Start the Week open Thread 14th May 2018

The President of Turkey, apparently, is paying Blighty a visit. I wonder what spin al beeb puts on it ?

Plenty to vex us as always. Enjoy,.

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702 Responses to Start the Week open Thread 14th May 2018

  1. Englands Dreaming says:

    Listening to World Service news it lead on the head of MI5 chastising Russia for, well pretty much everything, including interference in the Western elections. He said this was not acceptable in “free and open” societies. Yes I would agree, but we are becoming less and less free and open and a bit of Nick Ferrari morning’s LBC show illustrated this nicely.

    Ferrari had JRM in the studio and one caller pointed out the media’s lack of reporting on the recent Day for Freedom march and how Martin Sellner had been banned from entering the country. Nick didnt like where this convo was going and was quick to tell the caller that Sellner had subsequently been found to endorse forced repatriation which wasn’t the British way of doing things, the caller retorted before the plug was pulled on him “Free speech Nick”, …..quite.


  2. Beeb Brother says:

    The sublimely talented Sue Perkins opened her BAFTA awards speech with a gag about getting equal pay to Stephen Fry.

    Haw haw haw! O my aching sides! We all wet ourselves laughing at such a breathtakingly original comment. If only Bill Hicks had lived to witness this comic genius. Now he can finally rest in peace now knowing his successor has arrived.


    • StewGreen says:

      You mean Bill Hicks and Sue Perkins are different people ?

      I bet she worked in advertising (in joke).

      Sue compared to Srephen Fry.
      When Stephen Fry went missing, some people wanted him to come back


    • Beeb Brother says:

      If she wants equal pay for equal work she should get 1% of whatever Stephen Fry got paid as he was so much better at it.


  3. Payne by name says:

    It was probably covered on here last week but I did have to laugh at the footage of the lawmakers in the Iranian parliament setting fire to the US flag and chanting Death to America like a bunch of crazed fanatics.

    Oh yes, these people are moderates that you can do business with. They’re all so calm and rational and sensible. You could definitely trust these people.

    Amazing how in the video that there is also a staggering lack of female representation. Surely that must be an accident…


    • MarkyMark says:

      Wearing suits … Western cultural appropriation … these games are so stupid.


  4. JimS says:

    Jeremy Vine Show debates whether people should be insulted by being called ‘gammons’ by ‘lefties’.

    Apparently when viewed from the sweetness and light lefty hill, where name-calling isn’t allowed, they are getting upsets by ‘the right’ calling then ‘trots’, so they have decided to ‘fight back’ using the same technique!

    So who are all these people who fling around racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, xenophobe, brexshiteer, Toreeee, scum, blackleg etc. and delight in using verbs like smash and fight? Womens’ Institute members?

    It is telling that someone from the (extreme?) left is invited onto the BBC whereas no-one from ‘the right’, let alone ‘the extreme right’ would be allowed anywhere near a microphone. But then it is far better if ‘the extreme right’ is kept as that mysterious army lurking beneath the surface just waiting to unleash a campaign of bombing, bad driving and beheading far worse than anything our ‘brown-eyed’ lads and lasses have managed yet. What would Theresa May and the BBC do without their imaginary (white, blotchy skinned), bogie men?


    • StewGreen says:

      “Gammon” is now the trendy term libmob splatter all over Twitter to refer to old white UKIP supporters

      ..Ahem, classifying people by skin colour is ahem RACIST


      • ToobiWan says:

        Nobody is born a gammon, how can it be racist?
        Nobody is born a Muslim either, how can this be racist?


        • StewGreen says:

          It’s like saying ‘N*gger” is racist, cos I don’t use it to all black people, only those who have chosen a bad path’
          Tosh it’s based on born skin colour it is racist and so is gammon


        • scribblingscribe says:

          You win the award for the best comment of the day. I shall go armed with that one into any debate with my Guardian reading chums


      • StewGreen says:

        Talking of words The former director of “Tell Mama” the fairly extreme Muslim lobby, says in the Tmes today.
        ‘Stop saying Islamophobia, when you mean Anti-Muslim Hatred/prejudice,
        .. the term Islamophobia is getting ridiculed’


  5. Colboysigma says:

    BBC is genuinely getting worse. Today is even more than usual full of one sided, twisted propaganda… For example, in “African news” we’re treated to the heart rending story of a “White farmer” that allegedly forced one of his workers to drink faeces… Obviously this a much more important story than the regular murders of “White Farmers”.
    Then we have the multitude of Israel stories…All utterly impartial, of course…


  6. JimS says:

    Not the BBC but evidence that Chistianity is ‘doomed’ – I am told that the local Baptist minister wants his congregation to skip a meal to show empathy with Muslims ‘celebrating’ ramadan.

    Perhaps Deueronomy 13 is missing from his bible?

    Deuteronomy 13 English Standard Version (ESV)

    13 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil[a] from your midst.


    • Beeb Brother says:

      I cannot listen to Today anymore as it annoys me so much.


    • GRIM REAPER says:

      Jim….we badly need ‘warrior’ priests….men who will stand up and rail against Islam and all it represents, in most lurid tones, fill those pews. …..what do we have ?…Giles Frasier..Hahahaha…a limp-waisted but shouty, twitching no-body, beloved of the constant denial and very soon in need of more heart surgery the way he rants and rages against his own countrymen for seeing Islam as it really is…he is a pathetic excuse for a churchman…most are it seems…all will be executed when Islam takes over…bloody fools.


