Start the Week Open Thread 11 June 2018

President Trump meets the Rocket Man today and its possible that the 1950 Korean War will officially end . Britain lost over 1000 dead in that war .So how will al beeb cover this historic meeting ? We can but guess.

This week marks a year since a fire in a tower block. There might be no better week  to abstain from Al Beeb…but for those witnessing the bias here be a new thread .

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524 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 11 June 2018

  1. Foscari says:

    e” OK Diversity Department at the BBC. You did a good job
    keeping any mention of the rally for the extreme right wing
    fascist scumbag Robinson off the news.” But BIG BROTHER
    wasn’t he imprisoned for mentioning that mostly British
    Pakistani Muslim men were grooming and raping girls as young as
    eleven?” Smith I thought we sacked you weeks ago. Seamus
    make sure we never see his face at a meeting again!”
    ” Now I have another project, listen carefully. Sophie Raworth
    will be reading the 1 PM news on Monday 11 June. I know
    that shit Trump will have to feature as the main news item.
    BUT I want the stories about the Muslim lady doctor struck off
    and then reinstated.”” But Big Brother didn’t she reportively make over twenty procedural mistakes, and the little boy died?” ” Whiteman, I’ve warned you before, this is the DIVERSITY department. All
    doctors are equal, but some doctors are more equal than others!
    I want this story followed up by the absolutely filthy disgusting
    story of a white step father raping his daughter.” ” We will get
    this done Big Brother. But do you think that some will think
    why are we showing this when Tommy Robinson was banged
    up for 13 months for telling the same story, about mostly Muslim
    rape gangs? Is it possible that some viewers will remember that
    on Newsnight in 2011 Jeremy Paxman interviewed or should
    I say interrogated Tommy Robinson when he disclosed all of
    this and Paxman was scornfull and facetious to say the least
    to Robinson? It’s on YOU TUBE, you know.”
    ” I told you to get the news editors to include these two
    features on the 1 PM news on Monday. Just make sure it
    ” Yes BIG BROTHER.”


  2. StewGreen says:

    Grenfell : TV architect George Clarke ‘s article starts off seeming NOT to be the expected politicisation, but then goes that way as he says “£8.7m refurbishment of the block in 2016 resembled cheap cosmetic surgery”
    Em £44K/apartment is NOT cheap
    You really can build a terrace of houses for that in Indonesia etc.
    He might have been an eye witness , but he should just leave the analysis to the proper experts in the inquiry.


  3. MarkyMark says:

    In 1974, Islam was recognized as one of the subsidized religions in Belgium and the Muslim Executive of Belgium was founded in 1996. In 2006, the government gave €6.1 million (US$7.7 million) to Islamic groups. There are an estimated 328-380 mosques in the country.

    “…and don’t you worry. It’s coming to a place near you…we cannot have state subsidized preachers…give it up or give it to your deadliest enemy and pay for the rope that will choke you.“


  4. fakenewswatcher says:

    BoB – I think what happened is that Spain elected some little boy socialist, who doesn’t actually have a majority, but must have got hold of Merkel’s little black book of grabbing power without same. We will see whether he has also read Part2, which is about how to stay in power without a majority. He has definitely read the Merkelian Prologue, which is how to virtue-signal ceaselessly while screwing your own people…

    PS: I see you beat me too it, Rob. Nevertheless, I am inspired to look a little deeper into the Spanish situation, which I neglected due to Puidgemont disappearing from our screens…


  5. G says:


    Click to access Strategic-Plan-2017.pdf

    All one-sided and that side is content to, ‘pile em’ in’.


  6. StewGreen says:

    Vine’s BBC salary is not enough
    He will also taking over the Matthew Wright show on Channel 5 every day.
    .. that’s as well as his R2 Show and Eggheads


    • gb123 says:

      If Vine is on C5 and BBC our only hope is for the broadcast quality to be the same a the livestream feeds for the Tommy Robinson demo. (Ric. MI 5,6. can we borrow your stuff to make this happen?)


  7. Up2snuff says:

    Am here fresh from the end of Dangerous Visions, First World Problems on R4 2.15-3.00pm.

    It wasn’t very good. Score out of 10?

    2 would be kind, 1 would be realistic if 0 was not the lowest possible score. It was probably written by three teenagers on work experience at the BBC. Thinking about it, that might be being unkind to teenagers.

    I have checked – no wonder it was unbelievable, far-fetched rubbish, the script was by Martin Jameson with a couple of Committees worth of the following:

    “Script Consultants:
    Tamara Kovacevic – Senior BBC journalist with first hand experience of the Balkan conflicts of the 1990s
    Richard Vergette – Writer and teacher for advice on parenting a teenager with Down Syndrome

    With thanks to:
    Malcolm Barnard
    Peter Barnes – BBC Senior Political Analyst
    Louisa Brooke-Holland – Senior Research Analyst, International Affairs and Defence section, House of Commons Library
    Rory Cellan-Jones – BBC Technology Correspondent
    Gabrielle Garton Grimwood – Senior Research Analyst in Emergency Planning
    Mike Livingstone – Former Strategic Director of Children’s Services, Manchester City Council.
    Jonathan Marcus – BBC Diplomatic Correspondent
    Prof Bill McGuire – Professor Emeritus; Geophysical & Climate Hazards, UCL
    Dr Gemma Sou – Lecturer in Disaster Studies, University of Manchester
    Peter Wynne-Wilson – Course Director, Royal Birmingham Conservatoire (for advice on Birmingham and its demographics)
    Imogen Woolrich and the Octagon Bridges Theatre Group,
    Harri Chambers – for Welsh translations,
    and Steve Pearce, Eric Bradley & John Rudin for IT advice.”

