space of celeb trivia; does what the bbc does best.

    Comments on that headline…. could be going better.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Oh dear! “Stella McCartney: Meghan Markle’s evening dress ‘reflected her human side’ ”

      Is Stella McCartney going ‘a bit David Icke’? *

      Or are the BBC, putting their words in Stella’s mouth as a BBC Tweet?

      * IIRC, David Icke believes certain people who are prominent or achieve prominence are really Lizards cloaked in human features.


      • john in cheshire says:

        Is this an example of the old reporter trick:

        Reporter to interviewee: Would you say the dress reflects your human side?
        Interviewee to reporter: What? The dress reflects my human side?
        Report in the paper: Miss Markle says the dress reflects my human side.


      • Deborah says:

        Sadly Stella on Markle was all on the Today this morning. Today is rapidly turning into Hello magazine although i am not sure whether this is better or worse than just giving us slanted politics. Do they still do ‘puzzle of the day’? If they are doing so, i am managing to sleep through it.


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Reflected her human side? As opposed to her non-human side? Perhaps David Icke is right about them all being extraterrestrial lizards? Why is the BBC not investigating this in depth?
      P.S. You beat me to it, Up2snuff!


      • Up2snuff says:

        Ian, the other option is to consider Meghan Markle’s spiritual side. Think the generally agnostic and/or atheistic BBC would rather struggle with that or perhaps prefer not to mention it, especially as it raises issues about the Church of England and its links with our nation and its Monarchy.


  7. johnnythefish says:

    Reading the BBC’s coverage of the G7 meeting I am left with the impression of an irrational, insulting, arrogant, inflexible Trump bullying the nice, civilised, reasonable Europeans into making disadvantageous trade arrangements with the US based on Trump’s spurious claims over tariffs and the funding of NATO.

    Reading the BBC’s ongoing coverage of the Brexit negotiations I am not left with the impression that the Europeans (Juncker, Barnier, Merkel et al) are in any way irrational, insulting, arrogant or inflexible and nor do they make spurious claims – about anything.


  8. MarkyMark says:

    BBC Breakfast [email protected]:31 … “Almost 20% of the UK’s wild mammal species face a high risk of extinction according to a new report … the red squirrel, the wild cat and the water vowel are all listed as facing server threats for their survival. The blame being placed on the climate change, loss of habitat and the overuse of pesticides.”

    “Almost 20%” – rounded up to make it more exciting.
    “New report” – does not mention who created the report, people who want more money for another report.
    “Climate change” – yes it does.
    “Loss of habitat” – no mention of building houses for people due to mass immigration?
    “Pesticides” – will require more if less land available to grow food to maximise space and productivity.


    • Al Shubtill says:

      Isn’t it amazing in the knowledge of all that, the Green Party actually wants to increase immigration to the UK.


      • Guest Who says:

        It’s like they are more driven by left wing ideology over actual concern for the environment.


      • Kaiser says:

        its well known the greens were infiltrated and taken over by marxists the concern for the environment is just now a thin veneer covering for their real agenda

        Its why they are called water melons, green on the outside red on the inside


    • john in cheshire says:

      I hope not all the vowels become extinct, lol.


    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      In the case of the Red Squirrels.
      They were doing very nicely thank you until an immigrant race of grey squirrels arrived. These were more aggressive and started taking over the land where the red squirrels were living.

      Red flight.

      Now, the indigenous red squirrel looks to be going the way of the Aboriginee, Maori, red indians and other ‘enriched’ indigenous inhabitants.

      First they arrive.
      Then they form areas (ghettoes?) which they expand from.
      The locals leave.
      They take over and expand more.
      The locals retreat further.
      The ‘immigrant (grey squirrels for example) then take over completely.
      Bye bye indigenous.
      Oh, and those happy to see this takeover were also exterminated.


      • taffman says:

        “Factors such as climate change, loss of habitat, use of pesticides and disease are to blame, the report said.”
        Climate change – rubbish!
        Look what’s hidden…………..
        Couched among the dross is “loss of habitat”. That’s more and more immigration means more and more houses, schools, roads etc etc .
        There is you threat.


        • Banania says:

          Another factor must be the sterilization of vast tracts of land by modern agricultural methods. If we were free of the EU we could change all that.


    • Deborah says:

      Mr D pointed out that the species increasing in numbers, according to this report, all turn out to be predators. Might the two things be related? Shame the report cannot state the obvious.

      A wildlife bill was introduced some years back in the UK which made the job of game keepers as controllers of magpies, badgers etc near impossible. I for one now have crows and magpies living in my garden. I no longer have swallows and housemartens because the bloody large birds have eaten them. We had a lovely clay nest that house martens built, full of chicks until one morning we went out, chicks on the ground dead and a large hole in the nest made by the magpie. But the BBC would never report that sort of thing, much more PC to claim it was Climate Change that did it.


      • ToobiWan says:

        I had two Blackbird nests and a Dunnock nest on my estate, all hatched OK judging by the number and frequency of feeding trips. The other day there was a cacophony of alarm calls from both the sets of parents who were a bit annoyed at having their fledglings pinched by a couple of Magpies. And they wonder about the decline in songbirds and blame it on everything, climate change, loss of habitat, cats, et al whilst overlooking the bloody obvious.
        There has also been a decline in the number of swans recently and they cannot explain this either, possibly, they say, down to where they over winter suffering due to, you’ve guessed it, climate change. Swans are a delicacy in parts of Eastern Europe .
        But not according to the Guardian, who helpfully dispel a lot of the nasty things that immigrants are supposed to do.


        • Al Shubtill says:

          At Chateau Shubtill we’ve had a pair of Bullfinches with two fledglings, that managed to survive the predations of Maggies and Jays; they nested in a large Leylandii hedge that they were very careful how they entered and exited, so as not to give away the location of the nest to any watchful eyes.

          I once saw a Crow hide a crust of bread in the top of the hedge, shoving it down as far as it could; then a Magpie came but didn’t have the same reach as the Crow, so much to its frustration couldn’t retrieve it.

          I’ve seen a group of Magpies kill another smaller of their kind, continuously harrying and attacking it, they are a completely ruthless predator.


    • Scronker says:

      When I were a lad some 60 year ago the ‘experts’ were banging on then that our wild life will be extinct in 20 years etc. etc. if we didn’t change our ways.


    • Beltane says:

      I loved the markedly anti Burl Ives lookalike in his hunting safari suit who blamed all the losses on ‘killing’, farming and climate change. Oddly, he overlooked the primary cause for the massive decline in water vole numbers: the mink – one of natures most voracious killers released into the wild by those he admires so much, and the disastrous effects of Grey squirrels on Red squirrel numbers. Still, best to blame the Tory elite, eh?