      • JimS says:

        Christianity has given up the fight, it can now be whatever anyone wants it to be. It thinks it can preserve itself to some extent by letting Islam fight the faith battle for it, rather like ‘the left’ think Islam will win the political battle for them.

        Christianity and ‘the left’ think that Islam will ‘hand over the keys’ to them once it has taken over. These ‘useful idiots’ will be the first up against the wall when that happens.


      • Up2snuff says:

        Grim, there may be a purpose in European, American, African and Asian Islamification. One can see some overall world control deciding that “Jerusalem belongs to all of us.” *

        (* Heard that phrase on BBC R4 last week or on Sunday programme this week, or both)


        • Holly Selassie says:

          Ta Up 2.
          Mecca, Medina?
          They belong to all of us too eh BBC?


    • Up2snuff says:

      Much better to observe Pesach, Jim, in a Baptist Church.


      and for Anglicans and others? The same!

      Keep Pesach at least once and think about the picture it presents, what it foretells.


  7. StewGreen says:

    Gangs buy planes to smuggle migrants into remote airstrips
    National Crime Agency warns today.
    \\ organised crime groups have spent significant money buying or hiring aircraft to get people into Britain illegally.//
    i think it’s from the same report that said that most UK gang members are born overseas

    If only we had ID cards and a HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT to deter
    \\ No comment from the UN rapporteur to explain why people are going to these lengths to get into this racist hellhole? //


    • GRIM REAPER says:

      I reckon gang bosses in Europe are flying in trusted lieutenants to set up empires here, armed and ready to make billions from drugs and eliminating groups here now….


  8. GRIM REAPER says:

    Something twanged in my brain as i watched the BBC awards for drama/comedy etc…the drama 3 girls, about child grooming, which i did not catch…as i do not watch TV….[ I was at a relatives in this case] made me exclaim to my befuddled relatives….’ This is a travesty…Nick Griffin of the BNP flagged this abuse up well over 20 years ago, and was pilloried by the Guardian and BBC, sued in fact and i believe spent some time in jail..]…..Scandalous…he should counter sue them…and the Police…he was right all along…..


  9. Right Angle says:

    Happy 70th birthday, Israel!

    When PM Benjamin Netanyahu was speaking at the ceremony marking the opening of the new U.S. embassy in Jerusalem, Sky News at least had the courtesy to focus the entire screen on him. BBC News, however, just had to split the screen into two so that they could show the unrest in Gaza alongside. What was the idea? No prizes for guessing!

    PM Netanyahu addressed a couple of his remarks to President Trump (he was not there personally, but son-in-law Jared Kushner and daughter Ivanka Trump were):

    “President Trump, by recognising history, you are making history.” (He certainly is!)

    “Thank you, President Trump, for having the courage to keep your promises.”

    In case anyone has lost track of the promises Trump made, this is the one relating to Israel (Facebook post, October 2016):

    “I have said on numerous occasions that in a Trump Administration, the United States will recognize Jerusalem as the one true capital of Israel. The United Nations’ attempt to disconnect the State of Israel from Jerusalem is a one-sided attempt to ignore Israel’s 3,000-year bond to its capital city, and is further evidence of the enormous anti-Israel bias of the UN. Jerusalem is the enduring capital of the Jewish People and the overwhelming majority of Congress has voted to recognize Jerusalem as just that. Further, the decision by the Obama Administration to strike the word ‘Israel’ after the word ‘Jerusalem’ in the President’s prepared text was a capitulation to Israel’s enemies, and a posthumous embarrassment to Shimon Peres, whose memory the President was attempting to honor. In a Trump Administration, Israel will have a true, loyal and lasting friend in the United States of America.” Donald J. Trump

    MSM, you should be very happy to cover a leader who keeps his promises and actually gets things done!


    • ID says:

      When I was watching Sky they had also adopted the “split screen” approach. I turned over to BBC “NEWS” and was surprised to find a single screen. This lasted all of 20 secs.
      Wizard wheeze! Show two contemporaneous events to dishonestly imply there is some causal link.
      My favourite “split screen” would be Ma Merkel’s “Islam gehört zu Deutschland” speech with a multiscreen showing all the Big Beard atrocies that have occurred in Germany.


  10. StewGreen says:

    Our newsagent was closed the other Wednesday, for some uknown reason
    ..But I didn’t write a News story about it.
    But in libby-verse John Lewis Gift page forgetting to renew its domain name is worth writing about ! FFS

    We’d have to go 40 miles to find a John Lewis/ Waitrose or Ikea.
    Ah there is a Waitrose 33 miles away.


    • Fedup2 says:

      This term seems to have gained traction judging by the amount of coverage on the albeeb site . I was just getting used to kidult and snowflake but this new term seems early silly season to me. The upper 6th can make up any name they want as long as we get out of the effing ReichEU and then get to really change things . Like al beeb….

