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I see the ghastly Trump Moscow bed-wetting story has raised its ugly head again thanks to James Comey having a new book to flog. Your correspondent has mentioned this allegation in passing in the past but didn’t feel able to give full chapter and verse since this is a family blog. But good taste is sadly missing from the former head of the FBI and his tittle-tattling friends. Needless to say it has not stopped Simples Sopel relaying the story second hand and stinking up the airways with yet another Democrat dirty trick. Of course the entire Russians wot won it story, to which Simples has devoted over a year of his reporting life, has finally lost any traction, not least with Trump throwing a few missiles at Russian client state and fellow poisoner Syria. The BBC and the American media know the gig is up and have tried to push Stormy Daniels of late but Trump might have bonked porn hooker is just not a starter. In the end it makes the messenger look even more disreputable than the story itself.
So “Simples” Sopel now tries his hand at “Seedy” Sopel.
They`re truly obsessed with Trump aren`t they? For all their contempt, scorn and endless recycling of bilious and defamatory comments-all “quotes” or “some people say” , naturally-I can only assume that they only feel any adrenaline, any life-or any Twitter Trending pulse-whenever Trump is made into the story.
This is the Fake News Churnalism 24/7-and all intended to chisel him out of office using all unelected offices that they own. They`ll not be asking us again will they?
Only hope the British people realise that the Deep Swamp is now for them to clear out, before their futures go down in the unelected quagmires, gin traps and set ups that only money and media presence can buy.
The vote was to take back control. We need to get their cold dead hands off all state agencies that dare to thwart our will. The likes of Adonis and Hall still sleep easily in their beds with no threats of a show trial, still free to muse around Mayfair. Until they`re not-sense we`ll not have the necessary control required after 45 years of catastrophic cringing.
Holly
I think that’s the real remainer fear – that leaving is only the first step. All depends on getting a conservative Government one day.
Current events have taken the heat of of Corbyn and his comrades anti – Jewish comments
Cartoon + News summary on events in Syria:
I am analysing some of the BBC website output and there is plenty of evidence of BBC promoting the strikes and requesting further strikes. It has been interesting how they have marginalised Jeremy Corbyn over this matter, using at least two techniques. They have also been saying it would be a mistake for Donald Trump to walk away now – because the “job isn’t done” and Assad still has capability to gas his civilians. All very interesting and unfortunately predictable.
If you have spotted things similar to this (or not as the case may be), I would be grateful if you were able to detail it here in this thread with a brief description. For example I haven’t been listening to BBC radio nor BBC television broadcasts – so information from those sources would be useful. I have already seen someone posting something of this nature in an earlier comment.
Trump ought to know that if the fake new emporia, and their political trolls like Macron think it a good idea to bomb Syria-then it won`t be. Big mistake from Trump to back it, and it`s Russia who will come out on the right side. And-I hate to say this- Corbyn and Labour will soon reap big rewards for this,the BBC will add fuel to the falmes egging Trump on. And then will stage arrange the weeping over the fake set up photos of Al Nusra, Al Queda-and bring IS back from the dead too.
Ah well-lose Bannon and Gorka, this is what you get.
Catastrophic. But no TV so, what would I know?
The RAF bomb a chemical plant 15 miles west of the city of Homs. A massive cloud of Sarin is produced. This wafts 15 miles to the east to kill 200,000 people in Homs, or wafts 15 miles west to kill 18,500 people in Talkalakh, or wafts north to kill 315,000 people in Hamah, or wafts south to kill 25,250 people in Hermel in the Lebanon. But don’t worry, the RAF would not have bombed the site if they though it had any chemical weapons. In fact if you look at the map you will find that the site is one of the nearest, easiest, safest targets for the RAF to bomb. Fly due east from RAF Akroteri, fly 30 miles due east through northern Lebanon, nip over five miles into Syria and back, return the way you came.
Richard ,
I get the feeling once President Trump decided something had to be done they decided on the minimum so as not to pee anyone important off – like Obama . Good practice for a real one . There is no mInstream coherent discussion of this – from what I see so in this case this site fills the hole I perceive from my armchair .
The RAF used Storm Shadow cruise missiles. They could have taken off from Arkratiri flown 10 miles and released the missiles. They have a range of several hundred miles. I very much doubt they even entered Syrian airspace
I’m sure they won’t have. The Russians have some fairly potent missiles for air defence in Syria.
They have developed a torpedo which can travel at 200 mph, that could be problematic for a US carrier group in the Med should war break out between the two in Syria.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-has-super-torpedo-kills-submarines-200-miles-per-hour-18917
What Winnie Main Dealer meant to me.
South Africans speak of her legacy.
Only black South Africans are interviewed. And they all loved her. Anti Apartheid campaigner, feminist, liberator, and so on.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-43755348
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-43755348
Seems Naomi Brains Trust was on hand to eulogise too.
Bit of a stormer here. A racist attack, on the London Underground, by 2 black women on a Spanish Woman. Mind you, you have to get halfway down the article to find this. Are you still allowed to call someone ‘ black’ by the way?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43766985
No. African-British. Till next week when they find some new pc name.
Salt, sweet or toffee?
Yet more rumbles in paradise.
Hello Guest Who, I had seen this story headlined on the BBC webpages but didn’t look into it because I thought it was probably innocuous. However, thanks to you for flagging this up here, I have now looked into it and screen-saved every line of text for my records. This provides further documentary proof of how the BBC operates. Both in North Korea and in Syria (and presumably in other locations) the BBC produce propaganda for western military intervention, scorched earth policies and regime change. And this propaganda is all paid for by British Taxpayers.
