Open Thread – 12/12/17

I’m not sure what’s happened to Alan (Maybe the TV liecensing people took him to their dungeon) and I don’t have the admin rights to remove the old pinned thread, but here’s a new one for all your BBC bias needs.

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354 Responses to Open Thread – 12/12/17

  1. Rich says:

    According to Stormin’ Norman on the Views at One Mrs May is looking, in his final words to camera, “pretty peely-wally”.

    Peely-wally? Who speaks like this? Scots slang from a Northamptonshire numpty. To end a report that was, essentially, just more slabberin’ from a shampain Socialist scunner.

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  2. GCooper says:

    Outstandingly bad interviewing from Martha ‘klueless’ Kearney on WATO at lunchtime. Faced with two pantomime horse hacks, one from the not-the-real-Tories, the other from the not-the-real-Labour, both lying their heads off about ‘homelessness’, not once did she mention the fact that possibly as many as half a million immigrants are entering the country every year and they all have to live somewhere .

    The BBC not only supports this madness but it actively connives with the political class to inhibit discussion of the problem.

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  3. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    It’s been a good week or two for the far left bbbc.
    The Republicans losing in Alabama. (Are we going to get all the American elections fully televised now or only the ones that may be bad for Trump)
    The Brexit betrayal sell out going full on towards the softest of brexits (or worse)
    They’ve got rid of Patel (but are having trouble getting Green out)

    They must be feeling very smug.

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  4. G says:

    Probably like most here, I’ve expressed an interest in supporting Jacob Rees-Mogg and I am now receiving the inevitable pleas for financial contributions to his leadership campaign. Sunday 10th I sent this email to his ‘campaign team’ –
    “Before I contribute, I need to know what Jacob’s policies and vision for the UK is. In particular, I need to know whether he is the man to reverse the growing problem of the Islamification of the UK with its completely separate adherents.

    Please direct me to Jacob’s Policy documents.

    Thanks,
    To date, no reply. I’ll post when in my possession.

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    • Scroblene says:

      Good point, G. They’re all at it, probably because some idiot has paid the Grauniad a few bob! (probably on some daft council’s expenses heet by now)

      I keep getting stuff from someone called 38 degrees, (weren’t they a boy band once), but I did vote for something or other once, so it all goes straight to spam and the bin. But hey, all my charity goes to the Kent Air Ambulance, and the rest can go hang!

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  5. StewGreen says:

    R4 drama now
    ‘Evil social media experts are trying to illegally rig an election and set off a dominoe fall of liberalist states.’
    So while in the real world the evil is the lefties. with their Alinsky tactics..the R4 drama directs attention away from Momentum .

    Now the evil rightwing org in the drama just revealed the rigged the EU referendum, by putting out newsvertorials about “gypsies, migrants etc.”

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  6. MarkyMark says:

    Learn how the BBC is working to strengthen trust and transparency in online news {bbc.co.uk 13dec2017}

    The BBC is recognised by audiences in the UK and around the world as a provider of news that you can trust. Our website, like our TV and radio services, strives for journalism that is accurate, impartial, independent and fair.

    Research shows that, compared to other broadcasters, newspapers and online sites, the BBC is seen as by far the most trusted and impartial news provider in the UK.

    Public perceptions of the impartiality and trustworthiness of the BBC : November 2017 {pdf}

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    • GCooper says:

      And they say the BBC no longer does comedy.

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    • vlad says:

      Marky – If those stats are remotely accurate, then it’s a terrifying indictment of just how deep the nationwide brainwashing by the beebistan has gone.

      But hang on: on all questions of trust and accuracy, the Guardian is ahead of the Telegraph, while the Mirror is ahead of the Sun. One would expect those sentiments to be reflected in the circulation figures of those respective papers (people don’t buy papers they don’t trust!)

      Yet the Telegraph outsells the Grauniad by 3 to 1, and the Sun the Mirror by 2.5 to 1.
      To put it another way, if the Grauniad is so trusted across the board (it outranks all others in the survey) how come its circulation figures are the worst of the broadsheets / ‘serious’ press?

      Something doesn’t jibe.

      And of course the Sun gets the very lowest score, on every question, behind every other source of news. So the BEST SELLING newspaper in the country is THE LEAST TRUSTED according to the survey.

      Doesn’t stack up (unlike the piles of unsold Grauniads and Independents).

      Sounds like the sort of opinion beeboids would express, not a cross-sample of the population!

      And don’t tell me they read the Sun for Page 3: it’s been scrapped!! (Much to my chagrin.)

      The whole survey sounds like FAKE NEWS to me.

      Click to access bbc_report_trust_and_impartiality_nov_2017.pdf

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    • scribblingscribe says:

      My word the BBC are devious.

      Under the section labelled, “In comparison with other news providers, the BBC remains by far the most trusted source of news in the UK” but the actual question asked was: “Of all the news sources (TV broadcaster, radio, newspaper, magazine or website), which ONE source are you most likely to turn to for news you trust the most?”

      Clearly readers of the Telegraph will go to the Telegraph and readers of the Guardian will turn to the Guardian. But these newspapers have a far smaller ‘reach’ than the BBC.

      75% of the public get their news from the BBC. The readerships of the FT or the Times have a far smaller audience.

      So the graph does not show the most trusted at all!

      El bastados!

