Midweek Open Thread

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  1. Thatcherrevolutionary says:

    First ?

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  2. In The Real World says:

    Sorry everyone . First , & I never actually watch or listen to their fake news .

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  3. Fedup2 says:

    First ? It should have been me.
    Congrats thatch and welcome to the first club. Life changing .

    Anyway – not sure how al beeb will deal with it but the mayor of London is blaming the opposition party for kids killing each other in londonistan . That’s gonna sound good in da hood -as I believe it is called . Wasn’t cctv meant to stop such bad behaviour as drive by shooting ? Is it a hate crime ?
    Is it racially aggravated ? Joke

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Depends where it happens, Fed, but it could be vulnerable to the congestion charge.

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  4. Thoughtful says:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9595589/David-Cameron-when-a-burglar-invades-your-home-they-give-up-their-rights.html

    Mr Grayling said: “The basic premise of the change is to get the law to a position where if you are in your home, and you are confronted by an intruder… then if, in the heat of the moment you use a level of force that in the cold light of day might seem disproportionate, the law will be on your side.”

    Mr Cameron said that he was more interested in defending the “rights” of homeowners rather than burglars.

    “We’re saying ‘you can do anything as long as it’s not grossly disproportionate,” he said. “You couldn’t, for instance, stab a burglar if they were already unconscious, but really we should be putting the law firmly on the side of the homeowner, the householder, the family, and saying ‘when that burglar crosses your threshold, invades your home, threatens your family, they give up their rights’.

    “And I’m more interested in the rights of the people who want to defend their homes and their properties.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183

    So what happened here and has the law been changed again because the BBC report appears to suggest that it’s back to the tired old reasonable force backed up by the CPS

    https://www.gov.uk/reasonable-force-against-intruders

    This old guy was 78 for heavens sake and there’s no way he should be arrested save for a debriefing and his own safety from reprisal attacks from the scroats family and friends.

    “My view is that someone who defends themselves against an intruder should be interviewed as a witness not as a potential offender.”

    Clearly this is not the view of the disastrous Communist Theresa the Appeaser unless of course the suicide of the would be burglar happens to be an effnik.

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    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      With 50 deaths in londonistan in the last 3 months the police ‘service’ has finally made an arrest.
      This 78 year old tearaway will feel the full force of the law.

      The police have wasted no time getting this dangerous criminal arrested.
      You can sleep safely in your beds knowing he is now unable to come into your house and……..wait a minute!

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Thoughtful & EG, perhaps the fumes from all that nail colour have gone to the heads of our police and has made them feel too unwell to actually go out and try to catch real criminals?

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        • Rob in Cheshire says:

          It’s difficult for police in five inch heels to chase criminals.

          Please respect their diversity.

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  5. Dave S says:

    They will have to release him. No jury will convict given the current situation.
    He should not have been arrested. The message it send out is dreadful.
    On the subject of the London murders there seems to be an attempt to play them down by the BBC and the media generally except for the hated Daily Mail .
    A good article by David Blunkett who points out that the rule of law is disintegrating and that the consequences will be far worse than terrorism .
    Useless May and the equally useless Home Secretary need to deal with this now.
    The choice is simple. Enforce the rule of law without qualification or fail to do this .
    London is dying as we watch. I will never take my grandchildren there and this is very sad. It is just not worth the risk however small.
    This tourist season could well see numbers collapse . Maybe when money is at stake this useless government will do something

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    • Guest Who says:

      Much play is being made of his age. Maybe a mitigation, but it should not be.

      I am considerably younger but have a wife and kids here with me.

      If a person enters this home when people are in it, these days my presumption will be their intention can only be lethal, and any preemptive measures taken to neutralise the threat are legitimate.

      I am not trained in such things, so the dial will be at eleven, deemed proportionate in the cold light of day or not.

      These are the things I have been programmed with by the words and deeds of politicians like Theresa May or Sadiq Khan, and media such as the BbC.

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      • Lobster says:

        This country as it stands is finished.
        We need a Trump.

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        • taffman says:

          Lobby ,
          I am not a Tory but we need Rees-Mogg and Nigel Farage .

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          • Thoughtful says:

            LMAO at the name ‘Mogg’! Mogg is an arse, he always has been and always will be. He crumbles at the first sign of conflict and would be as bad a PM as any other Tory. It’s a sad indictment that the party is so wrecked that the best it has to offer is Rees Mogg.

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            • G.W.F. says:

              Mogg knows what to say, is a good Parliamentarian, but he missed the boat and should have challenged Treezer.
              So who? Any opinions on Priti Patel?

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              • Up2snuff says:

                Am having a senior moment here. I highlighted someone else recently on here who sounded just as impressive as J R-M but cannot remember who it was.

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              • Nibor says:

                Priti Patel would be loyal to the UK and get a trade deal with India .

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        • kingkp says:

          Way too late. It is over. I will not be retiring to the UK. Ultimately the snowflakes will reap what they have sown

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      • Eddy Booth says:

        So will dead ‘burglar’ appear on the stabbed in London stats?

        Don’t know about the jury not convicting Tony Martin the farmer got sent down for defending his farm with a shotgun in 2000

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        • taffman says:

          Eddy Booth
          “So will dead ‘burglar’ appear on the stabbed in London stats?”
          Good point!
          Also, we know the identity of the of the accused but we don’t know the identity of the burglar ?
          Why?

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        • Sceptical Steve says:

          Tony Martin ‘s case was much more extreme. Although he’s been provoked, and the police had shown no interest in protecting him, he’d effectively laid an ambush and, ultimately, shot the crim when he was running away.

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          • Al Shubtill says:

            So what? He was an older chap alone and two robbers broke into his isolated rural home, they should take the consequences which flowed from their decision.

            The areas of the US which have the least gun control legislation are the ones which have the lowest level of burglary, I wonder why that is?

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          • Guest Who says:

            The police efforts in support of Mr. Martin prior to him taking matters into his own hands sit poorly next to the latest suggestion that one calls them first ‘if possible’.

            Treezer, Amber, Cressida and the rainbow panda, nail varnish and high heeling (any linking factor?) of a supposed Police Force has made them a dangerous joke for the law abiding and respect for the legal system and its enforcement.

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          • Rob in Cheshire says:

            Steve:

            The two scumbags he shot were not “running away”, they were actually in his house. They certainly scarpered off after he shot them, but one of them then died. He did not lay an ambush, but he slept with his shotgun by his bed because he had been burgled several times, and knew that it would take the police an age to come to his isolated farmhouse. He had to rely on himself.

            He ended up killing one career burglar, and crippling another. In so doing, he must have prevented hundreds if not thousands of crimes which this pair of swines would have committed over the next few years. He may well have saved an innocent victim’s life. In my eyes, he did no wrong.

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      • The General says:

        Don’t worry it will all be sorted out when Abbopotamus is Home Secretary.

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      • Flak says:

        Guest Who, I agree with you. If a thief chooses to invade your home then under the law the intruder should forfeit they’re right to protection.
        Disproportionate force is particular to interpretation so on this basis I would claim that I felt my life, and that of my family, were in imminent danger. I would state that the intruder threatened to kill me. Furthermore, in order to make my case I would go as far as to plant a kitchen knife in the palm of the intruder, making sure that it wasn’t the one from an identical set of six residing next to the toaster.
        So, as it stands, in order to justify your right to protect your family you will be forced to fabricate a story that is breaking the law for you to stand within the law.
        If it wasn’t so serious it would be laughable. Oh, and I sincerely hope that you never ever find yourself in just such a predicament.

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    • GRIM REAPER says:

      Blunkett ?!! That worthless sack of shite,,,’I see no limit to the amount of people allowed to come here’…he said…imbecile…Panicked when confronted with a prison riot, screaming at the governor to’ machine-gun the bastards’…he was a useless HS and in reality a precious, snide, egotistical twat who if you scratched the surface would explode in indignation….an unstable and damaged man….loved by the BBC of course….sage he is not….