    The penultimate advisor in that list was obviously essential for the Anglo-Scottish element. That really should have warned Jonquil Panting that he was going to have a disaster on his hands even if he was not alive (from experience?) to the fact that too many cooks in the creative process leads to a real dog’s dinner of a play or film.

    BBC, please bring back Rumpole, McLevy or Pilgrim and let us have some decent Radio Drama.

    I am partial to a good bit of dystopian, Neil Gaiman’s ‘Neverwhere’ for example. ‘First World Problems’ was really bad. I will not be listening to the rest of the series.


    • StewGreen says:

      That was only episode one.
      Only 4 daily episodes to go


      • Up2snuff says:

        Yeah, Stew, more punishment to come. I will opt out, though – see my last sentence. Am not going back.


  8. StewGreen says:

    New factual progs : BBC PR stuff is in the newspapers
    Progs for us , or progs for BBC Media bubbleworld ?
    #1 BBC Two Inside The Bank Of England 2 parts of hour
    “unprecedented access to the inner workings of the Bank, with cameras following as Governor Mark Carney and his staff try to revive the UK economy.” (negative Brexit framing)
    #2 On BBC Three, Mim Shaikh fronts a new documentary Finding Dad (w/t), part of the Big British Asian Summer season
    #3 BBC Four’s Storyville, Under The Wire tells the story of war-correspondent Marie Colvin and photographer Paul Conroy
    #4 \\7,000 miles from Silicon Valley in downtown Manila, a secret team of content moderators must delete a target of 25,000 Facebook, Google and Twitter posts each day. Trawling through the world’s most violent, disturbing and highly contentious online material in the form of terrorist videos, child pornography, self-harm material and political propaganda – ‘the cleaners’ are individually responsible for deciding what stays online and what gets removed //


  9. StewGreen says:

    Halifax van incident 7:30pm Friday
    White people dancing in road outside pub
    2 unkown guys in a white van deliberately drive into them.
    Some video.


    • Lobster says:

      It can’t be you-know-who. According to Lady Nugee, it’s only those racist UKIP types who drive white vans.


    • ToobiWan says:

      Comments seem to be blaming the revellers, Stew.
      Good job they were white, some other Yorkshire folk would have kicked up a reet stink!


    • Tabs says:

      BBC spin would be – ‘Ramadan fasting is totally safe as number of vehicles ploughing into crowds same before and during Ramadan”.

      or… “BBCs how to fast and still kill guide”


  10. StewGreen says:

    ‘Not fair we want to top of all prog guides and The INTERNET ..we’ll take our toys home” say BBC and Channel4
    @GuestWho , Bill Rogers already posted
    Comments could be going ….
    Only 1 out of 15 comments doesn’t reflect our views.


  11. StewGreen says:

    National Crime Agency bungle
    ended up with Weymouth housewife’s real passport photo plastered all over the internet in a list of the World’s most wanted fugitives.
    After they mistook her name for the real Brazilian suspect and passed the photo Costa Rican gov who just took it and published all over the place.
    Taxpayer will end up paying compensation.


  12. MarkyMark says:



  13. StewGreen says:

    Libby Purves in the @thetimes calls out the new-haters
    \\We know that there is a silly generation war over Brexit,
    fuelled largely by middle-aged leftie show-offs
    trying to look young by ranting against “gammon”. //


  14. StewGreen says:

    France, EU, anti-glyphosate rules, freetrade and subsidies
    Anti-biofuel blockade by farmers in France
    \\ Their main aim is to stop the use of imported palm oil for the manufacture of biofuels by the Total group.
    They are also angry over restrictions on glyphosate weedkiller
    and on the importation of cheap meat and wine from countries outside Europe not bound by EU health norms.
    Total is about to open biofuel production at its refinery in La Mède, near Marseilles,
    in a scheme subsidised by local authorities to save jobs there.
    The French oil giant spent €275 million converting the plant. The union is demanding that it use French-grown rapeseed oil for the vegetable-based biodiesel. //


  15. JamesG says:

    Look, the migrants on the boats should be rescued and then sent back to Libya or wherever they came from originally. Why can’t the BBC understand that simple point?


    • RobRoy says:

      Totally clueless. Can’t they see that the more we ‘rescue’ and bring into Europe, the more will risk their lives to come. Oh no, wait, it’s what they want isn’t it. And what the hell are this German charity doing out there anyway – fecking do-gooders will only make it worse.

      For the sake of balance you’d think they’d have Douglas Murray on, but as yet I’ve yet to hear his commonsense view on the subject.


      • G.W.F. says:

        A little geography for the BBC

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    • Oaknash says:

      James the BBC does understand that simple point. I think you have to remember that it is staffed by people many of whom are Common Purpose “Graduates” and see stuffing our country full of people who are unlikely ever to integrate is an ideal way to weaken the integrity of our society,.
      As for the MSM /BBC using the word “rescue” I think “hailing” a cab would be nearer the mark.


  16. chrisH says:

    The 8am news headlines this morning-NEWS headlines remember?-featured the following
    1. Trump is meeting Kim John Un tomorrow in Singapore.
    2. The Tories hope to muddle through on Brexit votes later in the week.
    3, Aaron Banks is Roman Abramovich, sort of anyway.
    ….other stuff about Grenfell I think and maybe some sporty thing.

    Of the four “headlines”-not ONE was “news”.
    Just futuristic gossip and tittle tattle from below stairs.
    So it`s not the 8am News Headlines….but speculation by the BBCs own shoe sniffers about stuff later in the week.
    The BBC is a news free zone, just a rumour mill and hot gossip without the support or thongs.
    Did this news scrubbing showpony become inevitable when they`ve been up all night and on drugs as we slept?
    They need only to be allowed on from 4-11 pm and with a day off on Thursdays and Sundays….
    Media signal landfill and white noise as we stand hooded to a wall.