For my sins I have been regularly visiting the BBC website for just over a year now and have collected enough data to demonstrate just exactly what type of organisation it is – in terms of its web output. It includes for example support for Genocide if the Genocide is a means of expanding Islam. It has been quite an eye opener. It was really this site and its community (including you and others) that inspired me to carry out this study.
It will probably take me a few years to write it up into a book – if I get round to it.
I try to read across a broad spectrum of opinion; ‘fact’ these days is but a daft claim from those like the bbc who dress it up with even dafter ‘checker’ pretensions backed by their fond memories of being trusted.
Of course there are the extremes and loons, but often I find the glimmer of something at least worth checking upon further.
It is also interesting to ponder what goes on in the head of the average beeboid when fondly held shared values by traditional BFFs go off piste.
For me, one of the most import aspects of society is free speech. I am concerned with what I see as mechanisms for closing down free speech in Britain and elsewhere – for example the term Islamophobia has become a mechanism for closing down free speech …
Sometimes I will try to get “in the head of someone” to try to work out how their worldview is constructed and how that worldview causes them to act. I will tend to listen to anyone, voicing completely opposite opinion, to try to better understand that opinion and try to understand what causes them to have that opinion. This is ultimately psychology and sociology. But in all of that it is important to be able to distinguish between “fact” , “perception”, “misperception”, “falsity”.
My background is in science – and in science we tend to try to understand the behaviour of inert bits of matter in terms of mass, charge, force and energy. With biological entities and humans especially, things are far far more complex. But I have learnt that understanding “humans” is critical to understanding our present circumstance and future. So I am now investing more of my time in better understanding humans, society, institutions in society, history, culture.
My gut feeling is that I have to try to ween myself off looking at the media (and BBC) and begin to focus on governance, parliament, politicians, creation and interpretation of law and the like. But I realise this task is likely too big for one person (and me). Hopefully in the medium future I will begin to try to write magazine / journal essays and small books to express my view and approach to analysing things – probably starting off with “communication and language”.
Only just catching up on biasedbbc so hope you read this ! Just an idea – publish readable short extracts on a blogsite to begin with . That way people may get to read it who would not read a book and the material will be clearly recorded for when you eventually get round to putting it into a book. It would even be helpful to publish relevant articles relating to the BBC here or links to the blogsite where the article can be found.. .
Has anybody read about the Swiss laboratory report which stated that the agent (allegedly) used on the Skripals was BZ, not Novichok? And BZ is a western “incapaciting agent……” This laboratory is used by the OPCW and world-renowned as an independent laboratory……. I’ve not seen this on MSM…… https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-14/independent-swiss-lab-says-bz-toxin-used-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not
I’m sure it’ll be on al Beebus news tonight.
No, I had not. Thanks for the link, joe. Interesting. How reliable is that source in your view?
I’d like to know if they found any traces of cannabis or cocaine in the blood of the Skripals. No questions from the BBC on that yet they will happily trot out statistics at other times that show that a significant proportion of the UK adult population use ‘recreational’ drugs. These can include or incorporate fentanyls or ketamine.
The public release from the OPCW said nothing about a ‘Novichok’ but rather that the chemical was ‘Soviet era’ and ‘very pure’. Those are about the only facts that we can rely on.
The ball is now in Putin’s court: he will have had access to the full report. The BBC will probably not ask about that either, probably because they have not realised or have forgotten already and are much more concerned with the late Enoch Powell MP and one of his speeches.
Useless BBC.
Joeadamsmith
Zerohedge states ” RT reports that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said citing the resultds of.. Swiss chemical lab..”
X says that y said that z – so what?
Name of lab? Actual citation from report?
Only checked because I had a premonition that RT would be the source.
A statement from the Labor Spiez website
Novitschok in Salisbury
In der Krise um den Giftanschlag von Salisbury greift Moskau die Glaubwürdigkeit des britischen Befunds an. Der Fachbereich Chemie des Labor Spiez hat jedoch keine Zweifel daran, dass die Briten den eingesetzten Kampfstoff richtig identifizierten und es sich um den Nervenkampfstoff Nowitschok handelt.
Bericht vom 5. April in der “Neuen Zürcher Zeitung”:
Complete refutation of RT bilge
Spot the exemption.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/sir_cliff_richard
I wonder how much Dan Johnson backhanded South Yorkshire’s Finest to obtain the scoop?
One reason Al Beed supports this : a certain element within our society who have immigarated here and hold British passports have been having collections in each shop along the road and distributing leaflets in the street about Syria for a few years in Bury Park, Luton
The Enoch Powell show on al beeb tonight is like an a level grade d essay by the albeeb favourite amol nitrate. The denial of the white working class view about hundreds of thousands of sons and daughters of the Ruling classes’ Empire and granting residence without proper consultation .
There are plenty of snow flakes putting their oar in saying “what a terrible thing “ and this was 5 years before we joined the insane Reich EU. History will fry Heath. Powell was right and truly more farsighted than he would ever know .
And al beeb suppressed this for over 40 years .
Why is Ian McDairmid making Enoch Powell sound like a South African?
Probably so that Peter Hain feels at home
To make him sound more reecist?
Indeed CranbrookPhil
Sorry, I can’t bear to listen to Radio 4 (the usual 5 minutes was enough).
Listen to the real thing (courtesy of a link in the Breitbart comments)
https://archive.org/details/EnochPowellRiversOfBloodSpeech
Over to Dad’s Army.
