Start the Week open Thread 14th May 2018

The President of Turkey, apparently, is paying Blighty a visit. I wonder what spin al beeb puts on it ?

Plenty to vex us as always. Enjoy,.

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702 Responses to Start the Week open Thread 14th May 2018

  1. Guest Who says:

    Rachel is so on it. Gaza next?

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    • BRISSLES says:

      Children are fine – when they are newly born. Its all the time after that – especially when they become gobby yuni students who think they know everything, but know nothing !

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Bris – once upon a time a had a job interviewing candidates for a career in a public service . So – read the application form – mark grammatical errors and spelling errors wiv a red pen .

        When the kids with nice 2-1s from a red brick came in with that cock sured “ give me the job “ attitude – i would hand them their apllication and ask them to explain the red bits . – I hasten to add – I did it for every colour and all two genders

        Would not be allowed now .

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  2. Beeb Brother says:

    ‘University racism complacency warning.’

    Behold our racism non-story of the day. Nothing has actually happened, obviously – actual racist incidents disappeared about forty years ago. Someone paid to uncover racism has said something to further her career.

    If there is an ‘achievement gap’ between certain groups perhaps some groups do not value education as much as others so do not work as hard? They just do not get the equal opportunities versus equal outcomes issue. What more can we possibly do to give everyone a fair chance? Whites are already openly discriminated against in applications, can you get any more extreme than that?

    I have worked at school where BAME kids are bullied by certain peers for ‘acting white’ when they study hard. Disparities are due to culture, not racism. This key issue is never, ever mentioned by those who purport to care deeply about the problem.

    Ain’t no fluke with the gook: the Chinese have a fantastic work ethic and strong family values which is why they out perform the British. They should be held up as an example of how immigrants can excel if they have the right attitude. Of course that will not happen as it is much easier to just smear us Brits as a load of vile racists.

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      ‘Complacency’ meaning no actual problem. You get complacent when you are succeeding at something.

      Why not a headline about how well we are doing to achieve equality, which we indeed are? I am sick of all these race pimps stirring things up.

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    • Guest Who says:

      How to ensure you get an ‘M’ in media studies:

      Brain food for GCSEs at Ramadan

      Here are six tips if you're observing Ramadan during your GCSEs Read more: https://bbc.in/2wHtYCJ

      Posted by Newsbeat on Tuesday, May 15, 2018

         17 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      There is a Facebook version.

      Are unis "complacent" over lower grades for minority ethnic people?

      Posted by Newsbeat on Tuesday, May 15, 2018

      Not quite sure how they have managed to mix performance with racism, but this is the bbc.

         16 likes

    • kaffir Latte says:

      It’s uncomfortable for some people to read (echoes of Nazi aryan supremacy and the absolute inhumane horrors that led to) but studies show far Eastern IQ at around 106, white European around 100 and sub Saharan around 86.

      If you look at history the greatest scientific and artistic discoveries show that to be true.

      It doesn’t mean you can’t be an exceptional Nobel prize winning sub Saharan but the odds are against you.

      https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2016.00399 is a study by Rinderman in which all sorts of disadvantages were acknowledged and counter-weighed such as war, poverty, nutrition, family size, schooling etc.

      Not that the bBBC or Common Purpose types will ever be able to constructively discuss this.

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  3. Guest Who says:

    Norm has a keyboard and is prepared to use it. Badly.

       16 likes

    • JimS says:

      Immigration is ‘to big’. Cut the numbers, cut the administration jobs, empty the roads, reduce house prices, make it safer to walk the streets. Job done. (Are Lammy’s papers in order?)

         5 likes

  4. scribblingscribe says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/15/she-prayed-she-would-be-martyred-gaza-parents-mourn-their-dead

    The Guardian is honest for once. BBC should learn from this item in today’s Guardian:

    ‘She prayed she would be martyred’: Gaza parents mourn their dead

    “At 14 years old, Wesal Sheikh Khalil had already made plans for her funeral. If Israeli troops were to shoot her during protests on the Gaza border, the Palestinian teenager had told her mother, she should be buried at the spot where she died or in the plot next to her grandfather’s grave.

    “She thought death was better than this life,” said Reem Abu Irmana a day after she lost her youngest daughter. “Every time she went to the demonstrations she prayed to God that she would be martyred.””

    So a 14 year old child has been brainwashed to give up her life for Hamas and the BBC, the most trusted broadcaster in the world, cannot bring itself mention this.

    This article explains fully why people are dying when charging for the Israeli border,

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  5. G says:

    Just when you thought that certain individuals were dead and well buried, they return to haunt the airwaves. That ghoul Ed Balls has resurfaced on Toady. Nothing has changed, I will always savour the memory of his demeanour when he lost his seat. Now, he’s involved with a “Report” which condemns Brexit needless to say and Robinson enhances Ball’s fervour by throwing into the pond the fly on a hook and line as bait: Chlorinated Chicken.
    My listening to R4 has dramatically reduced over the past six months or so, so, how fellow contributors can still bear to watch a BBC channel is incomprehensible to me with their increasing team of foreigners involved with news. I guess that’s just to assist the transition to an islamic Britain when perhaps all the news we are likely to hear on the BBC originates in Pakistan or the Middle East.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      G
      I m trying to follow your lead on limiting exposure to al beeb which I compare to nuclear radiation. . I’d switched off toady by the time Ed bollox came on

      There is a remainer theme on al beeb . MPs who have been thrown out in democratic elections are given air time by the State broadcaster to tell us were were wrong .

      The other theme is that if these characters had cared for their constituents a bit more instead of getting adddicted to the international troughing they might still have a little bit of legitimacy .

      The colour white is becoming an ethnic minority on the state broadcaster very quickly .this is not purely a matter of race . It is a matter of 1000s of years of our national culture being rubbished in a couple of decades

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  6. Nibor says:

    I want to trough it at the BBC . If I tell them that vans driving around London telling illegals to put their affairs in order and leave the country are worse than vans that drive into shoppers to maim and kill , will I get a job ?