      Apparently the house of expenses has been crying all afternoon on the taxpayers dime about Tessa someone .
      Part of berkovs re-election campaign I spose.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Are ‘Libbys’ over represented in al beeb ? There seems be a lot of them sculking about blaming men for everything . Also – I wonder why the al beeb is full of people who answer to the name ‘ tosser’ ( I was gonna say ‘wanker’ but that might cause offence and I’d have to opologe like every one else is doing ).


  11. Up2snuff says:

    May God bless Israel and give peace to Jerusalem.

    (US Embassy is/was opened at 4.04pm – Israel time, so this post timing is symbolic but the sentiment is real.)


  12. StewGreen says:

    Outrage bus : “Former Tory chair Lord Tebbit calls gay pastor a ‘Sodomite’ in shocking rant”

    Former Conservative activist Ivan Massow told the Mail: “Theresa May needs to [expel him]. You can’t hold Jeremy Corbyn to account for anti-Semitism and not hold your own party to account.

    Yeh like Corbyn is going to expel Muslims/African-evanglists in the Labour Party for holding similar views.

    Outrage bus2 : Catholic school leavers turned up “blacked up” for school photos, with two holding guns to slaves heads.


    • theisland says:

      There’s plenty of people Treezer needs to expel but Norman definitely isn’t one of them.


  13. scribblingscribe says:

    Sky news tries to outdo the BBC for mindless anti Brexit claptrap.

    Here are 3 headlines from their current UK news website page:

    “Uk firms face stiffer opposition after Brexit”

    “Brexit is precisely what Putin wants to see”

    “Cross party trio warn against hard Brexit.”


  14. StewGreen says:

    Girls are #MoreThanEqual
    Girls School writes positive comments in girls maths books to boost their confidence
    New rule in North London Collegiate “positive comments must be included in marking of all pieces of work”


  15. StewGreen says:

    Hey Yasmin are you angry at Libby Purves poiting out the UN racist UK study, is shoddy ?

    Libby replies

    Nonsense. You’re better than that. Nothing to do with her race, just extreme sloppiness in a supposedly academic report.
    Nor do I minimise our real faults and problems.
    That’s explicit. You on the other hand are a neurotic conspiracist.


    • MarkyMark says:

      1765 …. In a republic worthy of name, freedom to publish one’s thoughts is a citizen’s natural right. They may use a pen or their voice, and should not be prevented from writing any more than speaking …That is the law in England, a monarchical country, where people are freer than elsewhere because they are more enlightened. – Voltaire, Republican Ideas, 1765


  16. MarkyMark says:

    Should this cover have Iranian’s burning a flag … why are they being shown as the civilised ones?

    Why not show the ‘Death to America’ and ‘Death to Israel’ emojis by the Iranian Government?




    • Payne by name says:

      Christ what is happening to The Spectator. Iran is second only to China in the number of executions that it carries out yet the US are the juvenile children and Iran are the wise moderates…what the actual fuck?


  17. MarkyMark says:

    Gary ‘£1.75m BBC Wages’ Lineker who forces nurses to pay for his wages donates some food to the food banks that are used by the nurses who have to pay his wages or go to prison.

    “Thanks @HackedOffHugh for nominating me. Here’s my trolley full of food, now in the caring hands of @hffoodbank @TrussellTrust. I now nominate @RobbieSavage8 for the #FoodBankChallenge”- Gary ‘£1.75m’ Lineker


  18. MarkyMark says:

    This is so sharp … and there we go, all cultures are equal.

    “Can someone send me the article the BBC wrote about fasting during Lent?” twitter


  19. MarkyMark says:

    Excellent … the UK is now a Country that backs Iran over the USA and welcomes Erdogan with little protest (but creates a pink hat movement for Trump) and we are told that the UK was a friend during their coup for doing nothing ….

    “President Erdoğan has arrived in the UK for a three-day visit. Speaking at the Tatlıdil Forum he hailed close UK-Turkey ties and said Turkey would never forget that Britain had been a “true friend” on the night of the 2016 coup attempt.


  20. Guest Who says:

    Crafty, John… crafty 😉


  21. Sluff says:

    At 1805 on Shithead BBC1 6 pm news, they are moaning on aboutvthe US Embassy in…errr….the capital city of a recognised state, Israel.
    Jeremy Bowen says that the ‘Israelis defeated the Arabs in the 1948 war’, !!!!!!!!!!
    Forgive me, but I can recall no previous mention in sny media of a 1948 war in this context.
    The pro Palestinian BBC doing what it does best.


    • taffman says:

      Bet he didn’t mention the Yom Kippur War?


    • Payne by name says:

      Three wars of survival in the space of 70 years but it’s those nasty Israelis fault.


  22. Beeb Brother says:

    Some school kids blacked up, so what? Someone somewhere did something offensive at some point, who cares? No decent, well-adapted person could care less. Why the inquisition, apology and ‘news’ story?

    How many non stories like this do we have to endure every week from the BBC? The ‘outrage’ is always so confected. The key is issue is intent. As long as the person was trying to be light-hearted/make a joke then it is ok.

    Racism should be about not judging people by the content of their character, not searching obsessively for events to be ‘offended’ by.