I can only suppose Cranbrook, because Siff Iffricans were sometimes real racists i.e. treated a sector of society as if they were less than human, that is the definition of racism by the way not, as the BBC et al would have you think, criticising a culture who refuse to integrate in the country they have decided to travel to and live in and claim a British passport and assume our nationality then believe that they can impose their own intolerances, tribalsim and hate upon our society. Those that decide to gang up and shout abuse at Christian preachers at Speakers Corner and occupy the area with prayer mats despite numerous mosques available.
Interesting that Mr Powell used the same technique “ I’ve had a letter from Gladys of wolves “ in the same way that comrade Corbyn does at PMQ which makes the house snigger.
Strange being considered as extreme right for believing in what a democratically elected senior politician says .
What an education that Powell show was!
A case study in mirror images,projections, false flags, sneering at the populists, retrospective slants-and all done in a Jewish South African accent by a poor actor-where`s Mike Yarwood these days?
Still though-if anybody wants to do exploratory surgery into the media cancer rotting the liberal brain( no spine, no guts)-this is a great listen.
Even though we were told not to be impudent to quibble whether it was racist or racialist.
The Beeb “Final Verdict” was given, all back to the cotton fields now.
My highlight-when Matthew Parris said Powell was stupid, that Powell seems to have brought his kind out in splenetic impotence shows me Powell was “something else”. To quote Eddie Cochrane whose death in 1960 happened on April 17th.
Seems that the BBC are both impertinent and impudent…and don`t split the difference eh?
No Trevor Phillips-but Gina Millar instead. Nuff sed!
PS. And Rajah said nobody walked out.
But plenty clapped and laughed, sighed and roared-but that somehow failed to make the cut.
Trust the BBC to leave this out.
Let`s hope they`ll follow up with his anti-Common Market Speech-any one of them will do.
They`re even better to wind up the BBC!
Someone at the BBC has a sense of humour. The hatchet job on Powell was followed by part 2 of Ibsen’s Enemy of the People – a play about a man determined to tell the truth no matter what the personal cost.
RJ
Hell I missed that as I needed to recover my sanity by watching my taped edition of Dads Army . Made not long after Mr Powells’ speech…
This latest lot are a completely different kettle of fish from the Windriush generation as any walk through one of their ghettos will reveal and their continual attacks on our culture and the national platform they are given to continually whinge and whine about the country that has taken them in is genuinely disturbing. Many say there are moderate muslims, maybe there are but, I would posit, that in a different scenario, if ISIS were at Calais and we were outgunned and ripe for invasion, how many moderate mulsims holding British passports would there be then ? how many would be willing to fight for the country that looked after them, took in their asylum seekers ?
I listened out of duty. Amyl ended by stating that the Enoch Powell speech was both racist and racialist . Good of him to be objective in al beeb terms .
I think he just got his first gong – OBE and high on the short list for when Humph can’t get up in the morning and joins the Nocktee Retirement Home for rich beeboids .
I thought the high point was when a certain queer ex Tory mp did his characteristic sneer by claiming that the working class saw Powell as clever because of classical references when in his opinion Mr Powell wasn’t that clever . So if I thought Enoch Powell was clever then I’m thick .
Fedup- I was wondering why on earth the BBC would bother with this, especially as we knew what the punchline would be, but you have enlightened me.
The puzzle is resolved when you realise the BBC is not only a collective, but rather – in this case – an individual, trying desperately (and selfishly?) to ‘go for a gong’.
Footnote: I seem to recall that it was not that Powell ‘wasn’t that clever’, but rather that it was stated explicitly that he was a ‘stupid’ man?
Fake
I have difficulty too as to why al beeb would put any further public attention onto an event from 1968? I think it was Amyls idea and no none of the ( white ) hierarchy had the sense to say “ you’re joking right?” .
Or if you are Machiavellian you put that programme on to test the public response . Especially is you “host” it with a son of the empire from Tooting via South Asia . Does well keeping the “ keep it real” sarth london accent .
Two things make the ‘Powell Speech’ on R4 memorable, but in no way unexpected. First the degree of pantomime villainy Ian McDairmid’s acting skills managed to impart to Enoch’s words throughout his performance.
And second the level of conceit that only the waspish failure that is Matthew Paris could imply in his assessment of a man as ‘stupid’ , who spoke 14 languages, was the youngest ever professor of classics and a brigadier, having enlisted in the army as a private.
Fedup2 and Beltane – I was about to make more or less some of the same points but you have beaten me to it. I always find Powell’s speeches eloquent but not always simple – you have to listen very carefully to often some very long sentences. The general point that was trying to be made in this programme that Powell’s speech was emotional and monosyllabic and full of rhetorical tricks designed to appeal to the stupid white working class did not convince me.
I thimk Powells mistake was that he proposed that we should be frightened of others coming into our coutry with black faces, this is a natural thing and not a bad thing (its called tribalism not racism), how many times have I heard ” they are really nice but I was frightened at first” just like his constituents letter, once you actually engage with someone and talk mostly there is no problem. The problem we have now is a certain minority that want to live here and refuse to accept our culture of tolerance for homosexuals, Jews, women to dress as they choose, or foreign policy, and use our laws to protect themselves from prosecution of their own intolerances against other minorites and the real problem, like with travellers, is once they get “protected status” they can run riot, so again, the problem is why is there legislation protecting those who despise our culture and religion, and make no mistake the minority I allude to do so in no uncertain terms ?
Do you want to spend your life living in a tent at the French/Italian border helping migrants travelling through ?