    And as for Araon Banks.
    Some Tory nonce called Damian Collins is in charge of “fake news watching” in the Commons.
    And has -as you`d expect-asked Aaron to come into the Commons to account for himself.
    And so Collins himself is a peddler or fake news-but is there to prevent that?
    Does Perry Groves know that the world is his for the taking, it`s like we`re all on drugs and frosties with glitter and dexys crumbled on top?
    But no laughter allowed at the BBC. Serious face, the one we save for their comedy.


    • Dystopian says:

      Utterly disgraceful that people actually stick up for this Huntley creature.
      The only dead names in this horrific case are those of those two poor girls, Holly and Jessica.

      They should have helped that scumbag with his transition and cut the b@stards balls off when they caught HIM.


  17. MarkyMark says:

    A reminder from Libya ….. as Spain take in 600 migrants rejected by italy …

    Gaddafi wants EU cash (£4bn) to stop African migrants { aug2010}

    “Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi says the EU should pay Libya at least 5bn euros (£4bn; $6.3bn) a year to stop illegal African immigration and avoid a ‘black Europe’.

    ‘We don’t know what will happen, what will be the reaction of the white and Christian Europeans faced with this influx of starving and ignorant Africans,’ Col Gaddafi said…

    He told them that Islam should become the religion of Europe and gave them free copies of the Koran, after he had lectured them for an hour on the freedoms enjoyed by women in Libya.”


    • ToobiWan says:

      A rather grim video (17 minutes) from a young Australian, who could really do with a hankie, on what the future may hold, MM.


  18. chrisH says:

    GrenfellMust Fall#
    Don`t know if you know but Grenfell Towers was NOT named after Joyce? But named after Francis, scourge of the fuzzy wuzzies in S.Africa and Sudan before World War 2.
    This is racist and colonial oppression, I`m sure you`ll all agree.
    So we need to rename it Winnie Mandela Candlestick Digit.

    And STFU now about Grenfell, the fashist wyte raisist.
    GrenfellMust Fall#. No platform tto those who continue to hide behind the racist oppression of black Africa, by name checking this building.
    Was Winnie on a fag break when it caught fire? Was she here wangling free NHS treatment ?
    Over to the BBC now for this latest report.


    • G.W.F. says:

      Field Marshal Francis Wallace Grenfell, 1st Baron Grenfell, GCB, GCMG, PC (29 April 1841 – 27 January 1925) was a British Army officer. After serving as aide-de-camp to the Commander-in-Chief, South Africa, he fought in the 9th Xhosa War, the Anglo-Zulu War and then the Anglo-Egyptian War. He went on to become Sirdar (Commander-in-Chief) of the Egyptian Army and commanded the forces at the Battle of Suakin in December 1888 and at the Battle of Toski in August 1889 during the Mahdist War. After that he became Governor of Malta and then Commander-in-Chief, Ireland before retiring in 1908.


    • JimS says:

      Winnie Mandela Tower would be an excellent name, what with her connection to the inhabitants and her love of flammable cladding.


  19. Framer says:

    The BBC’S Madrid correspondent Guy Hedgerow has an exclusive here. It’s a win/win situation for Spain. The silly Italians have no idea of what benefits such a decision could bring –

    A smart move by Spain’s new prime minister:
    While Spain’s willingness to take in the Aquarius has surprised many observers, for the new Spanish government it does make political sense for several reasons.
    The move solves a potentially thorny problem for the European Union, bolstering Pedro Sánchez’s hopes of becoming an influential leader within the bloc.
    The new prime minister appears keen to distance himself from the legacy of his predecessor, Mariano Rajoy, whose international impact was discreet and who only took in a fraction of the refugees agreed upon in a 2015 accord with the EU.
    In addition, this gesture is likely to impress left-leaning parties such as Podemos which were instrumental in voting the Socialist in to office on 1 June, and whose support he still needs.


    • Lobster says:

      I agree, this can only be good news. Spain will now be world leaders in brain surgery with all these highly qualified surgeons, and the Spanish space programme will be second to none.
      Or, maybe not ……


      • Fedup2 says:

        Quickest way to get a proper government in the ReichEU these days . Victory for Italy and own goal for Spain . Wonder what will happen with the next boat with 800 benefits claimants on board . ?


  20. MarkyMark says:

    Tax the fuck out of everything so 797 Lords and 650 MPs get free bikes ….



  21. MarkyMark says:

    … and mould the whole of Europe into a copy of Germany …. a good place to start is to ditch the easy historical comparison (ignore history and you will repeat it) … because Angela Merkel is a figure of our here and now and it’s vital to understand her better because she (Merkel) matters more to our future (UK) than, what, 95% of British Politicians.” – BBC’s Andrew Marr 2013

    “The Making of Merkel with Andrew Marr BBC documentary 2013 about Angel Merkel imp politician” {youtube}


    • Fedup2 says:

      I love the idea of a professional welch labour politician lecturing an English football team to wear a black armband to upset the hosts . The labour version of mad soubry – and in the remainers’ club to keep the reichEU pay cheques coming in to himself his wife , his mum and his dad. Bet the family dog gets a reichEU subsidy as well .

      And Lammy was looking for example of non meritocracy job taking – there’s one for him


  22. BigBrotherCorporation says:

    Jess Phillips MP claims she received 600 rape threats in a single night (really? any evidence supplied?) and that digital IDs should be brought in to end anonymity online (although not for ‘whistleblowers’).

    That sounds pretty reasonable doesn’t it? I mean threatening to rape someone is pretty vile…. but, hang on a minute, is this the same Jess Phillips MP that said she had “no problem” with male suicide etc… the same Jess Phillips MP that’s for ever trolling men online?

    Given that our laws on ‘hate speech’ only seem to work in one direction, what she’s really saying is “I want to be able to say nasty things about men, but if they say anything nasty back I want them imprisoned”… or am I wrong?