    • Jagman84 says:

      Better still, lets have a lot more CO2, not less, so the food grows quicker and more often. More food = lower prices = less food poverty. Think in a similar vein for fracking….


  9. Oaknash says:

    One for everyone’s diary. March for Brexit 23rd June, Whitehall. Look at Katie Hopkins etc. Dont try and find it on google though, pages and pages of anti brexit demo guff.
    Strange anyone would think that our internet provider doesnt want anyone to know about it.


  10. Grant says:

    BBC Website ” Win-win or a Kim win “. No question of a Trump win. Trump has negotiated many big business deals. What has Kim ever negotiated ? Er, nothing. Anyone might think the BBC was biased.

    I recently read “The Art of the Deal ” by Donald Trump. Now a bit out -of-date but he is no fool.


    • Guest Who says:

      Yes, that other option did not even occur to them.

      Or, if it did, career ambitions kicked in.


    • Beeb Brother says:

      Yeah I read that. If you have lived in the world he has and made that much money politics must seem a doddle in comparison, especially when you have such a strong hand like the US. The problem with so many politicians, especially the liberals, is they have barely had a paper round between them. How could Obama give the exact date he was planning to get out of Iraq? Obviously the enemy would recede then regroup after that date, which created ISIS.


  11. johnnythefish says:

    Is it just me, or has the BBC spent far more broadcasting time and web space covering Arron Banks’ alleged collusion with Russian agents than it ever did with the meetings between Corbyn and Czech spies?

    Or maybe I’ve got it wrong and the coverage was roughly equal, just that in Corbyn’s case it was largely spent trying to excuse or extricate him.


  12. Guest Who says:

    ‘It’s what you don’t say’.

    Yup. They really don’t do irony.

    Going the route Sky did yesterday and got hammered for is quite social mind.


  13. Guest Who says:

    In answer to your question bbc, reading the daft story copy, it seems pretty clear. Desperate much?


    • Guest Who says:

      The bbc weighs in…


    • Guest Who says:

      Plus what bbc report would be complete without the impartial ‘analysis’ of a bbc US correspondent whose views are not those of the bbc. Apparently.


      • Guest Who says:

        BBC seems exercised by things not being mentioned.



        • Holly Selassie says:

          What Trump and Kim won`t talk about.
          1. How much “Fergie Time” old Ferguson has got left.
          2. The decline of Ski Yoghurt, blackberry flavour since 1969.
          3. Were you a Rubettes girl or a Showaddywaddy lad?
          4. How come Steve Strange died early, but Gary Numan is still here?

          Here are MORE things that Kim and Trump didn`t talk about too BBC.
          And any of them are no more stupid than what you`re telling us is important, you thick muppets.
          And one final question Minister?
          Boney M or R.E.M? And here`s Laura Kuennsberg to tell us what this answer means for Brexit and for Hillsborough Victims.

          #Flee Winnie Mandela!#


      • Holly Selassie says:

        Anthony Zurcher “breaks down”?
        Like the rest of the BBC , who are also breaking down.
        They`d melt down if they thought that ocean depths wouldn`t rise by their doing so.
        They are totally unhinged, who even listens to them?
        Just Council chumps and public sector whingers. Mostly on the sick, retiring and STILL moaning at Film Club or Choirs.
        Brexit can`t come soon enough. Put them out of our misery.


  14. MarkyMark says:

    BBC Breakfast @07:30 “… the purpose of this is to PROTECT US from CRASHING OUT with NO DEAL and COMPLETE CLIFF EDGE and all the CHAOS that would ensue. Which we believe would be very harmful, not just for the economy but to things that matter to people in their everyday lives.
    – Sarah Wollaston MP (Con)

    “to protect us” – US being everyone, not just EU pensions?
    “CRASHING OUT” – fear.
    “NO DEAL” – but their is always WTO, so this is a lie.
    “COMPLETE CLIFF EDGE” – not just a cliff edge, the COMPLETE one. Much more fearful.
    “CHAOS” – 700 days and still in the EU!
    “things that matter” – this covers everything to everyone so is a useless statement. 1% taxes that Juncker stole? Mass immigration forced by Merkel? Forcing Greece into destitution? Aiding the trafficking of humans from Africa?



    • Banania says:

      Wollaston does that infuriating and condescending simpering as she speaks: “Nobody voted to become poorer.” She is like an infant school mistress.


  15. Dystopian says:

    Interesting comment taken from Breitbart…

    aveOurNation said:

    →The “Shoe Bomber” was a Muslim.

    →The Beltway Snipers were Muslims.

    →The Fort Hood shooter was a Muslim.

    →The USS Cole bombers were Muslims.

    →The “Underwear Bomber” was a Muslim.

    →The Madrid train bombers were Muslims.

    →The Times Square bomber was a Muslim.

    →The Bali nightclub bombers were Muslims.

    →The London subway bombers were Muslims.

    →The Moscow theater attackers were Muslims.

    →The Boston Marathon bombers were Muslims.

    →The Iranian Embassy takeover was by Muslims.

    →The Pan-Am Flight#103 bombers were Muslims.

    →The Air France Entebbe hijackers were Muslims.

    →The Beirut US Embassy bombers were Muslims.

    →The Libyan US Embassy attack was by a Muslim.

    →The Buenos Aires suicide bombers were Muslims.

    →The Kenyan US Embassy bombers were Muslims.

    →The Israeli Olympic Team attackers were Muslims.

    →The Saudi Khobar Towers bombers were Muslims.

    →The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims.

    →The Beslan Russian school attackers were Muslims.

    →The Achille Lauro cruise ship attackers were Muslims.

    →The 1993 World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims.

    →The Bombay and Mumbai India attackers were Muslims.

    →The September 11th, 2001, airplane hijackers were Muslims.

    →The killer of Presidential Candidate Bobby Kennedy (D) was a Palestinian.

    Think of it:

    Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem

    Hindus living with Christians = No Problem

    Hindus living with Jews = No Problem

    Christians living with Shintos = No Problem

    Shinto living with Confucians = No Problem

    Confucians living with Baha’is = No Problem

    Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem

    Jews living with Atheists = No Problem

    Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem

    Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem

    Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem

    Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem

    Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem

    Christians living with Jews = No Problem

    Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem

    Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem

    Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem

    Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem

    Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

    Muslims living with Hindus = Problem

    Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem

    Muslims living with Christians = Problem

    Muslims living with Jews = Problem

    Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem

    Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem

    Muslims living with Shintos = Problem

    Muslims living with Atheists = Problem


    The Arabs are not happy!

    They’re not happy in Gaza.

    They’re not happy in Egypt

    They’re not happy in Libya.