I just got an email
You have a truck ? I could put that to good use, back to where you came from and fight for your country rather than run away and take advantage of a more tolerant country to promote your own political agenda with no respect for the county that houses and protects you
Good for Paedos eh?
A typical example ?
Conservative Police and Crime Commissioner tried to block a sex license for a gay sauna – because it’s too close to a local mosque.
Greenhouse Health Club, which has operated in Luton for nearly two decades, had been seeking a license that would allow it to sell sex toys and show adult films.
However, the owners have now withdrawn the application, after encountering strong resistance from local residents and the newly-elected Police and Crime Commissioner.
Bedfordshire PCC Kathryn Holloway, a former TV presenter who has no first-hand experience of policing, told Luton Today that the license was inappropriate because the venue was too close to a local mosque – a five minute walk away.
She warned that granting the license would cause “widespread offence and very deep concern”, and that if it was granted “a number of potential policing issues may arise” due to a “very significant Luton mosque” based five minutes away.
Ms Holloway warned: “Luton Borough Council is usually particularly aware of matters of cultural sensitivity.I trust therefore that you will fully understand that, given the large and devout Muslim population in this area of the borough, there is naturally a high level of religious and cultural opposition to such a business among these residents which needs to be respected, in my view.”
Despite the intervention of the commissioner in her own capacity, a separate submission from the city’s police force had confirmed: “The Police have no concerns relating to the Greenhouse Sex Establishment application.
“We anticipate that they will continue to operate in a professional manner and liaise with the police and other responsible authorities required, as they have in previous years.”
But following the campaign against it – with hundreds of local residents filing coordinated objections to the license – the sauna decided to withdraw the license application.
The owners say they were barraged with homophobic abuse due to the campaign, with some comparing homosexuality to a “brain disease” while others claim it is a “risk to children”.
B
I wonder how far from a mosque a gay sauna needs to be? What about the gay Muslims who want to use the sauna and then the mosque or visa Versa ? Is it a his and hers gay sauna? An issue of inclusion if ever there was one . Got the makings of a great al beeb comedy .
“I wonder how far from a mosque a gay sauna needs to be?”
6,526 miles. That’s assuming the mosque is located in Riyadh and the sauna is in New York, which some would argue are more appropriate locations for these type of places.
I would fully expect the BBC to highlight homophobia at every opportunity as they seem to promote gay rights endlessy even when they are just diving into a swimming pool it seeems to occupy half or their reporting at least, so, where is the “outrage” about this ???
Homophobia, antisemitism, genital mutilation, arrranged marriages, organised rape of 12 year old girls (kaffirs i.e. non mulsims), taking over Speakers corner with prayer mats against Hyde park regulations and screaming abuse at Christian preachers, are they not a wonderful addition to our country and does not our national broadcaster have the obligation to ask questions about this ? tumbleweed moment they have found a muslim rape victim in India…….
Recent TV – for obvious Licence reasons I will not watch it – but my eye was caught by the image on the web-site for the following from: 11 April BBC 4 – Bacchus Uncovered: Ancient God of Ecstasy.
“Professor Bettany Hughes investigates the story of Bacchus, god of wine, revelry, theatre and excess”
“In this fascinating journey, Bettany begins in Georgia – – – . On Cyprus she uncovers startling parallels between Bacchus and Christ.”
Hmmnnn, I can guess where Bettany is going to go with that. Another reason to be glad to avoid the BBC, BBC TV & the Licence Fee.
Bet Hughes – the younger version of Mary beard – lesbian this and lesbian that – the epitomy of the girlie intellectual for albeeb . I tried watching some of her bbc4 stuff but found myself hitting the off switch .
Water into wine,another attack on Christainity I suppose, how it will shoten your life is the latest fom them, no mention of the muslim rape gangs use of alcohol (blue nun and cheap vodka BTW in Oxford)
How come al Beebus got an actor who made Enoch Powell sound like Harry H. Corbett?
I half expected him to say “You deerty old maahn!” any minute.
Al, I didn’t listen but caught the last three minutes of Amol Rajan’s summing up as I wanted to listen to the 9pm R4 news.
What puzzles me is that I almost didn’t recognise Amol because his Gary Bellamy voice (which I love and think is great for the BBC) had gone to be replaced with a Sarf Lunnun/New Labour Glottal Stop mix as he told me his parents came here in 1986 and settled in Tooting. 1986?
1986. Why are you so exercised about a speech in 1968, Amol?
Heard the Enoch Powell thing on Radio 4-well, a few minutes. Soon as you know where it`s going, no need to longer.
Bit I heard was where the dockers and meat market blokes spontaneously walked out of work and down Whitehall. Now THAT is where the cat met the pigeons, the elite-especially Labour and the BBC back then,certainly the Eurotories like Prior and Heath-would have been enraged that the serfs weren`t on board. After all, he white piccaninniies are LABOUR fodder.
And Powell stepped right onto their croquet lawns with muddy boots.
Much like the NHS today, where only Labour get to say what `s wrong and what`s needed. Anything else is succouring the enemy.
Looked at the contributors-was it 9 for Rajah, one hamstrung one for Powell with one neutral?
With plenty kidney punches to the dead man by the fearless Parris.
Not much of a tag match was it? Still, if it takes 10 people to assail Enoch, it only shows how potent he is. And we should use this, lefty kryptonite and Roundup rolled into an aerosol.
Alicia:
I think it was at the point where the white working class openly supported Enoch Powell that the Labour elite decided that they had to be replaced with a new, more reliable voting bloc. And so it came to pass.
