Weekend Open Thread

Amid the absence of new articles, here’s a new thread for the weekend!

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  1. Worthing Gooner says:

    The Biased Broadcasting Company today reports on the number of trains that miss out stops to enable them to get back on time. It tells us that the worst record is Govia Thameslink with and the best is Heathrow Express who have not missed out any intermediate stops. What they don’t bother to report is that there are NO intermediate stops on route between Paddington and Heathrow.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Great spot, Gooner.

      You must be a train spotter.



    • Moodswing6 says:

      Worthing I was amused by your post regarding the insipid BBC report about trains missing stops. Of all people the BBC globe trotting darlings of the media would surely know that the Heathrow Express is a non stop service . Then it struck me because that bunch of fake news experts wouldn’t dream of trying to get from W1A to Paddington to catch a train. For them it would have to be a driver picking them up from home or the studios taking them directly to Heathrow. As BBC journalists why would they lower themselves by travelling on a train with the general public. The more serious side of this is that from the smallest incidental story to the deadly serious world events you can not trust a word the BBC says.


  2. MarkyMark says:

    BBC actually reporting on deaths in London …
    London stabbings: Two dead and one critical in three attacks {bbc.co.uk 16apr2018}
    Two people have been stabbed to death in London in separate attacks within 40 minutes of one another.


    More than 35 people have been stabbed to death in the capital so far in 2018.


    • G says:

      Hang on a minute. There were so-called, “Dawn Raids” last week to suppress the murder and mayhem in Londonistan. All a “success” (that’ll teach the ethnics!) As I recall, > 100 people were arrested. That should solve the problem then! Well, no actually, it seems to go on, as one would expect with a multiculturally diverse population – another member of the ‘diverse’ community merely steps up to the plate…………….
      ’35 people have been stabbed to death’ – I thought the figure was >50?


    • dafydd says:


      Its Sadiq Khan’s London, obviously by his continued absence from making any statement these figures must be acceptable..Welcome to London, shithole capital of the UK


      • G says:

        Sadiq Khan: no commercial experience whatever; no experience in managing any entity that is slightly affiliated with a commercial organisation and ‘getting ones hands dirty’.
        How can this man (or anybody with his background) ‘manage’ a complex undertaking?
        The POTUS? No comparison. At least he’s got management ability.
        Would you interview Khan for a top management role in any large commercial organisation you care to choose? With the shareholders to think about: NO!
        He wouldn’t even get a look-in for an interview.


  3. JimS says:

    Listening to Radio 4 on Sunday I heard a strange programme by Ruby Wax called Frazzled.
    She started by telling us how our lives were being ruined by the likes of the BBC and the Toynbee Tribe, almost Jordan Peterson-like. Surely this cannot be?
    Then we had a pack of snowflake losers, most with ‘partners’, (well that is half their problem explained there, shacked up with someone not prepared to commit themselves).
    Was the programme an advertisment for Ruby Wax’s business? I don’t know, it left me ‘frazzled’.
    Then on to Feedback where, with glee, we are told that the only thing the BBC has done wrong ever, according to Ofcom, is to allow Lord Lawson on the radio. Hopefully next week they will be having a go at Lord Adonis for claiming that May, a remainer, said that the NHS would get £350M per week extra post-Brexit.
    And to top it all Last Word tells us what a nasty person Efrain Rios Montt was, who had people killed. Unlike the previous week when we were told what a nice person Winnie Mandela was, who had people killed. Blimey, I’m even more ‘frazzled’, good job BBC!


  4. StewGreen says:

    #Projection is a libmob characteristic
    from Afua Hirsch speaking on Friday’s Front Row
    “we give platforms to people who are provocative, who are extreme
    ..and I don’t think that people who are on the equivalent far-left have the same level as exposure, as people like Katie Hopkins”
    bbc video 22m26s
    Context Afua Hirsch has the extreme views like that Nelson’s Column should be torn down,
    … she is on TV/Radio all the time, as are people like Owen Jones, James O’Brien, Adonis and a 1,000 other lefties/racebaiters etc.


  5. G says:

    Let’s remember The Mail on Lady Chocibuttty –
    ‘Two-faced’ as all Labour supporters are. Interesting reading about May/Hate Speech laws.
    Incidentally, there is a difference between a person described as a ‘Barrister’ and ‘Barrister at Law’. Former merely did the Bar Vocational Course at uni after obtaining a Law Degree and has no practical experience.


  6. StewGreen says:

    Radio Sheffield to air 10 episodes of Naked Podcast
    “BBC journos Jenny Eells and Kat Harbourne strip off with their interviewee just before the conversation begins.”
    The long page only talks of female guests, no male.


  7. vlad says:

    While the beeb continue to milk the Lawrence murder endlessly (a 3-part docu ffs !?!), they’re not so interested in the black on black killings that continue apace, almost daily – and utterly ignore the racial aspect.

    Black lives matter, unless of course the killers are black too.


  8. StewGreen says:

    #Trans : 4:30pm Radio4 Religion Prog
    with Kamalanandi, and Philippa Whittaker, A Buddhist and a Christian who have both transitioned. And academic Dr Susannah Cornwall whose work concentrates on contextual theologies, particularly those relating to sex gender and sexuality.
    Also Indian transgender activist Vyjayanti Vasanta Mogli about the role that the Hijra play

    8pm BBC Racial stirring
    They won’t air Enoch’s speech with proper context
    Yet they give a guy a platform to air a Sikh event of the YEAR BEFORE When a bus driver pushed the turban issue “announces that he will set himself on fire if their demands are not met.”
    ..which led to some lines in Enoch’s speech citing “ethnic groups seek special rights that threaten the very fabric of society.”


  9. MarkyMark says:

    The EU has revealed its true nature: a federalist monster that will not stop until nations are abolished {07apr2016}

    “National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”


  10. MarkyMark says:

    “Isn’t it time we came together to topple these greedy pricks ?”

    ‘time’ – she has all day to do stuff.
    ‘we’ – she means YOU.
    ‘greedy pricks’ – she means anyone she does not like.