    They’re not happy in Morocco.

    They’re not happy in Iran.

    They’re not happy in Iraq.

    They’re not happy in Yemen.

    They’re not happy in Afghanistan.

    They’re not happy in Pakistan.

    They’re not happy in Syria.

    They’re not happy in Lebanon.

    So, where are they happy?

    They’re happy in England.

    They’re happy in France.

    They’re happy in Italy.

    They’re happy in Germany.

    They’re happy in Norway.

    They’re happy in every country that is not Muslim.

    And who do they blame?

    Not Islam.

    Not their leadership.

    Not themselves.


    And they want to change the countries they’re happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy!


    Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists are so quick to commit suicide.

    Let’s have a look at the evidence:

    No Christmas.

    No television.

    No nude women.

    No football.

    No pork chops.

    No hotdogs.

    No burgers.

    No beer.

    No bacon.

    Rags for clothes.

    Towels for hats.

    Constant wailing from some idiot in a tower.

    More than one wife.

    More than one mother-in-law.

    The female’s genitals are mutilated.

    You can’t shave.

    Your wife can’t shave.

    You can’t wash off the smell of donkey.

    You wipe your #$%$ with your hand.

    You cook over burning camel sheeet.

    Your wife is picked by someone else.

    Your wife smells worse than your donkey.

    Then they tell you that “when you die, it all gets better”.

    No sheeet Sherlock! It’s not like it could get much worse!














    Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION




    And We just can’t figure out who’s causing the problem


    • JamesArthur says:

      Excellent summary…..but since when did logical evidence and common sense work with the Left apologists.

      You missed one item
      LGBQT and Muslims – Problem


    • Oaknash says:

      The far right of course – Aunty says so!


      • Tabs says:

        Tommy Robinson’s fault?


        • - Wild - says:

          I am not sure any of these claims are true

          Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem (See Sri Lanka?)

          Christians living with Shintos = No Problem (See history of Japan?)

          Shinto living with Confucians = No Problem (See history of China?)

          Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem (See history of India?)

          Christians living with Jews = No Problem (See history of Europe?)


  16. G says:

    I had other reasons for consulting the The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regs 2008 but what tickled me was Reg. 7 and its hypothetical application to the Government and/or BBC:
    “7.—(1) A commercial practice is aggressive if, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstances—
    (a) it significantly impairs or is likely significantly to impair the average consumer’s freedom of choice or conduct in relation to the product concerned through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence; and
    (b) it thereby causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise.
    (2) In determining whether a commercial practice uses harassment, coercion or undue influence account shall be taken of—
    (a) its timing, location, nature or persistence;
    (b) the use of threatening or abusive language or behaviour;
    (c) the exploitation by the trader of any specific misfortune or circumstance of such gravity as to impair the consumer’s judgment, of which the trader is aware, to influence the consumer’s decision with regard to the product;
    (d) any onerous or disproportionate non-contractual barrier imposed by the trader where a consumer wishes to exercise rights under the contract, including rights to terminate a contract or to switch to another product or another trader; and
    (e) any threat to take any action which cannot legally be taken.
    (3) In this regulation—
    (a) “coercion” includes the use of physical force; and
    (b) “undue influence” means exploiting a position of power in relation to the consumer so as to apply pressure, even without using or threatening to use physical force, in a way which significantly limits the consumer’s ability to make an informed decision.”
    Reg 7(2)(c) particularly applies to the bBBC
    Government/BBC anyone?


  17. Up2snuff says:

    Russia holds solo military exercises on their border with a small former Baltic Communist State – the BBC is aghast at the aggression, horrified that errors or mistakes will lead to conflict and are worried about the future.

    The US President announces his country will put a temporary hold on JOINT military exercises on the border that was in a state of war with his country and a smaller separatist State and which has not formally ended. The BBC is aghast at potential increases in peace, horrified that errors or mistakes will lead to friendliness and co-operation and are worried about the future.

    There is no pleasing the BBC.

    That is, there is no pleasing the BBC until the BBC and its Director General is the Ruler of the World and 7.6bn+ people are paying the Licence Fee.



  18. Guest Who says:

    I sometimes quote uber-lefty ML when they share facts that have a bearing.

    However, it can be funny when they subject the bbc to a bbc daft comparison based on ideological outrage.

    Has it occurred to them that just maybe, like a Mishal death tally, the two are not comparable for other reasons?


  19. john in cheshire says:

    Did the far-left bbc cover the Bilderberg meetings last weekend? No, I thought not.

    According to Luke Rudkowski, reporter for wearechange.com, he and his team were the only ones there attempting to find out what was being discussed. That despite the mass security surrounding the attendees, the harassment and threats the were subjected to, including one of his colleagues having his hotel door kicked in and a gun pointed at him by Italian police.

    What are these people planning that’s so secret and dangerous for us to know about? You’d think the far-left bbc would be a little curious to know.


  20. Up2snuff says:

    The opening lines of this are interesting: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44462829

    “Sections of the UK car industry face extinction unless the UK stays in the EU customs union, the president of the CBI has said.

    Paul Dreschler also said there was “zero evidence” that trade deals outside the EU would provide any economic benefit to Britain.

    He blamed a “tidal wave of ideology” for the government’s Brexit approach.

    But the government said it was “focused on delivering a Brexit that works for the whole of the UK”. ”

    The BBC highlights Brexit as the threat to our car makers.

    I would suggest that it is taxation, constant regulation, costs and a distinctly chosen Government policy direction (and one of which the BBC – as LeftLibbie GreenieGlobal Warmers – must approve) to move away from liquid fuel and gas powered cars to electric cars, together with developments in Artificial Intelligence, that threatens the future of the UK car industry.

    Seems to be a slight twisting of the facts there to suit a certain BBC narrative.


    • Dover Sentry says:

      Carolyn Fairbairn is the head of the CBI and is ex-BBC and a EU supporter. The CBI is not to be trusted.

      “”In 1997 Carolyn Fairbairn was appointed as Director of Strategy for BBC Worldwide, later promoted to Director of Strategy & Distribution, and also became a member of the BBC’s Executive Board. She was responsible for delivery of the BBC’s services to viewers, including on cable and satellite.””



      • Up2snuff says:

        DS “Carolyn Fairbairn is the head of the CBI and is ex-BBC and a EU supporter. The CBI is not to be trusted.”

        You can say that again!

        Apparently another of their Directors has resigned and the BBC are reporting the reason as ‘Brexit and the harm it will do’ on TOADY this a.m..

        The battle is still bloody with Remainers slashing away at Brexit with every weapon possible.

        I just hope that more and more decent people among the electorate who voted Remain in June 2016 are now much more aware of how vile the EU and its supporters have become and looking increasingly to get the UK away from the EU as completely and as soon as possible.


        • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

          The impression I get from my remainer friends and acquaintances is that they hypocritically ignore all the EU’s vices. They seem to think it’s vaguely disgusting that UK politicians should actually run the UK, and not enlightened continental types. Everything is marvellous on the continent you see, lovely locals, beautiful weather etc. Sadly they are like brainwashed teenagers rather than grown-up middle-class professionals.

          Of course they all support Labour/Green but are presumably in a bind because of Corbyn’s anti-EU position. Then again I seriously doubt that the dilemma has ever even occurred to them, while there’s emoting over Grenfell & outrage over Trump to be done.

          The main thing is the virtue-signalling, they’re all terrified of not conforming. Nothing else matters than to be right-on, even if it leads to disaster.


    • Al Shubtill says:

      “Dreschler” – beautiful British name.


    • Jagman84 says:

      Indeed. The Land Rover news is being spun as another Brexageddon story but the truth is the complete opposite. It will release capacity to allow a range of electric vehicles to be manufactured on the Solihull site. The small number of job losses will be dwarfed by the increase in long term jobs that the expansion will create.


  21. Foscari says:

    BBC TV is in a quandary. The World Cup is about to start and
    there is a severe problem. You see for a month the BBC is going
    to show MEN playing football and this is not INCLUSIVE!
    Ok we will accept that 80% of BBC news presenters are women.
    We will accept that when the England team arrive in Russia a
    women reporter will interview them. Because we know that most
    of the TV reporters are women. We will then see the reporter
    interviewing Russian women to ask what they think about it all.
    BUT on the field of play all the players are going to be able
    bodied MEN, and this goes on for a month.
    Of course we will have women commentators and have the opinions of
    some lady footballer. And this is a good thing. But
    only MEN will be kicking the ball for a month!
    Of course the BBC want to win the women’s audience . Also I
    expect Big Brother from the Diversity and Positive Discrimination
    department will be giving orders to tell the Sports dept to
    make sure that teams such as Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt , Saudi Arabia, Iran
    are given adequate exposure. A suggestion could be is to
    have one Sunni commentator and one Shia. So when Saudi Arabia or
    Iran score they could let their feelings known by screaming out
    GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!! I am sure the Londonistan
    Programme have a plethora of suitable candidates.
    I just cant make up my mind if they should be men or women.
    What do you think?


    • Foscari says:

      Actually I forgot to mention that I have been making
      football odds for bookmakers for fourty years
      and also write on football. I wrote an article two years
      ago ” who will be the next Leicester?” And in fact have
      bet IRAN at 5000/1. So I aso will also be screaming GOALLLLLLLL!!
      if they score


      • Fedup2 says:

        Fos – the Word you Will be screaming in the final will be گل زدن


      • Dave S says:

        Strange. I have backed Iran in a variety of bets. To qualify, stage of elimination. individual matches etc. Covered most positions and hope for a result. I hate football but have always done well in the World Cup. last time I went for Germany and Mexico.
        My other hunch is Columbia. Would not back England with your money. In betting there is no sentiment .
        My speciality is Irish horse racing.


    • Fedup2 says:

      When I posted this thread I originally wrote ‘men’s World Cup starts ‘ but then changed it to how it should be. Don’t worry I understand the girly World Cup next year and once en ger land has lifted the cup this year al Beeb will be all over the girly game like a STI.
      I reckon they’ll focus the numerous national types who are currently guest workers in Blighty – as well as st mo. Whether he is fixed or. Not . Or he ll be a pundit with that bloke who sells crisps on twitter.


      • Woolwich says:

        Was that story about the United States women footballer ever covered on here? I heard it on one Talksport news bulletin then it disappeared.
        As I understand, one of their players was told that she was being dropped from two games last year specifically as a result of her refusal to wear a strip that bore rainbow lbgt branding, as a Christian she felt that she couldn’t do this. She subsequently hasn’t been selected since.
        Of course the bigger picture, which would never be discussed on the media, is that as footballer who’d climbed to her National Team it’s highly probable (in fact more than likely nailed on) that she’d played, socialised and shared changing rooms with many lesbians in the course of her career. I can’t speak for her but the fact that she kept on playing indicates that she was happy to live and let live. But then the authorities force a socially engineered politicised belief down her throat and she has the backbone to stand up for her beliefs as she’s backed into a corner. Pretty much a microcosm of what happens in the “real” world.


        • john in cheshire says:

          Isn’t this an example of the old, but wise saying give them an inch and they’ll take a mile?

          We normal people think that making a compromise; in this case ignoring the sinfulness of the LBGTetc people; is the end of the matter and we can all go on living our lives as best we can. But the sinners are never content, they want us all to be sinners so that they continue doing what they do, without feeling any sense of shame or guilt.


          • - Wild - says:


            You are confusing being a lesbian with being on the Left politically, which is precisely what the Left want you to do. The same goes for female, non-white, working class, and northern. You may be a working class black lesbian northerner who thinks Jeremy Corbyn and his Party are leading us forward to a tolerant land of plenty, on the other hand you may not. You might be a working class, black, lesbian, northerner (or some combination of them) who despises the Left every bit as much as you do, and maybe even more than you.


    • Deborah says:

      In my youth, i used to regularly go to Division 1 football games, but to honest it was rather more to do with the young men we were going with. Now i have so much interest that it was only yesterday that i found out that England were even playing. Will i be watching even the men’s matches? Obviously not but if there are any women’s ones the chances of me watching plummit even further. Why not have mixed teams, wouldn’t that represent equality?


  22. Woolwich says:

    I mistakenly posted this in the Start The Week Thread, I hope it’s omay that I’ve copied and pasted it here.

    I stupidly sat with my wife last night and watched a recording of Who Do You Think You Are featuring ex Coronation Street/current Our Girl actress Michelle Keegan. Something was off that I couldn’t put my finger on and then it clicked, with the exception of an Italian ancestor from the early 1700s iirc, the entire focus was on the females in her ancestral line. She talked of how her grandmother must have been devastated to be evacuated from Gibraltar with her 3 children, no mention of how her grandfather left behind alone without his wife and children on Gibraltar as it became a wartime fortress. Old Pathe style footage was shown off the Gib children and mothers coming to England with the jolly voiceover typical of the time. At which point she said that they were being treated like ( I can’t remember the word she used but it was either immigrants or foreigners). That was absolutely NOT the tone of the piece, these were Spanish speaking, which of course was unusual in 1940, but they were our people and we were happy to help out.
    Then she went down her fathers lineage and it turned out that the registrar who recorded her great grandmothers birth was Emeline Pankhurst. “ I know that time , who is it?” She said. The following 3 minute guide to the suffragette movement kindly cleared that up. Predictably no mention of men’s suffrage at this point though, Google it. I genuinely think the bbc must have sent researchers out to see whose birth certificates Emeline Pankhurst signed in her capacity as registrar and then worked forwards until they found one celebrity they could film.
    The programme ended with her proudly talking about how she was the woman she was due to all of the strong women in her line. So genetically and spiritually the male lineage of Michelle Keegan isn’t worth a damn eh? BBC diversity in action, don’t you just love it.