Racism, homophopia is not right and the BBC is quite right in pointing that out, but they do pick and choose, two things for a start : who are the victims of racism : and inevitably they report muslims, when, in fact there are no right wing people in this country attacking Jews (if there were it would be on the front page) , why would they ? but there are one group of immigrants in this country that absolutely hate Jews guess who ? and homophobic attacks on the increase, guess who ?
But the interesting thing is it is always minorities or women they will attack, which is why they have run away from their own country because they have not the guts or courage to fight for their country, and why they will hide behind racism laws to continue their bullying, (when they are 5 against one at least) and their rape of children and oppression as long as we allow it
The BBC is reporting this without a sense of outrage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43766959
2 rugby players cleared of rape have been forced out of their professions and playing for their country by sponsors reacting to a mob.
There seems to be no acknowledgement from any of the mob that the jury heard the evidence and acquitted the men in just a few hours. In fact, I doubt that evidence or facts have any bearing on the mob.
But the good news is that we no longer need to try anyone for a crime. We don’t need police to investigate a case, lawyers to marshal the evidence nor a judge and jury to arbitrate. All we need to do is get a mob of angry women together and ask them.
The news story about DOJ report saying McCabe lied is well buried (not linked to on news indexes, or US/Canada page, nor politics page…. just once tweeted by BBC America)
yet a story headed “New UKIP leader announces plans to quit”
is rather prominent
..only thing is he’s the interim leader extending his job and says he will stand down in 12 months so that there can be a proper leadership election.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43769408
Quebec trial : The killer of 6, said he was off work for mental illness
and he saw Trudeau’s tweet inviting Muslims to come to Canada, in the light of Trump’s travel ban ..this filled him with fear of terrorism, so he went and shot up the Mosque ..killing 6 and injuring 5.
..How Fked up is that ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43759003
The slippery slope Fallacy
You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen.
ie as used by the peacenik MP’s on Any Questions on Friday night
“oh if Trump does something ..that’s war, that’s nuclear war”
Doh Turkey had already shot down a Russian jet
and Israel had already bombed an Iranian drone base.
..ie if a nation transgresses rules, you are allowed to retaliate and it DOES NOT mean it automatically turns to war.
The peacenik MPs Caroline Lucas etc., joined by a weak Peter Hitchins
said on the show ..”Yes of course nothing will happen until parliament gets back and we have a debate”
A few hours later and They were made to look like idiots
.. when Trump followed through and did what he said he would do.
All their dramaqueening about “we need a parliamentary debate”
FFS a football club board appoint a manager and let him get on with the job,
… They don’t micromanage by having a meeting before every game, cos they don’t know the day to day running of the managers plans
..Likewise these MP’s like Caroline Lucas don’t know much about the military situation.
“MP’s like Caroline Lucas don’t know much about the military situation.”
I think you overpraised her, I think you could have said:- “MP’s like Caroline Lucas don’t know much about anything, particularly facts.”
The slippery slope argument is not a fallacy. It is a variant of a sorites argument which, admittedly is often misused. For example you cannot predict anything you like from an initial state. But very often if an opponent is introducing something rather mild, but you have evidence that he/she is planning a further stage which is stronger, then it is OK to use the slope argument.
As a sorites argument it has a use when arguing with loose concepts, such as introducing a right to choose, when the scope of choice is loosely understood.
If I knew what Trump or his advisers had in mind as an end or final stage I would be entitled to employ the slope argument. But I don’t know. However, this leaves me with the ability to draw on history for a plausible prediction.
Oo, errr, Mrs….Slope? Talk like that got Jeremy Clarkson the sack!
Lol..
Dysgwr_Cymraeg
I think she is more of a pixie
Oo, errr, Mrs….Slope? Talk like that got Jeremy Clarkson the sack!
Lol..
An accurate portrayal.
Non-fallacious usage
\\ Logic and critical thinking textbooks typically discuss slippery slope arguments as a form of fallacy but usually acknowledge that “slippery slope arguments can be good ones if the slope is real—that is, if there is good evidence that the consequences of the initial action are highly likely to occur. The strength of the argument depends on two factors. The first is the strength of each link in the causal chain; the argument cannot be stronger than its weakest link. The second is the number of links; the more links there are, the more likely it is that other factors could alter the consequences.//
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#Non-fallacious_usage
Whilst 12 year old white girls were beng gang raped by fat pakis then tied to a bed and whipped, the employees of the BBC should be jailed alongside the police and schools and social sevices who all knew about these fucking packi bastards gang raping children yet chose to film Cliff Richards house being raided despite the fact he was never charged or arrested for any crime,tell that to the girls whos lives and bodies have been absolutely riuned by paki rapists I am sure they will understand the BBCs decision about what is in the “public interest” that should take priority in reporting.
Russia is 142nd out of 180 nations for freedom of the press…. so whatever they tell us is suspect, they said they shot down some of the missiles and now, I’m hearing they are talking about supplying the Syrians with a better defence system. That said “The Moscow Times” and “Meduza” are good websites for news, “Meduza” is Russian news but is actually run from one of the Baltic countries I believe.
Every one should complain otherwise we just sit and rant, which is fun with a bit of imagination but, anyway just fired another official complaint off to Al Beeb see what they come back with….. A news story about a muslim rape victim, in India, The only time the word “muslim” is used is in a victim status, In England there have been many instances of organised child abuse by a particular sector of our society (muslims) that has been largely ignored by the very oranisations that are there for the protection of children. To my mind that is firmly in the public interest and so should be at the forefront of your concentration. But it is completely ignored by you apart from the sentencing which very quickly disappears from your headlines, although we are reminded time and time again lest we forget” about muslim women not being elected as councillors. Just to let you know, there are at least 90% orf people in this coutry that are not muslims and are disgusted by the rape scandeL12 year old girls gang raped ny muslims, then tied up and whipped while being racially abused. This is of no interest to you ?