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  7. G.W.F. says:

    Not enough black professors says BBC, quoting from labour party member black skinned Baroness Amos, director of the School of Oriental and African Studies (Soas), which is a crap university which hands out degrees in white oppression studies and the like.She completed a degree in Sociology at the University of Warwick (1973–76), and also later took courses in cultural studies at the University of Birmingham and the University of East Anglia
    I cannot locate any evidence of published academic work, other than a list of political posts.

    I suggest that all black academics should be recorded with the letter B next to their name in citations and publications so that hiring bodies would identify them on paper as having black skin and therefore entitlement to higher level academic posts.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44125777

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    • Fedup2 says:

      GW
      That particular lady should do a double act with baroness Scotland ( who is black- secretary or similar or the commonwealth ) and snout truly in the trough . Worst forms of tick boxing and setting race relations back – merit is what matters not colour .

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    • Guest Who says:

      Or, possibly, simply not enough professors of actual topics of value…?

         11 likes

      • BRISSLES says:

        I’m always astounded that ‘mixed race’ tend to promote (in most cases) the black side of their heritage. Halle Berry, Afua Hirsch, Thandie Newton et al, are all at it, and now Meghan Markle has suddenly become the poster girl to beat all poster girls for the accolade. Yet, one of our best female singers ever never ‘pushed’ her heritage in our faces, – I’m thinking the gal from Tiger Bay – Shirley Bassey, and because of that we just accepted her, and race was never an issue.

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        • JimS says:

          Because this is the age of the ‘victim’, the more ‘victim’ you are the better.

          ‘Blacks’ are victims because they are either descended from slaves, (maxi-victims) or come from countries that had all of their resources stolen by the evil ‘white’ colonialists. I’m not sure how that explains the gold, diamonds, copper and oil etc. that remain, which attracts the attention of the evil ‘yellow’ colonialists now.

          No-one wants to be ‘high-born’ now. Can’t be long before Harry claims to be the son of a nightclub bouncer or the like.

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          • BRISSLES says:

            Can’t be long before Harry claims to be the son of a nightclub bouncer or the like…….

            Well, surely everyone knows his Daddy wasn’t a royal ! (I was told this before Harry started school, by a reputable old newspaper man. This same chap also informed me that Judy Finnegan was an alcoholic, um, old news)

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        • davylars says:

          Didn’t Michael Jackson turn white?
          Definitely let the side down..

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        • G.W.F. says:

          Yes. Shirley Bassey had a voice, and when we listened to her we never thought of black skin.
          She was from Tiger Bay – Cardiff.

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  8. StewGreen says:

    11:30am Right on BBC air a Cerebral palsy comedian
    ..He opens by making a racist joke about Geordies being thick

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  9. Fedup2 says:

    Rant time

    I have just listened to a programme on al beeb called “ a church in crisis” no question mark involved. It was presented by some one called William Crawley . A quick check – he was a Northern Irish Protestant vicar before becoming a journo .

    The programme was a muddled 30 minutes concerning the forthcoming referendum on the legalisation of killing unborn babies / abortion – according to taste and the tarnished past of the Roman Catholic Church .

    There were huge failures in this programme –

    1 Treating Ireland as an isolated country . It was a long time ago but not since Ryanair and the web

    2 the complex relationship between members of the church and its rules – contraception and ending life for one .

    3 that title . Treating the RC church as a static state and it’s level of power through history . Nothing stays the same – even interpretation of the New Testament .

    Anyway – the first mention. Of Christianity -Jesus Christ – didn’t come until minute 15 . Which I also thought was very al beeb .

    Rant over – sorry to bring religion here and o know it’s dangerous . I just can’t think albeeb would give that treatment to Islam .

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    • MartinW says:

      And on religion, R4 ‘Thought for the Day’ with Angela Tilbey, Canon Emeritus of Christ Church Cathedral, Oxford, who spent her allotted time praising Ramadan and saying how it challenged her faith.

         22 likes

      • JamesArthur says:

        Maybe she is in the wrong church then? I have to admit I get fed up with high level Christians banging on about Islam and how lovely it is…Funny I never hear it around the other way…
        please BBC find a Muslim who loves Christianity and LGBQ

        We are in dire need of some real leadership in this country, people who believe the majority should have the majority say, who believe in our culture…at the moment the majority are ruled by the minorities .
        I feel a change is coming – just not sure when…sorry a rant

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        • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

          James, There was a Muslim in Scotland who found Christianity and Christians lovely and Tweeted about it but was promptly murdered for it by another Muslim.

          How can you not know about this? The BBC are banging on about this all the time, week in week out….er…no… wait…

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    • Rich says:

      Fed,

      Crawley loves the sound of his own voice whilst ‘asking the questions people want’, already confident he knows the answer.

      A pseudo who believes his lapsed religious dedication has granted him an enlightenment and wisdom beyond and better than his Protestant roots which so many others/ lessers have not yet, and never will, attain. Bit of a smartarse who doesn’t seem particularly pleasant or as popularly relevant in Northern Ireland as I think he thinks he is.

         8 likes

      • Fedup2 says:

        Rich
        I was trying to work out what his programme was trying to achieve – apart from the obvious undermining of Christianity .

        Sure -the Irish will vote to legalise the termination of babies / abortion / killing – take your pick but there has always been a “tension” over sex issues in the left footers – it doesn’t signal the end of the religion this chap seems to see.

        Declaration – I’m male so some might disqualify me from discussions about what ladies do with the baby inside them .

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  10. StewGreen says:

    OT but about libEstablisment censorship
    Lefties of course praised legal action against an oil corp in Ecuador
    ..but time went on and the suit turned out to concocted by fraudulant lawyers.
    Lefties stopped talking .. PhelimMcAleer who exposed environmentalists in Fracknation, wrote a play about the suit
    but the libEstablishment have tried to thrawt him, by refusing theaters etc.
    The next step is Twitter censoring his promotion by saying it’s “Sensitive Content”
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1009530098/fracknation/posts/2188714?ref=backer_project_update
    It’s now been uncensored here

       14 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      So Twitter have you got a NEW form of Soft-Censorship ?

         16 likes

  11. scribblingscribe says:

    A Nobel prize winning physicist doesn’t appear to agree with the arts and humanities graduates at the BBC about man creating the slight warming of the last 100 years.

    he does so with good humour.