  11. G says:

    Is this Lady Brooke’s maiden voyage today on TWatO?


  12. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Proof that the left really are lunatics. Self immolation of a gay-rights lawyer/green activist.
    “In a suicide note found nearby, Mr Buckel wrote that he had immolated himself using fossil fuel to symbolise what he said was the damage human beings were doing to the Earth.

    He said most people now breathed bad air and many died prematurely.

    Mr Buckel was well known for his legal work on behalf of gay, lesbian and transgender people and later worked with several environmental groups.”


    • Al Shubtill says:

      What a waste of petrol.


      • Alicia Sinclair says:

        Will they cremate him, or just sweep his ashes up?
        Not much to bury is it? Boy-we`ve gone from Jan Palach to this weirdo in 50 years.
        Hopefully the next nut will stand under a big magnifying glass and save the petrol he wasted. Suppose he got some Esso medal towards his World Cup Team collection.
        See- I was watching in 1970.


        • G.W.F. says:

          I don’t suppose there was enough electricity in a wind turbine to finish him off.
          He could have done it with green intentions. Buried alive with an acorn up his arse so he could grow an oak tree


    • StewGreen says:

      Protest was about “air made unhealthy by fossil fuels”
      Now with his selfish stunt of emotional bullying his cause gathers more publicity and even more people will light a candle in his name
      … Meaning the air is a little more UNHEALTHY


    • vesnadog says:

      “In a suicide note found nearby, Mr Buckel”

      Self-Murder; never I good thing!


  13. Beeb Brother says:

    Windrush and the anniversary of Stephen Lawrence’s murder. BBC staff must be masturbating in a circle at the prospect of so much race-based victimhood to wallow in.

    Anniversaries are such a cop out. Just an excuse for them to shove their agenda down our throats for the billionth time. Who is going to watch their programmes about the case, with every Lammy and Abbot chipping in with shovel-loads of nonsense, when you can just watch whatever you want on YouTube instead?


  14. G.W.F. says:

    Europe is going for a long term war. Don’t buy the story about a limited strike. Macron has persuaded Trump to stay, so he claims, and it looks likely.

    BBC acting as a mouthpiece for regime change step by step.



  15. fakenewswatcher says:

    Noticed Sarah Montague on 13h00 R4 news, presenting a long lead item on individual experiences of ‘Windrushers’ that weren’t happy cos this that and the other had been done wrong to them and they had lots of whinges and complaints, which she prompted and encouraged at every step. The pathetic Minister she hauled over the coals couldn’t bow, scrape, back-pedal and apologise fast enough.
    This extended, self-absorbed Agony Aunt Act/Campaign was supposed to be the news?! If this is a foretaste of Montague at 1.00, I will find REAL news elsewhere. I can do without the campaigning and virtue signalling.


    • Up2snuff says:

      fnw, what has happened the BBC and history?

      This morning on TOADY, they were talking of the Windrush Generation and linking them to the 1960s.

      Only two decades out!

      Dear BBC, it is easy to check facts in the digital age with a few clicks of the mouse. Get off Facebook and Twitter, BBC, and do some journalism.


      • BRISSLES says:

        I too listened to the 1.00 pm offering on the Windrush Whingers. I kept shouting “ask the question ! ask the question!”. A 61 year old man being interviewed at his plight at not having the right documents to stay here, and how he was arrested twice – YET he has been working and paying taxes. So, the question ? how could he work without a NI number which entitles him to everything from NHS treatment to a bloody bus pass. Then he says he must have been discriminated because he hadn’t paid tax for 2 years – his job ? a painter and decorator, surely Montague smelled a rat – did he EVER pay tax ? I rather think not. No digging deeper is ever done with these journalists – Grenfell all over again.


        • Lobster says:

          I have several mates I grew up with who were born in Jamaica but went to school and worked here and live here. They all applied for, and obtained, British Citizenship YEARS ago to avoid this very situation – so if this bloke couldn’t be bothered to do the same, it seems a bit of an own-goal to me.


        • fakenewswatcher says:

          BRISSELS- I think you’re spot on. There are odd things here. Our painter didn’t seem to have documentation of any kind. Even odder: the Minister was more than happy to require none, and simply take verbal evidence. In fact, I’d have to go back and listen again, as Montague kept pushing against an open door with such vigour that all I can remember was the Minister being swept off her feet and – no doubt desperate to avoid any version of the R word-
          being carried away by the tide.


      • Fedup2 says:

        I see it’s Lawrence week to mark the 25th anniversary – a set of stamps , a rock concert, a tee shirt , pop concert , re-enactment , play , musical and an in-depth inquiry —-an any questions special .. multiple books ….they’ll dig up McPherson if he’s dead and have the whole civil rights black lives do or don’t matter industry on full al beeboid voliumd .. same for the 50th 75th and 100th anniversary .


  16. Up2snuff says:

    Wonderful moment on The Westminster Hour last evening (R4 10-11pm) as the discussion turns to the launch of the ‘People’s Vote’ (yes, you may debate whether the apostrophe is in the correct place) in Camden, London. They want another EU Referendum, this time on the terms of the Brexit deal. Neither the presenter nor the MPs contributing mentioned the two magic words.

    If you wave your hands while saying “Gina Miller” a vote like that is bound to disappear.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I’m curious as to who the 1200 remainers were at this highly successful gathering ? Was it luvvies friends and relatives ? Sir Nick Clegg and brood ?
      A sober soubry? A Bragg? A balls ? Lord and lady Adonis and the little adoni ? A beeboid ? There must be a list …


      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, don’t know but I hope they keep careful account of donations from all those Luvvies. Wouldn’t want them exceeding any official limits or rules …

        I wonder if keen Brexiteers can take the following statement as an indication of the level at which they will operate:
        ” Actor Sir Patrick Stewart, who played Charles Xavier in the X-Men films based on the comic books, said the famous character would have voted Remain.

        He told the rally: “Unity, common cause, wellbeing of society and debate were paramount to the belief of this fictional character.