  23. chrisH says:

    Anybody able to tell what “claim” the Muslims have on Jerusalem.
    It`s mentioned 654 times in the Old Testament
    It`s mentioned 118 times in the New.
    It is not mentioned ONCE in the Koran. Not once.
    Basically the Caliphs only took it, by wiping out the Persians and Romans-the latter themselves had removed all trace of Israel , Judah and the Jews in AD135, 520 years before the Arabs came through.
    The Arabs in Jerusalem than wanted their won power base, already venerated by Jews and Christians wiped out a few decades afterwards. They claimed that Muhammad had visited Al Quds(as they call it) in a dream where he “ascended into heaven on a white winged horse-or such bollox”( last four words are my hadith additions like theirs.
    They then lst the long term battle within Islam and had to all pray towards Mecca again, and Jerusalem meant nothing but the excuse to keep the Jews out of their own land, and prevent Christians getting any holy sites. Just squatting bullies in the playground refusing everyone else to use the loo or play.
    Islam has NO claim on Jerusalem. That`s what Mecca and Medina are for, and we`re not allowed in either. So F*** off BBC and Islam maties-Jerusalem is Jewish. And we Christians know that they`ll always let us go there-and it won`t be a chop chop hellhole like all other Muslim sites.
    Thanks Mr Trump!


    • Dystopian says:

      ChrisH of course the violence must be the Israeli’s fault-don’t you know Islam is the religion of peace!


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      No claim on Jerusalem at all, neither religious or political. With regards to the latter, Jordan annexed East Jerusalem and the West Bank in 1948-50 – an annexation recognised only by Iraq, Pakistan and… Britain. Israel liberated it in 1967, during the Six Days War. Jordan formally gave up any claim to the territory in 1988 and subsequently stripped the Palestinians living there of their Jordanian citizenship.


    • Rob in Cheshire says:


      As you point out, in the koran, it only states that mohammed flew to al quds on his winged horse (as you do). It isn’t Jerusalem. Jerusalem had a name: Jerusalem. So where did al quds come from? Maybe mo flew somewhere else entirely. Maybe his winged horse was a bit like Ryanair, and dropped him off at an airport 100 miles from where he wanted to go.

      Anyway you look at it, the muslim claim that Jerusalem is their holy city depends on you believing that a man who lived in the 7th Century flew on a winged horse to a place which wasn’t actually called Jerusalem. I think I can safely call bullshit on their claim.

      If they wanted to live peacefully like civilized people, then peace might be possible. But the first thing they did when Israel pulled out of Gaza was to destroy all the greenhouses the Israelis built. The second thing was to start firing rockets into Israel. Now they are complaining that there are no prizes for behaving like chimps.

      Oh dear. What a pity. Never mind.


      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        Rob, the 17th chapter of The Koran “The Night Journey” describes the false prophet Muhammed being taken to ‘the farthest mosque’ by the alleged angel Gabriel.
        The farthest mosque could have been anywhere (in Mo’s dream) but there was definitely no mosque in Jerusalem then. This was during Mo’s lifetime, Islam hadn’t spread from Arabia yet. Some Shiites claim that Karbala in Iraq is actually “the farthest mosque”.


  24. JamesArthur says:

    Summary of BBC news on radio 4 today
    Trump has caused a problem with moving embassy – he has made the peace talks ( which ones are those?) less likely
    Israelis are bad – Palestinians are victims.
    Jordan Peterson is a right wing pariah – let’s gang up on him and not listen but interrupt
    Tessa Jowell was a saint
    Cleggy, Morgana and Limpyband – a cross party 🙂 alliance are worth throwing in every hour despite saying nothing of use in Brexit..
    Spin and recycle….


    • taffman says:

      Trump is draining the swamp and Al Beeb don’t like it .
      When will Tweezer drain our Al Beeb swamp and get Brexit completed ?


      • Fedup2 says:

        Tweezer is part of the swamp . We’d need an independent like President Trump to start draining it – and our country is too screwed for that to happen .


      • Dystopian says:

        Er…never! I fear it will take the intervention of a.n.other to give us a proper Brexit. Cometh the hour cometh the man. Well the hour has long passed and that man is long overdue!


        • G.W.F. says:


          Yes Treezer and her Government and opposition are part of the swamp.
          Perhaps when Trump has cleaned up the CIA he will set them to work on regime change here – and will be supported by British patriots.


  25. taffman says:

    “Brexit: ‘Little progress’ in talks since March, says Barnier”
    “The UK government has yet to settle on the model it wants to replace the customs union in order to avoid checks at Northern Ireland’s border with the EU.”

    The EU doesn’t want a border.
    N. Ireland doesn’t want a border.
    Rep. of Ireland doesn’t want a border.
    The UK doesn’t want a border.
    Problem solved! – We don’t have a border .
    Walk away now and lets get the flock out of here before the Three Stoogies arrive………………….
    Check out the HYS .


    • chrisH says:

      Where did this unelected earbud carrier and wine waiter Barney Rumble get off doing his Mr Squeers impression. He is a nomark bureaucrat, a complete nothing, dependent on Juncker for his title.
      Only the BBC takes any cogniscence of this self-righteous haemmorhoid pox doctor. We don`t.
      How did the class get to speak on behalf of twenty seven countries, has anybody asked Orban?


  26. StewGreen says:

    Panorama : last minute change
    It’s about people hacking your home security cameras, cos you used a generic password etc.
    (The episode about police being under pressure has been postponed until Wednesday)
    “WATCH NOW: Smart devices and the latest technological gadgets give us remote control of our homes and our cars – but how safe are they?”