    If you have 30 mins of your time then you could spend it doing something far less useful – like watching what passes for science on the BBC.

    watch?v=AEYuYCKv5Vo

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  12. StewGreen says:

    Windrush may have been deported
    Javid said
    \\63 cases where people who could have entered UK from Caribbean before 1973 – as part of Windrush generation have been removed or deported from UK.
    – 32 were foreign national offenders,
    – 31 administrative removals ie told to leave //
    Remember being a Pre-1973 Windrush doesn’t guarantee you citizenship, cos you must not leave the UK for more than 2 years before you citizenship is regularlised.
    So even if you worked years paid taxes, then went to Jamaica to retire using a Jamaican passport, and then after 2 years decided to smuggle drugs into the UK and get caught, your deportation would be legal.
    Yet if your brother had regularlised his British status and then done the same thing, he wouldn’t get deported

    And even if you came back to Britain and committed no crime ..an order to deport you would not be ILLEGAL, cos having left the UK for more than 2 years you would not have citizenship rights.

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  13. Dystopian says:

    Treezer has miraculously found a spare £400 million to remove dangerous cladding from tower blocks. I wonder whose moneys it is.
    Whoever specified the cladding in the first place should surely stump up the cash! Someone made a lot of profit from selling the stuff too.

       31 likes

    • G says:

      Dys,
      “Someone made a lot of profit from selling the stuff too.” Maybe the non-exec directors of the companies involved should be looked at to see their links to politicians…………………… Just thinking.

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    • Swelter says:

      Dystopian… The cladding was added to buildings at the insistence of the Eco lobby to reduce a buildings Carbon footprint and to help insulate it as energy bills skyrocket. It was an EU approved cladding that was chosen over a British fireproof one which was more expensive. It was John Prescott’s (remember him?) department that chose the EU one. In fairness whether or not the cladding was fireproof is immaterial as a fire man of my acquaintance pointed out that all the cladding did was bypass the built in fireproofing. and acted as an enormous chimney. The use of pointless cladding can be laid in my opinion at the door of the Green Lobby…But that isn’t going to happen Cheers

         50 likes

  14. StewGreen says:

    https://www.yorkmix.com/news/judges-order-york-council-to-pay-sacked-teacher-nearly-650k-for-disability-discrimination/

    Well he broke the law he showed 15 year olds an 18 film
    Still a warning would have been the correct thing rather than sacking

       12 likes

    • MarkyMark says:

      “Mr Grosset has always admitted that this was a mistake, made under huge stress exacerbated by his illness.” – simple mistake, might have been other problems not revealed.

         4 likes

  15. StewGreen says:

    22 May BBC 2 Manchester bomb attacker life story
    BBC PR teamed up with the Times

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    • StewGreen says:

      Talking about bomber Abedi

      Yet within the group there was a troubling pattern of violence towards women. Abedi’s cousin was jailed after he told a pregnant woman he wanted to kill her unborn child and kicked her so hard in the face it left a shoe imprint.
      Another friend is in prison for domestic violence and another is on a restraining order.
      Violence towards women appears normalised to these young men.
      An anonymous individual who knew Abedi explained: “They hit women, treat women like trash, talk down at girls.”

      Hafsa a female school friend of Abedi talked about a meeting she was invited to
      \\Hafsa and a dozen others sat in front of a projector screen expecting to be taught about religion. But those running the session were recruiting for Isis. Hafsa explained: “They were teaching us the history of the Islamic State and how every country was once an Islamic State. //
      \\Those running the session were female converts, she says, “white women that were now Muslims”.//

         18 likes

    • MarkyMark says:

      “My search for Salman Abedi” – it’s about the terrorist, not the victims.

         1 likes

  16. StewGreen says:

    Trans and kicked out the Labour Party for saying anti-white racist stuff
    Channel 4 will give you a show
    10pm \\ transgender model and social activist Munroe Bergdorf examines the changing world of gender and identity. The programme follows Munroe as she undergoes dramatic facial feminisation surgery as part of tackling her gender dysphoria, and challenges science and social norms of gender, to understand how our body, behaviour and brains help define who we are.//

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  17. StewGreen says:

    R4 Laurie is doing ANOTHER f-ing show about Marxism
    The prog began with the Red Flag song
    ..FFS it’s only 2 weeks since he was playing the version by Billy Bragg

    “The problem with Marx is he never developed theory of Womens’ Oppression”
    ..Yeh that right that’s the problem with Marx
    Now he’s brought on a Marxist Muslim woman ..”patriachy” (tick box)
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b2kpm0

       18 likes

    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Stew – bet you’re enjoying the Iranian lady’s waffle…

      So much BS in so short a time…

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew
      Could you imagine how long he’d have lasted in one of the gulags?

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    • G.W.F. says:

      BBC dragging in Laurie Taylor who knows bugger all about Marxism.
      I did have a bit of a hand in Marx and women during a period I collaborated with Trotski’s former secretry, Raya Dunayevskaya, who was aware of Marx’s shortcomings in this area. I had been encouraging Raya in her interest in Hegel, who Marx had in many ways misunderstood, and his followers had completely misread. Raya published ‘Rosa Luxemburg, Women’s Liberation, and Marx’s Philosophy of Revolution in 1982, a couple of years before her death. Published posthumously was her collection of writings, published in 1985, Women’s Liberation and the Dialectics of Revolution.
      Most of Marxist writing is BS but occasionally one finds people struggling within that framework to develop their thoughts. But the socialist society yoonie Trots in the BBC would never cope with
      it.

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  18. smoogie7 says:

    The BBC’s view on today’s PMQs:

    ‘Brexit at PMQs: Corbyn tells PM to ‘step aside’ and let Labour do deal’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44137149

    And this is why I do not own a TV s I don’t have to pay these lefties to broadcast their views.

    They would love to see Corbyn as PM for sure!

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  19. Eddy Booth says:

    Celebrating mixed-race identity
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/celebrating_our_mixed_race_identity
    ”Meghan Markle is set to become the first dual-heritage member of the Royal Family. She’s spoken of the difficulties of defining her ethnicity. Here, seven people from mixed backgrounds pick out objects that define them. ”

    It’s the new racism- if you aint mixed you are seen as lacking -inferior – genetically iinadequate .