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Dave
      The outgoing failed DPP will probably order the prosecution in the public interest which she doesn’t seem to understand. Next DPP will be black – tokenism at its best

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      • Dave S says:

        If she does prosecute him this will be a grave error. It could well act as a tipping point and finally arouse us to action.

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      • JimS says:

        He’ll probably be done for Cultural Appropriation if nothing else.

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      I do not want to go there and I live down the road. It must be having a devestating effect on tourism. Properly prices are falling as well.

      Were we not meant to have heaven on Earth as we reached peak diversity? As Douglas Murray points out, if you invite the world to live in your country you invite the world’s problems such as gang violence, blasphemy laws et cetera.

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      • Al Shubtill says:

        You cannot have a First World country with a Third World population, or in London’s case a First World city.

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      I heard a useless BBC left wing apologist point out that London’s murder rate is lower than that of Caracas in Venezuela!

      What a stupid comparison. On the one hand you have a crime ridden city, a splintered society, a crumbling infrastructure, useless police and an extreme left wing mayor, and on the other, you have Caracas.

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  6. pugnazious says:

    The BBC and Corbyn betraying Britain once again, undermining the Foreign Secretary, the British narrative and the Western unified response to Russia’s actions.

    Did the Foriegn Office tweet out a lie? Did Boris lie about knowing the source of the nerve agent? Corbyn is claiming it’s all lies and the BBC is doing little to disprove his reckless, sensationalist and politicised opportunistic untruths. Nice to know Corbyn sides with Russian gangsters rather than his own country.

    So what did the FCO tweet say? The BBC reports what the Russians tell us it said…not actually giving us the real tweet…unbelievable but true…the BBC peddling Russian misinformation….

    On Twitter, the Russian Embassy highlighted a now-deleted tweet by the UK Foreign Office which suggested Porton Down had said the nerve agent had been produced in Russia.

    22 March: “Porton Down lab @dstlmod clearly established that the source of Salisbury toxic agent was Russia”
    3 April: “ @dstlmod never had the task to establish the source of the toxic agent” pic.twitter.com/rVyJsbNJiG
    — Russian Embassy, UK (@RussianEmbassy) April 4, 2018

    Why does the BBC not link to the FCO tweet and the actual breifing by the FCO from which the tweet originated…always suspicious when the BBC doesn’t link to things…what is it hiding?

    Here’s the actual tweet…

    fco

    The deleted tweet read: “Analysis by world-leading experts at the Defence Science and Technology laboratory at Porton Down made clear that this was a military grade nerve agent produced in Russia.”

    ….which means ‘nerve agent of a type that was developed and produced by Russia’.

    And here’s what the British Ambassador to Russia said…
    ‘Four days later the analysts at Porton Down, the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory in the UK, established and made clear that this was a military-grade chemical weapon. One of the Novichok series; a nerve agent as I said produced in Russia. ‘

    The tweet was in fact accurate…it lacked the full context of the briefing and thus was able to be wilfully misconstrued by people who want to mislead the public into thinking Russia is not involved.

    The Ambassador states that using other intelligence they have established that ‘We have no information to indicate that this agent could have been produced anywhere else except in Russia. So we have no doubt that the nerve agent was produced in Russia.’

    It is quite clear that the British government, using numerous sources of intelligence not just Porton Down, firmly believe Russia is the only plausible source and user of this nerve agent.
    Which brings us onto Boris and his interview with German TV in which Corbyn and the BBC claim he lied….Again the BBC don’t link to the interview and don’t give the full question which is this…

    Int: ‘You argue that the source of this nerve agent, Novichok, is Russia. How did you manage to find it out so quickly? Does Britain possess samples of it?

    Boris: Let me be clear with you … When I look at the evidence, I mean the people from Porton Down, the laboratory …

    Int: So they have the samples …

    Boris: They do. And they were absolutely categorical and I asked the guy myself, I said, “Are you sure?” And he said there’s no doubt.’

    The question is in fact three questions with a fourth thrown in half way through the answer…Boris is not answering a question about who made the actual nerve agent used i the attack as confusion reigns in the interview, it should be apparent Boris is merely saying that Porton Down have identified the nerve agent and that it is one that has been created by Russia. Indeed this is what the FCO have explained…an explanation the BBC haven’t bothered to report…

    “The Foreign Secretary was making clear that Porton Down were sure it was a Novichok – a point they have reinforced. He goes on in the same interview to make clear why based on that information, additional intelligence and the lack of alternative explanation from the Russians, we have reached the conclusion we have.

    “What the Foreign Secretary said then, and what Porton Down have said recently, is fully consistent with what we have said throughout. It is Russia that is putting forward multiple versions of events and obfuscating the truth.”

    Here is the Amabassador’s briefing in full which describes why the government concludes Russia is responsible for the attack..the evidence that so many government’s around the world are convinced by….just not the BBC….

    Thank you very much for coming along to attend today’s briefing.

    And, like I think many people in this room, we were all represented, I hope, at yesterday’s briefing in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the Skripal incident. I was not there. That was a decision on our side that it would not be appropriate for me to attend. I do though know from the member of my team who did attend what sort of event it was; including a rather unpleasant barrage in some cases of personal insults and disinformation.

    What we would like to do, what I would like to do today, is to set out some of the facts as we see them and to answer any questions or comments that you might wish to make.

    So to start with the facts. There was an attempted murder in Salisbury a couple of weeks ago of 2 individuals, Sergei and Yulia Skripal, using a nerve agent of a type that we know was developed in the Soviet Union, kept by the Russian Federation, and not declared under the Chemical Weapons Convention as the Russian Federation was obliged to do.

    We asked for an explanation of the Russian Federation as to how this had come about. That explanation was not given and then events took their course. We announced a number of measures that we would take including the expulsion of 23 undeclared intelligence officers from the United Kingdom working in the Russian embassy, and as you know 23 of my staff will be leaving this embassy later this week as required by the Russian Federation.

    So I’ll set out a timeline of events and then say a bit about why we think the evidence points towards Russian involvement in this attack and also about what the UK is doing in a bit more detail.

    So first the timeline. On the 4th of March Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found on a park bench in Salisbury, they were slipping out of consciousness. They were taken to a hospital by our emergency services. They are still in hospital. They remain in a very very serious condition.

    When we established that a nerve agent had been used we immediately informed the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) that chemical weapons had been used in the United Kingdom.

    Four days later the analysts at Porton Down, the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory in the UK, established and made clear that this was a military-grade chemical weapon. One of the Novichok series; a nerve agent as I said produced in Russia. Porton Down is an Organisation for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons accredited and designated laboratory.

    On the basis of the information we had, we concluded that there were only 2 plausible explanations for how this material had been used in the United Kingdom. Either it was a direct act by the Russian state against our country or the Russian government had lost control of this catastrophically damaging nerve agent and allowed it to get into the hands of others.

    We summoned the Russian ambassador to account for the use of a Russian military-grade nerve agent on the 12 of March, giving Russia until the end of the following day to provide an account of what had happened. There was then no credible explanation or response from the Russian government. So our Prime Minister set out the UK’s response. On the 18th of March Russia announced its retaliation.

    I’ll now set out why we’ve concluded that it is highly likely that Russia was responsible for the attempted murder of Sergei and Yulia Skripal.
    First, there is no doubt that the weapon used in the attack was the military-grade nerve agent from the Novichok series. This has been confirmed by specialists, our specialists. An Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons mission is in the UK now to independently confirm this analysis.

    There is also no doubt that Novichok was produced in Russia by the Russian state. It is not a weapon that can be manufactured by non-state actors. It is so dangerous it requires the highest grade state laboratories and expertise to produce it.