    Doh that’s why you disable the laptop camera, before you look at porn.


  27. StewGreen says:

    Bank of England tells the City Investors must back ‘green’ companies or risk huge losses from climate change,
    ..Is that their job ?


    • GCooper says:

      It isn’t and it’s rotten advice. Clearly the governor has been paying far too much attention to his deluded hippy wife. Which is a change. He usually dances to the Goldman Sachs tune.


  28. BRISSLES says:

    Oh dear, trouble at t’mill or rather Kensington Palace, and she ain’t got the ring on her finger yet. Will he, won’t he, will he, oh yes he’s definitely, um, now he’s not……… coming. I bet its akin to a Carry On farce for seating arrangements !!! You’ve gotta larf !


  29. Fedup2 says:

    The irony of the brides’ father selling himself to the paparazzi- the types who might have killed the bridegrooms’ mother is gonna make a great movie …


    • G.W.F. says:

      I was hoping her hill billy family would come and one of them would touch the Queen.
      Still, is there a chance that Mr Beckham might be willing to walk her down the aisle, failing that Sir Leonard Henry?.


      • BRISSLES says:

        Well given that Beckham is an ‘ambassador’ for nearly every item on the planet, at least he has a title ! although he might outshine the bride with the reading material he’s covered in !


  30. scribblingscribe says:

    Start the Week has a number of writers including Jordan Peterson, the BBC and Guardian’s arch nemesis, like Superman’s Lex Luther.

    Oddly all the writers are invited to answer a pleasantly set up question to outline their views. Their thoughts are heard with thoughtful silence.

    Jordan is delivered an antagonistic question that often goes on for a what feels like an age. The question is full of barbed put downs. Jordan Peterson starts on the defensive and is then interrupted throughout.

    Yes, all the other writers would be at home with the Guardian.

    The Irish author Louise O’Neill has made her name challenging the roles given to women.

    Hashi Mohamed is a Somali who once worked for the BBC, and is critical of the lack of social mobility.

    Lawrence Wright is a Texan is confronted by cowboy individualism, gun-loving patriotism and nostalgia for an ersatz past, but also finds pockets of liberal progressiveness and entrepreneurial drive.


  31. Guest Who says:

    As I understand it, John still commands a vast BBC salary for such impartial editorial.

    Quite how he, Jeremy Corbyn and large chunks of the political and media left see what is going on in the terms they are trying to push, remains hard to understand.

    They are getting away with claiming ‘unarmed’, ‘peaceful’ men (with assorted infant and variably disabled… there is a bizarrely funny video of a combat recovery… cover props) storming another nations borders at the behest of cynical old men in gaudy carved chairs is somehow ‘proportionate’.

    Only if you use the Husain Scale, maybe.

    If 999 die getting one into an Israeli family home, only then will the bbc be satisfied. They are as sick as each other.


  32. Dave S says:

    Our media led by the BBC seems genuinely enraged by the Israelis and the embassy move. Now who could have predicted that ?
    There should be an in depth examination of the complex history of Jerusalem with reference to the period 1947 to the current time in detail and this would go some way to explaining how the present situation has arisen. But that would would imperil the blame Israel narrative and upset our BDS lobby now running the universities.
    Not to mention the BBC correspondents.
    At present it is obvious that they are intent on attacking Israel .
    I assume there will now be intensified protests when President Trump come here . I am sure he has discounted this already and will either cancel or put up with the insults. Serves the purpose either way which is to demonstrate to the US people exactly which nations are now to be treated as hostile .
    Seems Macron worked this out and has made his play to his and the advantage of France . A situation is arising and the results could be far reaching affecting this country to it’s core. Many of us could see it coming but with our beauties running the show it could not be stopped.


    • Payne by name says:

      It really is depressing as hell.

      A bunch of grubby self serving wets fawning over the undemocratic EU, a despicable Turkish leader and a bunch of crazy flag burning morons in Tehran.

      The playground is splitting into differing factions and rather than standing next to the biggest guy who mainly has our back, we are allowing ourselves to be shouldered out of the way by the French until we are left standing in the middle of the playground with no one to play with.

      I truly and fully despair at the mob of spineless, cowardly fools in charge of this country. US politics is exciting and entertaining but UK politics is suicide inducing depressing.


    • taffman says:

      Dave S
      And our PM cannot see it.


    • MartinW says:

      It is notable that when President Trump visited France, the police kept ALL the protestors away from him and the places he was to visit: indeed, wasn’t it a mile or more away? When President Trump visits the UK, a sensible government would instruct the UK police to do likewise. But we don’t have a sensible government, only one scared of a lefty backlash.


      • Payne by name says:

        Exactly. We’ll take some crazy, resigned ‘well what you can you do eh’ stance.


  33. Sluff says:

    A new embassy is opened.
    Many miles away, many people protest.
    It all sounds a bit 1970s UK Trade Unions, doesnt it?
    A sort of secondary action.
    Perhaps the US Embassy in London should be relocated to, say, Bradford!
    Would that get protests too?


  34. taffman says:

    Watching Al Beeb news in work this evening It appears that Jon Sopel has been enraged by President Trump.
    He could hardly contain himself.