    1920-opening-image-main-e-mr.jpg

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    • G.W.F. says:

      Eddy Booth

      Although different in presentation, it shares the same mind set as the doctrine of Rassenhygiene which sought protection from mixing the race. This version seeks mixture as a form of protection from the so called unmixed race.
      I imagine school inspectors checking to see if children are sufficiently mixed.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Eddy
      Thank you for introducing a new term to me ‘dual heritage’hereinafter known as. DH. Bit like that false internet term snowflakes were going on about – mutton? Bacon. ? Quorn?

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  20. Sluff says:

    Biased BBC webshite really popping the champagne corks as socialist nirvan gets a liitle closer with the news that the East Coast railway is to be taken into public ownership.
    Just a few questions on this.
    1. If the service is crap, who do you complain to ? And what incentive do they have to do anything about it ?
    2. How do you stop the government spending a bottomless pit of money on the service to keep everyone quiet?
    3. Why do we believe politicians can run a business better than business people?

       21 likes

    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      Well, why not have everything running on the same basis, but, umm, err, eventually they would run out of other peoples money to spend.

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  21. Sluff says:

    Well, we’ve had nearly two years since the Brexit vote, so surely after all that BBC doom and gloom propoganda you’d expect that hundreds of thousands of fearful EU citizens would have left the UK and headed for the safe haven of the EU.
    Errrrrrr…………….
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5733909/The-number-EU-citizens-working-Britain-soared-2-37million.html

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  22. Eddy Booth says:

    Male nurse: ‘I was told to become a brickie’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44117542

    ”When David Ferran left school at the age of 17, he was encouraged to learn a trade and become a bricklayer or an electrician.”

    oh, so he wasn’t told he was just encouraged.

    “People ask me, ‘Are you a doctor?’ Then when I say, ‘No, I’m a nurse,’ they say, ‘Do you want to become a doctor?’ I have to say, ‘No, this is what I want to do.’ Some people are surprised.”

    As oppossed to the honest answer, I’d have loved to become a doctor, but sadly, like most people I just didn’t have the necessary brains and super memory .
    Article goes on and on about the gender inbalance in nursing, fails to address one cause ie normal men not wanting to be to do a job associated with bent males.
    Nor does it ask how many female brikies there are..

    _88461316_c0151526-nurses_walking_along_hospital_corridor-spl.jpg
    Nine in 10 nurses are women

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  23. Fedup2 says:

    Al jaz news leads with that cretin of the ReichEU – Tusk – who gave a 10 minute attack on President Trump aimed at destroying any relationship between America and the ReichEU because of Iran / Jerusalem . I guess things like the Marshall Plan which no doubt save Mr Tusk’s grand parents from starving after WW2 is just ‘history’ so can be forgotten.

    Iran is the great enemy – since the french let Khomani to go back the world went to Fuck.

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      I was having a drink with a Polish friend at the weekend. He reckons all Poles think Donald Tusk is an absolute twat. He is thoroughly despised in Poland, but that doesn’t matter to him now he is a Nabob in Brussels.

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  24. Annunaki says:

    Whats the problem with male nurses ? never stopped Bernard Breslaw, he was quite successful years ago and on TV, apart from a problem with the tights as I recall..

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    • Sluff says:

      imagine the furore, well don’t bother to imagine, just take it as read, that the BBC would be, indeed is, apoplectic at the news that ANY occupation was 90% male.
      But when the boot is on the other foot, a strange silent amnesia descends.

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  25. Annunaki says:

    bernie2.jpg

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    • Sluff says:

      I am appalled, truly appalled Annunaki, that you should hold in high esteem a film with such sexist lines as ‘the girl with the large glands’, and ‘that’s a nice pear’, and which denigrates Hansom cab lampfitters as workshy.
      #Justice4CarryOn

         16 likes

      • Annunaki says:

        Dear Mr Sluff,
        I am sincerely sorry for ever finding Mr Bresslaw successful as a nurse, it is clear to me now upon re examination that he lacked the genuine nurses’ attributes of 36DD tits, mini skirt and seamed stockings with stilletos which you will find in any A and E on a Saturday night and I now feel truly admonished

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Annu
          as assistant administrator of our site o must formally warn you that the publication of Bernard Bresslaw wearing a nurses dress could constitute cruel and unusual punishment and upset those of a nervous dispossession like me. Ah Carry on Ooh Matron and film stars called Hattie

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  26. Payne by name says:

    I really can’t get my head around what’s going on with Israel and the Jews.

    I admit that when I was younger, I might have railed against the Jews a bit. Not in any kind of overt anti-Semitism but just a feeling that maybe if they didn’t keep banging about the holocaust, if they didn’t feel compelled to keep reminding you that they were Jewish, stressed about only marrying into their own and just assimilated better, that they would be accepted easier.

    But researching the treatment of Israel, the three wars of survival that they have fought, the numerous times that they’ve tried to negotiate with the Palestinians, the way that their armed forces, politics and culture are open to all – straight and gay – Jews, Christians and Muslims – compared to the ridiculously closed countries around them, I just cannot fathom the brazenly open anti-Semitism.

    Many try to couch it in double speak by saying, we aren’t ragging on the Jews, just the Israelis but that’s patently obvious nonsense. The scales of injustice and unfairness in that area are so weighted against Israel that to claim a neutral position despite the evidence of what Israel has gone through, displays (to me) that clearly your judgement is being warped by anti-Semitism.

    Especially when it comes from the western media. Europe sat by and allowed the Jews to be driven from their shores, exterminated en masse to a point where they either had to flee to safer countries around the world or one tiny spit of land inherently linked to their history that the UN in it’s faux magnanimity deigned to grant them.

    And yet when they were granted that land, they were immediately invaded to be exterminated again right under our very noses. Never mind that the surrounding countries ignored the UN, threw out the specially agreed terms and demonstrated open hostility – that can be swept under the carpet.

    And the Jews fought back, overcame the odds and gave the bullies a bloody nose. And then they were attacked again and then again. So yes, maybe they have full reason to be prickly, they have full reason to say ‘we can’t afford to dick around and hope that these lunatics who have previously attacked us and repeatedly call for our destruction can be trusted’. They don’t have the luxury of waiting to see, they don’t have the ability to wait for the world to step in (not that they would) if they were attacked again. They have a responsibility and a duty to their citizens (all of their citizens – women, children, old and young, black and white, heterosexual and homosexual, Jewish and other faiths) to protect and not put in jeopardy (more than it already is) the lives of their people.