    • KatieH says:

      She was on marrs show last week as well promoting the ultra crap ‘Our Girl’ and also pushing the feminist agenda. Shes a mediocre ex coronation street actress jumping on the metoo/feminist bandwagon


      • BRISSLES says:

        ‘Actress’ ?? yes, she really is in the same league as Bette Davis, et al. Of course, that’s what they call pouting, posing, and married to a bloke equally as pretty, these days.


        • David R says:

          Brissles: Don’t you know that “actress” is an unword and hate speech. All actors are actors, no matter what they are wearing and their chromosomal configuration.


          • - Wild - says:

            It is true that no mention was made of her father’s family (he did not even appear in the programme) and much was made of the fact that she had an ancestor who supported the Suffragettes, and it is true they identified the place in London where her grandmother and great grandmother lived after having been evacuated from Gibraltar during the Second World War, but most of the information about the latter came from an interview with her grandmother’s still living male cousin, accompanied by his grandson, and the heart of the episode was the revelation that a male ancestor from Genoa arrived in Gibraltar aged 13 and ended up a wealthy man.


    • JimS says:

      Richard Pankhurst died of a perforated ulcer on 5th July, 1898. “Faithful and True My Loving Comrade”, a quote from Walt Whitman, were the words she choose for his gravestone. Without her husband’s income, Emmeline Pankhurst had to sell their home and move to a cheaper residence at 62 Nelson Street, Manchester. She was also forced to accept the post of registrar of births and deaths
      [from Spartacus Educational]

      Do you think the local Patriarchy Police dragged her kicking and screaming to her office and forced money into her hand?


  23. Up2snuff says:

    Apologies if I am repeating an item posted above but I saw this and laughed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-44439735

    “When we told the story of Lucie, who had a hysterectomy at 28 because her periods made her feel suicidal, readers got in touch with similar experiences. For many, it took years to find a doctor who could help them – and often daughters inherited the condition from their mothers. Elizabeth, 45, and her daughter Grace, 15*, are at either ends of their hormonal journey.

    At 15, Grace has resolved never to have children and is resentful that her mum didn’t do the same. ”

    The BBC: dumb and dumber.

    Every day.

    For £3.5 billion, dumb and dumber.


    • john in cheshire says:

      It’s not clear, but I’m assuming the subjects of this trash are white.

      The far- left bbc and others like them will never miss an opportunity to promote the extinction of the white race.


    • Tabs says:

      Is that article suggesting the girl inherited her periods from her mother? Or am I reading that incorrectly!

      The BBC like stories of women with no wombs as is closes the physical differences between trans-man-to-woman and real women.


      • Kaiser says:

        “Grace has resolved never to have children and is resentful that her mum didn’t do the same”

        but oddly your still alive Grace, whining on, using resources, polluting the earth, taking up space


        • Up2snuff says:

          Got it in one, Kaiser, but unfortunately neither the BBC journalist or their Editor or the web-master was sharp enough to spot that one.



  24. Max Headroom says:

    The BBC News Website (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44463301) has reported an edited version of Donald Trump’s response to Robert De Niro’s bizarre expletive-laden outburst against Trump: (“I’m gonna say one thing: f*** Trump,” repeated several times) at a loveys gathering called the Tony Awards to:

    “a very Low IQ individual”.
    “I watched him last night and truly believe he may be ‘punch-drunk’.

    Clearly, the BBC realises Trump’s response was rather good, so cut it short so as to remove the key point that De Niro may well have been brain damaged in his boxing movies. The response from Trump in full:

    “a very low IQ individual”

    “received too many shots to the head by real boxers in movies.”

    “I watched him last night and truly believe he may be ‘punch-drunk’. I guess he doesn’t realise the economy is the best it’s ever been with employment being at an all time high, and many companies pouring back into our country. Wake up Punchy!”


  25. MarkyMark says:

    When the zero figures start increasing … then I will have hope for the future of the UK.

    1 PM Who rejects/delays Brexit.
    0 PM Who backs Brexit.

    17 Days since Tommy Robinson arrested for highlighting continued child mass rape and torture (25may2018)
    0 Days since Tommy Robinson’s release.

    36 Days since Day for Freedom March in London (06may2018)
    0 Days since BBC reported on Day for Freedom March.

    2.5 Years since Anjem Choudary arrested for preaching moderate Islam.
    0 Days since Muslim community condemn Anjem Choudary and demand he serves his full 5 year sentence.

    717 Days since UK voted to leave the EU @52%. (24jun2016)
    1 PM says ‘Brexit means Brexit’.
    0 Days Since Leaving the EU.

    . . .

    22 Murdered in Manchester.
    1 PM tweeting that 22 people were LOST.
    0 Arrests followed.

    . . .

    600K Migrants Lost by the UK Home Office.
    20K Terrorists on Watch List.
    3K Extreme Terrorists on Watch List.
    1 PM who said ‘Enough is Enough’.
    0 Removed from watch list.
    . . .

    364 Days of #WorldNoHijabDay NOT supported by UK Foreign Office.
    1 Day of #WorldNoHijabDay supported by UK Foreign Office.
    0 Requests for #WorldNoHijabDay (no hijab day)

    . . .

    184,595 People charged (2016) with non-payment of the BBC TV Licence Tax by Capita TV Licensing. (mostly women)
    0 Apologies from Chris ‘£2.3m’ Evans whose wages are paid under threat of prison.

    . . .

    448 Days since Owen Jones said he’d quit social media (11mar2017)
    0 Days since Owen Jones quit social media.

    . . .

    137,000 girls and women living with FGM, and 144,000 girls at risk of FGM.
    0 Arrests for FGM in UK even though it is illegal.

    . . .

    100,000 Air-conditioned Tents in Saudi Arabia near Mecca, near God.
    0 Fellow Muslim migrants sleeping in those tents.

    When the zero figures start increasing … then I will have hope for the future.


  26. Terminal Moraine says:

    I simply can’t imagine what made the beeb decide to make this the third highest ranked ‘news’ story on their home page:

    Angry White Guy is Nasty to Homeless Man; Nice Black Man and Previous Victim of Racial Injustice is Community Hero

    “Video of a jogger disposing of a homeless man’s belongings in Oakland, California, has been widely shared online. In the video, a shirtless man is seen rifling through a homeless man’s possessions and throwing them away as onlookers remonstrate with him.”