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      • vlad says:

        You’re right scribblings, the questions and the stats in that BBC survey are all very misleading.

        But the sad fact remains that Brits do, overwhelmingly, trust the Evil Beeb.

        There are many reasons, I can think of a few:

        The wartime broadcasts.
        The residual goodwill from past decades before the rot set in.
        The feelgood factor from shows like Strictly, GBBO, Blue Planet.
        The sheer popularity of soaps like EastEnders etc.
        The mass brainwashing of the sheeple by the beeb, and indeed most other broadcasters whose politics are indirectly dictated by the all-powerful beeb’s.

        All the above translates as affection for and trust in the beeb in general, and transfers to its biased, agenda driven so-called News programmes. The sheeple don’t have the time or the interest to go reading alternative blogs like this one, and mindlessly keep taking the blue pill.

        In fact there is no better metaphor for the beeb than The Matrix: keeps you asleep and enslaved in pleasant dreams while sucking the lifeblood out of you, and, in the beeb’s case, poisoning your mind to boot.
        Evil.
        (My examples of programmes are probably all out of date – I detest all the beeb’s output and never watch, except for Blue Planet on a quiet evening).

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        • scribblingscribe says:

          Thanks for the info Vlad

          Still interesting that the BBC and NHS are only trusted by under 50% of the population despite the incessant propaganda in favour of both.

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    • scribblingscribe says:

      Also …
      The claim at the top of page 10 is “And the BBC is the news source people say that they turn to for impartial news coverage”, followed by the line: “Of all the news sources (TV broadcaster, radio, newspaper, magazine or website), which ONE source are you most likely to turn to if you want impartial news coverage?”

      The BBC is only rated at 50%! Now understand, the BBC is the only news source listed available to everyone (as we all have TVs these days). Yet only 50% trust it for ‘impartial news’.

      Interesting.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      What, you mean by having a former Labour Party Government Minister as Director in charge of Radio (sorry, got his new title wrong the other day) while remaining Director responsible for Strategy & Digital Media?

      Yeah, right …

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  7. Kaiser says:

    The Russians did BREXIT

    Facebook ads

    Facebook said it had looked into activity by Russian accounts.
    It said the identified ads had cost less than $1 (75p) in total to post, and had reached no more than 200 UK-based viewers over four days.

       10 likes

    • GCooper says:

      Nine million pounds was what Cameron spent, ISTR. At least, that was the sum they admitted to. Lord knows what the likes of Goldman Sachs slid under the table to help the cause along.

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  8. ObiWan says:

    I see the BBC, along with 98% of what we still amusingly call the ‘msm’, are beside themselves with glee at the news that a Democrat has managed to win a seat. Champers all round for the comrades! I guess this means the BBC thinks it’s got Trump on the ropes now – POTUS is done for! The Revolution is on its way, brothers and sisters!

    *sigh* I’m going to make even more of an effort than usual (which is quite a lot) to stay away from msm over the next few days. It’s just going to be absolutely insufferable.

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    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Obi,
      It was the Russians that won it for the democraps.
      They ‘fixed’ it.

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      • Kaiser says:

        or it could have been the $500,000 dollars spent in 1 day by a dem company on adverts

        or the adverts that received a cease and desist order

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      • Kaiser says:

        or it could have been the $500,000 dollars spent in 1 day by a dem company on adverts

        or the adverts that received a cease and desist order

        or just finding women to make accusations that will now disappear

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Makes you wonder if Weinstein agreed to be the fall guy to start a domino chain that would eventually take out conservative political leaders & their groupings for the foreseeable, possibly many years into the future?

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  9. StewGreen says:

    Tania Amidi benefit claimant from 22 councils
    #AskingQuestionsIsRacism

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    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Stew,
      That works out at more than twice the average U.K. wage per year.
      It’s almost what an mp gets.
      It’s probably far more than this cheat could earn doing an honest job.
      Crime doesn’t pay?

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      • Kaiser says:

        and why dont we want id cards

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        • Pounce says:

          Because all those ethical latte drinkers who are demanding we become more like Europe, refused to adopt the European habit of everybody owning…ID cards.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Seee how EVERY open borders immigrant brings increased prosperity to this country
      … She spends 4 times more than the average person
      …. on hang one where did her money come from ?

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  10. MarkyMark says:

    The Germans test the new anti-terrorist blocks (walls on bridges) … guess no one thought of doing that …. here are the results … not very effective.


    danke-merkel-written-on-a-road-blockade.jpg

    Full article … gatesofvienna.net {dec2017}

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    • JimS says:

      Yes but the truck isn’t roadworthy any more so the driver can be arrested and the truck impounded by the police!

      The place to put these barriers is at Dover, Heathrow etc. etc.

      Our politicians are either completely mad or corrupt beyond measure. Here is a problem entirely of their making and, as Douglas Murray has asked, ‘what is the end point’?