    Yet despite all of this and Europe’s shameful treatment of them, the Beeb and the media think it okay to portray them as evil. Hell, we’ve even come full circle where members of the German media and/or politics think it okay to criticise Israel. Are you having a fucking laugh.

    From a place that was the acorn of civilisation, Israel is the only shining light in the area. The only place where different faiths can properly live and exist, the only place where civil rights and law is properly practiced, the only place where things are invented, patents applied for and advances to the human race made.

    The surrounding lands are a cesspit of sand and sadism. Of hysterical fanatics and medieval attitudes. Lands that offer the world nothing but extremism, nihilism and fear.

    The attitude of the BBC, the hand washing political elite and the mainstream media is dishonest and disgusting. Israel is the tiger in the zoo, trapped in a tiny cage with a hundred sticks endlessly jabbing at it yet we are irate at the tiger. When those jabbing at it have all the surrounding shit holes to populate yet still feel driven to want that one small cage, how can so many in the West (knowing what was done to them in the past) still be oblivious to the unfairness that is being directed at them?

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    • Oaknash says:

      Payne – I think above all and by bitter experience the Israelis understand the true nature of unfettered Islam.

      Something we in the West have long forgotten.
      And something our Governments (through legislation) want to keep buried.

         33 likes

      • Payne by name says:

        I hear you. Many in Europe consider it only a threat to our culture which seemingly they are prepared to flush down the toilet. The Israelis recognise and witness regularly the actual cost of Islam running amok.

           20 likes

    • Annunaki says:

      Well put, wish you were able to get a wider audience for this view which is shared by so many but not the state censors (BBC) who cannot even see 5000 people outside of Downing Street protesting, maybe because they were too white

         29 likes

    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      The only good thing about this Gaza rubbish is that you only need to check a few things to see-yet again-what liars and stirrers the liberal media are in this country.
      From top to bottom, they`re corrupt, cowardly and lying.
      Some good posts linked on this site above, as well as the sterling Melanie Phillips give us the real truth.
      I mean-after Corbyn, Labour and the BBcs endless smearing of Israel, Channel 4s ceaseless barminess over loving the terrorists?
      Is there anybody out there who gives a tinkers cuss(can I say that?) about when Naughtie, Newman or Davis are going to say.
      They hate America, Trump, Brexit and the English. And we somehow pay them to do ti.

         25 likes

  27. Chalkywhite says:

    I see the BBC has plugged a video from the National Institute of Economic and Social Research extolling the benefits of uncontrolled immigration from the EU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=HpLvw8au1AI

    Obviously no sources listed to back up their claims.

    Only anecdotal from me but:

    1. Two factories making the same product. One brings workers over from the EU (ten/twelve on the production line), one uses automation (two on the production line). Guess which one has the highest productivity? Two workers v ten/twelve. Source: Me, anecdotal.
    2. Company used an agency to fill vacancies for the last few years. All/most applicants from the EU. Company recently ditched the agency and used an online recruitment service. The outcome?British based applicants received for the first time in years. Source: Me, anecdotal.
    3. Six people working at a hand car wash. One/Two at an automated car wash. Guess which has the highest productivity? Source: Me, anecdotal
    4. Area of the UK 242,495 km². Source: Google.

       27 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Chalky, you could also ask taxpayers “Which do you prefer to pay for:

      1.35 million unemployed
      or
      350,000 unemployed?”

         17 likes

    • Chalkywhite says:

      Meant to say: 4. Area of the UK 242,495 km². Source: Google. It’s not getting any larger. Why the infatuation with increasing the population at an exponential rate? The infrastructure is already bursting at the seams. Roads clogged up, impossible to get a doctor’s appointment within two weeks, school places limited, A&E at bursting point.

         27 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        Yes, our politicians and Civil Servants have been very negligent for years. They have consistently under-provided across all areas of national life.

        Then, in addition, they have done deliberately stupid things, eg. removing road space from categories of vehicles which then makes congestion worse. Predictable in advance – just some basic economics – but they still did it.

        Then legislating for extra Government. All government costs money. So they said “Let’s have more.” More Government has consumed more taxpayer money but the under-provision has still continued and now they tell us “We do not have the money to fix this. Please pay even more tax.”

        Madness.

           21 likes

      • Eddy Booth says:

        Chalky – seriously….
        With your production line example do you really think you have solved the productivity puzzle, that has been stumpIng the greatest minds in globalisation for the last decade.
        Even the Bank of England are reduced to subterfuge, and rather than explain why productivity is stagnant, have shifted the focus to non politically correct words,
        ”Deputy governor sorry for calling economy ‘menopausal’ ”
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        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44138229

        ”In his interview, Mr Broadbent compared a recent slowdown in UK productivity to a similar lull at the end of the 1800s, which has been described as a “climacteric” period.

        The term, which is borrowed from biology and is used for both sexes, means “you’ve passed your productive peak”, the deputy governor said.
        He suggested that the UK may be seeing a “pause” between two technological leaps forward – akin to one experienced by late-Victorian industrialists from steam to electricity.

        However, he said the economy could be awaiting its next big breakthrough, possibly as a result of Artificial Intelligence.”

        Or get the increased productivity breakthrough right now by cutting the unlimited supply of docile, cheap, puppy dog eager to please the boss immigrant dickheads, thus forcing firms to modernize.

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        • Captain Panick says:

          Just seen the picture of Mr Broadbent, a senior banking figure, presumably paid a small fortune. He is actually wearing brown shoes with a blue suit. Everyone knows it is black in town. For that reason alone, fire him. Rant over, stabilize blood pressure….

             5 likes

      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        Chalky:

        I was taught that the UK is 94,000 square miles. Google can stick its kilometres up its arse!

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  28. Annunaki says:

    5. Freedom of movement allows Eastern Europeans to come here and beg selling the beeg eeshue in every town and city in our country, what a benefit that has brought us

       31 likes

    • Eddy Booth says:

      They register as self employed sole traders, thus enabling them to top up their small income with large tax credits, and housing benefits cheques etc.
      So the main benefit is the government can claim how much more entrepreneurial the economy is under their watch.