I so so hope Beep challenge me on this they will be fucked bang to rights, shit journalists never noticed an autobiography by a white 13 year old girl regulary taken out of school middle of the day to be gang raped by pakis and the school did nothing ???
Someone accused of sexism; Rohingha Muslims; a group wants to overturn Brexit.
Classic headlines from the Groundhog Broadcasting Corporation.
Dear BBC, How would you feel if if a gang of pakis sexually abuse one of your black news readers llittle daughters then tie her up and all call her a black liittle shit because she is black .? well that is what is happening on our streets and you bloody well know it as well, but not in your litle enclave of Islingotn or anywhere that f9cking Blaair lives, the problem is these riuned lives and ruined bodies are white working class so easy meat because they are not educated like you, but, you f9cking wait when they start to rise……and they will, Hyde park 6 May,
and for those that wnat to turn up to attack free speech with their faces hidden behind balaclavas and scarves ? why hide ? you already know you are a cMnt thats why you hide, just like the arabs they will never stand up for themselves unless they outnumber…..bullying cowards and scum prey on children and, lets think. this is not your country why have you bowed and scraped for a British passpert ? oh. I get it you were too much of a coward to fight for your own country so run away somewhere easy for you. well done
Sweden. What problem?
Coming to UK soon, courtesy of the beeb.
http://barenakedislam.com/2018/04/14/swedens-huge-shortage-of-teachers-students-are-paying-the-price-for-their-parents-open-door-muslim-immigration-policies/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic,
In Blackpool last night, a car ploughs at speed into pedestrians, injuring many. A man from West Yorkshire is arrested. BBC? Tumbleweed.
Is this the one ‘reported’, in classic style, by itv?
No, Guest Who. That is not the Blackpool incident.
So… pedestrians ‘colliding’ with cars North and South?
Sounds dangerous.
Oh dear, I missed your point on first reading!
😉
In the spirit of known knowns, this is what I have seen so far:
Martin W
A re-run of the Wars Of The Roses here.
Let`s hope Amber Rudd is ready to don her doublet and hose to sort this ine. Which seemed to have been settled until the Brexit vote I suppose.
The radio alarm came on at 0730 and we were ‘treated’ to ‘Sunday’, the BBC R4 supposedly religious version of Today but on the day of rest.
The running order for this ‘religious’ programme was as follows.
1. The first mosque being built in the Hebrides. Demand for this has increased with the arrival of two refugee families.
2. An article about living with. Multiple Sclerosis. The reporter, Caroline Wyatt, has contracted the dreadful disease. Her choice of interviewee was……..a Muslim lady.
3. Discussion with a nurse who having witnessed a traumatic event in hospital decided to become a Buddhist.
4. An article about an imminent Sikh festival. We are told thatbyoung sikhs are more radical and eant the festival to be increasingly religious and less in the cultural context of the UK.
5. The allied bombings in Syria. We speak to Mohammed. Then we speak to an angry Syrian radical who amazingly is a Church of England minister. No religious content however, just an angry pacifist polemic.
Thus absolutely no actual Christian content whatever.
The BBC. A christian and anglo saxon free zone. On a Sunday. And every other day of the week.
PS the producer’s name was Gupta.
“1. The first mosque being built in the Hebrides. Demand for this has increased with the arrival of two refugee families.”
Wasn’t there a film about baseball with the line “Build it and they will come”? The Hebrides are about to prove the point.
And what followed-the Sunday Act Of Worship Servie thingy-was even LESS Christian.
Unbelievable-one of John Bells Iona hymns had some line about “Gods bias”. Presumably towards Jews and such.
The church will say nothing, still building rafts from recycled plastic water bottles for IS fighters to get back to Britain.
Anyway Christy is cool with it, and that bloody book he used to be in makes good spliff paper.
In my opinion WE take the BBC too seriously. One should just
laugh at them. Watching TV or listening on the radio should
be a pleasure and be informative. But because of a number
of different reasons .IE the BBC’S obsession with diversity ,
positive discrimination, political correctness , it is no
pleasure. So what I do is laugh at them.
The continuity announcers almost talking in Patois. At times
the TV looking like it is Islamabad TV. Covering sporting events
that hardly anybody is interested in ,except those taking part in
it.Showing us people cooking for hours on end. Others selling
items at auctions for a fiver or less !
Just laugh at these Socialist Workers, editors, Fifth Columnist,
Trotskyist, editors , sub editors, researchers . Who get their
newsreaders to parrot their opinions.
There are so many more worthwhile, and amusing things to laugh at, I’m afraid the BBC doesn’t get a look in, here. It’s not funny, nor is it clever, informative or accurate, and therefore of no value.
Al Beeb does not do comedy.
It has become a farce, an expensive farce at that.
Anna Soubry and Chukkah Ummuna are having rallies today to show that people are really against Brexit, the news on Paddy’s little programme, BH, tells us. They should’ve stayed in bed.
Tom Shakespeare gives us ‘A point of View’ , starting off with the question ‘Is Trump mad?’ He then goes on to tell us he doesn’t believe we should use mental illness metaphors, but not before asking whether ‘Brexit is insane’. We know what you’re doing, Tom!