  23. ChrisMorrison says:

    News reporting at the BBC has become so corrupted that reform is pointless and it might just be better to shut the whole thing down and start again.

    Example: take a routine press release from any one of dozens of publicity-seeking charitable think tanks suggesting that British economic growth rate is sluggish. Then report the press release on the radio all day explaining that most of the risks to the economy are down to Brexit. Then look at the stock market and see if it has fallen on the day and if there is no joy there, hope the pound dipped a bit.

    This is exactly what Kamal Ahmed, the BBC’s “economics editor” is doing today, selecting facts and opinions to fit the agenda. The press release comes from the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (no, me neither) and is being broadcast more or less word for word. The stock market, sadly, is up – in fact rather a lot at 0.73% but the pound fell a tad so that will do.

    In the exciting new BBC anti-news room this “news” confection is perfect – the journalist is a man, that can’t be helped, but he has a reassuringly ethnic name, and it fits the BBC political agenda. Maybe it could do with some more diversity input, a disabled trans agreeing how dreadful all this Brexit uncertainty is, but I nitpick.


    • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

      I think it’s only a matter of time before the BBC demands that its dwindling number of ‘men’ presenters either wear a dress or are forced to do their best Mr Humphries (Are You Being Served) impression. 🙂


  24. StewGreen says:

    Farage show : Aaron and Wigmore giving simple and convincing explanations
    #1 No secret meetings
    Times “Oh you only admitted one meeting with Russians, but you had 3”
    Banks “The first was a boozing lunch meeting is known about, cos I put it my biography. Now that book ended in Louisiana, and the other boozy lunch and cup of tea meetings came after that date”

    #2 No secret Trump phone numbers just handed to Russians
    We didn’t know anything about the Trump campaign, then we went to visit Kelly Ann Conway’s office in Trump.. and then there was huge demonstration of 40K people surrounding the tower, the police locked down the building and so we were stuck for 5 hours.
    At some point someone came and asked a question, they said ‘We are from the Trump transition team and the thing is no one expected Trump to win so none of the foreign embassies did any preparation they didn’t contact us , your’e with the Brits so maybe you have Downing Street’s number ?’
    So I said yes I have it, but I am actually a diplomat for Belize is there a number I can give to people, and she said yes and gave me the ONE phone number for the Trump transition team… there was only ever ONE number
    .. So the next week I was representing the Belize government at Buckingham Palace and I gave the number to a number of foreign ambassadors . The day after I went to my lunch appointment with the Russian ambassador and he said ‘Look we didn’t expect Trump to win, do you have their number and I said yes the Transition team gave me a number to give out”

    #3 The gold mine : Someone at the Russian embassy said there was someone who had idea to amalgamate some Russian gold mines, so we talked about that.


    • Up2snuff says:

      When Stephen Kinnock mentioned Russian gold mines on R4’s TODAY this morning, a distant bell rang in my brain: were not some Oppenheimers involved in the Russian gold industry and are they not pals with REMAINER David Cameron and REMAINER Ken Clarke? Or am I muddling Oppenheim and Oppenheimer or have I got that all completely wrong and no Brits are involved at all?

      I seem to recall that one of them was on BBC R4 about 7 or 8 years ago and talking about getting into gold trading and starting an investment fund. No good me trying a search on the BBC w/s – I have discovered long ago that the BBC search facility is absolutely useless for searches.


  25. Loobyloo says:

    Steady yourself – bBBC has done a fact check and concluded that Donald J Trump is correct! (largely, but he is exaggerating a little….there must be a negative!)


  26. G.W.F. says:

    Tariq Ramadan’s defence from charge of multiple rape is that he is the seventh sexiest man in the world.


  27. Oaknash says:

    Looby – I have noticed the in last few weeks R4 has become a little more sober when talking about Donald Trump. Methinks maybe one or two of their editors may just be having an inkling that maybe they have underestimated him a little.
    I am sure this would be lost on our untrustworthy and woeful PM – who still appears to be going full steam ahead in trying to wreck the UKs relationship with the POTUS – After all we dont want to give voters the impression that the US would be good to do business with – if Brexit ever happens


    • Holly Selassie says:

      Will we get the figures to show that people have left the Today show as well as Newsnight, Question Time etc?
      Got to be in single figures these days at times, I know nobody who listens to more than he first idiot headline, of the weather once our area is done.
      Completely irrelevant.
      I mean-the Tonys?…and De Niro?
      Jay Rayner paying tribute to a dead chef….” he brought us food and appetite upon the page”?
      That`s what you could say about any chip shop wrapper.
      We`re past jumping the shark, it`s endless bungee jumping over it now.
      Classic FM and Radio 3 now, we all know what the BBC thinks. More fool us who pay them to tell us.


      • Woolwich says:

        To be honest I don’t even trust the weather report since they dropped the Met Office.

        I’m in the doghouse, I went out for a run leaving the TV on bbc1. My excuse is that there was a hilarious documentary on about female wrestling in Japan. Seriously. Anyway my wife was in the bath and had to listen to half an hour of screaming and shouting (EastEnders) and when I got back she was in the kitchen doing the dishes. She said it was a documentary about Grenfell now and she “couldn’t face going in to switch the channel over”.
        Three cheers for the BBC, the most miserable broadcaster in the UK.


  28. Oaknash says:

    Not really a BBC story but has anyone seen the google cartoon today showing pictures of suffragettes. I was thinking maybe they could bring it all a bit more up to date. Maybe we could have a cartoon of the Sistas all shouting at Harvey wothisface whilst in the background we could have a depiction of a Rotherham teenager being “groomed” on a filthy mattress with the plods looking away and painting their nails instead.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Tessy May has ‘fessed up’ to not going on a Grenfell grief trip on the day . Might have been better is she put in a bit of post event command and control as soon as It became obvious that the local authority were clueless .
      I mean -if HMG couldn’t manage a fire in one small tower block – how could it deal with something big ?