    The existence of the Novichok programme has been confirmed by a number of scientists who worked on the programme of the time. The Russian scientist Vil Mirzayanov has testified that Novichoks were developed as part of the Soviet Union’s offensive chemical warfare programme and inherited by the Russian Federation. Vladimir Gutenev, a Duma member and member of Russia’s Commission for Chemical Disarmament has confirmed that the Novichok programme existed. Yesterday, Vladimir Uglev, a scientist who worked on the programme in the 1970s and 1980s, confirmed that the Soviet Union developed hundreds of new generation Novichok-group nerve agents.

    We also have other information that supports that conclusion. The Foreign Secretary made clear on Sunday, last Sunday, that we have information indicating that within the last decade Russia has investigated ways of delivering nerve agents likely for assassination purposes. Part of this programme has involved producing quantities of Novichok agents.

    Russia’s claims that Novichok could have been produced elsewhere have no credibility. We have no information to indicate that this agent could have been produced anywhere else except in Russia. So we have no doubt that the nerve agent was produced in Russia.

    With that in mind we asked the Russian government to explain how it came to be used in the UK. As I said, Russia offered no explanation and yesterday’s briefing demonstrated Russia has instead offered disinformation, distraction and accusations. We have, as of yesterday, counted over 30 lines of disinformation which go back to the Russian state – which include the possibility that the United Kingdom did it, Ukraine was responsible, the materials were made in Sweden, or that it was Skripal’s mother-in-law who attempted to kill him.

    Russia has therefore offered no explanation of how this agent came to be used in the UK, and has offered no explanation either as to why Russia has an undeclared chemical weapons programme in contravention of international law.

    I should just remind you that under the Chemical Weapons Convention all signatories to the Convention are required to declare all capabilities that go back to 1946. Russia is the successor state of the Soviet Union and therefore is obliged to declare that capability. It has not done so.

    We also know that an assassination attempt of this kind is consistent with Russian state behaviour in recent years. Russia has a record of conducting state-sponsored assassinations in Russia and overseas, including in 2006 the assassination of Litvinenko using the radioactive substance Polonium-210. We also know from public statements by Russian officials that Russia views defectors as legitimate targets for assassination.

    So the fact that the Novichok was produced in Russia, the fact that Russia has a history of state-sponsored assassinations, and the fact that Russia has responded with the usual playbook of disinformation and denial left us with no choice but to conclude that this amounts to an unlawful use of force by the Russian state against the United Kingdom.

    This is the first offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since the Second World War and is a violation of the fundamental prohibition on the use of chemical weapons – Article 1 of the Chemical Weapons Convention. Since the attack Russia has attempted to undermine the UK’s position, accusing us of not following the OPCW conventions and refusing to provide any evidence. These accusations are designed to confuse and to weaken our resolve and that of the international community.

    All of the UK’s actions have been fully consistent with our obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. There is for example no provision in the Chemical Weapons Convention that requires the UK to share samples with Russia of the agent that was used in Salisbury. Russia’s history in other spheres, in particular for us the Litvinenko case, makes it entirely clear that we have no reason to work with or to trust the Russian state to provide credible or independent analysis on issues where its interests might be affected.

    As I said earlier we are facilitating independent analysis of the material used in Salisbury. An OPCW team arrived at our request in the United Kingdom on the 19 of March. They are meeting officials from the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down and the police to discuss how to collect samples. These samples will then be sent to 2 highly reputable international laboratories selected by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons for testing, and we expect to see the results in the next couple of weeks.

    At the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs yesterday Russia said it would not respect the conclusions of that independent OPCW analysis. Russia has also claimed that the UK has not followed its legal obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention, especially Article 9. This is simply not true. The Chemical Weapons Convention makes clear that the UK has the right to lead our own response, engaging the OPCW and others as appropriate. The 10-day window for consultations Russia refers to is a right, our right, not an obligation. Article 9 contains nothing prohibiting states from seeking a rapid response to their immediate and urgent concerns from another state party, which is exactly what we did on the 12 of March when we asked Russia to account for what had happened.

    Novichok is a horrific weapon. It is a weapon of war. It was used with tragic consequences for Sergei Skripal and his daughter. It also affected a policeman, Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who was one of the first to respond to the incident, and it affected a large number of UK citizens. 51 people have been assessed or treated in hospital. 131 civilians have been put in potential contact with this nerve agent.

    The events on the next slide I think need no explanation. They are about a pattern of behaviour specifically on chemical weapons. Russia has blocked action against President Asad’s use of chemical weapons in Syria, including multiple vetoes of Security Council resolutions designed to bring that use to account – following particularly the attack using sarin gas on Khan Sheikhoun in 2017. This undermines the international non-proliferation regime on which all countries, including Russia, depend for their security.

    I’ll say a few words now about the UK response. As you know we have expelled a number of Russian diplomats. There has been a Russian response.

    The underlying point though here is that we were compelled to move to protect our national security in this case. We have dismantled the network of Russian undeclared intelligence operatives working out of the diplomatic mission in the UK. We have enhanced border controls and we are tackling criminality and corruption by individuals linked to the Russian state in the UK. We of course have further options if we need them. But our chief aim as I said is to protect our national security.

    Finally, before I throw the floor open to questions I’d like to thank all of our partners for the solidarity in recent weeks. Russia’s modus operandi here is to divide, confuse and sow the seeds of doubt. Your support in the coming months in taking action to protect everybody’s security, the global security regime, will be essential to demonstrate that Russia must be held to account for what has happened here.

    As my Prime Minister made very clear in Parliament last week, this is a dispute between governments, not between the peoples of our countries. A very large part of what my embassy is here to do and will continue doing is to develop mutually beneficial relations with Russia in all the areas that have been so successful over the last 25 years. Trade, education, people-to-people links, science and technology links. That remains as important today as we go forward as it has ever been. Thank you.

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    • taffman says:

      pugnazious
      And in a nutshell …. ?

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      • Up2snuff says:

        taffman, the PM & Foreign Secretary have questions to answer because they have sown confusion. Our principal broadcaster is no better and they have added to the doubt and confusion and possible deception.

        If only they had allowed the investigation to be completed first before making public statements and exercising sanctions against Russia …..

        I wonder why they did not?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Dave
      As a Londoner I’d agree about not visiting my home town. I look at out of towners here for the day and see the shock on their faces as they maybe the only English people on the tube apart from me.

      The killings may well hit the tourist trade and as far as I’m concerned that’s a good thing . There is a recession not far away which will put more on the street and cause more stress.

      If the killing rate remains the same in the run up to the local elections it may well overshadow the view of brexit which will suit neither side.

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      • Eddy Booth says:

        The BBC, after championing mass immigration, had a look at the result in London and fucked off up to Manchester.
        London a great fun city to live in, in the early 1980s,
        I remember Stratford, we went in a pub and they were all having a Cockney style sing song together.

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        • Dave S says:

          Manchester is going the same way. Drugs and drug gangs are on the verge of killing this country . it is this not terrorism which is finally going to see the decent family people revolt and when that happens
          I think all hell will break loose. The need to protect our families is about the strongest motivation there is.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        I meant to say that foreigners as passengers on the tube does not make it more dangerous per se. But the atmos on the tube is at least tense at the best of times. In my view best avoided .
        After 11pm it really does get lawless.

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      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        Fed:

        What is the “tourist trade” really? All the hotels and attractions seem to be staffed by foreigners, who are serving the foreigners who come to visit. What do ordinary British people get out of it?

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      • kingkp says:

        What I find quite extraordinary both in London and here in Germany is the manor in which people who clearly don’t belong here strut around as if they do. Europe is fcked. Time to head for Australia or anywhere where this kind of stupidity is simply not tolerated.

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        • vlad says:

          Like Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia… ?

          The climate’s not great but at least you won’t get knifed, shot or car-rammed.