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  11. fakenewswatcher says:

    It’s been pretty clear for a while now that ‘the Russians elected Trump’ would soon be followed by ‘the Russians did Brexit’.
    I suspect lots more of the same.
    Meanwhile R4 has an interesting week at 9.45 am each day: ‘ Letters from South Africa’. Today we had Panashe Chigumadzi , a refugee from Zimbabwe, telling us why ‘white’ is bad and ‘black’ is good; not in that many words, of course, as she is now a South African as well. One who obviously ascribes SA’s relative strength to black endeavour, and sees herself as more South African than any of the ‘settlers’, who do not ‘identify with the African continent’. ‘Settlers’ , by the way is code for whites; SHE is NOT a settler–clearly, as she is black! So you see, ANY country in Africa belongs to her!
    The big LIE is that whites in SA do not ‘identify’ with Africa; most of them DO, especially Afrikaners. But her point is that NO white could possibly also be an African. This being the BBC, there were other BIG LIES: Chigumadze claims that, in the transition from Apartheid to ‘democracy’, there was NO violence against whites, only blacks. She presumably wasn’t in South Africa when an ‘electioneering’ crowd spilled out from a meeting at a stadium in Johannesburg and went on a rampage, killing whites by the dozen in the houses closest by.
    No word about the hundreds of white farmers who are killed and tortured every year as the ‘transition’ makes ‘progress’. Also, it doesn’t seem to occur to this good lady that this ‘betterness’ of SA, relative to Africa as a whole, may have a very good reason. It may be similar to the reason why Zimbabwe, where she comes from, is suffering from a ‘worseness’. If she would take off her Pan-Africanist glasses and look at history soberly, she may even discover what that is.
    But then, if you already belong to Africa and Africa belongs to you, why bother?

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  12. StewGreen says:

    The ex robber who installed 17 bitcoin machines including one in a a cannabis shop

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  13. StewGreen says:

    R4 now was the Trojan Horse school scandal real ?

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  14. StewGreen says:

    Trans books in primary schools

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  15. StewGreen says:

    Expert spin doctor Lord Bob Kirslake spun the BBC/MSM

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  16. Pounce says:

    I see the bBC is making a huge song and dance about a woman who came over to the UK in 1967 been denied a job as she isn’t classed as a British Citizen:
    Cornwall child migrant refused right to work
    A New Zealand woman who has lived in the UK since 1967 fears for her future after being refused work because of her migrant status. Carol Babbage, 62, who arrived in the UK aged 12 with her New Zealand mother and British stepfather, has indefinite leave to remain in the UK. She served in the British Army, but says she was refused a cleaning job. The Home Office said it was “considering” options available to her and she had not been asked to leave.

    Yet another sob story which allows the bBC to tick the boxes:
    Child migrant: .err she f-ing 62, but then those children allowed in from Calais were’t exactly young either were they?
    Hostile environment: for immigrants had made things harder for many people who had arrived in the UK as children.
    Fears for her right to access the NHS
    Feels humiliated

    Yet the story is about a woman who yes has lived in the UK since 1967, but has kept her New Zealand Passport (Has to be renewed every 10 years) , she has had every opportunity in which to gain British citizenship but hasn’t. Thus in her own eyes she does not she herself as a British citizen, but rather a Kiwi , nothing wrong with that, but if you declare yourself as a citizen of another country which isn’t in the EU, then you have no legal right to complain when you are treated as a …foreign citizen. Funny how the bBC continues to blow the skin flute of its child catcher regards all these so called child migrants. Whislt the bBC complains about that former so called child migrant, here’s another child migrant story the bBC hasn’t mentioned:
    Germany: So called child migrant on murder charges is actually 34

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    • Lefty Wright says:

      Pounce
      To digress slightly from your point. I consider the term “dual citizenship” to be an oxymoron. Where do these people stand in times of conflict? Couldn’t trust ’em an inch could you.

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      • Pounce says:

        LW,
        Thats just it, she doesn’t hold duel citizenship , she only holds a Kiwi passport. Funny whilst checking the GOV UK website on duel citizenships they quote this salient statement:
        As a dual national you can’t get diplomatic help from the British government when you are in the other country where you hold citizenship.

        Funny how so many people complaining about a certain former bBC Iranian woman locked up in her home country (which she only left 10 years ago to go to Uni in the UK) don’t know about that?
        https://www.gov.uk/dual-citizenship

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      • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

        Lefty, I think that the possibility of a war between New Zealand and Britain is somewhat unlikely just at the moment. I was in Wellington a few weeks ago and did not see any noticeable military build-up.

        The issuing of duel nationality is an interesting question at the moment as it seems the British attitude is to give away as many passports as they can. Perhaps it should be restricted to countries with the the Queen as head of state.

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  17. Al Shubtill says:

    Isn’t this great! Never mind the quality, feel the diversity.

    http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/cambridges-massive-new-mosque-taking-14028727

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    • G says:

      Al,
      No mention of Saudi Arabia in the information on donors.

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      It’s sickening. I used to love Cambridge. One of my favourite cities in England. I could see years ago from the University book shops that the students were studying Islamic finance. The article has a “click to donate”. As if the Arabs don’t have enough wealth to finance their own invasion.

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  18. G says:

    http://newobserveronline.com/uk-20000-muslim-terrorist-suspects-but-pm-warns-of-right-wing/

    Merriam Webster: “Definition of army –
    plural armies
    1 a : a large organized body of armed personnel trained for war especially on land
    b : a unit capable of independent action and consisting usually of a headquarters, two or more corps, and auxiliary troops
    c often capitalized : the complete military organization of a nation for land warfare
    2 : a great multitude an army of birds
    3 : a body of persons organized to advance a cause”

    I think 1a and 3 fits perfectly. And who let this ‘Army’ of savages into the country? Whisper your replies please just in case the Thought Police overhear you or you are referred to them by a concerned citizen who did overhear you.