      • JimS says:

        Was the local authority clueless, or was that the narrative that those with a vested political position chose to push?

        At 11 a.m., Kensington and Chelsea Council sent over ten housing officers who immediately began the task of finding accommodation. ‘They were brilliant, I have to say,’ Simms told me a month after the fire. ‘They stayed right until the early hours of the next morning to make sure no one had to sleep on the floor, contrary to …’

        ‘To what?’

        ‘To what was said.’

        I didn’t follow up with him on this at the time, but it would later seem to me a crucial step in my experience of what happened in the aftermath of the fire. From the minute people started talking to the media, it was generally accepted that the council had done nothing at all to help the victims, that it had caused the fire, and that they, as Tories, hated people who lived in social housing.

        [Andrew O’Hagan – The Tower: Part III – The Aftermath]

        Lots of failures, going back to Blair’s government at least and forward to the failure of the fire brigade to manage a simple kitchen fire.


  29. montmorency says:

    How the Media manipulates Truth – Melanie Phillips. Her talk’s about 50 mins, from about 5 mins in. Some quite shocking revelations from her time at the Grauniad, although we probably shouldn’t be surprised. It’s well worth a listen all through if you can’t sleep and/or are worn down by Trump Derangement Syndrome (unbelievable!) while waiting for the summit to start.

    If you want to skip to a good bit – she sums up her view of BBC groupthink from about 33.19 and on to the ‘ordeal by torture’ of listening to the Today programme. ‘3 hours of hell’. There may be some here who agree…(!) I’m wholly admiring of her for making it through 3 hours..


    • Fedup2 says:

      Londonistan crime update

      The worst yet . World ending – two chaps knifed in Kensington Waitrose . Possibly arguing about the last jar of sundried Mexican tomatoes . Getting a bit close to beeboid territory ….


      • Guest Who says:


        Was it headlined “Quinona incident in aisle nine” to avoid upsetting anyone? Both perps’ ‘community’ and locals.


    • StewGreen says:

      8:30m Guardian asserted it’s OK to print a lie cos that illustrates the BROADER TRUTH, the “everyone knows”
      That illustrates how they feel it’s OK to lie against Tommy.


      • Guest Who says:

        The bbc of course famously floated ‘It is something he might have said’.

        Not a lie, but ‘thuthiness’. Apparently.


    • Richard Pinder says:


      Why a Climate Change conference needs 40,000 asses.

      Since 2009, many scientists have proven that Carbon Dioxide induced Climate Change is as President Trump has said “A Hoax”. In 2009 the scientist Gerhard Gerlich proved directly the “Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics“. Further confirmation of the CO2 warming hoax was obtained through thermodynamics and successfully finding a formula that works for both of the carbon dioxide atmospheres of Venus and Mars, as well as all the other planetary atmospheres. In 2011, Ned Nikolov & Karl Zeller introduced the “Unified Theory of Climate” which proved that the temperature relationship with the altitudinal changes of pressure, prove that the physical nature of the so-called Greenhouse Effect is in fact a Pressure-induced Thermal Inertia which is independent of the atmospheric chemical composition. Ned Nikolov spoke at the London Climate Change Conference on Thursday, 8th September 2016 about this. By early 2018, the scientist who had just proven that Climate Change is caused by Galactic Cosmic Rays regulating the Earth’s Cloud Albedo, Professor Henrik Svensmark, was invited to speak in the Committee rooms of the Houses of Parliament on Tuesday, March 13, 2018. In fact, for two hundred years, Astronomers from William Herschel onwards had known about correlations between Climate Change and Sun Spot numbers, this was followed by more accurate correlations with Solar Cycle Length and then finally, the Hale Magnetic Solar Cycle. By 2018 it had been established that these correlations are caused by the speed of the centre of the Sun relative to the centre of mass or barycentre of the Solar System, which determines the length of the solar cycles, or more importantly the 22 year, Hale Magnetic Solar Cycle. This in turn is caused by the orbits and masses of the Planets, short Hale Magnetic Solar Cycles have higher Solar Magnetic activity due to the increase in the speed of plasma within the Sun. Between 1913 and 1996, only one of eight Solar Cycles was longer than the mean Solar Cycle length of 11.04 years, the last of these was the shortest Solar Cycle for more than 200 years, the strength of the Suns magnetic field more than doubled, the cosmic ray flux fell by 11 percent and there was a 8.6 percent reduction in clouds. This caused alarmism about Global Warming which lead the United Nations to set up the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), but this organisation was corrupted by environmentalism, politics, conflicts of interest and the corruption of the scientific method, as well as the fact that amongst the 40,000 delegates at the 2015 Paris Summit of the UN Convention on Climate Change, Climate Scientists did not dominate the debates that produced the agreement. This lead many Climate scientists to call for the IPCC to be disbanded as well as to set up the 2016 London Climate Change Conference, which was dominated by Causational Climate scientists such as Atmospheric Physicists, Solar Astronomers and Meteorologists. This also resulted in US President, Donald Trump, to end US funding for the IPCC in 2017, and to say that man-made Climate Change is a “Hoax”.


      • Loobyloo says:

        Thank you, I appreciate your expertise!


      • Up2snuff says:

        Richard, atmospherics apart, there is plenty more evidence that AGW is a hoax:
        1a. In the UK, the fact that Government imposed taxes not on all carbon emissions but selectively
        1b. In the UK, the fact that Government took measures that actually increased emissions from the first activity that they punitively taxed
        1c. In the UK, the fact that Government actually had reason to benefit from harm ie. increased tax revenues
        1d. In the UK, the fact that Government did not immediately invest in energy production using the least CO2 generating source, and,
        2. The theory that we are on a planet that has a self-adjusting and self-healing capability and processes as a living biosphere.