          Or Africa maybe, after they’ve all moved to Europe?

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    • Al Shubtill says:

      pugnacious – Far too long a post. Why not use links?

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    • G.W.F. says:

      So you are saying that…

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  7. taffman says:

    Unfortunately, another one bites the dust?
    “Man killed in Hackney street stabbing”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43649193
    Mr Mayor where you? More importantly, where are the police, painting their fingernails ?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Taff

      I heard the sirens and helicopter but thought there might be a let up . So I guess Diane abbot will be blinking her eyes a lot in the morning as shadow Home Secretary . She shurely has the gravitas..

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      • taffman says:

        Fedup2
        “She surely has the gravitas..”
        Yep, definitely “gravitas”.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Taff -thought you’d like that. In reality I think a lot of politicians are away in the sunshine ….work life balance eh?

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        • Lobster says:

          More Dignitas than gravitas I feel …..
          Well, she makes me want to top myself ….

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          • Up2snuff says:

            Lobbie, brilliant – my best cheering laugh of the morning* – thanks.

            (* on a morning when they are very few and very far between)

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    • Tabs says:

      Slightly off topic but if you look at the Met Police twitter feed you won’t see many white faces…

      …of course that has nothing to do with crime in London!

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Tabs
        The images speak for themselves . Al beeb and others must be desperate for a white murder suspect to move the narrative into the more comfortable realm of racism but black on black killings which the 50 plus London killings seem to be are an inconvenient truth

        Murders will become like Islamic terrorist arrests – not even mentioned any more – yet alone the trials . Al beeb is far more interested in American politics than anything that happens in Blighty .

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        • Dave S says:

          WE must not allow the fact that at the moment it is mostly black youngsters being murdered and their families suffering to stop us from legitimate outrage and demanding action . The BBC etc practice divide and rule. In this case it must be resisted. Murder is murder and the law must prevail

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          • The General says:

            The black youths are only killing each other because of Government cuts. The police are not on the streets because of Government cuts.
            Nurses cannot hand an old lady in hospital a glass of water because of Government cuts.
            Old Muslim men continue to rape and prostitute 14 year old white girls without police intervention due to government cuts.

            Still all this will be sorted when Corbyn is PM………Yea right !!!!!

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            • johnnythefish says:

              Due to government cuts, a multi-million pound investigation into historic child sex abuse by Tory MPs arising initiated on the ‘evidence’ of one sole fantasist was….

              Oh, hang on………….

                 20 likes

    • Beeb Brother says:

      He was tweeting about hate crime yesterday and tweeted out some cheesy video with smiling kids, saying we need them alive!

      The responses were scathing. He is not up to the job.

         24 likes

  8. taffman says:

    “Hither Green ‘burglar’ stabbing: Man, 78, arrested”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183
    “The CPS and police urge people to always call the police first – if you are able.”
    ” if you are able”
    They are a joke !

       61 likes

  9. taffman says:

    “Russian spy: Labour urges probe over Johnson comments”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43639801
    Who’s side is Labour on, Great Britain or Russia?

       34 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      taffman, it is not side between GB & Russia, but as immediately above in other post, the proper rule and process of law.

      The PM & FS have declared Russia guilty before the investigation is complete. It beggars belief that they (especially Theresa May with previous experience as Home Sec) should have done so and thereby put the UK at risk.

         7 likes

    • vlad says:

      My enemy’s enemy is my friend.

         4 likes

  10. taffman says:

    \\Police force orders male voice choir to change name to be ‘politically correct’ //
    “After the choir refused, Chief Constable Peter Goodman said it could not keep the constabulary in its name – with the group now going under the name of the Derbyshire Community Male Voice Choir.”
    http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/police-force-orders-male-voice-choir-to-change-name-to-be-politically-correct-11364262476126
    They need a new Chief Constable .
    Has Al Beeb covered this yet ? Perhaps they will after their researchers read it here?

       49 likes

    • taffman says:

      PS
      Preferably one that does not paint his fingernails.
      Duty calls ……………

         32 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Taff – if that’s true perhaps the police chief should have the last name changed to goodperson or maybe more objectively” averageperson “ to remove any subjective performance or gender judgement . Fucking insane .

      That chief Constable must be looking to get the londonistan job after Cressida gets a shami peerage

         41 likes

    • gb123 says:

      As the American in the Enterprise car ad says… “Nothing makes sense here!”
      The Chief constable should be given the Justin Trudeau award for dumda** pc comments.

         23 likes

  11. keith jeremy says:

    The BBC website today has a revealing piece on the tally of slaughter in London recently, with photos of many of the victims. The only conclusions the BBC can reach is that most of the victims were male. Read the article and you may glean one other disturbing piece of information. What ever could it be?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43640475

    It obviously cannot be said; these are the deaths that dare not speak their name and the pretence can go on, and the root causes can continue to be ignored, aided and abetted by the BBC and the media in general. It’s blindingly obvious, but the Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome is pervasive.

       58 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Keith,
      The worse thing will be linking the personal characteristic of the killers to the killed. Then what mr mayor ? Cuts? Social media? Stop and search? Half term?

      If the rate of killing is this high in the Easter hols what will Summer do? As I’ve said before here – 250 for the year seems about right . Explain that amber.

         41 likes

    • Beeb Brother says:

      All the demonisation of white men but we seem somewhat under represented here. It is almost as if the entire premise of cultural Marxism is false: certain groups do not have bad outcomes because we ‘oppress’ them but because they have bad cultural practices, such as stabbing rivals to death rather than having a polite discussion with them over a cup of tea as I might do.

         31 likes

    • Oaknash says:

      Keith – Maybe we are all (and especially the BBC) being a little too alarmist about these stabbings.
      Since rape and misogyny in some cultures has been defended by some enlightened liberals as just “cultural relativism” why cant stabbing be the same?
      I mean the cockneys have their knees ups
      the Welsh have rugby and leek breeding
      The Corns have their pasties and cream teas

      Surely these things are all just facets of the same multifaceted gemstone?

      So why are we being so judgmental of other diverse and vibrant groups if they want to express their culture and values. I thought diversity and expression of culture (except Western culture and Christianity of course) was what the liberals and the BBC wanted?

      Maybe Stormzy should write a rap on it so we can all understand this phenomenon better.

         54 likes

    • johnnythefish says:

      Odd, too, Keith when you consider the BBC is normally falling over itself to draw our attention to differences in skin colour.

      (But only when it suits one of its agendas, obviously.)

         15 likes

  12. Nibor says:

    A bit late but needing attention .

    Last week the BBC were reporting that the CBI and IOD employer organisations were worried that Brexit would mean they couldn’t employ European workers .
    Now come on Beeboids , why didn’t you ask the question ; What , you mean the Home Office will become fit for duty and stop illegals getting into the UK and expel migrants ?

    I mean , what new measures is the Home Office going to use after Brexit and why can’t they introduce them now ?

       39 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Nibor
      Simple – home office civil servants are remainers so won’t come up with a system to enable people needed to come into Blighty against low level labour which can be done if people here can be encouraged to work for a living .

         30 likes

    • The General says:

      So are they trying to say that before we joined the ‘Common Market’ there were no foreigners working in this country ? Of course there were and there is no reason why the situation prior to our joining should not resume.
      Still that does not fit in with the negative agenda of Remainers and their sponsors the BBC.

         20 likes

      • taffman says:

        The General
        “before we joined the ‘Common Market’ there were no foreigners working in this country?”
        Yep that’s rubbish. When I was a kid, pre EU, Breton onion sellers were frequently seen where I lived. Also, there were many German contractors working on civil engineering projects.

           11 likes

        • honestus says:

          Taff, one of the biggest lies being peddled by remainers. Moons ago, you couldn’t move in Earls Court without tripping over an aussie. Bars, restaurants clubs – they were everywhere and no eu in sight.