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  19. Guest Who says:

    In other news… I had thought Amol had handed over the BBC priority banner to Kamal, but maybe not:

    http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/follow-money.html

    ‘Is this piece part of his pitch to succeed James Harding, by which he might expect to earn over £300k ? Or will he take the presenter route to increased dosh ?”

    Who can say? £300k… or more? Dilemmas abound.

    But a nice wedge at 34… just a child really.

    http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/compliant.html

    Get Kamal back on ‘fake news’ trust building pronto.

    http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/fight.html

    Botney-flavoured popcorn. Yum. I wonder if the BBC has lost interest?

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  20. Sluff says:

    Can anyone remember the last time the BBC had as its first item on a news programme, the results of an election for an American Senate vacant position?
    Anyone would think the BBC editors hate Trump. But I’m sure that cannot be the case, because, as we know, they are completely impartial.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Sluff, funny thing I thought the same thought this morning. It’s not even a regular election, either.

      They are not really bringing us regular news of Angela Merkel’s attempts to form a Government in Germany.

      Maybe if they had been a bit more EU-centric we would not have opted to Leave in such large numbers.

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  21. Beeb Brother says:

    There is a whole section on the BBC news website for terror trials. That says it all. Celebrate that diversity!

    They might as well just go for a full-on Terror channel. They aim for an increasingly diverse output and this is one area where we hideous whites are under respresented.

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    • Lefty Wright says:

      Beeb Bro
      Do you think the BBC view the Incompetents as a social class that must be represented? They sure seem to employ quite a lot of them. In fact you could say that they are over represented.

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  22. CranbrookPhil says:

    That creep Jeremy Hardy given another half hour series to trot out his marxist bigotry again on Radio 4. The 6.30 slot should be called the daily Labour party propaganda output, it is pretty far removed from comedy. With the exception of Monday, that still seems funny & free from BBC mind-bending.

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  23. taffman says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42329118
    Sound like Parliament got a final say on Brexit by four votes?
    MPs are out of touch with the people of Great Britain – Not very good , not very good at all. They will sell us down the river.
    Shame on them.
    What was the whole point in the referendum?

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    • Guest Who says:

      Four? Out of sick hundred plus? Rematch!

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    • wronged says:

      Tory TRAITORS. Absolutely disgusted with them.
      Never mind, one step closer to WTO.

      Now the rebels have smelled the blood they will go for more.
      This is just the start.

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    • Dave S says:

      WE need to be clear on this. Cameron promised a referendum and then parliament agreed to hold one . The question was a stay or go with no room for misinterpretation. The deal was that then whatever was decided would be implemented as we the voters had given our instructions to parliament. WE are sovereign and I am sick and tired of the scumbags that try to twist this around to make parliament sovereign. This is a mirror of the 1642 crisis except it is us versus parliament not parliament versus the king.
      Gieve is a patsy put up there along with Soubry to force a more than compliant May to agree to a vote and we all know where that will go,.
      The position in my mind is clear. Once again our ruling class has decided to shaft us. Always did and always will.
      Remember Wat Tyler struck down when he thought he had safe conduct. The only reason the 1832 Reform Act passed was because this class of absolute trash (sorry that is what they are) were really scared.
      They will need to be scared again or we will be forced to stay in the EU and that is on it’s way to a tyranny that is so alien to our way of life that there can be no compromise.
      Once again we are on our own in this and it is up to us. Our vile greedy ruling class is at heart contemptuous of us the people and always was. We need to make it an ancien regime and make it afraid.
      Yes I am prepared to see Corbyn in power for betrayal is the worst of crimes and the Tory party is guilty of it and needs to pay a real price. What happens then is just unknowable .

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      • Oaknash says:

        Dave – It is interesting how ALL of the papers are still congratulating Sharia on her great Euro Victory which will leave us as vassals to the EU (with EU Citizens in this country given more rights than our own citizens) and which in effect is paying Daneguild to help support this bloated organisation of Euro crooks for years and years to come.

        All these media outlets strike me like fawning parents and grandparents applauding a “puppet show” given by their spoilt 8 year old. Everyone is clapping despite it being crap as they dont want to upset their little darling and no-one wants to be the first to point out the obvious (ie its crap). The child of course (in its heart) also knows its puppet “show” is rubbish but continues anyway because it is getting praise and its ego is getting inflated for what amounts to bugger all effort.

        Talking of puppets. Sharia certainly seems pretty pleased with herself on this one . Everyone in her puppet show is playing their part perfectly – even down to the “rebels” who by objecting to her “deal” appear to lend it credibility and if they dont object to it we get Sharias Euro sell out anyway.

        No I am afraid that this cynical woman has stitched us all up a treat, The worrying thing is – a dose of Corbyn is just the worse of two bad alternatives. In truth under Sharia there is little difference these days between both parties. I suppose the only difference being that Corbyn favours a more rapid destruction of our culture and society than Sharia. But in effect they are both travelers on the same road which leads to the same destination.