         18 likes

  29. Chalkywhite says:

    We trundled along as a country with a population of 57 million for decades, conditioned partially by Malthusianism, which is common sense….population determined by available resources. That seems to have been forgotten or ignored by many nations in the world. …..An Ever increasing population, driven by uncontrolled immigration (It’s not internal factors in the UK , population growth was lowish even accounting for increased lifespan). Now it seems to be more, more. more people the better). Not just in the UK, but the rest of the world). However, for us, it’s not just the EU 26, as they have given EU passports to Brazilians, Goans, Somalians etc, who suddenly become ‘EU Citizens overnight.

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  30. Dover Sentry says:

    I recently had a chat with the local postmaster. He’s a Hindu.

    I couldn’t repeat here his views on both Islam and the BBC.

    The BBC refuse to recognise that other religions in the UK have a hatred of Islam based upon their historical interaction with this Religion of Peace.

       45 likes

    • Al Shubtill says:

      “Remember the good old days, when we all knew nothing about Islam?”
      Jimmy Salford.

         28 likes

    • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

      Dover Sentry “I couldn’t repeat here his views on both Islam and the BBC.

      Hi Dover Sentry, please we have enough censorship from the thought police. Please tell us his thoughts on Islam and the BBC. If there is a lot of swearing involved just drop the swearing. I don’t think we have many Hindu’s that contribute to the comment sections and it would be interesting to find out their views.

      I know that whereas the BBC are pro-Islam and pro-Pakistan – they are very anti-Hindu and anti-India and very pro-Mughal Empire (when Islam ruled over the Hindus).

         18 likes

  31. StewGreen says:

    Remainer actor picked to play Brexiteer by Channel4
    “Benedict Cumberbatch to play Vote Leave supremo Dominic Cummings in Channel 4 Brexit drama”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44141300

       33 likes

    • Oaknash says:

      To be perfectly honest – Whilst I find this particular arsehole very irritating due to his public virtue signalling – In reality it matters not which luvvy plays the part as they will all still have much the same outlook and attitude.
      This is because acting seems to attract people who are always willing to prostitute all of their views so they can be fashionable and “right on” and get the gig.

      I wonder whether one day some of them may all feel used and cast away like a used condom, especially if they did not get any decent jobs. May I suggest a support group to help them – how about #metoo-prostitute !

         12 likes

    • JimS says:

      “Benedict Cumberbatch to play Vote Leave supremo Dominic Cummings”

      Duh!

         7 likes

  32. StewGreen says:

    \\EU paid Airbus billions in illegal subsidies, WTO rules.
    Never, not the cuddly, lovable EU.//
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44120525

       14 likes

  33. StewGreen says:

    Worth sharing I think
    (where’s the Midweek thread ?)

       23 likes

    • MartinW says:

      Shocking. Children haven’t been taught where countries are or their capital cities, or mountain ranges or the tributaries of the Amazon, but they are propagandised with ill-considered and probaby erroneous ‘facts’ about what might or could happen.

         13 likes

    • Payne by name says:

      Shocking propaganda. Over the last 150 years, the global temperature average (which is incredibly vague given they keep moving around the locations of the temperature reading stations) has only gone up 0.8, yet that paper is saying it could raise by 2 – 4 degrees in 60 years.

      On what ‘facts’ is this book produced?

         10 likes

    • MarkyMark says:

      Remove and control all humans … as per the Green Manifesto, which North Korea are implementing.

         0 likes

  34. StewGreen says:

    Packing the halls
    Rod Liddle 2,200 (admittedly many free Tix)
    Search Twitter on Jordan Peterson “Sold Out”
    and you see he had 3,300 at the Hammersmith Apollo as well as big crowds at other venues

       21 likes

  35. Beeb Brother says:

    World service still reporting on Stormy Daniels, trying to dream up some way it was criminal by seeing if the hush money was taken from campaign funds or something. They really are pathetic and out of order. Even as he is on the cusp of making of denuclearising a whole peninsula they have to attack. These Stormy Daniels non stories only make the media look bad. We know Trump is a scoundrel and do not care; I personally love it. It shows how all they have is character assassination and when that does not work they have nowhere to go.

    Then something about the right to protest at abortion clinics in Sydney, about 1000000000th on most people’s lists of concerns but a good chance for a Beeb reporter to have a holiday.

    Their focus on things nobody cares about is why they are so fake. It is like going to a pub and there is a huge fight, someone takes over one corner of the pub etc – it all kicks off. Ask the media what happened and they will say how lovely the beer mats were.

       25 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      And here is the ever impartial US Editor engaging in some pretty epic whatiffery with possibilities and coulds…

         9 likes

    • Payne by name says:

      What is the criminal act here.

      Two consenting adults slept together and then one asked for money to keep the fact that they had quiet.

      How is that not extortion or blackmail. Likewise, surely it makes Stormy a prostitute?

      This whole thing comes as no surprise to either those who voted for Trump or those that didn’t. Yet, the US still believed he was a better candidate than the self entitled Hillary.

      Furthermore, this is the only thing to come out of a year long Russian collusion investigation that has uncovered nothing apart from highly questionable antics from the democrats and FBI.

         11 likes

  36. Beeb Brother says:

    Toady ‘news’ story: more boys than girls study A-Level physics.

    Will they ever, ever consider that innate differences explain unequal outcomes? I guess if they did they would have nothing to report on.

    It has all gone too far. They have achieved all they aimed for and are now fighting for petty nonsense nobody cares about. The suffragettes wanted the vote, not to be pressured into studying subjects that do not appeal to them. Martin Luther King did not dream of a world where liberals would be ‘offended’ by the slightest thing on behalf of minorities.

       27 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Not looking good for the next ‘Big Bang Theory’ remake, starring Diane Abbott, Becks Wrong Daily, Emily Thornbury, Dawn Butler and Ed Miliband as the sexy love interest.

         15 likes

      • Beeb Brother says:

        I can’t wait! You could also have Cathy Newman as a maverick physics professor who keeps teaching that equations actually say something different to what they actually do.

        “So what Einstein was saying is e = cm divided by itself. Sheldon, how dare you say I am wrong! I am so offended that my offence has actually warped the laws of science to fit my feelings.”