             5 likes

  13. Loobyloo says:

    Jury ‘convinced’ Noor Salman knew of Pulse nightclub attack, but had ‘no option’ but to acquit, foreman says
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/31/jury-convinced-noor-salman-knew-pulse-nightclub-attack-but-had-no-option-but-to-acquit-foreman-says.html
    Didn’t see this mentioned on US-obsessed Al Beeb. Interesting that the prosecution presented weak evidence – no tapes of her statements! And then the fact that her father in law was an fbi informant….
    Drain the swamp!

       19 likes

  14. thirdoption says:

    We’re told by the likes of David Lammy and Diane Abbott that the recent increase in stabbings/murders by black people is due to lack of police resources.

    Fortunately there still seem to be plenty of police available to go after the real criminals as this poor individual found out when he was arrested for a “race hate crime”. He had a golliwog in his window.

    http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/04/man-charged-race-hate-crime-golliwog-window-7441716/

    Any respect that was left for the police has gone.

       64 likes

    • Pounce says:

      The cock suckers at the bBC are wanking themselves silly over how a drag queen got into a slagging match with a Geordie lass and lost. Police are calling it a hate crime.

         24 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Third
      The lady who complained is a white teenager – unusually she has been named in the papers.

         13 likes

      • thirdoption says:

        Fedup2,

        Tried and tested technique – make sure some useful idiot makes the complaint so that the usual suspects can claim it’s offensive to all colours and races.

           8 likes

    • Beeb Brother says:

      How much money do the Police squander on useless political nonsense? Diversity training; recording the ethnicity of all arrests; detailing their ‘reasonable cause’ for every stop and search; and countless others:

         20 likes

    • Kaiser says:

      man in court for golly in the window

      I had to check the date of the article to see if it was an april fool

      this court case could have serious ramifications if this poor fellow is found guilty

      Police is too polite a word for these uniformed morons

         29 likes

  15. Pounce says:

    Off topic, but if you get the chance have a butchers at the mayor of London’s twitter page. The comments are outstanding.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/SadiqKhan
    https://mobile.twitter.com/MayorofLondon?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

       11 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Pounce, they all seem to be from Sadiq Khan himself.

      Does he spend all day and every evening on social media? No wonder the capital city of the UK is starting to fall apart!

         18 likes

  16. Fedup2 says:

    Toady Watch

    I posted here yesterday a competition as to which London borough would be the killing winner for Wednesday – and the winner is Hackney x 2! I’m ready for the shadow Home Secretary to waddle onto Toady. But I think she’s got better things to do like enjoy the half term hols.

    Toady noktee did I great piece on Hungary which votes on Sunday and the wonderful victor orbsn will be elected on a programme of holding back the foreign Islamic hordes and keeping a national identity . I’m thinking about moving to Hungary – but i d hope they wouldn’t let me in although I am white and Christian ( not a very good one).

    The equalities gestapo found the average meaningless genda pay gap is 9.7 per cent . They are disappointed so think there is figure fiddling going on . What a waste of time and money . Bet that outfit is full of sistas. The gap is probably caused by beeboid pay levels .

    Today’s prize goes to the first link between the killings on London streets and brexit .
    I reckon tomorrow.

       30 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Toady update

      David Lammy has been an MP for 18 years so has presided over their decline of his part of London .
      He s gone on Toady saying the reasons for the killings is drugs.
      He and his type have been undermining policing for years and then the Conservative s shame on them joined in . Lack of street control is the main reason for this crime wave so it ain’t going away any time soon .
      On the upside at least toady has woken up to this . I go on about it because I live in the bit of London where much of this is going on . I’ve gone out twice recently and been met by police tape . God bless multiculturalism

         51 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Bbc daily email:

      ***

      Two more people killed in London

      London killings

      A man in his early 20s has died after being stabbed in east London. Police were approached by the wounded victim in Link Street, Hackney, and tried to give him first aid, but he died at the scene 25 minutes later. And in Upper Clapton Road, less than two miles away, a man in his 50s was pronounced dead following reports of an assault.

      The deaths – which follow the shootings of 16-year-old Amaan Shakoor 17-year-old Tanesha Melbourne earlier this week – bring the number of killings in London this year to 50.“

      ‘London’ seems to be killing a lot.

         25 likes

      • Guest Who says:

        And the next ‘story’ (BBC quotes) adds a bit of levity to a depressing series:

        “North Korean missiles ‘could reach UK in months”

        Those have to be the slowest missiles in history.

           45 likes

        • Ian Rushlow says:

          Indeed. Only marginally quicker than Saddam’s Weapons of Mass Destruction still on their way to Cyprus…

             29 likes

  17. Beeb Brother says:

    8.10am interview: man sneakily tries to blame Trump for London killings!

    “When you have people who run countries over-reacting others follow.”

    My mum was saying just what I say about how boring the gender talk is -the same tired nonsense over and over and over. Like me she has just changed the channel.

    They need youth clubs! Who stabs someone to death just because they have no youth club? Such a ridiculous argument.

    This is the legacy of the Macpherson report. Criminals know an accusation of racism can ruin a Police officer’s career so they have their hands tied.

    “No resources for mentoring.”

    Where are their fathers?

       43 likes

    • G says:

      BB,
      “Where are their fathers?”. If black, moved on to the next female conquest. So we learn from documentaries.

         37 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Princess Nikki Campbell got a shock on his programme yesterday. A black guy rang in, and in the course of the conversation, Princess Nikki mentioned that youth clubs were closing down. The Princess was shocked when the black guy said this was a good thing. Why? Because every youth club ended up with its own gang, and they just feuded with the gangs of the other youth clubs.

      I almost felt sorry for Princess Nikki when reality gave the politically correct moron a bitch slap on national radio. Almost.

         44 likes

      • Beeb Brother says:

        That is hilarious.

        It is such a ridiculous argument. I used to run a youth club and the kids did not go out stabbing over the summer when it was not on.

        Always someone else’s fault.

           14 likes

    • Payne by name says:

      Yes, I also roll my eyes when people say “these stabbings and killings happen because the kids have nothing to do”.

      So not only does the state (i.e. us the taxpayer) have to cover the medical costs for you having a child, then contribute financially with child benefit and then educate it, it is also now our responsibility to keep it entertained with youth clubs that they’ll only use to sell drugs in.

      Maybe the actual parents could make an effort to keep their children entertained, detained or safe and secure.

      The argument that if kids are bored, they will start killing each other is just so goddam lazy and blame absolving.

         26 likes

      • Kaiser says:

        shit my little town doesnt have a youth club,

        should I buy a stab vest

           24 likes

        • JimS says:

          Yes!

          To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.

          [‘Peelian’ Policing Principle 7]

          If the police no longer look like us then we should look like them!

             10 likes

  18. G says:

    We’ve all heard it. We’ve probably all said it. “The country is going to the dogs” I’m referring to. So, it needs a new expression more suitable for the current rapid deterioration. I see the situation as one of being in, “a free fall”. The deterioration has been observably gradual over the years, commensurate with a Governments (all persuasions) mismanagement but now? “Free fall” is the only way it can be described in every respect.
    Certain words in the English language carry a legal definition over and above a dictionary meaning. One word the law has refused to interpret differently from the common usage is, ‘amenity’ which for both purposes, is defined simply as the, “pleasantness of a place”. I’ll go no further.

       24 likes

  19. king crimson says:

    I mentioned yesterday about the “Will you be in on the 4th of April?” because enforcement officers have been authorized etc etc.

    As expected, nothing happened and the Doberman got fed.

    However, I began re-reading a book last night…….Winston’s first diary entry was 4th April 1984.

    Draw your own conclusions!!

       35 likes

  20. Pounce says:

    The bBC loves to highlight tweets especially from tories, here is a tweet from the mayor of London which nobody from the bBC has picked up on

       24 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Especially the rivers.