        Unfortunately I see no one of any real character in the Tory party who is truly willing to put their principles above their careers. I suspect the only way to make these patrician spivs to actually start listening to us is (as in the poll tax riots) if the bricks start flying and we start to physically threaten their cosy little existence. Unfortunately we still seem a long way from that point – people seemingly in denial and quite happy to believe that our woeful “Prime” Minister is actually looking after our interests rather than her own and of course the EU globalists.

        As for me with no current viable alternative party it is time to start following my heart. And I certainly think A M Walters “For Britain” party may well have some real possibilities. Having said that I would be a liar if I denied that I wont be getting itchy fingers next time I walk next to a brickyard and Theresas limo goes past!

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        • Kaiser says:

          im sat here considering joining AMW

          thoughts of you good people that i trust?

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          • Oaknash says:

            My reasoning Kaiser – is that AMW seems to be more interested in representing “working people” especially in enriched areas as well as being strong on the EU.

            Unfortunately these days UKIP has allowed itself to be portrayed as a single issue party with no internal discipline. It also seems shit scared to actually discuss enrichment in case it is seen as waycist.

            The stupid thing is the msm have branded it a “far right”/waycist party anyway.

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            • Lobster says:

              Wouldn’t it be great to have a political party who followed the Donald Trump idea of not giving a flying f**k what the media think of them

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          • SpinningReith says:

            Kaiser,
            I respect (most!) of the opinions expressed on this site and hope contributors will forgive me if I seem too party political.
            I mentioned AMW on here recently.
            I joined For Britain on the basis of (as I said previously) who else is there?
            I’ve seen her in action at UKIP hustings and other events and am quite impressed.
            But don’t take my word for it . Have a look at her videos on the For Britain website. I think the launch proper will begin early 2018.
            I think we’re being stuffed by the powers that be, the ROP (the power that soon will be) aided and abetted by the bBBC and other media, and I’m spitting rivets over it.

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  24. Guest Who says:

    “Popcorn R Us? I have an order…”

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  25. Dover Sentry says:

    May has sunk Brexit, opened the door to Labour and barred the leader of the western world.

    What’s her next act of sabotage?

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    • Kaiser says:

      Amnesty and citizenship for every illegal?

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      • Kaiser says:

        timely here it is
        vote

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        • Oaknash says:

          In my opinion Kaiser it doesnt really matter anymore as what Sharia negotiated was total surrender.
          If remainers in parliament vote to stop brexit – then we get no brexit.
          If Sharias “big deal” goes through – still no brexit

          Basically she has shafted us all.

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  26. vlad says:

    Black voters overwhelmingly picked Mr Jones
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42343054

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    • Lobster says:

      Why are black and asian voters able to vote on racial lines without any problem, but when whites do the same they are racist bigots?

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  27. Franglais says:

    I am so angry about this vote and the treacherous behaviour by the rebels, that I just sent a PM to the main instigator….will probably get my collar felt!!

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  28. wronged says:

    Rebel Heidi Allen Tory MP said that she had no respect for her Ministers,which incidentally includes the PM, on the Daily Politics programme today.

    Brillo had her in trouble and then let her off the hook.

    Why is she still a Tory MP? For goodnes sake sack her.

    Tories please respond.

    Given these 12 tory rebels voted against the Tory party in such an important vote, in supporting the Labour Party, who do Tories vote for in the rebels constitutencies, in the next election? There will not be a Tory candidate.

    12 rebels
    Traitors to their party and traitors to the country.
    Deselect them-now.

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    • Kaiser says:

      my pitchfork is now gleaming and razor sharp

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      • Oaknash says:

        Mine too Kaiser. Though I understand that in the battle of Stalingrad many Russian soldiers didnt bother with bayonets they often used a sharpened spade instead – nasty!

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        • theisland says:

          Military coup (if we had any troops).

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          • Oaknash says:

            The military are probably still onside – despite our Governments insistence on feminising them and making them all guilty of “war crimes” if they ever actually dare to shoot a terrorist. The police on the other hand – these days have no loyalty to the people and unfortunately could not now be trusted – The seem more interested in prosecuting bacon crime than rape and assault if the perpetrators are a certain religion.

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    • popeye says:

      I just mailed my MP – first time ever

      Dear Ms Fernandes,
      I feel, for the first time in my life, sufficiently infuriated to write to my MP about politics. I am very appreciative of the fact that you are a Brexiteer and I greatly respect you for that

      Since 1965 I have voted in every General and Local Election and without fail I have voted Conservative. I fear that I may now have to change that dedication because the Establishment and the Party has, I feel, stabbed me and my ilk in the back. I socialise with many people and without exception we all feel that there is an “aristocracy” of the privileged which is playing us like fools, determined to maintain their way of life at the expense of democracy. Indeed, we feel that this has been happening for many years (we can see not a fag-paper between Cameron, Clegg and Blair). Membership of the EU has only, it seems, given them a bigger playground and opportunities to feather nests and further to minimise the power of the British voter.

      I once voted UKIP at the Euro elections, purely to send a message to the Conservative Party that they could not take me for granted. Despite the success of UKIP in that election they choose not to heed the warning, comfortable in the poor state of that party. However, there is such an underswell of feeling that I am aware of, I fear that an alternative party will arise that will take the vote of many like me but, almost certainly, not enough to get power. Our FPTP system mitigates against sensible coalitions and it would lead to a Labour government.
      However, not even that monstrous event would have me vote for a party, the Conservatives (and Liberals), which is blatantly attempting to thwart the will of the people.