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      I don’t know about Oakland specifically, but in many parts of California (Santa Monica, Palm Springs etc), the homeless are treated like an endangered species. There are plenty of shelters for them, where they retire to after they have had their fill of drinking latte in Starbucks during the day. Yes, there will be many genuine cases but being homeless is also a lifestyle choice in much of California – Summer time and the livin’ is easy, that sort of thing.


    • Nibor says:

      Now would you want homeless people to start sleeping around your house ? I bet the BBC folk don’t either . I bet they call the police if one is found in their garden .
      Homelessness is a problem ( exacerbated by immigration ) but everyone wants it done elsewhere , not on their doorstep .


  27. MarkyMark says:




  28. StewGreen says:

    Quick link back to yesterday’s posts on page 4 and page 5 of the Start The week Thread


  29. MarkyMark says:

    “Keith Vaz has been appointed to a parliamentary committee preparing a new law to tackle corruption and money laundering. {dailymail nov2016} The Leicester East MP is currently under investigation by the Metropolitan Police … ”



    • fakenewswatcher says:

      You couldn’t make it up, Marky.
      A man with no shame (probably wouldn’t understand the concept) brazenly elevated in a parliament afflicted by the mind-numbing drug called PC, a much more potent hallucinogenic than LSD. It completely removes common sense and any ethical or moral scruples (to the extent there were any in the first place).
      If you catch a dose when you’re already seated on red leather, it gives you a feeling of floating high above the little people, superior and untouchable by reality.
      Where the air is less rarified you will spot creatures like the Bercrow, a master raptor, skilled at camouflage and bringing down smaller birds through duplicity. At this altitude, the little people are still no more than specks, but the Bercrow’s screech can be heard even by them. At low levels, it becomes audible as an irritating squawk…


    • Holly Selassie says:

      A Robert Mugabe moment here.
      I rather sense they know the game is up, and have decided to set fire to their oil wells.
      Vaz?…Primrose Shipman for Shadow Health Secretary, Adult and Social Care as well.


  30. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Wetherspoon to stop selling champagne ahead of Brexit””

    “”Pub chain JD Wetherspoon has said it will replace champagne with sparkling wines from the UK from next month.””

    “”The company’s founder, Tim Martin, who campaigned for Brexit, said it was part of a transition away from products made in the European Union.””

    “”Under the plan, British wheat beer and alcohol-free beer will replace the current beers brewed in Germany.””

    “”Mr Martin said the new drinks would be cheaper than the European Union products that they are replacing.””

    “”He said: “There will be an inevitable transfer of trade post-Brexit to countries outside the EU, which will reduce prices in shops and pubs.””

    “”The products we are now introducing are at lower prices than the EU products they are replacing.””


    A misleading headline. But the rest is very good news.

    Cheers, Tim!


    • Dystopian says:

      Why didn’t the leave campaign tell us that beer would be cheaper outside the EU?
      We would have had far more than 17.4 million leave votes!
      After all, we (leave voters) are all thick ignorant chav pissheads allegedly.


  31. Thatcherrevolutionary says:

    Why do all the leftie news outlets, mps, etc all expect people in negotiations like President Trump and The UK government to fully give details of their negotiating position beforehand?


  32. MarkyMark says:

    Guess the twitter …. 13jun2018 @ 11:30 BST

    “The Anti-Fascists Fascists allowed to stop a meeting of candidates and voters in a by- election because they threaten violence. We are moving towards a bad place in our national life.” [1]

    “A moving vigil at St Clement’s Church this evening followed by a very welcoming iftar at Al-Manaar Mosque. #Grenfell” [2]

    “Check out the first Ask XXXX – a new @XXXXXX series where I’ll be answering readers’ questions every week. Watch the video to learn more about our vital work with @MetPoliceUK “[3]

    “Two years on, we will never forget the 49 people murdered in an appalling attack on the LGBT+ community in Florida. The Pulse shooting remains a stark reminder that, despite legislative progress, we have a long way to go until LGBT+ people across the globe can live in safety.”[4]

    “Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. XXXXXX said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer – sleep well tonight!” [5]

    [1] – Gerard Batten [2] – Theresa May [3] Sadiq Khan [4] Jeremy Corbyn [5] President Trump


  33. JamesArthur says:

    Is it me or does the Labour party or Corbyn at least have a party political broadcast week on the BBC? Apparently on R4 nothing bad that happens in Labour is his fault…and according to Len ‘trust me’ McClusky all the rumours are the fault of a few right wing people.

    It really is Saint Corbyn on the BBC….I must live in an alternate universe


  34. MarkyMark says:

    One is allowed .. the other is not and can lose you your job.

    Islamophobia – dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

    Arachnophobia – extreme or irrational fear of spiders.


    • Up2snuff says:

      MM, What about proper IslamoPHOBIA? The fear of the possibility of being attacked by a suicide or other bomber (entering a train with an apparently un-attended package on the floor, for example) or fear of an attack by a knife-wielding religious fanatic who shouts Islamic phrases?

      That surely must be reasonable and not illegal?


  35. MarkyMark says:

    “Let me give you my vision. A man’s right to work as he will, to spend what he earns, to own property, to have the State as servant and not as master, these are the British inheritance. They are the essence of a free economy. And on that freedom all our other freedoms depend.”


  36. Up2snuff says:

    BBC Radio iPlayer does not appear to working at present. Anyone else having trouble or is it just me?

    Has the BBC been hacked?


  37. Holly Selassie says:

    How does Trump get off on doing things like era-defining changes?
    ISIS finished within a year( yes, it`s not over-but we`re far down the road, as opposed to Obama and his lube). And now the image of the year, where he meets Kim.

    Merkel, May and Macron, Trudeau and Clinton, Obama and all the usual Left Liberal slime are apoplectic.

    Hence their desperate efforts to find ANYBODY Asian who will…fear…be concened…be cheesed off that THEY hadn`t done it!
    And if the BBC say the Japanese Defence Minister or a South Korean government spokesman aren`t ecstatic? I might be more inclined to listen if they actually NAMED these people, none of us ever having heard of them(and why would we?)
    Honest to God, the BBC and their Guardian goblins are beside themselves, deranged, incoherent and truly mad now.

    Next up
    Greenpeace bemoan Trumps airmiles in getting to Singapore.

    Those American flags behind him? Ethically sourced, or wringing out the tears of Palestinian babies?