      Saddo, like Trump, likes to use twitter a lot.

      Difference is, any blowback I suspect Don feeds off, whereas the mildest critique in response will get Khan screaming at Cressida to have another Brazilian hit put out.

         19 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Not the bbc, but #CCBGB

         29 likes

      • MarkyMark says:

        I was listening to the birds in the background!

           10 likes

      • Fedup2 says:

        Guest
        – priceless – think of the children – can you believe that that is the Shadow Home Secretary – so inspiring . She spent her whole career hating the hideously white police and now there ain’t enough of them . Hey Di – how much do they cost again ? Ten and thrupence haypnee

           28 likes

  21. Sluff says:

    Never mind the gender pay gap, even though we even had a feminazi on Thought for the Day today.

    The real gaps are the brain cell gap and the impartiality gap at the biased BBC.

    For instance, referencing Have I Got News For You, Julia Hartley Brewer writes in the Telegraph “ one producer privately explained to me …that other producers didn’t want me on the show any more because they saw mw as a right winger. The job of right wing guests was not to make jokes but to be the butt of them. …..If HIGNFY producers are looking to balance their panellists they should forget about gender and venture out of their lazy Left Wing remainer bubble”

    I think I’ve fallen in love. Is heterosexuality allowed these days?

       55 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Sluff: “The real gaps are the brain cell gap and the impartiality gap at the biased BBC.”

      Never have more true words been written!

         21 likes

  22. Tabs says:

    London murders: Fact-checking the statistics
    Short video with “in depth analysis” on the London stabbings.

    BBC fact #1 “it’s important to point out New York had twice the murders last year” whilst ignoring the fact London had 130 murders for 2017 and is already up to 50 for barely 3 months.

    BBC fact #2 “what about gang violence? you will see that teenagers make up less than a quarter” so that’s alright then if we assume all gangs are aged 13 to 19 only – ffs!

    BBC fact #3 “it is thought many of the murders are domestic violence”. Who ‘thought’ this exactly? Surely it can be proved easily and what does ‘many’ actually mean?

    And there we have it. Nothing to worry about. There is no pattern in the killings whatsoever – just like the terror attacks, nothing links them together whatsoever.

       37 likes

    • Ian Rushlow says:

      “it is thought many of the murders are domestic violence”. Who ‘thought’ this exactly?
      It is ‘groupthink’, a deflection strategy formulated by the Home Office and promoted by the BBC.
      Many people think/know that this is ‘alien violence’.

         22 likes

      • Tabs says:

        Probably thought up by some Etonians who think all the black people are related to each other because they call each other “brother”.

           17 likes

    • Tabs says:

      That video was done by BBCs Helen Drew. Even though she works for the BBC and has vast resources and technical help she can’t work out which way up a photo goes!

         9 likes

      • Eddy Booth says:

        reminds me of a short story,
        HARRISON BERGERON by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
        http://www.tnellen.com/westside/harrison.pdf
        1961 , vonnegut predicts the bbc..

        ”The television program was suddenly interrupted for a news bulletin. It wasn’t clear at first as to what the bulletin was about, since the announcer, like all announcers, had a serious speech impediment. For about half a minute, and in a state of high excitement, the announcer tried to say,”Ladies and Gentlemen.”
        He finally gave up…

        A police photograph of Harrison Bergeron was flashed on the screen-upside down, then sideways, upside down again, then right side up. The picture showed the full length of Harrison against a background calibrated in feet and inches. He was exactly seven feet tall. ”

           12 likes

      • Oaknash says:

        Tabs you are so THICK !!!!! – Everyone here knows she is
        broadcasting from Australia – DUUUHHHH!

           1 likes

    • G says:

      Tabs,
      I blame the nasty white’s. Their racist behaviour is at the bottom of this mark my words, the BBC will conclude. Somehow. But, whatever happened to it being, “……all part and parcel of living in a big city…..”?

         14 likes

  23. Guest Who says:

    Clearly Katty inspiring this little tick to up his game:

       6 likes

  24. Guest Who says:

    A very good question. Not answered by the Met yet.

    And in other news, not asked by the bbc. Apparently.

       27 likes

  25. Up2snuff says:

    Seventy-eighth! Whoooppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

    Listened to Ben Wallace, UK Security Minister on TOADY talking about Skripal poisoning. Complete absence of informed, intelligent, enquiry from Justin Webb.

    The needle on the dial of my Bullshit Detector went up to 9¾.

    How was it for others on here?

       26 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Up -it reminded me of that spoof with Chris Morris? Where he gets a war started . Teasing about telling comrade Corbyn anything secret so he can tell his Moscow centre handler .

         8 likes

  26. Beeb Brother says:

    Why can’t The Mash Report or some other ‘comedy’ mock Khan? They mocked Boris Johnson and surely we want equality? As bodies piled up in London he was in the US talking about mean Tweets. Yesterday he tweeted the most saccharine video about needing kids alive, along with a muscular tweet. The man is ridiculous.

    You can bet they would never even lay a glove on him. So much for ‘white privilege’ – the threat of an accusation of ‘racism’ or ‘sexism’ is effectively a forcefield for certain groups. Whereas great comedy in the past like That Was The Week That Was mocked the establishment, the liberal elite epitomised by the Beeb IS the establishment.

    Could they at least get comedy genius Nish Kumar to say something? I bet Khan would take any criticism extremely badly and take refuge in victim status.

    The immune system of the media, law enforcement etc have turned against us. Instead of holding the wrongdoers to account they persecute anyone who points out there are problems.

       41 likes

  27. MarkyMark says:

    Ah, feel the love and peace … ‘ activists’ really means ‘terrorists’ surely?

    Hindu activists threaten to torch UK cinemas in Bollywood film row {theguardian 05apr2018}
    Indian release of Padmavati, about 14th-century queen, postponed after protests and death threats against cast and director

       16 likes

  28. StewGreen says:

    Trans : 5Star 9-10pm When Mum Becomes Dad & Son Becomes Daughter
    “This documentary follows three remarkable young people who share their transgender experiences”
    “Kate, 19, (below) grew up as Callum, and is now newly confident in her female identity.
    Felix, 20, was born in a female body but is now recovering from surgery to remove his breasts, and 47-year-old Sam is seven years into his transition journey.”

       11 likes

    • G says:

      SG,
      “When Mum Becomes Dad & Son Becomes Daughter,” And dad becomes mum and brother becomes sister And, uncle becomes aunt and Grandad becomes ? well, simply, gran. Have I left any out of the permutations? But there, HMRC will have difficulty in keeping up though.

         13 likes

  29. MarkyMark says:

    BBC Are looking to equalise a new Gender Gap … oh, wait …

    0d04130a7e7584d51e280e9633b4d8093312b57a1e5d4e3f0aa72bd6390a9c5f.png

    Why are female mass shooters so rare? {bbc.co.uk 05apr2018}
    Nasim Aghdam’s attack at YouTube HQ was a rare occurrence: only 4% of mass shooters in the US are female.

       21 likes

    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Camille Paglia, a rather thoughtful feminist, hit the nail on the head many years ago: “There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper.” Her point being that men are more subject to extremes in many traits, such as intelligence, happiness, deviant/criminal behaviour and so on. Needless to say, such views are not popular with modern faux-feminists and their profound interest in their own middle-class obsessions, inadequacies, hang-ups and greed the plight of ordinary women.

         36 likes

      • Guest Who says:

        There was likely more than one serial mutilator (gender unconfirmed?).

        Just as Lizzie Borden was highly likely not to be the only disaffected youth of ovaries.

           7 likes

      • G says:

        Ian,
        I always measure what’s going on in the brain cells by watching male and female’s shopping in the supermarket……………. Try it, it can be revealing the difference between the two!