  35. Loobyloo says:
    More treading on egg-shells from the envy of the world. Or just plain bias – it’s not a nasty religion you know!
    ‘Surabaya attacks: Parents who bring their children to die’

    They could have entitled it ‘Parents who make their children kill others and themselves’


  36. Rich says:

    I gave up on it last year but happened to catch Newshite tonight and watched with interest their attempts to explain the real issues at the heart of the NI/ EU border issue.

    Seemingly Brexit might fail because of the logistical inconveniences, hurt feelings and minor hardships placed upon the downtrodden Irish by the British failing to ask their permission and consider their interests before selfishly and treacherously voting for Brexit. Why Britain or the British should really give a shit about how the Irish feel about Brexit is beyond me although as I am Northern Irish living in NI, apparently I should care. I don’t and despite the best efforts of Evan Davies and the bBbc , I am none the wiser as to why I should.

    Tonight all I saw was a programme and a presenter full of hyperbole, hypothesis and horseshit. The guts of an hour of scaremongering masquerading as journalism that was continually exposed as nonsense by the studio guests and by the poor quality and ineffective research, presentation and argument.

    Hard border or soft border it matters not an effing jot to me however there is technology available to keep the border as relaxed as it is at present if so desired. I think most people know this and have said that this is what they want. The invited civilians and right minded commentators on Newshite tonight certainly do as they told Evan Davies this, so there is no excuse for his ignorance of this at all. Other than his ignorance of course. The only people pretending that the NI border has to be a Brexit deal breaker are the media, led by the bBbc, the Irish /EU politicians and the republican representatives and apologists. Duplicitous charlatans one and all.


    • taffman says:

      Saw his performance. Why does he remind me of Gollom or maxincony ?


  37. Loobyloo says:

    Ramadan fast: Should children give up food and water?

    And while you’re at it Al Beeb, why don’t you question why so many of the young pre-pubescent girls you feature are wearing a hijab?


  38. Loobyloo says:

    Kim Jong-un: What’s it like having the same name as a North Korean leader?

    More ‘video journalism’ from the envy of the world.


  39. Beeb Brother says:

    They report on some deported asylum seekers being treated a bit too roughly.

    What virtue signalling, weak nonsense . Who cares? An aslylum seeker put a bomb on our tube last year and amoat murdered loads of school children; it is terrifying how such stories are more or less memory holed now with no big inquest, ‘outrage’ etc. He even said he had been to a terror training camp and they still let him in!

    The BBC should be focussed on stopping such an atrocity being planned again, though of course it is easier to pretend the problem is with deported claimants being cuffed too hard. The problem is that we are far too soft and lives will be lost as a result.


    • Jeff says:

      …”He even said he’d been sent to a terrorist training camp and they still let him in!…”
      This was the most astonishing thing in the whole sorry case. I still find it difficult to get my head around.
      Our security services, our Home Secretary, our PM actually knew this turd was a trained Islamist killer and the arse-wipe is still invited in to enjoy life in Blighty. I find this decision to be beyond all understanding. It’s virtue signaling on steroids.
      If members of our gutless political establishment wish to commit suicide, then all means do so. Just don’t play Russian roulette with the lives of decent, hardworking people who live here.


      • Beeb Brother says:

        They like to say political correctness is harmless and is done with noble intentions, but it can be lethal. That Rotherham could happen is testament to what wicked witchcraft it is.


  40. Beeb Brother says:

    Great podcast of Dave Rubin interviewing Thomas Sowell. He describes liberal thinking as a super highway to hell.

    “Their problem is thinking that you do not have to check a good sounding idea against what actually happens.”


    ‘Multiculturalism’ sounds like a glorious rainbow paradise but the reality is Islamisation. And now it has turned out badly they not only fail to check what has happened but send you to prison if you even try!

    What about the majority of doctors being women? It sounds great but they cost a fortune to train then often choose to work part-time, which must cost the beloved NHS billions. To even mention the subject would be seen as outrageous sexism and would lead to you being unpersoned.

    One could go on and on.


    • Beeb Brother says:

      He says often outcomes are the opposite of what was intended.

      Many women are less happy due to feminist ideas. My brother’s wife works in the city AND does all the housework – what an awful deal that is!

      Multiculturalism cannot work if some refuse to integrate.

      Thomas Sowell is brilliant.


  41. AsISeeIt says:

    No complaint of bias about BBC TV news from me this morning.

    In fact, today I would like to thank the BBC for their elite metropolitan outlook and insistence on such an achingly PC presentation.

    Without which I would have been deprived of the broad smile I was gifted courtesy of their report fretting about a supposed decline in the number of wild rabbits in the British countryside – and the spectacle of the gesturing of the deaf sign language guy in the bottom right hand corner of the screen repeated doing the word for rabbit – need I specify… bunny ears.


    • Beeb Brother says:

      The most inane story ever was their lengthy report on ‘wall ball’, a new sport involving hitting a ball against a wall. Fearless stuff.


      • AsISeeIt says:

        Will BBC sport promote equal promotion of wimmin’s wall ball ?


  42. Deborah says:

    Jeremy Bowen on the news yesterday evening when interviewing an Israeli demanded aggressively why he wouldn’t use the term ‘Palestinian’. He didn’t even dare go among the Gaza demonstrators and would certainly not ask them for television is Israel has the right to exist.