        “Our country’s future is at stake and we will not stand idly by.

        “That is why I support a people’s vote on the final deal.” ”


        Fiction and the EU, fiction and Remaining in the EU …. yes, well …. say no more.


        • Fedup2 says:

          Now that a knight of the Theatre – Sir Patrick Stewart has dipped his hands in the blood of remainers I noticed from his wiki that he resides in America and in the uk ( Cotswolds ) . He must come into contact with ordinary joe public between his airport runs .

          He also said he was considering applying for US citizenship to vote against President Trump but the trail goes cold on whether he has actually become a foreigner . Suppose he’s after a peerage .


          • Up2snuff says:

            Fed, “I noticed from his wiki that he resides in America and in the uk ( Cotswolds )”

            Wot, no Paris Apartment?

            Wot, no Tuscan villa?

            At least my Remainer friends actually LIKE the EU and have holiday homes there.


            • Fedup2 says:

              I’m sure he has other modest flops. His dad was an RSM in the Second World War and seemingly had a hard time , socialist like his son -and in its heart the ReichEU.


  17. StewGreen says:

    ITV 9pm The Queen’s Green Planet
    \\ The film also features a conversation between the Queen and Sir David Attenborough in the gardens of Buckingham Palace last summer, with the subjects ranging from climate change to conkers and birthday gifts. …
    Sir David says: “I suppose, actually, the trees with which you will be presented are going to change as our climate changes and there will be all kinds of different trees growing here in another 50 years’ time.”

    In response, the Queen says: “It might easily be, yes. I won’t be here though,” //

    8pm Channel 4 “The true cost of Green energy” why bringing tree 4,000 miles to burn in Drax is not ecological.


    • MarkyMark says:

      Use the word controversial when you don’t mean what you say …. ‘carbon-neutral’ … not really neutral if you ship it across the world …

      Reporter Antony Barnett investigates a subsidised renewable energy industry that turns trees into fuel, and asks whether burning wood instead of coal is really an environmentally friendly answer to climate change. He travels to the forestlands of the south-eastern United States to find one source of this controversial ‘carbon-neutral’ fuel, and the biodiverse wetlands of Virginia and North Carolina, where millions of tonnes of wood are harvested and processed into pellets, which are burnt in one of Britain’s largest power stations. Channel 4

      . . . . .

      – ‘carbon-neutral’.
      – biodiverse wetlands of Virginia and North Carolina. (destroyed)
      – harvested. (takes energy)
      – processed into pellets. (takes energy)
      – shipped from USA to UK. (takes energy)


      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        If you could run an industrial economy by burning wood, we would never have developed the difficult and dangerous industry of coal mining.

        Coal represents the residues of trees and plants which lived over millions of years. It is dense, largely pure, carbon. You could chop down every tree in the world, and not have enough to burn to power a modern state. At the moment, only fossil fuels or nuclear power can do this. The destruction of forests in the name of green power is a scandal worthy of Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

        The Green fallacy is literally a threat to the ecology of the planet.


        • Al Shubtill says:

          The forests in Georgia (US) which are being felled and pelletised to ship across the Atlantic and transported by rail to burn in Drax power station, which btw was constructed to be near one of the UK’s biggest (still extant) coal fields; are virgin woodland not plantations.

          I would have expected the Greenies to be up in arms at the massive destruction of ancient habitat such as this, yet nothing but (ironically) tumbleweed


        • Fedup2 says:

          Come on Rob – if there are future generations they must have something to look back at and laugh at saying “ they did what??”


  18. MarkyMark says:

    When the problem becomes the political class … what do you do?


    Rt Hon Keith Vaz MP – Alleged breach of paragraphs 10 and 16 of the Code of Conduct

    Mr Ian Paisley MP – Alleged breach of paragraph 13 of the Code of Conduct

    Mr Ian Lavery MP – Alleged breach of paragraphs 14 and 15 of the Code of Conduct for Members

    Mr Bill Esterson MP – Alleged breach of paragraph 15 of the Code of Conduct

    Mr Craig Mackinlay MP – Alleged breach of paragraph 13 of the Code of Conduct

    Dr Rosena Allin-Khan MP – Alleged breach of paragraph 15 of the Code of Conduct

    Mr David T C Davies MP – Alleged breach of paragraph 15 of the Code of Conduct

    Mr Robert Courts MP – Alleged breach of paragraph 15 of the Code of Conduct

    . . . .

    10. Members shall base their conduct on a consideration of the public interest, avoid conflict between personal interest and the public interest and resolve any conflict between the two, at once, and in favour of the public interest.

    13. Members shall fulfil conscientiously the requirements of the House in respect of the registration of interests in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests. They shall always be open and frank in drawing attention to any relevant interest in any proceeding of the House or its Committees, and in any communications with Ministers, Members, public officials or public office holders.[4]

    15. Members are personally responsible and accountable for ensuring that their use of any expenses, allowances, facilities and services provided from the public purse is in accordance with the rules laid down on these matters. Members shall ensure that their use of public resources is always in support of their parliamentary duties. It should not confer any undue personal or financial benefit on themselves or anyone else, or confer undue advantage on a political organisation.

    16. Members shall never undertake any action which would cause significant damage to the reputation and integrity of the House of Commons as a whole, or of its Members generally.


  19. taffman says:

    ” Enoch Powell – Welsh UKIP Assembly Member, Neil Hamilton ‘Tells it like it is’ …………

    And …………………………………………..


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  21. MarkyMark says:

    “We will (Conservatives) reduce net migration from the hundreds of thousands to the tens of thousands. It will not be easy. It will take hard work and a great deal of political courage. But the British people want us to do it and it is the right thing to do. So we will do it.” – Theresa May

    “Immigration: Home Secretary’s speech of 5 November 2010”

    – But the British people want us to do it and it is the right thing to do.


  22. Halifax says:

    Conchita Wurst has got HIV …..Below is the report from SKY. Do you think they want her (him) to be known as SHE?