    Thankfully, we hear it and spit as we`re parking the car. But NOBODY I know gives a stuff, they just laugh and turn away.
    And next March 30th, it`ll be full-blown opposition to their very right to speak and walk our streets, did the people of Prague just let Heydrich wipe them out?


    • Up2snuff says:

      Holly, “Next up
      Greenpeace bemoan Trumps airmiles in getting to Singapore.”

      I loved the way President Trump got in that little dig at the Greenies when making the good point about the carbon emissions (ie. costs) of flying bombers from Guam to the South Korean border. If an increased peace and stability pact emerges in east Asia, President Trump will be able to shut his critics up when they moan about the US and the Paris Climate Accord.


  38. Fedup2 says:

    If you get chance to see pmqs do get a view . Get the popcorn and see What a Rable they are.


    • Up2snuff says:

      I’ll go instead for the edited highlights on TWatO (R4 1pm), Fed, and enjoy the follow-up bash with the ‘MPs Panel’.


      • Up2snuff says:

        The SNP, it appears, have not won themselves any friends among the main Parties at Westminster after their petulant walkout.

        Aah, never mind. I’m sure Vince (Slurring Old People) Cable and his little band will cosy up to the SNP MPs and sooth their ruffled tartan.


  39. Terminal Moraine says:

    Powerful photographic piece showing changes to Libya since it was ‘liberated by NATO’.

    Also Brendan O’Neill’s 2011 article referenced there “The narcissism of the iPad imperialists who want to invade Libya” is well worth a read:

    “In a modern political sphere that has its fair share of narcissists and ignoramuses, no one is quite as narcissistic or as ignorant as the liberal interventionist. From the comfort of his Home Counties home, possibly to the sound of birds tweeting on the windowsill, the liberal interventionist will write furious, spittle-stained articles about the need to invade faraway countries in order to topple their dictators.”


  40. MarkyMark says:

    “men (rapists) were themselves young and ‘immature’ at the time.”
    1998 and 2005 – 7 Years of attacking.
    “men (rapists)were themselves young and ‘immature’ at the time.”
    1998 and 2005 – 7 Years of attacking.
    “men (rapists) were themselves young and ‘immature’ at the time.”
    1998 and 2005 – 7 Years of attacking.

    The sex attacks took place between 1998 and 2005 and defence barristers insisted the men were themselves young and ‘immature’ at the time.

    1998 and 2005 – 7 Years of attacking.
    “men (rapists) were themselves young and ‘immature’ at the time.” – SO WE SHOULD LET THEM GO?


  41. ID says:

    Minister Claire Perry has complained that Mr. Speaker has used these words to her.
    ” Minister, please resume your sest. I am most grateful to you but I am afraid dilation is not in order to day”.
    The daft bint thinks that reference was being made to “child birth”. Clearly her grasp of English is limited.

    speak or write at length on (a subject).
    “the faithful could hear the minister dilate on the role religion could play”
    I don’t think the minister was popping his birth channel during a dificult labour.

    And we are expected to believe that the House of Quisling has such massive brain power that they know better than 17.4 Brexit voters. The hoi polloi are mocked because they confuse paedophile and paediatrician yet the high and mighty’s command of English seems equally lacking. Sexist language my arse.


    • JamesArthur says:

      She has a record of playing the ‘female’ card. Although this one is quite funny..She was on R4 and didn’t really have much of an argument specifically – are you sure she isn’t a Leftie 🙂


  42. MarkyMark says:

    Woah! BBC are adding Iran into the Yemen reports …. this is new, might be worth Owen Jones taking note.

    “Yemen war: Saudi-backed forces begin assault on Hudaydah port” {bbc.co.uk 13jun2018}

    Article Word Search: Iran x 7; Saudi x 8; Islam x 0 ; Religion x 0; Muslim x 0; Allah x 0; “religion of peace” x 0;

    Yemen …. A Utopia where Sunni Islam mets Shiite Islam.


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Marky- Talking about Yemen: think twas you who earlier today posted a picture of Keith Vaz -2016, so I looked up to see what the dear fellow was up to today, and guess who’s in charge of the parliamentary committee dealing with Yemen. And, he’s telling UK to ‘get involved’. I thought, having supplied weapons to Saudi, we already were?
      Footnote: since he’s running around saying things, was Keith found not guilty? Or did he not have to account for himself? If not found ‘not guilty’ should he even a) be in parliament? b) be free?


      • Holly Selassie says:

        Has Vaz even BEEN to Yemen or Saudi?
        And does either country know WTF HE`S been up to?
        Maybe these two countries could finally come together regarding what needs to happen to Vaz when he`s next over there.
        Finally, his worthless carcass would serve some good in unifying both countries.
        Maybe we could see which country would use the metric sized rocks, and which might choose the imperial measurements.


      • MarkyMark says:

        Keith is still being investigated after being ill and not being investigated … hoping that time will make people forget.


      • MarkyMark says:

        Keith Vaz has said it is a tragedy that people in the UK care more about Love Island than the civil war and humanitarian crisis in Yemen. {leicestermercury.co.uk 08aug2017}

        The Leicester East who has regularly raised the plight of people in the small war-torn and disease stricken Middle East state has said there has been more media coverage of the hit ITV reality show where good looking young people have sex, fall out, and have sex again, in a nice place where the weather is pleasant.

        Word Search: Saudi x 2; Iran x 0; Muslim x 0; Islam x 0;


        • Marion says:

          I don’t care about either. I don’t watch tacky TV progs and I’m tired of sanctimonious people like Vaz telling me what my priorities should be – particularly since they are always predictable. Stop the finger wagging and FO.

          Words are cheap – how many people can truthfully say that they spend a lot of time agonising over Yemen? I only genuinely care about things closer to home or that I have some control over.


    • Kaiser says:

      im hoping the saudis somehow get to play iran at the world cup

      that could be a really explosive fixture


  43. StewGreen says:

    Bradford Crown Court.
    Askhan Ebrahimi, who is understood to have come to the country from Iran in 2009, turned his flat in Oak Lane, Halifax, into “the hub” of his hate campaign against those in authority who he felt had wronged him.
    After “non-molestation order” he became “obsessed with notions of vengeance”.
    I’m a bit suspicious of the 2 newspaper photos which show him with a swastika flag and wearing a Union Jack on his vest. It could be possible, but there is an off chance it’s been edited in.


  44. StewGreen says:

    Brexit : “This was a disruptive campaign.
    We certainly not above leading JOURNALISTS up the country path, making fun of them, same with POLITICIANS”
    Aaron Banks on video yesterday to Media committee

    But Yorkshire Post put in DIFFERENT words quotes in its title
    Pro-Leave Campaigner admits ‘we led PEOPLE up the garden path’
    …. Wrong, cos people means the public ..I take it that he means he played journalists so they reported him.