           14 likes

    • Sluff says:

      Funnily enough, I know of no female chippies, sparkies, or brickies. Should we be worried?
      But then again, I know of few male nurses, which we know is of absolutely no interest whatever to the pathetic ‘anyone but white anglo saxon male’ grievance-industry BBC.

         22 likes

      • JamesArthur says:

        Beeb Bro
        The BBC bring this up every year.and despite all the pushing it never changes.. Maybe girls don’t want to study physics – most boys don’t either, just more of them than girls.
        Maybe the girls are making a choice – isn’t this what the Lefties are always banging on about?
        It is interesting that the great impartial Beeb has not made any comment on the fact that despite only 10% of nurses being male the RCN voted not to have a strategy to recruit more men but to get greater diversity!!! But I am guessing only non white females should be targeted?
        We are doomed all doomed…

           14 likes

        • Beeb Brother says:

          It is a victimless non issue.

          On average, men are more interested in things and women are more interested in people. Accept this basic and obvious premise and all the phantom ‘discrimination’ disappears.

          I do not want to live in a world where men and women are the same. You do not get harmony when everyone plays the same note.

             17 likes

          • Rob in Cheshire says:

            There is a lady who works in my local shop. She is very proud that her gay son has got a job as an air steward.

            Is anyone shocked by this?

            There are some jobs which appeal to some people more than others. I expect the BBC would like us all to wear Mao jackets and read the Little Red Book. I’m sure John Mcdonnell would approve.

               7 likes

      • Beeb Brother says:

        What about Asians being massively over represented in medicine? Imagine a BBC hashtag moaning #medicinesobrown. Yet when the Oscars or countless other pursuits under represent certain groups, we get #Oscarssowhite.

           16 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:

      They simply do not seem to understand, or want to understand that equality of opportunity does not mean equal numbers will wish to take it.

         24 likes

      • Al Shubtill says:

        Solid post.

           5 likes

      • Ian Rushlow says:

        But it’s no longer about equality of opportunity, which is so 1960’s, so Michael Martin Luther King. It’s now about equality of outcome, which is driven by the liberal racist and sexist ideology that believes non-whites and females are inherently inferior and hence require privileged treatment. And in a 21st century variant of Lady Bountiful, the rules of this can only be defined and administered by nice, white, middle-class, enlightened liberals who read the Guardian and watch the BBC (oh yes, and who once read an A4 summary sheet about Marxism whilst at university).

           18 likes

      • Beeb Brother says:

        They must understand really but there is a whole parasitic ecosystem feeding off the equal outcomes nonsense. Turkeys do not vote for Christmas. The equalities industry is worth a billion pounds a year!

           12 likes

    • JimS says:

      I expect when all the men are out of work it will be non-stop ‘Gender Benefits Gap”, another ‘injustice’ to get excited about!

         4 likes

  37. Guest Who says:

    This appeared on my timeline as it was ‘liked’ by Nick ‘Box of Rocks’ Robinson, who I do follow.

    His interest in such mathematical rounding is, doubtless, totally impartial.

       18 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      And this was ‘liked’ by John Sweeney:

      Again, doubtless impartially.

         16 likes

      • Payne by name says:

        It’s so pathetic that the media of the world would be hanging on every word that Rocket Man would say.

        Good on the BBC finding a way to inflate his ego.

        ‘look at this, I say something ridiculous, the Beeb reports it and finds a way to use it to attack the democratically elected leader of the US’.

        Why worry about controlling the North Korean media when he is effectively controlling the spineless and compliant world media.

           7 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:

      It’s more like a holiday that the family wants to go on, only to find the bus driver refuses to take them there.

         27 likes

      • Guest Who says:

        “It’s the journey that matters; not the destination” by Capt. Max Pruss and Capt. Edward Smith is a good read. Apparently.

           4 likes

      • Payne by name says:

        Well said.

        You tell the bus driver exactly where you want to go without feeling the need to explain why you want to go there. I’m paying you to carry out my actions, those actions that you initiated when as the driver you said “where do you want to go” and I then told you.

        Only to then find that the bus is driving to a different place and when I question why, be told that you didn’t know what you wanted because you didn’t know all the facts.

           8 likes

  38. AsISeeIt says:

    It’s always interesting to see which three stories BBC London news find time for in their short morning bulletins.

    This one sounds worrying – there’s an immigrant community here in London which is bringing with it a radical political element. Campaigners warn there are up to ten of these dangerous groups, there are meetings every week and there is ‘the potential for violence’

    It’s quite a worry, isn’t it?

    Oh, by the way, the immigrant community in question are the Polish and the political groups – well, you probably guessed it – they are ‘right wing’

       27 likes

  39. Guest Who says:

    A little bit of bbc radio news:

    Of course, the medium is not the message,

       22 likes

    • BRISSLES says:

      It was only a matter of time. Even Radio 1 are haemorrhaging listeners – but then, I didn’t think the ‘yoof’ of Britain listened to the radio anymore. Ah, the golden years of the ‘wireless’ are over, pirate ships sabotaging the airwaves with decent music, 2-way family favourites on a Sunday with the aroma of the roast coming from the oven, the Navy Lark, every morning listening to Wogan with his verbal mocking of Dallas. Can you imagine anyone these days calling a small busty blonde a ‘poison dwarf’ and getting away with it ?

         27 likes

    • G says:

      GW,
      Bravo!!
      Now needs more. My brief visit to BBC radio is the only connection I now have with the BBC and, let me tell you, the BBC are plying me with distorted, omitted news even on that brief exposure.

         11 likes

    • JimS says:

      “Digital radio is now more popular than FM and AM ”

      Popular is bad, innit?

         13 likes

    • Old Goat says:

      Can’t think why, Classic is almost as bad. All part of the Global Media group, it and it’s “sister stations” pump out almost as much bias, and faked news as the BBC.

      It used to be great until a few years ago, now it has attracted the same sort of patronising, creepy presenters as the BBC, especially in the mornings when anyone would think it was a childrens programme. The only saving grace is the classical music, if you can find any amongst the flood of modern film scores they continually hit us with, plus the interminable trails, plugs, and incessant advertising.