    Former Eurovision Song Contest winner Conchita Wurst says she has been forced to reveal she is HIV positive after being blackmailed by a former friend.
    In a post on Instagram the Austrian drag queen said she has been living with the virus for many years.
    She said she had decided to come out with the news herself before her friend did.
    Wurst, who won the singing contest in 2014 with the song Rise Like A Phoenix, wrote that she had received medical treatment and that she was feeling healthy and strong.
    The bearded performer, the alter ego of Thomas Neuwirth, wrote that “coming out is better than being outed by a third party”.
    She said in the post in her native German: “I have been hiv-positive for many years.


    • Holly Selassie says:

      But his lifestyle won`t be criticised-and at considerable cost to all concerned. Now had he been a bearded bloke who SMOKED? Well, Nurse Merkel etc would not be happy.
      Why are all preventable, self-inflicted ailments( well, 95% of them anyway) not treated the same then? The media requires one, shuns the other.


  23. StewGreen says:

    Orban non-lefty – the one that has a huge mandate from DEMOCRATIC election
    Soros the lefty – uses huge funds to try to usurp democratic decisions
    Guy Verhofstadt @guyverhofstadt tweeted 14 Apr
    \\ Further disturbing developments in Orban’s #Hungary as civil society & academics are listed as “Soros mercenaries” by pro-Government media
    in a manner that reminds us of Europe’s darkest days.
    International community & @EPP must condemn #istandwithCEU //


  24. Up2snuff says:

    BBC News and also the web-site:

    “Never, in the field of human sports playing has so much been made of a netball match by so few.”


    • MarkyMark says:

      Hooray! Women have been given freedom … by men … but told to not be too free (remove head gear) … {bbc.co.uk}

      . . . .

      Although the event received positive reactions from some on Twitter, it proved to be controversial for others.

      A Twitter user commented: “I am not a religious cleric but a woman can be seductive and getting on a bicycle reveals all her attractive parts to men. If she wants to ride a bike she must do that by herself and not in public nor in front of people.”

      Another user said women sports are needed, “but within limits and not in front of men”.

      Many Twitter users praised the cyclists and organisers. @p9p___ said the event “looks like so much fun.”

      @foof_foofa praised the city for staging the race. “We don’t care about your objections,” she tweeted.

      @N9n9Ta replied to critics of the race: “In five years or 10 or 20, the women who are criticizing the event on social media are going to take part in similar races or will attend them and cheer on those racing. Just like they did with mobile phones, televisions, schools, nursing, medicine… They’ll look back and be embarrassed by the way they reacted.”


    • Fedup2 says:

      As Churchill once said … “ err it’s not the end of the beginning – it the beginning of the end – or somewhere in between..” ( abridged )plucky English ladies returning smiling at Heathrow – the siren call of al beeb punditry calls ?


      • gb123 says:

        Next, just as with the wimin’s hockey team.
        1. Find the most photogenic one, get lots of sexy photos and put her on BBC programmes wall to wall then question of sport or similar. Ignore previous complaints about grid girls etc.
        2. Find a LGBBBCetc couple. Interview and virtue signal diversity.
        3. Forget after 2-3 news cycles.
        4. Complain about grid girls or similar again.


    • Sluff says:

      The BBC would be bigging up the European Tiddlywinks championships if our women’s team got through.
      All part of the ‘equality in sport’ agenda.


  25. Fedup2 says:

    Londonistan Crime Update

    2 stabbed to death today – grown ups apparently -my count is 60 dead in londonistan year to date . Since the y o y average is about 110 I think the people of londonistan can congratulate themselves for easily exceeding the average . I’m going for 140 not terrorist killings this year . I’m not going to mention it any more as al beeb has got bored with it and is far happier wasting air on foreign events .


  26. StewGreen says:

    Clare Foges
    “Labour’s exploitation of Grenfell should not only be a turn-off to the voters in these local elections.
    It should be a warning to us all of the envy, hatred and division that a Corbyn premiership would unleash”
    In the Times

    Labour’s exploitation of Grenfell is an outrage – The decision to weaponise a national tragedy demonstrates the divisive nature of Corbynism from ukpolitics


    • Fedup2 says:

      Re the allegedly deported wind rush people

      Can anyone here actually sumarise what has happened because if West Indians who came here in the 1950/60s have been deported for lack of paperwork that surely means the hippy Amber Rudd’s political head being stuck on a pike somewhere which is a long known parliamentary tradition for the Ministry of Fuckups..

      I’m guessing billions have been deported – according to Diane abbots ample figures ….


  27. MarkyMark says:

    BBC … really … £3.5bn … was Tom Daley informed?

    Gay vultures’ chick from Amsterdam Royal Zoo released {bbc.co.uk 16apr2018}
    ‘Zoo keeper Job van Tol last year described the pair as “a very tight couple”.’ (but the heterosexual ones were lose?)


  28. StewGreen says:

    “UK has more tech startups & more leading universities than the rest of the EU put together” Matt Ridley


  29. pugnazious says:

    Astounding dishonesty from the BBC in how they report the fall out from the chemical attack in Syria.
    An israeli general was on the radio last week being interviewed by the BBC and he criticised the BBC’s willingness to keep quoting and presenting everything the Russians say as gospel, much of course as they do with the EU whose statements are always the ‘rational and sensible’ baseline for any talk about Brexit…whereas anything the UK government says has to be questioned, criticised and laughed at.

    The Israeli general was of course 100% right as even today shows as the BBC reports that we are in a worse situation than at anytime during the Cold War and that it is our fault because we have been so unfriendly to Russia….according to Russia. No context, qualification, analysis just as there is none of that when it comes to Corbyn. His statements are not given any critical treatment at all it seems, no special analysis no ‘fact checking’, no comment that ‘he would say that anyway’ because he is radically opposed to Britain and its security services and he is more likely to be a good friend of Russia than Trump ever would be [note not much recanting from the BBC of the Trump/Russia blackmail slurs as he imposes ever more stringent sanctions on Russia and bombs Russia’s ally!]

