MID WEEK OPEN THREAD….

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  1. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Beat you to it Brissles.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      EG.. lol !
      Bugger – I’ll have to set the alarm clock earlier !

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    • Jerry Owen says:

      I find it easier to come a close second or third by tagging onto the ‘reply’ option!.. until someone else tags on the ‘reply’ to the above!

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  2. nofanofpoliticians says:

    Its been tough, but have managed to avoid all BBC coverage of the Labour moderates’ surrender at Brighton. I bet its been a right ole BBC celebration of the newly adopted Corbyn Cult, formerly known as the Labour Party.

    I’m wondering to what extent the message is reaching non-members and cultists, and whether the voter at large is hunkering down and simply keeping schtoom at all the nonsense coming out of the conference hall or whether they have bought into it, but I imagine I wouldn’t be able to tell. Certainly can’t from SkyNews reporting.

    #worryingtimes

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    • Up2snuff says:

      nfop, sure was! Another piece of evidence of possible BBC pro-Labour bias was heard at approx. 8.20am with Mishal Husain speaking ‘very warmly’ on R4’s TODAY Programme about the Party conference. Listen again on iPlayer.

      Hmmmn …..

      … it will be very interesting to hear the tone used for the Conservative Party conference.

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      • Cassandra says:

        I wrote this this morning after I heard it, I think it’s worth reading again.

        Radio 4 Today 6.45am……Mishel Hussain starts a new report with, “Jeremy will address the conference today…”.
        Impartial?

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        • [email protected] says:

          Dang, you’re good, Cassandra! Excellent ear….

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Cassandra, bit of a giveaway, isn’t it? That’s the trouble with radio at times. It provides a lot more information to the careful listener than speakers expect.

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        • Oaknash says:

          I heard this too Cassandra – But did not mention it as I thought my ears were playing tricks on me!

          Mishel – Dont you think youre getting just a little bit too cosy with ” Oh Jeremy” these days

          Whats that you say Mishel – “No because the BBC and the left are now one and the same, professionalism is so very, very yesterday darlings and besides my bosses said they will be cool with it because these days we are all working for the same end anyway”

          Oh OK Mishel thats alright then!

          Its funny sometimes that is the little things that make the biggest noise!

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Apparently comrade Robinson is delivering a lecture for the first Steve Hewlett commemoration tomorrow night . Apparently there is a lot of albeeb navel gazing about the young and others bi passing albeeb another’s to get their news / info from other sources .

        One issue seems to be that msm won’t give air time to views it doesn’t follow . As I live and breath they need a speech for that !!

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    • Fedup2 says:

      I didn’t bother as I could guess the left al beeb love in so I’m guessing the anti Corbin part of the socialist party have been packed away . They normally roll out Kinnock and an ‘ elder statesman ” of the party like Hattie or some other Blair babe . Not this time eh?

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  3. Fedup2 says:

    No fan,
    I’ve avoided it too – haven’t listen to much Toady programme but today felt like a celebration of the new labour government under that wonderful statesman – Corbin . Next week will be a mournful expression of splits and fights to give fellow socialists and remainers.

    I notice £650k pa Humphrey’s take a new line when chatting to a cheese eating surrender monkey (French enemy) asking when the conditions will be right for our return to the EU.

    Perhaps that’s the new line. Assume we will actually leave but immediately agitate like 6th formers for our inevitable return to the EU and thus the EU army and Euro. Then the eureich army can run Barbarossa again and get Russia invaded before the winter sets in.

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    • NCBBC says:

      Without American help, the EU army will not get any further then the Rhine. And with having to stock up on “all gender” items, there wont be much space in an armoured personnel carrier for any shells.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        NC,
        Ha ha I know – I think the cause of the next European civil war will be the argument between the krauts and the frogs over which language will be EU speak now that we are withdrawing our language from them .

        I joke because 27 countries could never decide whether to go to war . The Russian army would be paddling in the English Channel first .

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        • charmbrights says:

          Fedup2 – That isn’t a joke. The infighting in the old EEC about languages to use in certan technical sessions had to be heard to be believed. When simultaneous translation was not provided English was most common but the French always tried to insist on French. I was never asked to use German. The best we got on where there was a problem was each using his(her) preferred tongue.

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          • nofanofpoliticians says:

            Fedup… I think the play with regard to Brexit cancellation lies within the transition period which ends (as you know) in 2021, theoretically.

            Won’t take much to get to 2021 and the powers that be say we’re not ready. All of a sudden we’re into 2022 and the next GE becomes a 2nd Referendum.

            Is that a plan?

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          • Fedup2 says:

            Charm
            I disagree – I believe it is joke – I am fully aware of the language issue having had the misfortune of having to study EU competition law at post grad. Which is why I am also amused by al beeb and others accusing me of being ill informed about understanding Brexit .

            And no fan,
            I do worry about the electorate being worn down by transition which might make the economy shaky as a ressession sets in due to the economic cycle – int rates or oil rising

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    • [email protected] says:

      Funny you should mention that inevitable return…Mr. Macron of France has a plan for that, I believe. ..