      I recommend Swiss Classic.

         11 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        Wonder how many are switching to R3 and Julia Hartley Brewer on TalkRadio digital.

           7 likes

      • G says:

        OG,
        Agreed on the Swiss Classic channel. But Classic FM, apart from the News breaks, changes character after about 2100. I have it on during the night as the alternative to BBC World Service.

           2 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Here’s how the comments are going
      Consistent complaints of lefty bias & PC Political Correctness & Virtue Signalling being shoved down our throats.(Bias by omission was missed out)
      comments.jpg

         20 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        I summarise
        R4Today = smug shouty #MetroLibElites shoving lefty bias, Political Correctness & Virtue Signalling down our throats.

        I’d add there is obvious Bias by Omission, in order to construct narrative to their agenda
        (surmised as ‘Trump/Brexit/Tories must fall’ )
        R4 Today is the antithesis, but the whole BBC reflects that agenda. Indeed the whole media is a MetroLibElitebubbleworld with the non-metro UK public on the outside.

           6 likes

  40. Guest Who says:

    Wonder if VD has picked this up?

    Is 30 too old to live at home?

    How about coming clean about your sex life when you still live at home. The parents' reaction… 👪 😱 (via BBC Money)

    Posted by BBC News on Wednesday, May 16, 2018

       8 likes

    • BRISSLES says:

      Really ? do 30 year olds have sex with their parents in the next room ? or even worse, imagining your parents having sex in the next room !!!! I don’t want to go there.

         0 likes

  41. Guest Who says:

    Always intrigues the process by which a ‘secret’ activity by a vulnerable person finds its way on to the national broadcast news.

       6 likes

  42. thirdoption says:

    “Nick Grimshaw’s BBC Radio 1 show sheds 600,000 listeners”

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/nick-grimshaw-loses-600000-listeners-as-radio-1s-breakfast-show-sees-weekly-audience-figures-drop-to-51m/ar-AAxnMPR?ocid=spartandhp

    And yet they still manage to shovel £600,000 a year into his bank account.

       21 likes

  43. JamesArthur says:

    Discussion on R4 about cladding…BBC “an outright ban is the only answer” ….
    The interviewers just keeps saying “an outright ban” as though that’s the only solution in every case…
    Apparently the residents of Grenfell also know more about cladding than the experts…
    I have never heard two such simpering people talk about technical issues, about which neither seems to understand..yawnnnn

       21 likes

  44. theisland says:

       16 likes

    • taffman says:

      “Brexit means Brexit”
      “There will be no attempts to remain inside the EU, no attempts to rejoin it by the back door, and no second referendum.
      “The country voted to leave the European Union, and as prime minister I will make sure that we leave the European Union.”
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36782922

      Its fast becoming BINO now.
      “and as prime minister “. Will she jump ship or get pushed so we can sail to safer seas ?

         17 likes

  45. Beeb Brother says:

    They are calling it a ‘physics gender gap’ and have a whole task force to narrow it – publicly funded of course. Obviously stereotypes and unconscious bias are the problem. Not enough role models for girls to look up to! You have to see someone who looks like you doing something to want to do it, according to liberal logic. Why do I love table tennis when I only ever see Chinese people playing it? What utter, total bullshit that argument is.

       21 likes

    • Terminal Moraine says:

      BB, there were a couple of good programmes last night on BBC4’s space season (BBC4 docs I generally find to be far better than any of the beeb’s other output). Well I was shocked to see footage of the Apollo missions in the 70s and how mission control seemingly was staffed 100% by white men. Nary a skirt nor a niqab in sight. Incredible that they got to the moon at all.

      In fact, I believe secret files show the Soviet failure in the space race was ultimately due to their technicians downing tools in order to properly address the treatment of non-binary engineeresses. Probably.

      Something something rockets look like willies

         3 likes

  46. Guest Who says:

    Not creepy at all.

       28 likes

  47. Guest Who says:

    Or as Nick Robinson might* say at the latest ‘honour’ stoning… “It’s just a couple of rocks”.

    🌈🛑 Last year, Lebanon became the first Arab country to hold a gay pride week. Now it's been stopped.

    Posted by BBC News on Wednesday, May 16, 2018

    *”something he might have said” ©️BBC

       14 likes

  48. fakenewswatcher says:

    Theresa May. Remainer. Liar-in-Chief.
    Even Janus wasn’t as two-faced.
    The shoes were really a signal that she never changed her spots, regardless of what she said.
    The people? Let them eat cake.

       11 likes

  49. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch: Two Go Out To Play (In which Martha Goes Round in Circles with Judith Hackett)

    It is quite amazing that everyone working on the Toady Programme from Sarah Sands as Editor in Chief down to the presenters, either doesn’t know that there are very few building construction materials that do not burn – or – as I suspect, they deliberately choose not to know that almost all building materials burn, just so they can help muddy the (already dirtied) waters over the Grenfell tragedy in this morning’s programme.

    Could I be wrong? Is it not fairly common knowledge that even steel, brick & concrete will burn in a fire and that only materials like asbestos have significant fire retardation AND resistance? Where have I as an ‘ordinary member of the public’ acquired this specialist knowledge? Is it not there in the public domain?

    If the answer to that second question is YES then there is something sinister going on at the BBC.

       8 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      @Up2snuff “burn” is not the right word
      You mean most construction materials are not ultimately fire resistant.
      “Burn” I interpret as meaning having an exothermic reaction with oxygen to produce tremendous heat : like wood and plastics do, and steel/brick and concrete don’t ..but they are sprayed with fire retardants to increase their fire resistance.

         4 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        Stew, it takes tremendous heat to set substantial steel, concrete & similar materials on fire but they do burn and such is the fire intensity often created by fire draught in buildings that a steel framed, poured & reinforced concrete building will burn to the ground or, at least, a hulk. When steel and concrete burn, it may be very hard to stop.

        That is why I referred to “significant fire retardation AND resistance”. The ideal is to create time and conditions for inhabitants to leave or be rescued from a burning building if a fire cannot be extinguished from inside.

        The TOADY Programme were asking for a recommendation from Dame Judith Hackitt that all flammable building materials be banned. That is not practically possible. They should have known that. I suspect an agenda at play at the BBC.

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