    Martha Kearney may have given the ineffective Chakrabarti a bit of a grilling but missed the crucial claim by her when she said that Britain was ‘punishing Syria before investigating’ and we need to use ‘urgent, necessary and proportionate force with the will of the world behind it’

    Er…it wasn’t ‘punishment’ it was in fact targeted and measured bombing of Assad’s chemical research, production, storage facilities and delivery means in order to stop further attacks. This was in fact the very ‘urgent, necessary and proportionate force’…which did indeed have much of the world willing it on….not just France, the US and UK.

    Shame Martha Kearney didn’t stop to challenge that statement as it is central to Labour’s position and posturing.

    But that’s not all, Sarah Montague, now in the afternoon slot, actually peddled Labour’s line demanding to know ‘Why the UK carried out a punishment attack before investigating?’.

    Curiously just before that, surely Montague knew of it?, we had a snippet of the BBC’s Hardtalk interview [tonight 20:30] with Russia’s foreign minister Sergei Lavrov. In this we hear the BBC quote French intelligence giving its evidence for the chemical attack. The BBC, other than on Hardtalk tonight, seem very reluctant to mention the French evidence nor the US evidence which has been widely reported elsewhere….the communications intercepts that place helicopters at the site at the time, the photos of canisters and the evidence from the victims as well as samples taken from the site that indicate Chlorine and other agents being used.

    Why do we not hear of all this evidence when the BBC is repeatedly telling us that Corbyn thinks there is no evidence and that the attack was illegal? Curious how Corbyn is so concerned with the legality and not the morality here when normally it is the other way around….but don’t expect the BBC to raise that curious about-face.

    Extraordinary that the BBC makes so little of the evidence when it is so obviously crucial to the discussion and the politics as Corbyn disgraces himself by playing politics and blatantly sides with Russia….with the BBC seemingly eager not to rain on his parade too much…once again it sides with Russia as it did, alongside its stablemate, the Guardian, when it helped cheerlead for Snowden and his enormously damaging attack on Western intelligence especially in regard to tackling terrorism which his revelations set back tremendously.


    • Al Shubtill says:

      Why would Corbyn be “a good friend of Russia” when it hasn’t been Socialist since 1991 and he’s an old school Red?

      Also, Corbs is just asking the questions and raising the points, which Michael Howard should have with Tony Blair; whose legacy is that nobody should ever take at face value anything that MI5 & 6 say, which could be used as a pretext for putting the UK into a situation resulting in the killing and maiming of British soldiers and the wasting of billions of pounds.


  30. pugnazious says:

    Any chance Amber Rudd is happy to admit to Home Office chaos in the Windrush debacle as the BBC links it remorselessly and inevitably to Brexit and is busy claiming this is just a foretaste of what is to come? Or is that just too cynical?


    • Holly Selassie says:

      Got out of the car, just as some Black ham was raging about “days of shame, the likes we`ve never seen before”.
      Regarding this Rudd shambles.
      Let me guess-stentorian, histrionic and wringing every gram(EU compliant) of wrought emotion out of his peroration.
      What a soundbite. Move over Donald Sinden, weep Sir Lenward Henry and cry , ye Blessed Brians!
      Now- do tell-was this David Lammy treading the bards?
      I`ve got a small rose riding on it.
      I do declare it was. What a performance.
      This is the cured ham that Quentin Letts needs to watch in full flow.
      I`m Amalammy Bound. Al Jolson is back.
      He`ll not be wanted at the Mosque after this, who`s seen such a ham before?


  31. taffman says:

    “Pound’s strong run continues with push above $1.43”
    And importantly “………., while against the euro it was 0.2% higher at €1.1569.”
    Will captain Picard eat his words?
    There is a HYS running and there’s plenty of space .


    • scribblingscribe says:

      Looking at the bbc’s chart the pound appears to be back to close where it was before Brexit. No doubt the BBC will be celebrating this achievement.



  32. Holly Selassie says:

    Managed to sit through nearly all of Beyond Belief.
    It was about sexchanging people in religions.
    Of course, there is always a Muslim on such shows when religion is discussed.
    But today we had the Anglican(man who`s acting up as a lady)-a Buddhist( lady who`s now going blokey)-and…tada!
    Oh-a normal dolly from a a Poly nearby-something in Theological Anthropology , should you want to rush to the College before the doors are locked.
    No Muslim at all.
    And so the “evangelical Christians” were the “scapegoat” for all that nasty binary sex role stuff that Islam requires. Nasty judgemental Jesus and His followers eh?
    As for what Islam thinks and does to “non-binary, assigned and identifying gender bending” types when it finds them? We may never know. Ernie seemed to not feel this worth the worry.
    But the Synod didn`t write the gays a prayer last month-BOO!
    Am now trying to put tumbleweed through my sewing machine so I can make a burqa for brave Sir Ernie. Pathetic Beebos!


    • Fedup2 says:

      Holly –

      Al beeb has lost it with Christianity – Islam can do not wrong – any other religion can do no right.
      Why bother.? Al beeb has some weird CofE tame vicar who turns up just about everywhere like amol .

      As for my lot – the RCs – paedo priests is all they want to talk about.


  33. Sluff says:

    Ha ha ha.
    The bBBC have for many months been bigging up women’s sport, trying to convince us it is the equal of men’s sport.
    So…….how successful have they been?

    Pointless today . Final round. Name anyone in any of the 2014 Women’s rugby world cup, 2016 Olympic women’s hockey team, or 2017 women’s cricket world cup champions.

    The contestants, who had some sports knowledge, had no clue at all, and guessed three names, all wrong.

    Not going too well, is it?


  34. Sluff says:

    BBC main news.
    No, not the Syria bombing Commons debate.
    The government apologising for the Windrush generation immigrants who may force deportation.
    Tick. Tick. Tick.


    • Guest Who says:

      BBC main news.

      ‘Six explosive new claims by James Comey’

      Just the teensiest bit of ‘one degree of separation’ and hyperbole there.

      Click the link and…


      ‘James Comey: Six claims about Trump from ex-FBI director’

      So, less hyperbole.