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  4. gaxvil says:

    I can’t prove that the US sticking a draconian import tax on Canadian Bombardier jets, part built in Ireland and the UK providing over 1000 jobs, has anything to do with anything Trudeau, Khan and May etc., said about Trump.
    They are such f*****g idiots to think that they can pour vitriol on a country’s President and there could never be consequences.
    May did make a call to Trump on the matter and voilà.

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    • Clare says:

      There have always been elements in the US who believe that they have a God given right to supply the rest of the world with aircraft.

      I don’t think it’s anything new.

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      • gaxvil says:

        Maybe so but Airbus get on fine.

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      • GCooper says:

        Clare is quite right. The history of the British aircraft industry post WWII is a depressing study. Effectively, it was wiped out by US muscle power (often applied corruptly) and the usual government ineptitude from our own side.

        The attack on Bombardier by the US is symptomatic of what goes on is US courts on a daily basis, where US companies are allowed to get away with murder and foreign competitors are routinely disadvantaged and discriminated against.

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        • Rob in Cheshire says:

          The story of the Avro Arrow is similarly depressing. When the Canadian government cancelled it, they virtually wiped out the Canadian aerospace industry. Now what is left may be destroyed, and with it many jobs in Northern Ireland.

          It’s a good thing the Prime Ministers of Britain and Canada have not spent the last nine months lecturing the President of the United States about how he is wrong about everything. Now would be a good time to use some of that goodwill they must have built up with him to try and get this problem sorted.

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          • Clare says:

            That’s interesting. I recall being told some time ago that Canada had also been on the receiving end but I didn’t know the details.

            So far as Airbus is concerned, I recall American accusations of European subsidies, ignoring indirect subsidies to Boeing through military contracts.

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          • gaxvil says:

            Rob, you are being sarcastic, surely?
            “It’s a good thing the Prime Ministers of Britain and Canada have not spent the last nine months lecturing the President of the United States about how he is wrong about everything.”

            Trump, I think, is well aware of our state backed broadcaster, the Mayor of our capitol, our MPs etc., etc..

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            • Rob in Cheshire says:

              Pinheads like Trudeau, May and Khan think they can disrespect the President and there will be no consequences.

              President Trump is half-British, he was ready to be our best friend, and all he got was snide lectures about how he was “wrong” about everything. Imagine the response Trudeau or May will get if they pick up the phone now and try to talk to the President. As for the pathetic prick Khan, I doubt the President would even take his call.

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              • MarkyMark says:

                I believe, in my opinion, that we have looked for greatness in the mundane. Trying to make everyone winners, means we all lose. Irony in the most profound sense.

                Lets take a quick look at who is empowered in the world … this list is not exhaustive, but gives you a good indication of what the World’s political landscape looks like …

                Canada Justin Trudeau sets World Record In avoiding questions – 18 Times – wastes everyone’s time in Parliament

                Mugabe (President of Zimbabwe since 1987) farts at summit (has also been found sleeping in Parliament, he was 89 years at the time, still holding onto power at 93)

                Krystyna Pawlowicz, a Polish MP from the ruling Eurosceptic PiS party, has written a letter to Jean-Claude Juncker (President of the European Commission), accusing him of “alcohol dependency” … Juncker apparently took a nap in the Vatican during the celebration of the EU’s 60th anniversary

                Diane Abbott (Shadow Home Secretary – UK Security) not read a major report (Harris Report) on London Attacks. Won her seat with 75% in GE2017.

                Now go and read or watch some of these people …

                Douglas Murray, Thomas Sowell, Andrew Breitbart, Carl Sagan, Thomas Paine, Christopher Hitchens, George Orwell, Mark Steyn, Trey Gowdy.

                “We were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed. By great men. (link opens video)“

                {old post}

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                • Rick Bradford says:

                  Add Jordan Peterson, Jonathan Haidt, Stephen Hicks, Thomas diLorenzo to that must-watch list.

                  The other way to say: “Trying to make everyone winners, means we all lose” is “When everyone’s somebody, then nobody’s anybody.

                  If every schoolkid gets A+ on their A-levels, then the entire point of exams is destroyed. Which of course is the way that the SJW activists want it.

                  Being losers as they are, they naturally want to level the playing field, which actually means tilting it against the majority of ordinary people.

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    • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

      Donald Trump – the real person, that you can never get from the BBC, is very shrewd & worked out May early on – when he criticised her publicly after he had seen May talking with a BBC correspondent – who later in a joint news conference with the President, fed May a question, intended for May’s imagined home audience, offering May the chance to criticise Donald Trump on some perceived Trump policy or comment.

      That incident was during Theresa May’s first visit to Washington as Prime-Minister. Mr Trump responding to that question from the BBC stooge inferred that Theresa May was a back-stabber – saying one thing to your face and doing another thing in private.

      And that is exactly one of the personality traits of Theresa May that can be ascertained from reading stuff that people who know her have written. And this is one of the reasons why Theresa May is not a good leader.

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  5. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I’ve seen the figure of £10 billion being quoted as our payment to the eu for our pension liabilities.

    Why not tell them we will pay our own mep’s pensions instead of handing such a huge sum over to them.
    What sort of pension for a few hundred workers has a pension pot of £10,000,000,000.00
    What do each of them get a year? £500,000?
    Puts my £6,000 into perspective, especially as the bbc keep telling me that nurses (on a minimum of £24,000) have to use food banks to exist.