And by the way, if you want to listen to Anna ‘action’ Soubry, she’s on right now on Paddy’s programme. I wonder what Tom Shakespeare would make of her? She thought Trump’s tweets were ‘appaling’ , and the situation in Syria is ‘appaling’. Since that’s not a mental health metaphor, would Tom S let us call Anna S. (Remainer in Chief) appaling?
Andrew Marr Show is interviewing actor Patrick Stewart who is campaigning for “Peoples Vote” to get a 2nd referendum.
He said “we respect the Brexit vote and we are not asking for a 2nd referendum but since 2016 the terms of us leaving are far worse than they said so we would like a say to reject the deal”.
Far worse?!? David Cameron promised us WW3, fire and brimstone and 500% of the population employed!
Typical BBC. Could have interviewed anyone in the world but they go for yet another Ivory Tower Dwelling Leftie Luvvie actor that thinks being a household name makes their opinion the correct opinion.
Did he fly over special? Did the bbc invite him? And pay?
Guest
Perhaps he beamed down from The Enterprise!
Back to reality and on Planet Earth, Lord Nelson, The Duke of Wellington, Winston Churchill and even Anthony Wedgwood Benn would have got us out.
Lobby I suspect, in this case, it was more likely from the NSEA Protector…
Perhaps he’s trying to Klingon to his EU dream …..
(I’ll get me coat …….)
Tabs
I thought these people were all against referenda as the preferred method of all populists, despots and demagogues to gain power. “We are a.representative parliament and parliament should have the final say” . Yet Parliament does want to take back the sovreignty it gave away willy nilly to Brussels and a “new political party” is demanding a second referendum that is not really a second referendum on the basis of an opinion poll – the ultimate expression of Democracy.
Farcical.
The BBC’s latest impartial special guest appearance is clearly appreciated by colleagues:
On hearing the referendum result, Jean-Luc issued his orders. “Make it slow, Number One!”
I have been reflecting on Radio 4’s programme last night about Enoch Powell.
Amol Rajan wanted to appear fair and dispassionate at first. But he slyly got a gang of progressive friends to knock Powell to the ground. Then right at the end of the programme, Amol unsportingly kicked Powell when he was down.
The programme failed to analyse what Powell is really talking about; the identity, flourishing and survival of a people, its love of and connection to its land, and its right to resist demographic change. Every successful people start out with a clear sense of themselves – it is essential in driving them forward. It is part of the process of ceasing to be barbarians and becoming civilised. But they must retain this self-consciousness if they are not to become decadent. Unfortunately we have lost this and become decadent. The liberal mind reaches out to the world, it discards its former in-group preference and stops taking its own side in a quarrel. It looks at its former virtues and regards them as vices. It sees its successes as failures and its achievements as crimes. In the end it gives away its most precious possession – its land – to strangers. In the process such a people lose their identity and disappear from history.
This, I suggest, was the far-reaching vision that the boarding-house landlady of Powell’s speech could dimly recognise and what the sneering, neo-Marxist, progressive intellectuals on the programme could not. Or – what I suspect with profound dismay – they secretly desire.
Am studying this speech, seeing as no other speech in our lifetime comes close to hitting the left right in the balls like this one.
What other politician in our time has EVER made a speech like this, ever been so lucid, classically trained in rhetorical arts. AND he sets the tripwires first, saying that all he`ll say will be execrated and hated-and by just the right kind of bishops and media jockeys.
It`s as perfect a speech as we`ll get, there`s got to be a PhD here.
Only Martin Luther King compares-and it`s no coincidence that he was killed after his, whereas Powell was hounded to his grave for much the same things. Race, segregation and ghettoes to follow if simple justice is not entertained and enacted by the gutless liberals in charge.
Surely the pair of 20th Century heights of speechmaking these tow-their speeches have lots in common, well worth comprehension and comparison.
Educating Rita isn`t as award worthy if the ditzy scouse poppet actually ACTS on what she“s learned. Hope to do so.
Still on BH on Radio 4, we meet a race law pioneer, looking at last night’s Powell speech. Wonder which way this will go?
We meet Mahesh Upadia, who wanted a house, and was called a ‘coloured’ person and didn’t get. Mahesh went to court but had his case dismissed because the panel did not have the power to take the case to court, apparently. So then we hear he was called a ‘Paki’ This did not go away with the Race Relations Act, apparently.
Now, it seems, migrants are called ‘cockroaches’. So, Mahesh believes, nothing much has changed. Or was it Nikesh? Can’t say I’ve ever heard that term being used, but I believe a great deal has changed since the seventies. A great deal.
Hearing Enoch is ‘putting fires in bellies’, it seems. So says Nikesh, when he joins the discussion.
Amol Rajan should be pleased. He was intending to stir, and he has done so. At least, within the bubble, where they enjoy getting each other worked up.
“He was intending to stir, and he has done so. At least, within the bubble, where they enjoy getting each other worked up.”
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Spot on.
Someone posted this weekend about the Guardian calling for the end of HIGNFY because they can’t get enough women presenters. Another Guardian article last week called for the end of The Simpsons because one of its characters is an (Indian) stereotype.
This conflict-driven agenda is relentless, divisive and utterly joyless. If the pseudo Shangri-La our social engineers strive towards ever came to fruition, I truly believe they’d all go out of their minds with nothing to get enraged about. Can you imagine any of them simply sat by a pond watching some ducks without getting all jittery?