      But what is this…?:

      “… included the charge that the president was morally unfit and may have obstructed justice.”

      The ‘charge’? And ‘may have’?

      Drip, drip, drip.


      • Up2snuff says:

        Aaah, but there is a new book to promote. The BBC just love that. That or a new record.

        Now, I recall another one, a book about Trump, was it released in time for Christmas last year by … umh … now who wrote that?


        No? Quite.

        On another tack, why does Comey’s description of President Trump’s moral standing in his eyes always instantly remind me of Former President Bill Clinton?


    • Al Shubtill says:

      “The outrage over Windrush shows how the most shrill indignation by MPs is reserved for people who are not actually citizens of this country. If you contrast that with the tepid establishment reaction to Telford it’s very revealing as to where their priorities are.”


      • Fedup2 says:

        It would be good to have facts as opposed to anecdotes . If people from the Islands have been seriously affected then – as I noted here before – a political head may roll – but I suppose May won’t do it as her fingerprints are on policy .
        If Corbyn doesn’t give her a kicking on Wednesday PMQ – especially with the Lawrence Fest – he might as well go live on the allotment


        • Fedup2 says:

          Sorry – I missed a bit . I agree about the political correctness and fear of allegations of racist which led to the failure of the British state to protect white kids from evil pakis . These are two bad and sad stories.


  35. StewGreen says:

    Impartial ? The One Show thinks it’s Greenpeace
    our ‘camapign against single use plastics’


    • StewGreen says:

      I’ve no problem with private people or activist orgs using THEIR OWN MONEY for open policy campaigning
      … but media/journos should be watching from the side to hold them to account
      … NOT jumping into to bed with them.
      BBC gets it into its head that its strong emotional beliefs EQUALS universal beliefs so thinks it’s OK to switch into campaign mode.
      – Climate Change Alarmism
      – The idea that free immigration is a universal good
      – That Brexit =Catastrophe
      – That there is a systematic of favouring hiring A group of people , and paying members of that group more
      ..and that group is men
      – That certain groups eg trans are #MoreThanEqual
      – That becoming vegan is a universal good
      Those a re a few of the BBC campaigns as well as “Brexit/Trump/Tories must fall”


    • StewGreen says:

      Hyprocrisy .. that they complain about plastic litter
      * what about the balloon release they featured the other week ?*

      #TV-land =False-land


    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      “Topic at the forefront of everybodys minds” eh?
      The BBC increasingly are going mad-NOBODY but one do-gooding girl on the wards has discussed this ONCE in 2018, here where the real people live.
      She`s got a partner coining it in on the local council, so she could afford to wring her hankie by the Waitrose deli when I saw her once.
      Only the likes of the BBC. Packham and empty vessels like Gove give a damn. I rather like my blokes moobs-so plastic might not be the villain they`re saying!
      Plastic News indeed-just slides off into artifice and unrecyclable.
      Only wish Hillsborough, Remoaners, Trump, Russia and Leveson -and Lawrence-had been coated in the stuff and would not be worth endless reruns, Not news , any of it.


  36. Oldspeaker says:

    I’m seeing a real schism forming around the beebs reporting of events in Syria. I’m guessing someones been told to toe the May line or the gravy train slows down a bit, still, there’s a real risk of inducing schizophrenia among some of the newsroom staff. Never thought I’d say it, but I’m with Corbyn on this. For a few alternative ideas this makes a good listen
    It’s a secular edition of a Christian podcast, so I don’t think anyone averse to such material is in any danger of conversion.


    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      I find myself suffering severe anxiety, sleepless nights, lack of thought co-ordination, and why?
      I find myself agreeing with Steptoe too….where can I get some counselling?


      • Oldspeaker says:

        It’s just not right is it? Once I became aware he was saying the same things I was thinking I had to double check, there was no getting away from it though.


        • G.W.F. says:

          I too am critical of Trump. May, Macron, Trudeau and over half of the BBC. With that alliance, bells should be ringing.

          Steptoe has played it right on this one, but to criticise May is to be accused of being a shill for Putin.

          Syria has split both the left and conservatives.
          I remain in the belief in a unity of the state and the BBC and May is following her masters who have a long term ambition to destabilize Syria. And this objective is backed by an almost united media.


        • Up2snuff says:

          You know what it is, LeftMob are having a collective nervous breakdown with LeftLibbies, Marxists and HardLefties plus Alt-Left all wanting Trump to fail, Treeza to fail and yet those two are pasting the guys they love to hate, Assad and Putin.

          We small ‘c’ and large ‘C’ conservatives and all the Middlies and Moderates together with any right-wingers and right-whingers on here are just mere collateral damage, splattered with the Ordure Papers waved by the Left Mob as they drown in a sea of conflicting opinions and hypocritical arguments.

          Pass the Prozac, please …

          …. no, on second thoughts we could use some popcorn …. and pizza. Can we afford any pop to go with it or will the sugar tax now bust our budget? Ice creams.

          Now there’s a thought. It has been a long hard winter. Time for ice creams. And chocolate. Chocolate Ice Creams. Carry on Jezza! We are going for a carry-out.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Old – ditto – as I think they say – on the Corbyn line.
      I think the missile strike was so limited -apart from not wanting to kill Russians – was that the allies realised being sold a pup but had been manoeuvred into having to do something – me being arm chair field Marshall again.al beeb – like the rest of the media – swallowed the video it was fed which in turn forced the hand of the governments – unless of course they know more …


  37. Sluff says:

    Heres a quick bit of insidious BBC bias.
    On the 10pm news, the Syrian bombings were covered – second, after the Windrush story.
    No matter.
    Coverage moves to a protest outside parliament.
    A placard is shown. ‘No more bombing’ or something.
    But VERY conveniently the final photoframe of the coverage cleverly omits the top title on the placard, which of course is ‘‘Socialist Worker’.
    So the BBC are dressing up an extreme left wing organisation as some sort of harmless student idealists.
    Left wing bias. Proved.