    If you include this £10 billion to the £20 billion that May couldn’t offer quick enough that now becomes £30 billion and I’m sure there will be lots more billions the eu will demand.
    They really want to screw us for as much as possible. Some ‘friends’ eh!

    If only places like the bbc would give true impartial news we would get another 20-30% of the population behind us leavers but they only want to show their eu loving/UK hating spin of the news.

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  6. Synchronised says:

    If ever a split in the Conservative party is justified it must surely be know. Boris, JRM, Redwood and all other high profile politicos and business leaders must get together and have a concerted campaign to put an end to this farce. I couldn’t give a flying f%$* if it postpones their future careers, they need to realise this needs to be done now. May has become a traitor while holding the highest office in this country and needs to be stopped now.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Sync ,

      Amazed how quickly opinion can turn against a politician – she can’t lead her two parties for much longer because she can’t run an election campaign to save her political life

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Synch & Fed, I think May has to make a serious attempt to deliver Brexit now otherwise anything less will lead to a Party fight, her loss of leadership and a successor (doesn’t matter who) unable to carry on without calling a GE to justify their Premiership. That will open up the risk of a Corbyn-led Labour getting into No.10.

        Think the Tories will try to spin this out all the way to 2022. That was the view on the TODAY (that’s twice this Thread without a typo?!!!) Programme this a.m. and I agree.

        1. There will be trouble at constituency level in getting out canvassers for those Ministers and others who were ‘no-shows’ back in June AND also getting out those who are concerned that Brexit may be sabotaged
        2. It’s very much up to Philip Hammond now to come up with a successful Budget (a series of them, really), a) to save his backside, b) to re-energise Party workers, c) to counter-Corbyn & make his avowed policies appear undeliverable, and, d) put the UK in a strong economic position anyway but also to do so because a ‘bump’/the next recession/The Big Economic Crisis gets ever closer as the years pass.
        3. The more time that passes before the next GE provides the possibility of Labour in-fighting erupting again … and again … and again.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          They just need to promise the earth like labour did – free elderly care – subsidised this and low tax that – they were stupid enough to vote labour on the strength of that so modernist it – national free wi fi system – stuff under 40 voters will like

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  7. NISA says:

    Time to call it a day, chaps. Moneysavingexpert’s poll this week asks for views on (re)nationalisation. All ages overwhelmingly support a totally socialist economy, only aviation gets a split vote. So no chance for a non-tax based BBC.
    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/26-09-2017/do-you-support-renationalisation-of-rail-energy-water-and-more

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Nis ,
      It’s the memory problem. Older people remember what labour did to Blighty and the kids will have to cause us all pain again .
      Corbin will spend his time blaming , you, me , the markets , and Uncle Tom Cobley before it all comes crashing down again

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      • nofanofpoliticians says:

        There is a major problem for Labour, which has fast been turned into a cult, the cult of Corbyn.

        All cults, and similar organisations have a major issue in the event that something happens to their leader.

        Corbyn is 70-odd. If he were to fall seriously ill, or worse, what would happen? None of his acolytes have anything resembling leadership ability (its arguable whether he has) and none of the moderates are acceptable to the membership.

        It’s a question someone should ask, surely?

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        • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

          Someone could be a great leader. But then again he might be a great leader at directing a party and a country (if he gets into power) over a cliff and into the abyss.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          nfop, that was behind my point @3. above but should have added it in words. The Labour leadership is as elderly as the Tory leadership.

          At least they are younger than the LibDems.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Hopefully John Stalin McDonald would take over and destroy the socialist party.

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  8. BRISSLES says:

    Yes, none of these ‘kids’ remember that on Labour’s way out last time, there was a note on the Chancellors desk saying ‘there’s no money left’ !

    That’s the trouble with being ‘old’ we have memories. Earlier this week Cleggy said that all those oldies who voted for Brexit are dying off and wont be around to witness the damage they’ve done. FFS !

    ANOTHER MEMORY – the film LOGAN’S RUN a world where everyone over 21 is bumped off. Cleggy should be careful what he wishes for, this could become a reality should the time arrive when he becomes a nappy wearing ‘oldy’ !

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    • WildWomanOfThe Woods says:

      “Yes, none of these ‘kids’ remember that on Labour’s way out last time, there was a note on the Chancellors desk saying ‘there’s no money left’ !”

      It was in an envelope left by the outgoing Chief Secretary to the Treasury (not the Chancellor) Liam Byrne for his successor, who happened to be the rather clueless David Laws. Mr Laws was clearly unaware that it has been a tradition going back generations for outgoing ministers to leave light-hearted notes for their successors.

      IT WAS A JOKE. Not a very good joke, to be sure, but a joke all the same. People as clueless as Mr Laws have been trying to milk it ever since, unaware that the rest of the world knows it’s not to be taken seriously. After all, there was plenty found in the Treasury when David Cameron wanted to bomb Libya. That ended well, didn’t it!

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      • Al Shubtill says:

        Laws would be unaware of such a tradition going back generations, since it has been generations since the Liberals have been anywhere near government.

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  9. StewGreen says:

    BBC = Radio Greenpeace
    Today I spot a whole series of “Our green dogma” programmes
    8:42am R4Today Organization called PlanB Earth are to sue government over the Energy scedule re CO2 for keeping temp rise to 1.5%(sic)
    … like Client earth sued over air quality.
    …David King was speaking in support.