      I would really prefer to vote for you due to your stance on the subject (and career in Parliament so far) but if it takes 5 years (if they were to last that long) of Marxist rule to keep us out of Europe then so be it.
      What is needed is for constituency parties to start applying pressure NOW on the Remainers. There are massive pressures out there, particularly in the Media (the BBC are prominent here) yet still I am sure the majority of thinking people, outside of North London, want out.

      We unanimously feel that the whole thing is a charade, with the pretence of democracy, to keep us in a bureaucratic nightmare designed to benefit the Liberal Elite.

      This may not be your only message tonight and I hope you can pass on the feelings we have to Central Office

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  29. wronged says:

    There were 12 Conservative rebels who helped bring about the government defeat tonight, according to the Commons Voting app.

    The 12 traitors to both Country and Party are: Heidi Allen, Ken Clarke, Jonathan Djanogly, Dominic Grieve, Stephen Hammond, Sir Oliver Heald, Nicky Morgan, Robert Neill, Antoinette Sandbach, Anna Soubry, John Stevenson and Sarah Wollaston.

    Tax dodger Stephen Hammond was subsequently sacked as the Conservative party vice-chairman after the vote

    Labour MPs who voted with the government over amendment 7 were Frank Field and Kate Hoey.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      I will back the people’s decision! {23jun2016}
      I quit! {24jun2016}

      Enough is enough! {04jun2017}
      *tumbleweed* {05jun2017}
      *tumbleweed* {today – 04dec2017}

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    • Demon says:

      I used to live in Djanogly’s constituency. I asked him a couple of times about his position on Europe and his reply was “We want to be in Europe but not run by Europe.” Voting this way proves he is a dirty, stinking, hypocritical LIAR!!!

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  30. Synchronised says:

    Compare Stephen Hammond who says he voted on a matter of principle to vote against the govt. to Frank Field whom I consider a true man of principle. Which one would you buy a drink for. If this parliament and I mean parliament screws this up then they had better not send me another ballot paper in my lifetime.

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  31. wronged says:

    Here’s a good BBC joke

    Traitor Nicky Morgan is the guest tomorrow on Question Time representing the Conservative Party.

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  32. fakenewswatcher says:

    Laura K crowing. What a surprise. She says the will of the Lords now strengthened. Well, I’m glad the unelected Lords are more important than 14million + voters. Just for a minute there I thought it must somehow be the other way around in this ‘democracy’. Goes to show what happens when the rabble start thinking. Glad their lordships will be there to put us in our places. Now, where is my stinking nightcap…?

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  33. fakenewswatcher says:

    Laura K crowing. What a surprise. She says the will of the Lords now strengthened. Well, I’m glad the unelected Lords are more important than 14million + voters. Just for a minute there I thought it must somehow be the other way around in this ‘democracy’. Goes to show what happens when the rabble start thinking. Glad their lordships will be there to put us in our places. Now, where is my stinking nightcap…?
    (Just finished watching a CNN film on how the ‘autocratic dictator’, Putin, sorted out the filthy rabble. PRAVDA anyone?)

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Outcome of the European Union Referendum – Motion to Take Note 05Jul2016
      “I was devastated but not shocked; I was hardly even surprised. I do not think that any of them are in the Chamber now but there were Members of this House who, two or three weeks before the referendum, told me they had not met a single person advocating Brexit. That applied to others in the London-based elite outside this Parliament and it indicates, perhaps at the extreme end, the difficulties of us in Westminster relating to what was going on in the country.
      {theyworkforyou.com // Lord Whitty Chair // EU Internal Market Sub-Committee }

      – One Lord saying how they don’t relate to the people after EU Referendum result.

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  34. Dover Sentry says:

    British democracy has been shot to bits.

    The action of MPs today rivals that of a corrupt, despotic and unaccountable third world government.

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  35. Sluff says:

    Readers feeling they have not been exposed to enough news about the Grenfell Tower fire this week will no doubt be relieved to know that the 6 month anniversary memorial service of the fire is
    being held tomorrow in St Pauls Cathedral, and will be televised live on BBC 1.

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    • vlad says:

      6 months? I say we need daily memorial services in perpetuity, with lots of hate thrown at the Tories who are entirely responsible in ways never made clear.

         11 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      I would have thought that the Regent’s Park Mosque would have been a more suitable location.

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  36. vlad says:

    “Terrorism not a ‘systemic threat’ to UK says former MI6 head”
    Speaking exclusively to Newsnight, the former head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove said terrorism did not present a “systemic threat” to the UK and that the media had overreacted to terror incidents.
    …Sir Richard told Newsnight’s Evan Davis that, “the chances of getting caught up in a terrorist attack… are relatively low”.
    Where else but News-shite.

    1 wet ex-head of MI6 + Evan Davis + News-shite = A 3-way marriage made in hell.
    I wonder if he’d be saying the same if his daughter had been blown to bits or mutilated in Manchester.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42345888/terrorism-not-a-systemic-threat-to-uk-says-former-mi6-head

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    • scribblingscribe says:

      “the chances of getting caught up in a terrorist attack… are relatively low” – did he add, but they are growing, and will do so, year in, year out, decade in, decade out?