  38. fakenewswatcher says:

    Windrush : David Lammy was allowed (encouraged to let rip?) a lengthy, rambling rant on R4, made more dangerous by the fact that there were real truths popping up here and there, and an occasional half-hearted attempt at a question/suggestion by the interviewer, giving a vague but erroneous impression that a discussion was taking place.
    In truth Lammy seemed to have latched on to the atmosphere of ‘mea culpa’, buck-passing and self-flagellation taking place in government and the media, and exploited it to the full to promote his own agenda.
    I tend to agree with him on two things:
    1) Injustices have taken place, although his outraged embellishments did much to blur the real issues; and
    2) The responsible Secretary of State and her equally useless predecessor should resign – although I notice that the shrewd Lammy (fully in control of what he was saying) did not respond to a suggestion re the latter. Both of them probably think they tick a box by simply being who they are, and are unlikely to take any responsibility and do the honourable thing.


  39. Sluff says:

    Meanwhile in Pakistan…..

    Its that good old ‘religion of peace’ again.
    Strangely, I cannot find the story on the BBC website. Perhaps it slipped through the net of all those world class journalists. Or maybe it was just a bit too inconvenient.


  40. Guest Who says:

    Bet Paul Mason is pissed at no longer being the go-to guy for this one:

    The protests continue at Starbucks after the controversial arrest of two black men who were waiting for a friend.

    Posted by BBC News on Monday, April 16, 2018


    • Eddy Booth says:

      I cannot see anything just a log in page

      The arrested starbucks people
      refused to order anything,
      were annoyed they were not allowed to use the shit house.
      refused to leave,
      refused to leave even when the police arrive,
      10 mins of the cops asking are arressted..

      White people saying it wouldn’t have happened to me-
      i wonder why


      • Guest Who says:

        The link is to the Facebook page, which can often be different to the rest of the bbc ‘reporting’. But also has comments, which can and do head in ways the bbc may feel are unfortunate.

        Here’s the story linked to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43787667?

        There is of course the mandatory apology, which ensures further stamping of feet. I also notice a ‘BLM’ placard, suggesting a Skinny Mochachino Latte is more dangerous than oft appreciated.


  41. Thatcherrevolutionary says:

    2 weeks ago
    ‘Bolton is a dangerous Neocon and maniac who will lead Trump into war’
    Last week
    ‘The Trump administration must start a war in the first few days of John Bolton’s tenure’


  42. StewGreen says:

    Windrush hyperbole
    Guy on C4 was implying that the immigrants are being asked documentary evidence for every single year.
    Is that outrageous ?
    The law is \\Your status is only broken following a long period outside of the UK (2 years).//
    Plus they might be guarding against non-immigrants who come from Jamaica and tell NHS that they are a Windrush immigrant… but I can’t see them deporting someone on the mere grounds that he has 1 or 2 gaps in his otherwise record

    The Guardian said :
    Lawyers working for people in this situation say the level of documentary proof required by the Home Office is extremely high, with officials requesting to see a minimum of one, but preferably four, pieces of documentary evidence for every year spent in the UK. Often GP surgeries and schools that might have been able to provide documentary proof of their residence have since closed, and records destroyed.

    A black guy has just been on LBC, saying years ago he took the steps to legalise himself, said it was easy cost him £5, and what kind of fool would not regularlise themselves ? because there was always a risk that politics would change and you’d get kicked out the country.
    I just checked the Homeoffice page and it says

    3. Evidence to support your application
    We understand that many people are unlikely to have documents that are over 40 years old but you should send as much information as possible in support of your application.

    To help you build a picture of your life in the UK, think about:

    where you went to school, where you might have studied, where you have worked …
    Documents that can help support your application: exam certificates, employment records, your National Insurance number, birth and marriage certificates, bills and letters.



    • StewGreen says:

      Seems to me that these Windrush people have been lazy and getting away with it.
      eg the Rules say that to get treated at the NHS you have to have the correct documents.

      When we travel to a foreign country, we obey the rules
      eg some say you have to carry your passport everyday,
      others say you have to register at a government office 90 days after arriving etc.


      • Eddy Booth says:

        Sounds a lot like that new goverment Verify identity site they are slowly rolling out.
        A passport and driving licence isnt good enough anymore,
        they want to know everything about you before they will finally verify who you are.
        Data mining.


  43. pugnazious says:

    The BBC still keeping up the smears and nonsense about Trump. Today we heard he was anti-Semitic, amongst many other things he is supposed to be, and yet his daughter, the famous Ivanka, married a Jew and converted…must be awkward eh?

    Or not. Only in the BBC’s little world.

    Here’s more rubbish as the BBC’s Anthony Zurcher [pronounced ‘Useless C**t’] digs deep for the hottest breaking news…..

    ‘Six explosive new claims about Donald Trump’

    Nothing explosive and definitely not new about these ‘revelations’ from the less than credible and less than ethical and less than principled Comey.

    Trump is ‘morally unfit’…purely a subjective and obviously somewhat prejudiced view from a man who was unceremoniously sacked by Trump…probably for good reason.

    ‘Obstruction of justice’….ie in regard to Flynn…Comey made claims that Trump tried to stop the investigation…Comey said he wrote a memo immediately after the meeting….but has unfortunately lost this most important document that he felt so desperate to record such was the import of the contents. How could the head of the FBI lose such a document? Maybe it never existed.

    ‘Impeachment’….the Democrats have been talking that up forever….nothing new there then.

    ‘Clinton’s emails’…again what’s new and explosive here? Oh hang on…one thing, but not concerning Trump…concerning Clinton…Comey said ‘if I hide this from the American people, she’ll be illegitimate the moment she’s elected, the moment this comes out.”‘…which surely indicates the emails had stuff in them which was highly detrimental to Clinton and thus should have been aired and examined….the BBC never did bother to look at them for some reason…wonder why….too busy trying to nail Trump using the very dodgy dossier paid for by the Demcorats and filled with juicy gossip by Russian intelligence. And the BBC still thinks the Russians are out to help Trump!