    9am R5 Had a phone in about phasing out plastics
    Incredibly the presenter moved into eco-campaigner mode, insisting to each caller
    “I solemnly swear to never again use plastic straws”

    9:30am R4 The colour Green :”It’s used without limitation to boost the environmental credentials … “green-washing”,
    …. A current Royal Horticultural Society campaign, Greening of the Grey, aims to bring more green spaces to our towns and cities. Wayne visits RHS Wisley to meet Science Director Alistair Griffiths, gardeners and visitors to discover more about the power of green.”

    8pm R4 : Clive Anderson and guests discuss the role the law can play in reducing climate change.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b095t4pg

    9pm R4’s weekly Green Programme Costing The Earth : http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b095rrzv
    Senior Conservative politician, John Gummer, now Lord Deben, created the Environment Agency in 1995. He tells us that the organisation has become too cosy to government and has lost its independence.
    (The won’t mention that Lord Deben sist on the Climate Committee has directorship in companies that benefit from green subsidies)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b095rrzv

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  10. StewGreen says:

    9am R5 R5 now presenter getting each caller to say “I solemnly swear to never again use plastic straws”
    ..FFS it’s not her job to take a side and campaign
    Especially since she uses £1.50 stainless steel straw which would have 1000 years if equivalent CO2 in manufacture


    https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/912952998824947712/video/1
    Green is NOT a universal good, cos her kind of green (lots of kids + buying green gimmicks)
    ..is different from my kind of green (proper science and maths, zero subsidies and gimmicks, discouraging children, getting fracking etc.)

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    • StewGreen says:

      This is serious .. She broke editorial impartiality guidelines by a mile

      The entire production team need to be taken off the show for a day for a refresher on the impartiality rules.

      They’re out of control if they think their own LibSupremacist values are so superior they have the right to preach to the public.

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  11. Thoughtful says:

    It’s the time of the Nazi party – oops Labour (for now) party conference. The BBC have sent their star reporter Laura Kuenssberg to cover it, yet the Fascists are so full of hate and aggression (allegedly) the BBC has been forced (they claim) to provide Kuenssberg with a bodyguard.

    Consider this though. Kuenssberg doesn’t appear to have had any violence directed at her other than the Boos & Hisses expected of the Fascist rabble, although having a body guard might have prevented any. Is there therefore a credible threat? It certainly suits the BBC narrative to say that they are being physically threatened by those on the Left so therefore the accusations of Left wing bias are without foundation.

    Wimmins hour on Radio 4 invited Harriet Harperson on for a predictably biased and unchallenged interview in which she almost unbelievably claimed that it was because Laura Kuenssberg was a woman that these threats were being made and that it was sexism within the party, not something more sinister. She went on to claim that it was unacceptable to silence womens voices, again unchallenged.
    Well I got news for you Fascists, it’s unacceptable to silence anyone’s voice regardless of their gender, and that is the true equality.
    Harperson again unchallenged went on to say that it is unacceptable for any party to intimidate women, well, I don’t see any intimidation from any of the other parties or their supporters, so I think that tells a tale in itself !

    Next week sees the Tory conference, and I expect we will see the serried ranks of the Sturmabteilung again attempting to visit violence on those they don’t agree with, all covered up by the BBC and the MEN (Mirror Group), until one of their own gets attacked and then all bets are off (like last time).

    We just haven’t got a clue what to do will get on her hind legs and make another appalling misjudged speech which will shy away from dealing with anything difficult or which requires a spine, and the darkness will be deeper than it was before.

    Most of us posting here believe that the BBC as a corporate entity is massively biased to the left, but how many believe it is supporting Corbyn and his thugs?
    My opinion is that the BBC is a centre Left liberal biased outfit, comfortable in its middle class well paid jobs and careers. It is not as a whole supportive of a hard left agenda which would see them taxed until the pips squeak. Having said that, it will seek to use that position between a hard Left Labour Party and a soft Left Tory party to claim it is neutral and balanced.

    Don’t be fooled. It is not.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      The BBC is totalitarian in it’s views (agree or don’t progress or even get in) and cannot be penalised for doing anything wrong such as giving a paedophile celebrity status and allowing him to groom kids on national TV.

      The BBC now believes it has the answer to what the demographics of what a truly diverse company should look like …
      “By 2020, the BBC wants its employees to comprise 50% women, 8% disabled people, 8% lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender people and 15% people from black, Asian and ethnic minority backgrounds.{bbc.co.uk 14sep2017}”

      The BBC believe they can keep news on their website that hides refugee being nasty …
      Chaos as police stop Hungary migrant train – Gavin Hewitt – BBC -Sep 2015 @53s”

      The BBC can reveal news about EU Referendum campaign using £350 million per week but not refer to it’s own fact finding web pages which show £350m before rebate and £261m after rebate.

      The BBC believe all it’s presenters are following the BBC impartial guidelines even when they twitter the following ‘It’s hard to see a single positive (in BREXIT)‘

      The BBC report on ‘Canada has quietly granted asylum to LGBT Chechens {bbc.co.uk sep2017}’ but don’t mention the why or what the leader believes.