    And I am fed up hearing on TV how it is provocative for the US to move their Embassy. The assumption is that everything must be done to appease Gaza.


    • Guest Who says:

      BBC morning email ‘summary’:
      Gaza violence: Fresh protests expected

      Gaza violence

      More demonstrations are expected in the Palestinian territories today, following the killing of 55 people by Israeli troops in Gaza on Monday. Tensions are likely to be particularly high where funerals for those killed are taking place. Tuesday also marks the 70th anniversary of what Palestinians call the Nakba, or Catastrophe, which saw thousands flee as Israel was being created in 1948.

      Monday’s violence came as the US opened its embassy in Jerusalem, which has incensed Palestinians, who claim the eastern part of the city as the capital of a future Palestinian state. Palestinian officials said about 2,700 people had been injured.

      But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said his military had acted in self-defence against Gaza’s Islamist rulers, Hamas. Hamas wanted to destroy Israel, he added.

      So what, if anything, can be done to resolve the settlement issue?“


      Well, BBC, to answer your last question, look at your first line.

      Maybe the violence would not happen if old men did not send young men on ‘’demons…’ border assaults as TV cannon fodder to give the likes of the BBC wet knickers?

      And maybe ponder a bit on what religion seems to be at the core of lethal kicking off during periods of fasting, or funerals, or…?


      • Guest Who says:

        Maybe Sam will offer a view? This from the blurb to a so called ‘Media Masters’ podcast:

        Sam Taylor
        Executive Editor, BBC News Channel

        Sam Taylor is Executive Editor of the BBC News Channel and BBC News at One. Starting his career as a news trainee in 1997, Sam oversees the coverage of huge breaking stories to an audience of 8 million; and combines both editorial and managerial responsibility, while also leading the channel’s future direction. In this in-depth interview, Sam talks about tackling cries of ‘BBC bias’ from passionate voices on either side of issues like Brexit, Trump, and Scottish independence; the right tone and mix of stories for the lunchtime bulletin; salaries of his presenters – and the furore over equal pay for women; keeping the channel relevant in the digital age to serve audiences old and new; the future of rolling news itself… and the perennial challenge of increasing quality with an ever-reducing budget.“


      • Guest Who says:

        Mel Phillips; a view:

        “The toll in today’s Gaza riots (according to the Hamas) currently stands at around 55 Arabs dead (amongst whom, say the Israelis, are at least ten Hamas terrorists); that toll may well rise with further riots threatened tomorrow and the day after.

        The people who caused these deaths are the Hamas themselves. But the people at whose door these dead Arabs should also be laid are the BBC and those in the rest of the British and other media who have acted their part in the script the Hamas has written: to cause as many Gazans to lose their lives as possible, the younger the better, so that the western media will portray Israel as wanton and disproportionate killers.”


        • Deborah says:

          Last night’s news on BBC I heard the newsreader Fiona Bruce (I do like calling them newsreaders although they think themselves so much more important) that several of the dead in Gaza were children …. some of them as young as 14. If I knew there would be trouble in demonstrations that would lead to deaths, would I let my 14 year old son attend? I think not. And the use of ‘children’ in this context. If they were black kids in south London stabbings they would at the very least be ‘youths’. Obviously the BBC newsreader was reading the press releases put out by Hamas.


    • Beeb Brother says:

      That is our pathetic approach: let them do whatever they want in case they riot or accuse you of racism. How many children have been raped thanks to this abject approach?


  43. JamesArthur says:

    Is it me or is R4 just having a anti Trump, anti Israel morning? Even dragged out the Rolling Stones to slag Trump off …oh yes they are starting a tour.. so it’s okay to use him as a promotional tool.
    The BBC really don’t like the Israelis do they? I don’t understand why – can anyone explain?


    • Fedup2 says:

      It is an interesting unbalance isn’t it ? An evil outfit like iran gets a free pass whilst the Israelis get the full liberal treatment .

      The spy woman Iranian who married an English bloke gets the victim treatment but Iran is barely mentioned .

      But when is said and done the most important thing is that the Eurovision Tune Show is in Jerusalem next year ….

      Declaration – i am not Jewish but I did go to Elat on holiday once .


      • JamesArthur says:

        It is –
        In the same way that Erdogan gets a State visit without so much as a whimper of discontent (BBC very quiet)- here’s a man that has jailed 10’s of thousands with cursory trials, put people out of work, closed down newspapers he doesn’t like, given himself more powers and excluded political opponents…
        And Trump.. gets elected in a democracy and is doing what he said he would in his election manifesto
        Hypocrisy rules….


        • Payne by name says:

          Oh you can’t mess with Erdogan – he’s got his very own CNN channel didn’t you know?


        • Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

          Has Boris Johnson met the wankerer from Ankara?


    • scribblingscribe says:

      anti Trump, anti Israel morning?

      erm, it is an anti Trump, Israel, and anyone else who doesn’t fit inside the narrow BBC political terms, millennium.


  44. Tabs says:

    How long are you going to live?

    Not only is the cartoon illustration the BBC’s wet dream of what a British family should look like but the BBC just cannot do any real “science”….

    Life expectancy is rising globally – people born in 2016 will on average live seven years longer than those born 25 years ago.