    ‘Moscow prostitutes’….as above…and again nothing new and explosive here. Just tripe and bad journalism….note the failure to mention Trump actually asked Comey to investigate the claims in the dossier which might suggest innocence…instead all we get is a snide put down suggesting guilt….‘Mr Comey said in the interview: “He interrupted very defensively and started talking about it, you know, ‘Do I look like a guy who needs hookers?’

    And finally the best was saved till last..the most explosive, the newest, the most devastating indictment of Trump…’Trump’s hair and hands’…yep…hold the fucking front page. Trump has a suntan, blond hair and apparently completely normal sized hands.

    Antony Zurcher, the BBC’s finest, must be drunk or on drugs to put this crap on his CV as an example of his most brilliant and insightful work. The BBC editor who put it on the frontpage of the website shoud be sent to the Falklands to report on penguins….no, maybe not, he’d put them on the frontpage too.

    We pay, are forced to pay, for this tosh? Sack em all.


  44. pugnazious says:

    Vauxhall is reconfiguring its dealer network and the Telegraph reports that they say ‘The move is not related to the UK’s decision to quit the EU, the car boss said, adding it was “something that would happen with or without Brexit”.

    The BBC oddly don’t mention that interesting sentence in their report…..no mention of Brexit at all….you can guarantee they would make it headline news if Vauxhall said it was to do with Brexit.


  45. theisland says:

    Allow Brittany Pettibone, Lauren Southern, and Martin Sellner entry to the UK
    Over 10K signatures. The Home Office has ‘responded’ with disgusting, patronising claptrap as usual.
    Vague and ‘qualified’ legislation wrongly applied.


  46. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch – boring version.
    20 and 30 year olds will not own homes. No discussion why.

    Market forces – Population increase as a result of two brands of government letting millions of people in. 500000 a year at least.

    Al Beeb evidences pro. Immigration bias

    Dead 18 old in forest gate – not far from me again. Think they need more amnesty boxes again . And more ‘don’t do it ‘ stickers.


  47. vlad says:

    If Russia / Syria are allowing inspectors in, it means either they’ve cleaned up all the evidence or the chemical attacks never happened. Either way, much egg over May et al, and Corbyn will exploit it to the max.

    The beeb are now sounding less gung-ho and more cautious in their reports, qualifying the ‘chemical attacks’ with speech marks and words like alleged, suspected, reported.



    • AsISeeIt says:

      ‘The beeb are now sounding less gung-ho and more cautious in their reports’

      This was enimently predictable. Military entanglement is clearly a trap into which our liberal media love to see governments fall.

      One moment on your tv and radio it was all righteous outrage and repeated supposed atrocities about which something simply must be done – the next it is pacifist demonstrations.


  48. Oaknash says:

    Toady this morning seems very busy weaponising the Windrush Generation “migration “scandal”
    Yesterday we had to listen to “Mastermind” and race hustler extraordinaire Lammy puffed up with indignation at the scandal of it all. I suppose today we may well have to suffer the likes of Fatbot or similar also playing the victim hood card again.
    Whilst I have some sympathy for these people (since they all pretty much worked hard and payed their way). I think as Lobster said yesterday why did they not apply for residency/citizenship at the time?. You would have thought that if they had made the big step of moving here then they should at least legitimise their presence. surely they must bear a little of the blame for what appears to be a cock up rather than a conspiracy.

    Still these days personal responsibility is a of the past and everyone (who wants to be) is a victim

    I think the real reason for the outrage on this subject, is so that the left can point the blame finger again at us whiteys for all being waycists then used the momentum of this whole scandal to further weaken any controls about who and who cannot live here

    I suppose this we should not be surprised – as the BBC is always happy to create an agenda which is to the detriment of our society and way of life. Its what it does best.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Yes I m with you on this. It has overshadowed any conversation about the Enoch Powell speech. There is such a thing as personal responsisibility as opposed to expecting nanny state to do every for you. Whether. You are black or not.

      Diff subject – I see soros and co are continuing to drip feed anti Brexit propaganda. Today the improbably named. Britney Tizer. [porn. Actress] explained in detail what Cambridge. Analytics could have done but didn’t for Brexit campaigns.

      Desperately search for another reason for a second third and fourth. Referendum. …


    • BRISSLES says:

      A ridiculous question asked by a numbnut at Sky, was ‘why hasn’t the Government had a handle on this before now?’ – and quite rightly, as the hapless victim answered, ‘because at the time of their arrival back in the early 50’s, procedures to collate the data was not a possibility due to the numbers arriving, it was felt more important to house and feed them instead of taking responsibility to ensure they had the correct documentation for future occasions – something they should have done themselves’.
      As for the bloke who is being asked for £54,000 for medical treatment, then all I can say he must have had a health free life for the past 60 years ! good on ‘im, and most unusual never to have needed a doctor or a hospital appointment !!!!!

      Oh dear, now they’re all in line for ‘compensayshun’ – they’ll certainly need hospital treatment when they get crushed in the rush !


  49. AsISeeIt says:

    Apropos the BBC news this morning.

    It’s a relatively recently adopted view on the left of British politics that the world and his wife should be entitled, if they wish, to come and live on these crowded islands of ours.

    Economic advantages have been suggested in support of mass immigration but such justification is dubious – particularly for the traditional supporters of the left – those who are lower paid and having to compete on wages and for hard-pressed social provision such as housing, education and healthcare.

    Indeed it would seem to be that the left’s newfound adherence to the goal of open borders is more a cultural shibboleth than a sectionally advantageous political goal. One only has to read opinion polls on the subject to realise that mass immigration is not in itself a vote winner.

    As well as being favoured by a minority on the political left for cultural reasons relaxed immigration rules are favoured by larger corporate employers who favour a low-pay economy. Colusion with the state is very important for the larger capitalist entities. Remember that wages are already heavily subsidised at the lower end of pay scales by the state picking up all those external costs of living such as housing, healthcare etc.

    The conclusion seems to be that the rich capitalists and the dilettante cultural left are respectively the main beneficiaries and main proponents of mass immigration.

    So, take your pick, as to why it is that our national broadcaster is so keen?


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