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    • GCooper says:

      A good post, Thoughtful

      Personally, I can’t help wondering if the whole Kuenssberg goon squad business is just a smokescreen. The BBC has been as droolingly sycophantic as ever in its coverage of the comrades’ tea part in Brighton this week. Claiming that they are having to protect Kuenssberg from the Paul Mason lookalikes with the donkey jackets and socks filled with wet sand is awfully convenient.

      You are right when you say the BBC is generally liberal Left and probably not fully behind McDonnell and his Stasi types but enough inside the Corporation are to make it a serious threat.

      Where is Maxwell Knight and MI5 as it once was? Someone needs to be rooting out this nest of Marxist vipers and it isn’t being done.

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      • ObiWan says:

        I guess the question is: given the choice between a further Conservative government or a Corbyn/Momentum-led Labour (in name only) government, which would the BBC prefer?

        I think we all know the answer to that one. Even though the BBC are fully-aware that the Labour Party is now little more than an outpost of radical Communists posing (for now) as ‘democratic socialists’ they would be more than happy to welcome in Chairman Corbyn and his Red Guards at the next election. They are already preparing the mood music, gladly couching Corbyn and his cronies as a ‘government-in-waiting’.

        I posted this elsewhere yesterday, but I think it’s appropriate:

        “…When Khmer Rouge tanks entered Phnom Penh in 1975 they were greeted with flowers and cheers. Within two days the brutal, rag-tag regime had emptied the entire city at gun-point of almost 3 million people. It took another year for Pol Pot to reveal to the world that the Khmer Rouge were, in fact, called The Communist Party of Kampuchea. In all, the CPK would go on to murder almost a fifth of Cambodia’s population as it pursued its ‘super great leap forward’ towards a Communist agrarian utopia.”

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Thoughtful “Most of us posting here believe that the BBC as a corporate entity is massively biased to the left, but how many believe it is supporting Corbyn and his thugs?
      My opinion is that the BBC is a centre Left liberal biased outfit, comfortable in its middle class well paid jobs and careers. It is not as a whole supportive of a hard left agenda which would see them taxed until the pips squeak. Having said that, it will seek to use that position between a hard Left Labour Party and a soft Left Tory party to claim it is neutral and balanced.

      Don’t be fooled. It is not.”

      I agree.

      I think that’s why Laura P-t Kuenssberg went for Labour leaders during GE2017 because she saw her Edinburgh/London lifestyle reduced somewhat. Labour from 1997-2010 handed big money to the BBC (and others) and taxed them lightly. I don’t think Labour’s spending plans add up but they have indicated a clear Income Tax increase not just for Top Rate band earners.

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    • Al Shubtill says:

      Solid post Thoughtful.

      That’s why they loved Blair when he got in.

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  12. StewGreen says:

    Propaganda they’re tweeting
    https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/912947815554396161/photo/1


    One expert caller managed to get thru
    If like Sheffield and most of Europe you use plastic as a fuel in high temperature incinerators, it’s safe and there are no harmful residues
    Point is all plastic can be burned safely in high temperature incinerators.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew, quite right but sadly the wider public do not know that. Earth to earth. Dust to dust. Ashes to ashes. Could it be because their ‘favourite’ broadcaster has not informed and educated them?

      It could – in the process – be used to generate electricity.

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      • BRISSLES says:

        For the life of me I fail to understand why, us the consumer, are being blamed for the destruction of wildlife by plastic. ITS THE MANUFACTURERS you dumbos ! we only use what they produce. STOP the manufacturing and the problem is solved. I didn’t put in a requisition for a container other than glass in which to put my lemonade. As kids we took the bottles back for 2d to spend on sweets. I have my milk delivered – still in glass bottles, yet millions buy milk in plastic from the shops ! Get the scientists to come up with an alternative, but don’t browbeat us that its OUR fault.

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        • GCooper says:

          Given the extent to which the UK’s broadcast media is in hock to the Green industry (Greenpeace, FoE, WWF etc etc) I’m waiting for some impartial evidence before I start worrying about this.

          We’ve been lied to too many times in the past by ecoloons and the BBC.

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          • StewGreen says:

            Exactly mostly what we get is emotional blackmail and assertion
            ..rather than proper evidence
            One sick turtle is sad, but that shouldn’t change a whole industry
            “Baby out with the bathwater”

            Aside : by subsidising solar/wind/biofuel you discourage plastic being used as a fuel

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            • WildWomanOfThe Woods says:

              “One sick turtle is sad, but that shouldn’t change a whole industry”

              True, but the threatened extinction of entire species is a catastrophe and certainly should. Be careful what you wish for.