    • StewGreen says:

      Mel Phillips video, begins by explaining when she worked for the Guardian they would use lies in the stories , cos they said that was OK cos they were “reflecting a greater truth”

      min 32 about Progressism and Left/lib Groupthink
      Why is this groupthink happening ?
      We have these IDEOLOGIES and they are ideas which drive everything before them.
      (Replacing religion the followers believe) They are ideas which cannot be challenged because they are so powerful.
      Why are they so powerful ? because they are all a drive to the perfection of the world.

      Green Grouthink
      Deep green environmentalists believe that their governing idea is all about saving the planet from extinction.
      Anybody who questions any part of that is automatically not just wrong but a bad person because that person wants to not help protect the environment not help prevent the world from destroying itself.
      And so that person who questions any part of deep green environmentalism has to be literally suppressed prevented from speaking , because that person embodies evil incarnate.
      And I don’t exaggerate: people who oppose or are skeptical of manmade global warming theory are called DENIERS in a specific attempt to equate the denial of manmade global warming theory with those who deny the Holocaust.
      So it’s a specific attempt to equate them with genocidal lunatics and that is absolutely par for the course, and that is not challenged.

      Min 34min about BBC
      R4Today is 3 hours of groupthink


    • Loobyloo says:

      Thanks for this – really interesting. I don’t consider myself particularly naive, but I was shocked about her introductory story of the fabricated war story in the Guardian. Not surpised that she isn’t invited to speak in some circles!! Think I will buy her book.


  30. TrickCyclist says:

    This evening’s EastEnders:
    In brief, Mick Carter (for the uninitiated, landlord of the Queen Vic) goes out with his old mate Stuart. Stuart is the very BBC image of a 35-40yr old working-class white male – bald, bantering, lairy and thuggish.
    Mick nicks Stuart’s phone as a wind-up. Stuart goes violently bananas when he can’t find it and has to be dragged out of the club they’re in. Shortly thereafter, and puzzled by Stu’s behaviour, Mick has a look through his phone – and finds pictures and text conversations that indicate Stuart is a paedophile groomer. Oh dear.
    The absence of BBC reporting on Muslim rape gangs has been highlighted by many on these pages – but then, why report the world as it is when you can re-invent it in a version you prefer in soap opera form?


    • StewGreen says:

      Big Brother says the big problem is Gammon Groom/Rape gangs
      .. #ParallelUniverse


  31. Dover Sentry says:

    The BBC and the rest of the Left have yet to realise that that the USA is by far the most powerful country in the world.

    It’s economy for instance, dwarfs that of the EU and Russia combined.

    It’s military capability both nuclear and conventional outguns by far any opposition.

    But the USA is a benign democracy and doesn’t seek world domination, thankfully.

    However, the BBC hate Trump.

    Trump is justified in withdrawing all military support for NATO and imposing whatever tariffs he desires.

    The EU comprise only 14% of world trade. They need to show some respect.


  32. StewGreen says:

    24 Carat Anti-Brexit Propaganda on Look North Hull Tonight #ProjectFear
    … How can you talk about Russian Funding etc. when that prog used licence payers ££s to fly our LOCAL NEWS reporter to Germany to make an advert for Remain Activists ?

    .. If a German Car Import transport company want to give an opinion then just report it.
    There is no need to make a 10 minute fancy item, with fancy graphics, where you FLY to German and interview him with his main point being

    Michael Bünning of @BLGLOGISTICS said
    ” The very best ideal solution for me is to have another referendum in the UK stopping the Brexit (sic)
    … If we have a hard Brexit the duty will be about 10% which makes a car 10% more expensive”
    (Does that 10% go to the unicorns ?
    No it goes to UK gov
    Who could if they wanted simply knock 10% of UK car purchase taxes.
    Brexit will also allow us to buy cheaper cars from Nin-EU countries

    She made a big stunt look here we are in German with a car that come from Slovenia 24 hours ago; I’m putting the Look North Card on the dashboard.
    Then H”ere we near Immingham and the Look North Car has arrived ”
    Duh .. all you did was put a car on a ferry and then see it arrive at the opposite port !

    Worker “the car arrives from the factory to customer in 20 days”
    That doesn’t seem super fast to me


    • StewGreen says:

      Their final interview was with the local MP Martin Vickers who then totally rubbished the claims saying it’s upto the EU to negotiate and have minimum/zero tariffs.

      At the end of the show all the viewers comments supported him
      They read out a comment that called them “BiasedBBC” “Another Brexit scare story from the Biased BBC”
      SarahCorkerNews last interview was in Bridlington with Bob Geldof telling her bad Brexit is
      ..Which Anti-Brexiteer will she interview next ?


      • StewGreen says:

        The show was about Kia cars. Kia is a Korean company
        I wonder if the only reason they have a factory in Slovenia is cos of EU trade barriers
        It produces less than 10% of Kia’s output.
        90% of Kia cars are made outside the EU, maybe they will be cheaper when we get them straight from Korea,


        • gb123 says:

          re KIa
          I worked on several auto logistics projects for UK, US and Japanese supply chains. Some of the details on landed costs were surprising. For example you could get components from Indian companies to the UK for a similar price even with the trade barriers. So I think the BBC report shows the politics involved and the interests of German industry rather than the full potential after Brexit to look to other markets.


  33. Guest Who says:

    Shenanigan upon shenanigan. And it is getting hard to sort out anything when the bbc is involved.


    • Guest Who says:

      The two tweets referred to as follows:

      The media bubble seems to be imploding on itself.


  34. Guest Who says:

    Shenanigan is clearly let mot du jour.


  35. Guest Who says:

    Has the bbc addressed this, I wonder?


  36. Guest Who says:

    Meanwhile here the bbc is going the denial route, given the accusation is at present a little shy on substance. And commenters have noticed, meaning things could be going better.