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      • vlad says:

        Correct, scribbling. And right on cue we have another couple of charmers from the Religion of War, see Post lower down…

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      In a way he’s right. Any one terrorist attack will kill at most a few dozen people. The coming islamification of Britain, on the other hand, will enslave millions. Is that what he’s getting at? If only.

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      • vlad says:

        Rob: You’re right, unless they get their hands on some serious weapons, e.g. nuclear or ‘dirty’ bombs.
        You’re also right that the even worse threat is of islamization, which goes on apace, day and night,
        tick – tock.
        tick.
        tock.

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        • Kaiser says:

          “former MI6 head” whats the chance’s that this guy is actually allowed to carry a gun?

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    • ID says:

      Vlad
      Usually Newsshite rolls out Sir Richard Barret ex-head of MI6 World Wide terrorism to put the same relativising points. They have obviously gotten tired of the former stooge-in-residence.
      I’m not quite sure what he means by “systemic”. As a threat it does affect the whole of society and so is “systemic”. Maybe he meant a “strategic threat”. At present, it is true to say muslim terrorism does not present a threat of the same magnitude as the Soviet Union during the cold war. However, even the Pew Research Center is predicting that the muslim population of Europe could rise to between 7% and 16% by 2050. A third of the muslim population is under 25 so the potential for expansion is very large.
      The security services are now tracking 20,000 martyrs in spe, – pro rata this could rise to 60,000. The British army is planning a strength of 82,000 by 2020. Essentially, Britain will be fighting a internal clandestine army by 2050. To say that this is not a strategic threat is absurd – especially when you realise that by 2050 the main British cities will have become mini-caliphates.

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  37. Pounce says:

    WTF:

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  38. fakenewswatcher says:

    REBELS. WHY? WHY? Don’t they understand the difference between REPRESENTATIVE democracy and DIRECT democracy?
    Or do they merely PRETEND not to? So simple. In the referendum DIRECT democracy bypasses, as it were, parliament – our REPRESENTATIVES- and gives THE PEOPLE a direct say about a decision. That is THE WHOLE POINT. Otherwise there would have been no point in having a referendum, if parliament always has the final say.
    If they don’t understand, they shouldn’t be there. If they PRETEND not to, well that’s different. WHAT then, is their ulterior motive? To be in the limelight? To sock it to us peasants? To put Corbyn into power? WHY are they making mischief?
    As for the UNELECTED Lords, what can one say that isn’t very rude? They are going to SCRUTINISE the commons decisions. WHAT FOR? ISN’T ONE LAYER OF UNDEMOCRATIC sanction over the VOTERS enough? DO WE NEED TWO? The unelected as well as the incapable? HOW MUCH SCORN do they feel for the people? HOW BIG must their contempt be? All that CHARADE by the ‘HONOURABLE’ and the ‘NOBLE’? Are they not EMBARRASED?
    Do that not realise that that very pompous charade is an expression of fundamental INEQUALITY? Why is our ‘representative democracy’ so much, in its form (and now also in its explicit expression re BREXIT) a complete NEGATION of what it pretends to stand for? FAIRNESS? DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH!
    Please WRITE to them! THEY NEED TO HEAR FROM US PEASANTS! Make their ears ring…

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    • Dave S says:

      Just ask these traitors where they think ultimate sovereignty resides – with us or them . Tom Paine settled the matter in the 18th century and the Americans kicked George 111 and our Parliament out of America because of it.
      This is our ruling class at it’s naked worst. Greedy and cowardly and with no principles at all.

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

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    • ID says:

      What is even more galling is the sudden enthusiasm for the sovreignty of parliament that turds in human form like Grieve have suddenly discovered and the sudden obsession with scrutinising legislation that has seized them. This fervour has been sorely lacking in the House of Quislings for the last forty years when MPs gave away their own sovreignty, and so ours, with gay abandon to the EU. MPs did not complain about not being allowed to scrutinise or modify EU legislation which was directly imposed on the British people by Brussels.
      It is only by Brexiting that they will regain full parliamentary sovreignty. The German BBCs are in no doubt that the “rebels” are a pro-EU faction. The original Quisling helped a foreign power run Norway against the wishes of the Norwegian people. The British Quislings are just as determined to collaborate with the EU in running Britain against the wishes of the people.

         11 likes

  39. taffman says:

    We need a new Leader .
    Tip ………………………..
    Check out the background of the Tory traitors and are there any with a vestige interested?

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  40. vlad says:

    “Terrorism not a ‘systemic threat’ to UK says former MI6 head” on News-shite.

    Meanwhile in a nearby court : “Jail for couple who plotted UK terror attack.”

    A couple who used a life-like dummy and a combat knife to plot a UK terror attack have been jailed.
    Madihah Taheer, 22, encouraged Ummar Mirza by telling him before they were married that “I want you to kill ppl for me. I have a list”.
    In messages to each other, Mirza, 21, said he wanted to stab someone 27 times, to which Taheer replied that “sounds so satisfying”.

    Let us hope they weren’t going to stab a former head of MI6, 27 times. Or a News-shite presenter.
    That would be awful.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jail-for-couple-who-plotted-uk-terror-attack/ar-BBGHFWB

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    • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

      Also another person found guilty of terrorism which as yet only made the regional news (“Sheffield and South Yorkshire” & “Leeds & West Yorkshire”). This person comes from a family of terrorists.
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42342319

      I have followed the BBC website for over 6 months now and more or less have worked out the little tricks etc they employ in pushing what only can be described as propaganda. Maybe I will start looking at other institutions – Parliament, Local Councils, Education, Schools, University, Police Service, Law Courts … the BBC is not operating in isolation.