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          • StewGreen says:

            Exactly mostly what we get is emotional blackmail and assertion
            ..rather than proper evidence
            One sick turtle is sad, but that shouldn’t change a whole industry
            “Baby out with the bathwater”

            Aside : by subsidising solar/wind/biofuel you discourage plastic being used as a fuel

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  13. StewGreen says:

    Link back to previous thread first of Wednesday’s posts
    Begins with Tucker Carlson

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  14. Charlie Martel says:

    Love him or loathe him, Trump has guts. He’s taken on, at various times, not just the Democrats, but the entire so-called Liberal Establishment, the Deep State, half his own Party, the msm and broadcast networks, Hollywood, the luvvies and the music industry, his own Intelligence Services, some of his military, the Judiciary, Gays, Transgenders and Feminists, Academia, East and West Coast ‘Liberals’ and ‘Progressives’, assorted minority interest groups like BLM and Antifa; the Chinese, the Mexicans, the North Koreans, the Germans, Merkel, the EU, Muslims worldwide. Most recently the NFL and that most sacred of sacred cows: ‘Blackism’ and the black victimhood and grievance industry to which we are all expected to genuflect, unquestioningly, in perpetuity.
    Oh, and the Pope for good measure.
    And best of all, our very own dearly beloathed Beebistan, with his immortal ‘another beauty’ comment.

    Even the cashier at my local supermarket was telling all and sundry that she hated Trump, in the cosy certainty that all agreed. He’s the one man it’s ok to hate – nay, it’s ‘de rigueur’ in polite society and among the chatterati and the bien-pensants.
    The question is, can he possibly survive such an array of raging enemies for long?

    Jon Sopel and Tesco cashiers are formidable foes. Well, more the latter, he’s a bit of a drip.

       59 likes

  15. wronged says:

    I’m missing Brillo on the Beeb

       19 likes

  16. StewGreen says:

    KatieH says LBC LibMob are organising a sack campaign against Farage

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  17. MarkyMark says:

    It’s becoming rather tiresome to keep hearing sportspeople speaking eloquently and sensibly about political issues. Stick to sport. {twitter – Gary Lineker}
    Lineker responds to – “Spurs coach Gregg Popovich: Time to decide ‘the decent America we all thought we had and want is more important’ than Pres. Trump’s conduct.”

    – Is this sarcasm from Gary ‘£1.75m 100% BBC Approved Guideline Twitter Comments’ Lineker?
    – Does he feel he speaks ‘eloquently and sensibly’ about politics?
    – Does he mean it and wants to apply it to himself?
    – Has Gary ‘£1.75m BBC Wages Paid Under Threat of Prison’ Lineker found a single positive in Brexit (political debate) yet from one of his 6.6M Twitter Followers (up 0.1M). One twitter follower must have voted for leaving the EU?

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  18. StewGreen says:

    How beeboids like David Attenborough view YOU from inside their echo chamber of “enlightenment”
    https://www.twitter.com/i/user/51052182

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  19. MarkyMark says:

    Westminster attack witness ‘inappropriately interrogated’ {bbc.co.uk }
    A student caught up in the Westminster terror attack has told the BBC’s Asian Network she was inappropriately interrogated by counter-terrorism officers after the incident. Miriam Walker-Khan, 23, who is currently on a BBC training scheme, was at Portcullis House on a university trip when the attack took place in March. After witnessing the fallout of the attack and being locked down in the building for several hours, the journalism graduate, whose father is Muslim, provided police with a statement.

    – Does not say how long interview/interrogation took. 2 minutes? 1 hour?
    – Police ask awkward questions, person not arrested unjustly but felt like a criminal.
    – Is her father an Iman possibly or on a watch list?
    – Woman didn’t make a formal complaint (so couldn’t have been that bad) but was willing to talk to the BBC and say she felt like a criminal.
    – Did the BBC contact the police (do some journalism) to say why questions asked or just let her talk?
    – Story is one sided … and not formal complaint raised, so she was OK really?

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  20. Dystopian says:

    Can anyone please clarify – if women in Saudi Arabia own convertibles are they allowed to go topless?

       18 likes

  21. Beeb Brother says:

    I just got a news flash to my phone from the Beeb about how Labour are going to sort out housing. It might as well just be a press release from the Labour Party.

       22 likes

    • MarkyMark says:

      Where is the best place to be a woman in Britain? {old post}
      “Islington, in north London, was rated the worst place for women to live.”
      “Islington performed near the bottom of the distribution on wellbeing, environmental quality, housing affordability and safety.”

      Islington North (UK Parliament constituency) {wiki}

      2017, Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, 40,086 73.0% +12.7
      2015, Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, 29,659 60.2% +5.8
      2010, Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, 24,276 54.5% +3.3
      2005, Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, 16,118 51.2% −10.7
      2001, Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, 18,699 61.9% −7.4
      1997, Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, 24,834 69.3% +11.9
      1992, Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, 21,742 57.4% +7.4
      1987, Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, 19,577 50.0% +9.6
      1983, Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, 14,951 40.4% −12.2
      1979, Labour, Michael O’Halloran, 12,317 52.6% −5.3

      – Jeremy Corbyn had 38 years to prove that he could turn Islington into a Labour Paradise.

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  22. Thoughtful says:

    What the BBC isn’t telling you today (there’s still time yet though!)

    Corrupt police officer at centre of crime gang grew cannabis in his home

    Hemayat Enayat, a former PC in GMP’s Trafford division, accessed police computer systems to pass on information to an organised crime group

    So much for the vibrancy of diversity which ethnic and religious quotas have on sensitive state institutions, where the Fascists simply don’t care about what goes wrong, and because the statistics will not show the crimes committed by ethnics Fascists within the BBC will no doubt be claiming once again (yes they’ve done it before) that the Police are fitting up Muslims on corruption charges, rather than the truth that Muslims are in reality institutionally corrupt.