    • StewGreen says:

      Wow I’ve never heard of a nightclub that has free/cheap entry for women
      .. but not for men …./sarc


      • Guest Who says:

        Seems this hit piece was penned by someone alert to trigger claims from a near relative but not terribly au fait with reality, or basic journalistic practice.

        Or, as the bbc would name them, a ‘reporter’.

        Hence not doing too well with the readership so far.

        McAlpine media practices. Still.


  37. StewGreen says:

    Labour’s @garywolfieswain
    Still stands by his Anti-Rotherham families tweet
    I’ve not seem him called out on MSM


  38. Guest Who says:

    Surely one for Pulitzer hunting Katty?


  39. Thatcherrevolutionary says:
    Anyone heard of this ?


    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      Oooooofffftttt !!!!!!

      ‘We are supportive of the concept of a national broadcaster producing high-quality programmes, helping unify the nation around a common culture. However, the BBC’s ‘progressive’ bias renders it unfit to fulfil its function. News reporting tends to be one sided, often including stories that are obviously included to promote an idea such as transexualism and assisted suicide. The overwhelming cultural bias evident in other programming, including children’s, is even worse. The BBC’s influence skews national debate and leads to widely held and reasonable views being regarded as dangerous extremism. The BBC should begin to compete with other media companies on a level playing field. The licence fee should purchase access to BBC output, but not paying the fee should not restrict access to other TV’


      • Dystopian says:

        RE Scottish Family Party…

        “Many Muslims in Scotland and the UK are model citizens, contributing broadly and embracing shared fundamental freedoms and principles.

        Political Islam is a dynamic factor on the world political stage and, though the religious tenets of Islam are of no political concern, the moral and political systems are. Muslim-majority countries tend towards draconian laws, persecution of minorities, and suppression of freedom of religion and expression, and violence towards non-Muslims is common. These practices seem to find their source in the teaching of the Quran and the moral example of Muhammad. We must ensure that our nation does not head in this direction in the longer term.

        We must reject all proposals to integrate elements of Sharia law into the UK and Scottish legal system.

        Freedom of religion and expression must be upheld: no one has the right not to be offended.

        Frank public debate about all aspects of Islam should not be curtailed by political correctness and fear of prosecution.

        Funding of Islamic activity here by states that persecute non-Muslims in their own land should be stopped. Saudi-funded Edinburgh Central Mosque, for example, stands as a monument to double standards.

        Those supporting or encouraging terrorism should be prosecuted vigorously.

        Surveys show that views incompatible with an open democratic society are widespread among British Muslims, with some second generation immigrants being more radical than their parents. Integration and assimilation are not progressing as well as we would like. There is, therefore, good reason to keep immigration of Muslims to a very low level, particularly those from countries where extremism is rife.

        Muslim schools must be monitored closely.

        Our nation is founded on values and principles that have made it prosperous and free. It is our responsibility to pass on these benefits for our children and grandchildren.”

        The tide is changing.


    • JimS says:

      Supporting family life? Sounds dangerously extreme far-right compared to our beloved PM’s policies!


  40. chrisH says:

    I for one do worry about German car manufacturers maybe adding a few Euros onto the price of a Daimler window wiper if we get the full Brexit. We really need to stay in the EU.
    Likewise, I for one really was inclined to vote to stay in the EU and to welcome Turkey in too-when that nice Mr Juncker said something about roaming charges maybe coming down by a cent or two per quarter.
    What`s wrong with us all?
    Verhofstad showed us his Brylcreem buttie next to a dead bird in a box, we turned down a cent in roaming charges if we phone from Latvia on Saturday evenings, and my Bosch widget might cost me an extra Euro now.
    The BBC are right-Brexit is really horrid poopy pants , and I for one don`t want sovereignty at all. The BBC never mention sovereignty , so it`s bound to be too scary and complex for us to understand.
    Free Tom Robinson! He was once good to be gray, but he`s gay this week.
    He once “sang” he had a brother called Martin-but he`s lying. Fake News.
    Good soy boys like me love Common Purpose.
    Tom or Billy-which one hits more off notes per minute?


  41. pugnazious says:

    The BBC has an absolutely poisonous narrative about Trump…everything he does is bad. You can’t imagine any of this being said about Obama in any circumstance.

    Trump’s meeting wth Kim Jong Un has always been framed as a win for Kim Jong Un as he gets to meet the US president and wins even if he walks away from the summit. Listening to Today you got the impression that Trump was making a huge strategic mistake…if it was Obama the BBC would have the flags out celebrating his peace-making efforts. The BBC has always misreported and misconstrued Trump’s sabre-rattling as ‘real’, a real threat to world peace, and aimed at North Korea when in fact it was aimed at China to pressure them into placing sanctions on NK and for them to try and talk sense to Kim Jong Un.

    It worked. When Trump suddenly called off the meeting the BBC jeered and said he couldn’t be trusted and was temperamental…in fact it was a measured tactic to deal with North Korea’s sudden and aggressive verbal attacks on the US as is their usual ‘negotiating’ performance. Trump pulled the rug…carry on with this behaviour and your moment in the sun is off. North Korea wound its neck in and the meeting was suddenly back on. The BBC completely misinterpreted this event.

    We heard from Today that events at G7 and Trump’s response to Trudeau was just him ‘lashing out’ to show how strong he was…what we don’t get from the BBC is any idea of what really was going on…Trudeau had ‘lashed out’ at Trump and US tariffs saying Canada would retaliate strongly….this after the G7 meet was over. No idea from the BBC that Canada imposes very hefty tariffs on US products. The impression given is that Trump is acting completely unreasonably and without justification.