    They still think people are living to ever increasing age (longevity) which it not the case at all. Longevity has risen very slightly over the last few hundred years.

    I remember a school teacher incorrectly explaining to my class that the average lifespan in Afghanistan was 35 and he said no one really lives to 40 years old. Of course this is bollox as Afghanistan has a high infant mortality rate – take 2 people one dies as a baby one lives to 70 so average life span is 35. Now apply better medicine and baby doesn’t die and both live to 70. Average life span has now jumped from 35 to 70 but noone is ‘living 35 years longer’ than they did years ago.

    This simple fact is always lost on the likes of the BBC leftie science department who will then crowbar in how we need mass immigration to support all those old people living to 130 years old!


    • Up2snuff says:

      Tabs, it all depends where you look, too: “They still think people are living to ever increasing age (longevity) which it not the case at all. Longevity has risen very slightly over the last few hundred years.”

      It has actually recently fallen slightly in some parts of the UK. The TOADY Programme got in quite a tizzy over it for all of a day. Then their normal attention span kicked in. As you hinted in your post, the BBC has trouble with understanding the word average, too.

      Both WHO and World Bank show figures for different nations. In the developed world, Actuaries predict life expectancy using gathered information for a variety of purposes, not least Government planning and products like private pensions and life insurance.

      The actuarial tables I looked at a long time ago (averaging for the UK) were pretty much spot on for the turn of the century and on into its second decade.


  45. vlad says:

    Heart warming to see the beebistan promoting islam by ‘debunking common misconceptions’ on its webshite.

    Hard to know which is more absurd, the so-called misconceptions or the so-called debunking.

    E.g. Brushing your teeth breaks the fast (?!) You may not swallow your own saliva (?!) Kissing someone would invalidate your fast, and other such nonsense.

    Not sure if al beeb haven’t scored an own goal here. In trying to make the Religion of Peace and Murder look all fun and modern, they actually make it sound bonkers.

    And the pic they use, of cool everyday muslim folk… wtf ?!?
    More like propaganda – See? They’re just like you and me.



    • MarkyMark says:

      Easter … a time to eat chocolate.
      Ramadan … a time to not eat chocolate.


      • Banania says:

        Isn’t the parallel more: Ramadan = Lent – both periods of fasting?


    • Beeb Brother says:

      So many of their cringeworthy pieces about minorities do more to demean and patronise them than actual bigots ever could. Always taking offence on their behalf is so insulting, assuming they do not have sufficient strength to deal with it themselves so need snowflakes to do it for them.


  46. Foscari says:

    Let me explain something to the Corbanyst anti-Israel BBC. Gaza could
    be a very prosperous eastern Mediterranean state thriving on
    tourism. With the West Bank it could be part of an independendent
    Palestine. BUT for Hamas the only thing on their minds is to to
    destroy Israel. However Israel has the military strength to prevent
    BBC , Israel do not want Hamas to breach their borders ,
    enter settlements and kill their people. Can you understand this?
    Even if every country in Europe boycotts the Eurovision song
    contest next year, Israel will protect it’s people.
    Meanwhile BBC over 400,000 have been killed in the Syrian
    Civil War.


  47. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch
    An EU will it/won’t it, will we/won’t we, should we/shouldn’t we, could we/couldn’t we and the BBC’s love affair with America and Americans continues.

    How hard could it be to find two Brits to comment on and discuss the various Trade options for the Brexit negotiations? There must be hundreds of candidates out there but no, the BBC have to drag on an American to comment.

    Dear BBC, here is a reminder from me that you probably receive daily from others: the first B in those ‘BBC’ initials stands for British. OK?


  48. theisland says:

    A retired Commander of the Royal Navy says Starmer must account for why he is coordinating with foreign powers opposed to Government policy.
    It amounts to espionage.
    “… hardcore Remainers, who feel they can meet with the other side without a clear role or mandate to do so, should be publicly held to account, particularly by the media, and asked to justify their actions. So far, that is something which the media, much of it hopelessly biased, has avoided doing.”
    “To oppose the Government of the day within the UK is what the opposition is about and is beyond reproach. To coordinate and collude with the foreign powers opposed to Government policy, to pass inside information which potentially damages the UK’s interests and to publicise such actions as somehow honourable is entirely something else.”

    It is good to see someone ex-military actually put this down in black and white. We on this site have been saying it all along – we know a traitor when we see one. It’s a pity that the ‘honourable’ members of parliament do not tackle this treason instead of being a bunch of mealy-mouthed cowards.


    • scribblingscribe says:

      I honestly do not understand why there hasn’t been more outrage over Starmer undermining UK negotiations.


      • Beltane says:

        One reason – though no justification – is that Clarke, Clegg, Mandelson and Heseltine have been hard at it too. Oh, and Polly Toynbee of course.


        • theisland says:

          All equally traitors, but those in the Commons (including Clarke) should be dealt with immediately.


  49. MarkyMark says:

    A question … the BBC include a picture in their article “How long are you expected to live?” { 14may2018} showing a women in a hijab, it is the only religious symbol in the picture. Western liberated female Muslims tend not to wear the Hijab. So why show it?
    If it is about religion then should there be a person with Christian Cross and a Buddhist in a robe?