           7 likes

  30. Up2snuff says:

    Yesterday, on TWatO, the BBC got in a very funny muddle between the Western Balkans (down on the Mediterranean) and the Eastern Balkans (near to or bordering Russia) in their desperate desire to overturn Brexit and demonstrate that they are pro-EU.

    Having a reasonable knowledge of the layout of Europe, I couldn’t believe my ears at the time. A glance at a map this morning has confirmed the BBC’s incorrect (upside down!) view of the geography of Europe.

    Everything the BBC is doing at present is making them appear increasingly deficient. Is their TV output as bad as that of Radio4? If so, they are definitely NOT worth the Licence Fee.

       26 likes

  31. Halifax says:

    Hi All
    Just seen that George Clooney and Dominic Cumberbatch have joined forces and said that they will never appear in another film that portrays guns or violence. This, they say is their way of helping society on both sides of the pond turn their backs on the romanticised notion that guns are cruel ant that violence of any type has not part in a modern society.

       16 likes

  32. Halifax says:

    Hi All
    Just seen that George Clooney and Dominic Cumberbatch have joined forces and said that they will never appear in another film that portrays guns or violence. This, they say is their way of helping society on both sides of the pond turn their backs on the romanticised notion that guns are cruel ant that violence of any type has not part in a modern society.

       6 likes

    • Kaiser says:

      perhaps clooney could give back all the money he made from films featuring guns and violence

         39 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Reminds me of Quentin, Jamie and Leo getting oddly finger wavy about gun violence around the time of their latest splatterfest.

         16 likes

    • Halifax says:

      THIS TIME IN ENGLISH
      Just seen that George Clooney and Dominic Cumberbatch have joined forces and said that they will never appear in another film that portrays guns or violence. This, they say is their way of helping society on both sides of the pond turn their backs on the romanticised notion that guns are not cruel and that violence of any type has no part in a modern society.

         14 likes

      • G.W.F. says:

        Halifax

        No more Hamlet, unless they take out the violence.

        5.%2BKobna%2BHoldbrook-Smith%2B%2528Laertes%2529%2Band%2BBenedict%2BCumberbatch%2B%2528Hamlet%2529%2Bin%2BHamlet%2Bat%2Bthe%2BBarbican%2BTheatre.%2BPhoto%2Bcredit%2BJohan%2BPersson.jpg

           19 likes

      • vlad says:

        Best thing those 2 virtue-signallers could do to ‘help society’ is never to be seen or heard again.

           10 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      I would never pay any money to see anything with either of those two virtue signalling ponces in it, so it’s no loss to me. The only entertainment I expect from them is watching their careers shrivel and die.

         25 likes

  33. AsISeeIt says:

    Is it really true that the BBC is pushing certain leftest agendas in lieu of giving us the news in a balanced moderate form?

    I’m quietly pondering this vexed question over breakfast as perky BBC presenter Naga Munchetty reporting on the anniversary of the death of Martin Luther King Jnr suddenly barks out “…was assinated by a White Supremacist!”

    Woooah, that’s a rather unusually categorical editorial statement there. I’ll bet that didn’t get into the carefully considered BBC news script without being measured against some sort of new style agenda?

    Some might feel that sounded a tad agressively anti-white. Does it not tend to tar all white people with the same evil brush? What if I feel it was a bit hateful and I took offence? Couldn’t the term ‘racial supremacist’ have served equally well? Why the perjorative use of the word ‘white’?

    How come the supposedly neutral BBC world view is suddenly so starkly black and white?

       48 likes

    • G says:

      Al, report it to the police as a hate speech crime, after all, you were simply offended wern’t you?

         25 likes

      • ScottishCalvin says:

        I went to the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis a few years ago (2013). It’s over the road from the Lorraine Motel and actually has an exhibit outlining the various conspiracies and unanswered questions surrounding the shooting. I was lucky enough to listen in on a school teacher who was telling his class that the official story has enough contradictions to be nonsense although he (an African American gentleman in his 50s or so) didn’t have a strong idea what truly happened and that they should educate themselves and do their own research. As they got to the end and prepared to reboard their busses I walked up and thanked him for teaching his kids to think for themselves and know to question what people say.

           7 likes

  34. fakenewswatcher says:

    I did like the little bit by the Swedish professor statistician this morning, wondering why all ‘refugees’ could not simply have got on planes to come to Europe? Or ferries? Cheap, compared to human smuggler prices. Safe.
    Answer: Those nasty Europeans legislated that people had to have documentation, when boarding a plane. The Professor spoke of ‘refugees’ one minute and ‘Syrian refugees’ the next. Wow. Inaccurate for a statistician or did the Corporation blur the issue?
    Convenient. Mixed up the narrative, cos what about the streams coming from dozens of other countries?
    And we know about the deliberate destruction of documentation.
    And Stockholm… a wee bit suspect now as a source of information about ‘migrants’?

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  35. Sluff says:

    Just read the GDP growth figures for 2017.
    Nice cuddly friendly Barnett formula benefitting high tax socialist-in-all-but-name SNP led Scotland….0.8%
    UK run by evil austerity-imposing Tories…….1.8% !!!!

    Not statistics I expect the bBBC to feature strongly. Don’t want facts to get in the way of the agenda, do we?

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  36. fakenewswatcher says:

    Asl- The ‘white supremacist’ shot MLK narrative has been used several times already during the last few days, to link it to the ‘white supremacists’ ofCharlottesville etc and the present, where -it appears- nothing has changed in 50 years. Message: ‘White supremacists’ were shooting blacks then and they’re still doing it now’.
    Bit of ‘creative journalism’ from beeb and others, to drive home their relentless message…

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  37. MarkyMark says:

    BBC .. why the picture of a man with two pints of alcohol in his hands .. why not with his family?
    Drunkard?
    Irresponsible drinker?
    Reckless man?

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    Hither Green ‘burglary death’: Man, 78, bailed {bbc.co.uk 05apr2018}
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43648896

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    • Tabs says:

      and why no pictures of the man he stabbed? I’m waiting for the usual stab victim family to say “he was a family man and hard working” and then start a riot in London in true Mark Duggan style.

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      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        The usual form of words is “he was no angel”, which means he was a one man crime wave.

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      • Banania says:

        Looking at that picture we can’t say the “murderer” was “a bit of a loner, he always kept himself to himself.”

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    • Old Goat says:

      Holding a drink for his dart-playing mate?

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      • Eddy Booth says:

        ”A 37-year-old man, armed with a screwdriver, forced the homeowner into his kitchen where a struggle ensued and the suspect was stabbed, the Met said.”
        So as usual no inquisitive journalists at the BBC ,
        asking why he was taken to the kitchen (the land of knives) ?
        Was mr 37 feeling peckish and wanting the old man to knock him up a chip buttie…

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        • Holly Selassie says:

          A apparently uninvited guest in possession of a Phillips tool accompanied the alleged owner of the domicile into what we know now to have been an unsafe space, where a fracas seems to have occured, and thereby leaving a vulnerable youngster murdered in cold blood.
          There you go BBC-THAT`S how you`d normally report this.

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    • G says:

      MM,
      ‘Drunk in charge of a kitchen’?

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    • G.W.F. says:

      Holding his mates pint while he threw darts. Its a dart’s match but media prefer the image of a drunk. Soon union jacks will be found, plus Nazi literature, and worse – a message from someone in the EDL, and this will be brought up in court.
      Please Tommy Robinson, say nothing about this trial. You will be held responsible.

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  38. Tabs says:

    Children’s centre closures may be as high as 1,000, says study
    Typical BBC, lots of black kids in the photos as they are portrayed as victims of white skinned Tories.