    Then back to the photo of Trump at the G7….Vine [all £700,000 worth of him] told us Trump was aggressive and glaring at Merkel in the photo…in fact Trump has a small smile on his face and is actually listening to Macron not Merkel…


    Vine brings in a extremely daft art historian to tell us what is going on in the photo…apparently it is a confrontation [in fact an after meeting chat] and that the photo shows ‘mutual loathing’ and Trump is the ‘personification of the Devil’ here….no, really!!!

    Mutual loathing?…not in this photo…..look like having a good laugh together…..


    The BBC’s Andrew Walker told us that Trump found it a pretty uncomfortable experience..really? How’d he know? Canada showed restraint [er…no…Trudeau ‘lashed out’] and the US had a ‘strident response’…or a completely justified one.

    On Today we had a British diplomat who was entirely contemptuous of Trump and those who voted for Brexit, which was of course a stupid mistake. If you want a masterclass in pompous, supercillious, arrogant, patronising, superior, sneery contemptuousness have a listen to the last 10 minutes of Today….the ‘Swamp’ is alive and well in Britain as in the US. He told us that Trump’s style of diplomacy was a danger to the world and completely unworkable, only quiet, respectful and polite diplomacy could get results…er…as with Iran, Israel, North Korea, Russia/Crimea, Assad, China? Obama failed on all those as did every ‘diplomatic’ diplomat.

    One moment of clarity and reality came surprisingly from ‘The Beauty’ as Sopel admitted that orthodox, conventional politics or diplomacy could not have got Kim Jong Un to the negotiating table and that maybe some credit might be due to Trump. That had to stick in the throat as he said it.


    • JamesArthur says:

      Excellent example Pug of how the media manipulate…..
      Haven’t we all been in a picture that if taken without context makes us look angry, sad , happy etc when we are far from it…that’s what the BBC and other MSM are good at. Find a picture and write their interpretation..


  42. pugnazious says:

    Interesting how the BBC framed Italy’s refusal to accept the illegal migrants…apparently the Italian government was doing this because it was ‘far-right’….so how does the BBC explain Malta’s refusal to take the illegal migrants? Is Malta also ‘far-right’? The BBC later changed their reports to the slightly less contentious ‘right-wing’.

    Interesting to see the BBC now calling these people ‘migrants’ not asylum seekers…in other words they are just invading Europe not seeking refuge. I object to the word ‘rescued’ used to describe how they were picked up by the NGO ship…they have been encouraged by the NGO’s, and indeed by the BBC itself, to set sail in dodgy, overcrowded boats in the knowledge they will be picked up by the NGO’s and shipped to Europe…it’s not a ‘rescue’ but people trafficking.

    And what of Labour’s ‘hostile environment’ for illegal immigrants that the BBC tells us was a cruel Tory policy? Why does the BBC not get similarly outraged about this EU policy which is surely the same thing?…

    European leaders in talks to create migrant camp outside the EU in a ‘not particularly attractive’ country
    ‘European leaders are in talks to create a camp for asylum seekers outside the EU in a country seen as being ‘not particularly attractive’ to traffickers.

    The migrant centre would be in a non-EU European nation that is ‘not on the migrants’ or the human traffickers’ list of preferred destinations’.
    ‘To be honest, it would be in a country that is not on the migrants’ or the human traffickers’ list of preferred destinations,’ Rasmussen said in the speech.


  43. Eddy Booth says:

    Banksy artwork rejected for Royal Academy summer exhibition
    ”A Banksy artwork submitted under a false name was rejected by the Royal Academy – then displayed after he sent it in again using his real identity.”

    kind of funny on a few levels, the BBC never use Banskys real name, but always tell us who the pseudonym Tommy Robinson is,
    And he didn’t get what he wanted fairly, but happy to get his way by another means – and his subject is brexit…

    ‘Article sure ticks the boxes Politically correct Banskys and a bent transvestite :
    The summer exhibition has been co-curated by Grayson Perry. The Turner Prize-winning ceramic artist said he wanted to celebrate the “democratic rough and tumble” of the world’s largest open-submission show.’

    ”The Royal Academy has been approached for comment but has yet to respond”
    oh so the bbc think it’s just the Academy who has questions to answer and not bansky


  44. taffman says:

    In this year of equality and feminism how about some “shirtless” female shots Al Beeb?


  45. taffman says:

    \\Student loans ‘heading for trillion pounds’//
    Too many students . Most school leavers would be better off getting a real job.
    Many are wasting their lives and money studying for useless ‘ologies’ .


    • Dystopian says:

      “Useless ologies”?
      Don’t be daft they can fast track to become detectives now as long as they have a degree.


  46. Richard Pinder says:

    How the BBC manipulates the Truth: In intellectual circles its called “BBC Censorship”

    Its getting very bad at the BBC: The Corbynistas are blaming the Jews, but Climate scientist Piers Corbyn has told his brother Jeremy that Trump is correct about it being a hoax. And a foreigner George Soros says he wants to fund a second referendum, but the Blairites are blaming Russian foreigners for the result of the first referendum, which was a no, to continued rule of Britain, by unelected foreigners. Also the Skripals are thought to be still alive despite MI6 knowing that they are Russians who could defy a D-Notice and talk to RT.


  47. Guest Who says:

    Not the bbc, but they do get a dishonourable mention in comparison in the comments. Which, yes, could indeed be going better.


    • Englands Dreaming says:

      Funny that, because when I watched the handshaking clip, it seemed to me that Trump was in complete control of the situation.


  48. Gunner says:

    Much enjoying Al Beeb’s coverage of the Singapore Sling this morning- to quote Charlie on the Breakfast Sofa, “we know nothing”. As the assembled beeboids in Singapore have not the slighted idea what is going on (as, clearly, they have zero access to the US delegation) they have been in their usual “managing expectations” mode which is to say talking down the prospects for any positive outcome coupled with claims that the North Korean dictator is the potential “winner”. But hush – here comes the signing ceremony ……