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  23. Guest Who says:

    And they say the BBC cannot do great comedy.

    Citizen Mason is beyond perfect.

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  24. StewGreen says:

    Husband of TV producer ie Brian Cox twisting history to say 1950s Reith Lectures by Oppenheimer were about DIVERSITY

    Previous prog edition was about “Britain in Europe”

    Agenda, agenda, agenda

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew, I spotted that too. Thought Cox was quite good though and was surprised how he stuck it – in a very subtle way (too subtle maybe?) – to the Global Climate Change Warming Mob. Thought I heard Horrorbin wincing. 🙂

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  25. Tothepoint says:

    If you keep telling people every single day, that they are the problem, that they are evil or stupid or dangerous…when these people are good people, only doing whats best for their families, they love their country, they never break the law and they know they are doing nothing wrong…when you keep telling people every day that they ARE bad people because of how they think, because of how they vote, because of what they believe is the best way to go forward as a country (which is all our right), or because they have white skin; then these very same people will look on those abusing them, attacking them, and calling them bad people, and realise those attacking them are the real bad people

    Keep hope. Trump has set the trap for the enemies of America….its happening here too. Most people think like we do havent realised our way of life is being attacked. We can only be called names for so long before the effect loses its power (it already has on us)

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      I think I am called evil, because I tell the truth. I know I am not stupid because I am a Mensa member. I presume I am called dangerous by middle-class left-wing people because they are not well educated in important subjects such as European Union Governance, Atmospheric Physics, Solar Astronomy, etc. And therefore are fearful of those who are not really dangerous at all, just better educated than anyone employed by the BBC.

      I presume that middle-class left-wing people employed by the BBC must be much less intelligent than Brexit voters. There are two pieces of evidence for this: (1) Ideas obtained for writing a satire called W1A (2) The opinion within the BBC that Black people seem more intelligent than the White people employed by the BBC.

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    • Lefty Wright says:

      Bravo!

         1 likes

  26. Payne by name says:

    I enjoy watching NFL and the Beeb’s coverage of it isn’t bad. The two American pundits, Osi and J Bell, are very entertaining and make a good pairing. Though I really can’t arsed with hearing about their politics and what their take is on Trump.

    I watch for the sport and their knowledge and analysis of the sport. Not another bout of tedious, virtue signalling anti Trump lecturing that wouldn’t be able to stand up to even the lamest of questioning.

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  27. BRISSLES says:

    Rachel Shabi – a favourite talking head on Sky, dressed in designer red at Conference, in discussion with another lady in red – Jo Coburn, on the BBC. To make up the trio (such gravitas) is black and white Laura Kuenssberg – only needed a couple more for the line up, and it would have been a BBC version of Loose Women !

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  28. Pounce says:

    What Ellie Price a so called political Journalist for the bBC is tweeting:

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  29. Payne by name says:

    Why is it that coverage of the Labour conference just seems like a week long party political broadcast replete with warm fuzzy socialism, beards and woolly hats yet the coverage of the Tory party conference is just a week long assault on everything wrong in the world replete with slick haired young Tories, out of control eyebrowed sleeping old Tories and attacks on everyone that wasn’t at the conference the previous week.

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  30. Guest Who says:

    I wonder if Nicky and selected guests would like to get their heads around this one come Sunday?

       5 likes

  31. StewGreen says:

    Bbc lets down theatregoers
    “Avoids critical discussion & knowledgeable argument”

       6 likes

    • Clare says:

      It swaps serious discussion for chatty promotion, or just chat, on virtually everything except a handful of right-on causes which, of course, it takes very seriously.

         10 likes

  32. Pounce says:

    Whist the bBC sung a huge song and dance about how innocent the director of Cage was after he was fined for not passing over his phone codes to the old bill:
    Cage’s Muhammad Rabbani reacts to his conviction

    They never mentioned this intimidation tactic used by Muslims:

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  33. StewGreen says:

    TV cheats cos reality isn’t good enough.
    Now proof that French It’s A Knockout was rigged.
    A presenter confessed in a new lawsuit
    ‘1997 We did it routinely, to make better stories
    when I was caught by photographers I took the rap and was fired and paid off with a confidentiality agreement, then let back into the company..
    Now they’ve fired me again so I’ll tell..I was acting under orders’

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  34. Doublethinker says:

    Reflecting on the Labour conference. This lot are probably worse than I thought. If they win the next election we will be back in the USSR in the blink of an eye. Why has this bunch of no hopers suddenly been elevated to this position. I think that there are many reasons but some of the key ones are:

    1The constant leftist propaganda of the BBC for the past forty years
    2 The take over almost the entire educational establishment by the left which was consolidated under Blair and which has succeeded in so dumbing down education that many people under forty are incapable of thinking for themselves. Fertile ground for the BBC.
    3 The Remainers who woke up the young and impressionable voters in their attempt to overturn the referendum result. Many Remainers also probably voted Labour at the last GE to teach the stories a lesson . I hope they return to the Tories for the next election.

    Please feel free to add your thoughts.

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    • ObiWan says:

      The BBC are gladly parroting Momentum’s spin about Labour now being ‘a government in waiting’. In BBC Land, just saying something can really make it happen. Especially if they just keep saying it. Over. And. Over.