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  39. BRISSLES says:

    Oh to be back in the day when the word ‘community’ meant going to the ‘community centre’ for a disco/wedding/jumble sale ! Now we hear it every day in a totally different context. Since at least the Millennium this country has become a depressing place to live in. I’m sure like a lot in my age bracket, we’ve grown up and lived in the best of times – which are long gone.

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    • JimS says:

      Isn’t it curious that only the ‘ethnics’ have a ‘community’ and cultures?

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Jims

        We might add that the gays and TGs have a community too. So when the politicised one’s speak, they preface their remark with ‘Speaking as a member of the gay LBGTwz community my view on…. climate change is…’

        So what about the community of wankers?

        ‘Speaking as a member of the masturbating community I support Brexit’.
        There.

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        • BRISSLES says:

          ‘Speaking as a member of the masturbating community ……..

          Well, the very image put me off my lunch for a start !!!!!

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Bris
      How can you think this country is depressing if you can bet on which londonistan borough will have a. Killing tonight ? My moneys on Lambeth next one – means the bloody police helicopter won’t wake me up again

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  40. StewGreen says:

    Radio4 SJW & Victimhood spotting
    ☑ Migrants
    : 10am Womans Hour : ‘Boy 87’ is Ele Fountain’s debut novel. Seen through the eyes of fourteen-year-old refugee Shif, it tells the story of his challenging adventure in search of a better life.
    : 11am Athens a seven-storey super squat housing 400 refugees
    The leftist Greek government has so far turned a blind eye and now mainstream NGOs like MSF and even the UNHCR have started co-operating in this illegal project.
    ☑ Women
    : 10am Womans Hour : is there parity at the Commonwealth Games ?
    ☑ Eco-campaigning
    3pm “Plastic Free” Isle of White (that’s a mere buzzword, cos you wouldn’t want to live without plastic protection for hygiene products etc, same as “carbon free”)
    ☑ Pet Issues
    4pm Film prog, you think it will be about normal films ?
    #1 lead actor from the deaf community.
    #2 film about AIDS activists in the 90s
    #3 rules for putting black characters on screen by Niellah Arboine
    ☑ Brexit scaremongering
    8:30pm prog is supposed to be about Brexit & Eire
    ☑ Trans
    9pm on TV Channel 5Star

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    • StewGreen says:

      12:30pm Radio4 “Vegan Football Team” sounds like that will be about Dale Vince Ecotricity’s team

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  41. MarkyMark says:

    The man who cannot see a single positive in Brexit …. whose wages are paid £1.75m under threat of prosecution … says this …

    “Depressingly true:” – Gary ‘£1.75m’ Lineker

    “You’ve got to be one of the other, Gary. That’s the politics of everything today. No more room for seeing both sides of the argument. You have to pick a side, scream at the other lot, and keep your fingers firmly in your ears. Them’s the rules.”

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  42. MarkyMark says:

    Not BBC but Irony … Lord Sugar pointing at Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn .. the man who likes to say “You’re Fired!” … comedy that writes itself …

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  43. vlad says:

    The racist beeb and the increasingly politicised and useless police ask ‘Are black knife deaths being ignored?’.

    No you morons, it’s black knife KILLERS that are being ignored. In no small part because of the beeb, May and Khan.

    Be assured that if the killers were white, the beeb, Dickless Dick and Khan’t-do-Khan would be all over it, and the outrage would be deafening.

    “Are black knife deaths being ignored?”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-43491155/police-are-black-knife-deaths-being-ignored

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  44. Eddy Booth says:

    Have I found a story with no bbc politically correct spin?
    An extract from some show, here taking a jaguar for a swim.
    Except maybe the hidden message: it can get dangerously cold in indoor swimming pools , so don’t try this at home without a wetsuit too.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p062kjr7?intc_type=promo&intc_location=news&intc_campaign=bigcatsaboutthehouse_swim&intc_linkname=bbctwo_sm_mid_c3

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  45. Eddy Booth says:

    Jaguar swimming skills
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    A bbc story without a pc angle?
    Except maybe wear a wetsuit in indoor swimming pools- just incase it’s chilly
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p062kjr7?intc_type=promo&intc_location=news&intc_campaign=bigcatsaboutthehouse_swim&intc_linkname=bbctwo_sm_mid_c3

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  46. vlad says:

    Let us mark a minute’s silence for civil rights campaigner and white prostitute user and beater, ML King.

    RIP.

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  47. Beeb Brother says:

    All this deflection, blaming cuts or a lack of mentoring etc. They never question the idea that all cultures are equal, the insane and patently absurd assumption they have bet the house on. Seeing as it is illegal to even ask that question we are doomed.

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  48. MarkyMark says:

    BBC turn “Two teenagers” into ‘boys’ … in 35 minutes …

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    https://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/1577830/diff/6/7

    Two teenagers have been arrested after an 18-year-old man was stabbed to death in an east London street.”

    (35 minutes later)

    Two boys have been arrested after an 18-year-old man was stabbed to death in an east London street.”

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    • popeye says:

      Sky ribbon news has it as two 17-year olds charged with murdering an 18 year old. So Beeb and allies want to give stabby 17-year olds the vote because they’re “adult” but “boys” when they get caught murdering. Well, which is it?

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  49. StewGreen says:

    Snippets :
    BBC’s star actor for last Sunday’s Agatha Christie (before he was kicked out and it refilmed ) Ed Westwick has been accused of rape by 4 women in total.

    Saturday Drama : about a British Syrian woman’s campaign to rescue her doctor son from Syrian government prison, claim that he had merely gone there to serve in the hospital and had got caught up.
    From the start digs at non lefty things eg claimed a “Daily Mail Headline” was hostile to Syrian gov and that “If my son was white, then he wouldn’t be still stuck in Syria”
    She was led on a merry go round of paying £30K in bribes to corrupt officials etc., then suddenly the Syrian gov said “Your son committed suicide in prison”

    Times a BBC job advert indicates that a new series in 2021 will be Frozen Planet 2

    Brexit : Idea that Ireland border will be terrible
    : In Switzerland I used to walk across the border to go to the German supermarket. I’ve been stopped by police asked to open bag, no really a problem.

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  50. G.W.F. says:

    It is nearly a month since the BBC reported on the UK Terror Police investigating those responsible for Punish a Muslim Day.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-43356769

    Obviously the Terror Police are Alhamber and Treezers best.

    Any leads yet? Any arrests? Any evidence they are from the far far far right?
    All that monitoring of Twitter and social media, something should have turned up.

    Poor victims of this hate. I wonder who is responsible.

       26 likes

    • MarkyMark says:

      Malala went home, which happens to be Sadiq Khan’s old home Country Pakistan … realised that the Religion of Peace there was not ready to be told to educate the women so she came back to intolerant UK to live with her family and say the UK needs to be more tolerant.

      ** You really could not make this stuff up!

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Al beeb has finally woken up to the killings in londonistan and put a list of the 52 plus dead people on their site .

        They and their politician friends have been ranting on about “gangs” like it’s LA or nypd blue but if you look at the victims it’s more complicated than that – I still go with my multicultural failure / population stress thingy .
        Lots of “dissing” and stuff. Still betting on Lambeth being the next victim source

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Briss says in an earlier post that the stabbing in my bit of east londonistan is the latest incident . It isn’t . My local paper reports “serious “ stabbings every 2 days or so here . Normally they involve victims with non English names .

          Someone on twitter helpfully retold that the met police have 900 officers investigating hate crime. Guess murder has to be included now.

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          • kingkp says:

            The question is how long can they continue to not report the news even when high ranking DOJ and FBI officials are being indicted and sent to prison. and members of our own intelligence services are implicated in a coup to oust the lawfully elected President of the US. Of course they will attempt to blame Trump for it, but ultimately you cannot lie forever and a day and get away with it. Assange is basically being held a prisoner in the middle of London with his human rights completely discarded. He’s not even allowed internet access, yet somehow this disgraceful situation is considered the new normal.

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