         9 likes

  41. wronged says:

    fakenewswatcher,
    It’s the constituency committee’s of the rebel MP’s that pressure needs to be applied. It is they who are responsible for helping to select these traitorous grandstandng, self important idiots. They are accountable. Write to them and ask them to justify their lack of patriotism in supporting their elected MP.

    You never know they might just do the honourable thing and deselect the rebels in disgrace.
    I wouldn’t hold my breath though.

    Dependig on the agitation from the Lord’s and commons, an election is no longer out of the question.

    Are you proud of yourselves Grieve,Morgan and Soubry. This is your chance to let Corbyn run the country.

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  42. wronged says:

    Dominic Grieve is president of the Franco-British Society. He was awarded the Legion of Honour in 2016. He broadcasts in French on French radio and television.

    Grieve’s wealth is estimated at £3.1 million. Grieve was criticised for investments in multinational companies with significant projects in Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe.

    The immoral, anti British traitor, Dominic Grieve.

       16 likes

    • taffman says:

      wronged
      Bingo !
      There must be others ?

         5 likes

      • wronged says:

        Stephen Hammond is a paid adviser to Inmarsat. The company is listed on the London Stock Exchange and is a constituent of the FTSE 250 Index and a financial and technical sponsor of Télécoms Sans Frontières.

        A serial tax dodger and abuser of public funds

           7 likes

  43. taffman says:

    “Terrorism not a ‘systemic threat’ to UK says former MI6 head”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42345888/terrorism-not-a-systemic-threat-to-uk-says-former-mi6-head
    OR ????
    MI5 boss Andrew Parker warns of ‘intense’ terror threat
    So, who do we listen to ?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41655488

       9 likes

  44. vlad says:

    Oh look, another Religionist of Peace plotting to murder us (and buried by the Beebistan as deep as poss in Regions – they have virtually become accessories in crime).

    What’s that the ex-head of MI6 was saying – not a ‘systemic threat’?

    You have to love this one’s alibi, he’s got a sense of humour:

    “Mohammed Abbas Idris Awan, originally from Huddersfield, was arrested after buying 500 ball bearings online.
    The 24-year-old, who told police that he was a keen fisherman and was researching hunting with a catapult, had denied preparing for an act of terrorism.
    He was convicted at Sheffield Crown Court.
    His brother Rizwan Awan, 27, killed 30 people in a bomb blast in Iraq in 2016.”

    The judge should have said, ‘that sounds like a load of balls to me, young Mohammed’.

    (His brother was presumably researching fishing using explosives.)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42342319

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  45. vlad says:

    Gone fishin’

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  46. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
    Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
    Everybody knows the war is over
    Everybody knows the good guys lost
    Everybody knows the fight was fixed
    The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
    That’s how it goes
    Everybody knows

    Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
    Everybody knows that the captain lied
    Everybody got this broken feeling
    Like their father or their dog just died
    Everybody talking to their pockets
    Everybody wants a box of chocolates
    And a long-stem rose
    Everybody knows

    –Leonard Cohen

       8 likes

  47. Lucy Pevensey says:

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    • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

      Thanks for that Lucy. I am pleased to see that a list and photos of the traitors have been published. May their names live in infamy.

         7 likes

  48. maxincony says:

    Pensioner jailed for 11 years over historic child abuse cases
    Owen Hollern, 70, was sentenced at the High Court in Glasgow earlier today after being found guilty of a number of assaults on children in the Dumbarton area in the 1970s.

    http://tinyurl.com/ybsuu6q4

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       3 likes

    • Pounce says:

      Max is that your uncle

         5 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        Ah I see Maxi is has chosen to list WHITE paedophiles
        I guess he’s trying to show us, that in a traditional British community when people go bad and start breaking such morals, their own society is quick to recognise a problem and dob them in.
        Whereas in in hard core dogmatic religious cultures say with Islam or Catholic church schools people are so afraid of rocking the boat, that they don’t do the right thing and so such things are NOT closed down and prosecuted by the authorities.
        ..And that indeed such traditional British authorities themselves can become corrupted by placing concern about “racial harmony” above justice for the victims.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        I’m thinking our maxi is of the same background as those northern minicab driving paedo rape gangs . Maxi -mate you of the Religion Of peace ? I like to make personal declarations about myself when I comment here – I am not of the ROP . I am of the one true religion ( in my opinion ) .So what are you maxi – I’m not waiting for your 0400 comment. But will read it in the morning…?

        The stats the other day said 84 per cent are of dusky asian Muslim background. If this comment enables any reader to label fedup as a racist – a fuck – I don’t care.

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  49. maxincony says:

    Former Birmingham PC admits child abuse image charges
    PC James Duffield, 34, pleaded guilty to making 72 category A images of a child between December 2013 and August 2017.

    http://tinyurl.com/yads7w58

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  50. maxincony says:

    Coalville child sex abuser who indecently touched young girls jailed
    A 41-year-old man from Coalville has been jailed after admitting two counts of sexually touching young girls.

    http://tinyurl.com/y839tl3u

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