Did I dream this or did Andrew Marr say at the beginning of his show, when showing a newspaper headline that said the Russians will target British elite, – “that will be great fun”
This is a grossly irresponsible comment but when you consider his untamed Marxism and the wild west nature of bbc news it is of no surprise.
I hope that when the first elite person is doused in nerve agent he might want to reconsider that vile comment.
I suspect we haven’t heard the last of this one.
…. he most certainly did.
O/T – interesting news blackout on Canvey Island. How many more of these, before enough is enough ?
Yes, I heard Marr’s comment too.
The car incident is being downplayed, as usual. The media seem to think we’ll forget about it if they ignore it. Thats the reason they hate social media with a vengeance. They have lost control of the flow of information. Stand by for censorship.
Al Beeb and the weasel remoaners trying to overturn the fabric of our nation’s democracy. They are calling for a “peoples referendum”, then what? A third referendum,.…..a fourth referendum…..……ad infinitum?
You will all remember that Cameron spent £9 Million on a ‘One-sided’ Remain leaflet which was put through the door of every house in the country. So much for “we did not know what we were voting for.”
Finally please, please, please see what Cameron warned us from Parliament and tell your mates, otherwise British democracy will become a joke ……
This link should have been added……………..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43774200
Patrick Stewart was again given a platform on Marr this morning.
His raison d’être this time, to convince us that a second referendum is needed to reverse Brexit.
The crux of his argument was effectively; ‘Brexit voters were all mislead by lies and, therefore, ignorant of the truth’. This reasoning pre-supposes 3 things. 1. That everyone who ever votes must understand every fact before they can make a decision. 2. Our decision to vote Leave was based on the ‘lies’; and 3. The Remain side told no lies, therefore there was imbalance in the debate leading up to the referendum which led us to vote Brexit.
I have to say I find Stewart and the rest of these luvvies sanctimonious and intellectually arrogant and I cannot express the contempt I have for many of them. My point, though, is the BBC should not be giving airtime to Actors to emotionally fart on national television on a subject they are no more informed about than the man on the street just because they have cash and influence. Their opinion, to quote the great James Blunt, ‘is like an aresehole. We all have one’.
I honestly don’t know why I put myself though Marr, but in a way it’s cathartic, a kind of mawkish fascination every week. I’m caught between outrage and hilarity at the shite spoken.
Anyway I though it useful to remind ourselves of Sir Patrick Stewart OBE’s previous opinion on the Falklands war/Brexit to contextualise his latest outpouring.
On the Falklands….“No reason, none whatsoever, for us to fight the Argentinians. Tiny little land masses in the South Atlantic….”
On Brexit “..A disgraceful mistake….A referendum to appease a few rebellious backbenchers, where the people of the UK were mislead”.
Rant over! Tea now.
He doesn’t appear to understand he’s asking for the third vote, as the original was in 1975, to decide if we stayed in or left the EEC.
If anyone didnt understand for what they were voting, its the 1975 remainers.
Do you think they voted for:
Political union leading to a federation of EU states?
Enlargement?
A borderless EU?
The EU Army?
The EU arrest warrant.
Loss of sovereignty?
The ECJ.
Oh, yes, all the treaties: Nice, Lisbon, Maastricht?
Feel free to fill in any glaring examples I have missed out.
Therefore, it’s obvious to me, the 2016 vote was the rerun, under a more informed setup, of the original vote, in which the fools were lied to.
Dysgwr_Cymraeg – I agree entirely!
I actually look at things more simply (I’ve had a cup of tea now). The establishment had 40+ years to convince us the EU was a good thing, by stealth. They failed.
This was not because of lies, £350M on a bus or anything else…It’s because the people simply didn’t want to be part of a political EU or the ultimate destination you outline.
Given our undemocratic FPTP system – Brexit is the only real legitimate democratic mandate ever, in my eyes…Yet the BBC constantly undermine this with twat’s like Stewart.
From a man of Yr Hen Ogledd 🙂
Da iawn chi !
Hwntw ydw i….
Doesn’t Stewart, like that other one role luvvie Kingsley, insist on being called ‘Sir’ ?
He does. And, perhaps more depressingly, he makes a big thing about being ‘Northern’ (Huddersfield, I think), which I take particular exception to.
Yes, Venutius, like you I sometimes force myself to watch. This morning my nerve held out until old man Steptoe appeared, then, off.
Perhaps we worry too much about muslim sex-abusers and terrorists. Perhaps it’s just the first generation, and future generations will be magically transformed by British values and fairy dust, and settle down to become the law-abiding doctors and engineers they all yearn to be.
Like they have in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford, Oldham, Newcastle, Peterborough, Bristol, Keighley, High Wycombe, Aylesbury, and so on.
“David Buckel: US lawyer sets himself on fire in climate protest”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43773650
What a shame, then, that his last act was to add to world temperatures.
And leave a carbon footprint .
Boom boom.
Certainly a rather different twist on the ‘leave only footprints’ meme.
Sun : Ten BBC contractors stage four-day operation to change newsroom light bulbs – and STILL miss one
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6054323/bbc-light-bulb-error/
Chris Cook, lead studio director, tweted: “#FFS. #YouHadOneJob.”
Lord Andrew Adonis has stated that he thinks it is disgraceful that the BBC has given airtime to Enoch Powell’s speech and that anyone saying similar today would be arrested and prosecuted for racism.
When Madonna went to deepest darkest Africa to find a new child to adopt, plenty of black activists in this country said it shouldn’t be allowed, the children should be brought up within their own culture and background, not brought up by rich, white people.
It seems they have been given a free pass on the racism front.