    • Holly Selassie says:

      Would recommend anybody to watch this three hours of utter shite by the DCMS.
      Banks and Wigmore are great, but the ignorance, insouciance, postures and sheer hatred of humour,business by these fat wallets in the Commons is something to behold.
      THIS is what our country is like-low grade Muellers, loads of thick MPs hoping to find bad seed in the shite , with which to thwart Brexit.
      Utter dimbos.
      1. You`re all Remainers-so what would you know?
      2. Why isn`t George Osborne here, he saw more Russians than we did, and threw money to fiddle the result, unlike us?
      3. Why did you use stolen emails and put them on your website in order to smear us in America?
      4, This is subjudice, you really need to be careful re the legal aspect.
      5. Why did the 2nd Referendum Campaign say thank you to you lot?
      6. I`ve got another appointment to go to, you`re going on and we`re off now.

      How many angels dance on the head of a pin? This really is a disgraceful peek into the kind of people who`ve slithered into public life on our dime.
      But do watch-make sure your kids aren`t as sappy as we`re been, this lot are shoe sales force, disguised as statesmen and women.
      Thanks Aaron and Andy-probably the biggest public good you`ll do in 2018 was to show this lot of leftyscum up.


  45. StewGreen says:

    Diversity : Ethnic minorities, disabled people and women all under-represented in UK radio, Ofcom report says
    \\ Ethnic minorities, disabled people and women all under-represented in UK radio
    Many broadcasters unaware of the wider make-up of their workforce //
    Contradiction : how can you be sure there are deficiencies if the “Many broadcasters unaware” ?

    They blur the line between all staff and on air staff
    “Ethnic-minority representation is generally higher in radio programming roles (11%), although at Bauer, this stands at just 7%, compared with 19% at Global and 10% at the BBC”
    Surely Global has too much BME on air ?

    Last week’s report on Diversity in TV
    \\ Women, ethnic minorities and disabled people all under-represented by TV industry //
    \\ Women account for 48% of employees across the five main broadcasters, versus 51% of the wider UK population. //
    Stop right there , you can’t compare staff to wider-population.. you have to compare “aavailable for work population” A huge chunk of women are NOT available for work cos they are looking after kids/parents , or homemakers.
    \\ Channel 4 has the highest number of female employees at 59%,//
    Is it taking steps to reduce number of females ?


    • StewGreen says:

      Hey if you are obsessed with putting trans and gays on air
      then it is easier to white a WHITE MAN, rather than a MULSIM woman who will go on air.

      If you pretend that all minorities have a duty to be lefties , then you miss out on airing the black/brown that are UKIP and Tory supporters. So you cut them off air.


    • StewGreen says:

      4:30pm Irony city “Also in the programme, why are there still so many men on the airwaves?”
      * your prog has EXCLUSIVELY 4 female voices *
      #1 Andrea Catherwood is joined by
      #2 Carole Cadwalladr of The Observer,
      #3Professor Lis Howell of City University,
      #4 Vikki Cook, Ofcom’s Director of Standards and Audience Protection and Rachel Corp, acting editor of ITV News.


    • G says:

      Further evidence, (if it were required) that the UK indigenous population is now under full siege conditions. But this evidence (+/- a few), is accurate:
      “64,769,452 (July 2017 est.)
      Ethnic groups – white 87.2%, black/African/Caribbean/black British 3%, Asian/Asian British: Indian 2.3%, Asian/Asian British: Pakistani 1.9%, mixed 2%, other 3.7% (2011 est.)”
      Much as the libs dislike it, these are the facts. All their efforts to, forgive me, ‘whitewash’ the facts can only be totally dishonest and deceitful.


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  47. StewGreen says:

    switch on Bingo wins
    13:45pm R4 prog told us what great traits libs have : openness (haha)
    whereas Conservatives are obsessively tidy and order freaks .

    2:15pm R2 Steve Wright hey here’s studio boy “My brother in Law is just iinaugurating a wind farm at Grimsby So here are a few facts abou them
    “They supply 5% of UK power (only when there’s wind mate)
    ..by 2020 it will be 25%
    ..blah, blah ”
    No balancing voice was aired.


    • StewGreen says:

      Hey guess which organisation like Cambridge Analytica has the data on 400,000 peoples personalities cos they ran a thing called the Big Personality Test ?

      So was this data leaked to Labour and Remain campaigns ?


    • johnnythefish says:

      Did he really use the word ‘power’?

      More lies, or ignorance (you decide which) from the BBC.

      He should have said ‘electricity’.

      As for 25% by 2020 – sheer eco-socialist propaganda.


  48. StewGreen says:

    Today’s Quiz
    : BBC2 have asked someone to make a programme about Depression
    Will it be presented by a well known voice from Labour, Lib, UKIP or Conservatives ?
    Got a name in mind ?


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Stew- I think in his case, a great deal of guilt has led to his depression. Step1 to improve his situation, would be to confess his sins. The honest truth. That would help Tony to do likewise.
      If they both did that, the nation would have a fuller picture of what they got up to. Nothing we don’t already know, or can’t guess, but the detail would be of interest, especially to some relatives.
      Yet another programme on depression probably won’t really help anyone? (Sure bbc has a handsome reward in mind, so it may help someone, in another sense?)


      • johnnythefish says:

        He should reflect on and apologise for the amount of depression he and his mate Tony wrought upon the nation as a result of their immigration, social justice, welfare, tax, spending, borrowing, economy-crashing policies.


      • Kaiser says:

        Tony B Liar is a good catholic now, I wonder how many hail marys he has to do after each confession


  49. StewGreen says:

    PC-madness : Two sacked Whitby RNLI crew members ‘won’t get a second chance’ as appeals prove unsuccessful.
    Too right ..serious crime that, buying a raunchy mug for your colleague , that no one in the work team complained about.

    Crew member statement on Facebook


    • Holly Selassie says:

      Do have a problem with this.
      When are the good people of this country going to pull out of their goodwill, voluntary things like propping up hospital shops, lifeboats and the like.
      Let Brendan Cox and the like learn to swim and let`s see what this country is like without nice people propping up the state.
      Re Whitby-let a few die and then let the BBC and this awful government explain why those deaths are worth the price of a couple of joke coffee mugs, shall we?
      We`re too soft. No Muslims would do this, why do we?


    • Loobyloo says:

      Own goal eh? Anyone would think they meant for this outcome… maybe they hope the govt will fund them as their contributions are too low?
      Big state


    • theisland says:

      If there was any justice their Royal Charter would be revoked.


  50. StewGreen says:

    8pm R4 Moral Maze will be about Trump and diplomacy


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