      We now have years ahead in which Momentum can work with their comrades inside the msm to propagate the cult of the Dear Leader as the next Prime Minister Apparent. No longer will Chairman Corbyn be lampooned for being the ageing old socialist reactionary he is, but rather as a wise, beneficent Leader-in-Waiting, the champion of ‘social justice’ and defender of the worker-peasant class.

      Meanwhile, the communists inside Momentum can draw up their plans for the collective. It’s as if the 20th century had no lessons to teach us.

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    • Deborahanother says:

      I’m afraid Mrs May is pretty useless and a ditherer.No leadership qualities .She needs to retire gracefully.She has no vision .Corbyn has a vision albeit we will end up in penury. It needs someone to take apart his socialist dream and take apart the BBC.Every institution is stuffed with Marxists not only education .Some one needs to have the guts to dismantle it.But who ? Where is our Thatcher and Tebbitt?

         24 likes

    • Lefty Wright says:

      Doublethinker
      I think you have made some good points here. Also, speaking to some young and some not so young people I found that all of them were of the opinion that a Labour government would cancel all student debts which of course they felt would remove a great burden from both parents and students. I have read one quote at least by a former Labour minister saying that his government considered something like this but found it was not affordable.
      I’m not sure that the Labour Party ever promised this but with the appropriate spin on the way it was reported in the largely left wing media and no doubt by college lecturers, it had the desired effect. All done by innuendo and the students took the bait and voted Labour and put the country in the hole it now finds itself in.

         16 likes

      • JimS says:

        Labour believes education should be free, and we will restore this principle. No one should be put off educating themselves for lack of money or through fear of debt.

        There is a real fear that students are being priced out of university education.
        Last year saw the steepest fall in university applications for 30 years.
        Since the Conservatives came to power, university tuition fees have been trebled to over £9,000 a year,
        and maintenance grants have been abolished and replaced with loans.

        The average student now graduates from university, and starts their working life, with debts of £44,000.
        Labour will reintroduce maintenance grants for university students, and we will abolish university tuition fees.

        University tuition is free in many northern European countries, and under a Labour government it will
        be free here too
        .

        [Labour Manifesto 2017 p. 43]

        19 th July 2017: Labour retracts tuition fees pledge as Angela Rayner says there are ‘no plans’ to write-off student debt. Shadow Education Secretary Angela Rayner said there had been “no plans” to write-off existing loans and her party “never promised to do so”. [The Telegraph]

        The Corbyn is not for turning, he is a man that sticks to his principles.

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        • Lefty Wright says:

          JimS
          Well spotted. I think the lady has been caught with her knickers round her ankles.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      4) People are not interested in the Real News or Politics because it’s too hard to think about it and we have new role models in the world ….

      Keeping Up with the Kardashians … guidance for new parents …
      She is also one of the worst parents I have seen presented on a TV show in a long time. This is a women who harassed her daughter into posing naked for Playboy that clearly made her uncomfortable; a daughter who was trying to fight off the stigma of the sex tape. This is a women who gave out her daughter’s private cellphone number in the middle of an argument because she criticized her (bad) management. This is a women who openly admits to living vicariously through her children (specifically in the Playboy episode).

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  35. StewGreen says:

    Sudden backdated 8% payrise for 700 BBC journalism workers.
    Team #1 at BBC news have traditionally been paid more cos of threat of poaching from ITV
    Team #2 at BBC World Service & BBC monitoring were paid less
    A survey by PWC has found this out.

    How could people not have known ?
    Is giving team #2 a big salary rise the best use of public money ?

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  36. G says:

    Under Corbyn, mass migration will continue – http://www.westmonster.com/corbyn-dismisses-migration-targets-says-migrants-arent-driving-down-wages/
    No surprises there then.

       16 likes

  37. SpinningReith says:

    Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but, apart from his evening shift-work with portaloo, I haven’t seen much of Andrew Neil lately.

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    • Doublethinker says:

      Spinning,
      He was effectively sacked from all but his late night programme , which has few viewers, because he was insufficiently pro Remain. So much for BBC impartiality. The BBC has form on this because many years ago, the early seventies , an equally famous presenter, Jack DeManio , was sacked for not being pro Europe when Heath was trying to get us into the Common Market, which of course he knew was just an early stage of the United States of Europe. Brillo has been quite disparaging of some influential Remainers e.g. Nick Clegg , of whom he asked why the Lib Dems bothered with the Democratic bit of their name when they refused to accept the referendum result. Do that often enough and the liberal left will get rid of you if they can and you are on very thin ice if you work for the BBC and don’t tow the liberal left agenda. Consequently few BBC presenters ever dare to spout anything other than the approved liberal left world view. I wonder if it written into their contracts that some of their pension depends on them supporting the BBC in retirement and never saying anything negative about it. Just like the EU does to its grandees.

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  38. G says:

    Which ever way all the Worlds ills are going now, it will most certainly end in tears.

       7 likes

  39. Fedup2 says:

    Watched Corbin s over hyped – under deliveredspeach. . When I heard a beeboid called Eleanor garnier deliver an ‘ analysis’ in the 5 o’clock news I thought she was a Labour Party spokes man .
    She either feels threatened by the extreme left or wants s better job to have delivered such biased tripe

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    • JimS says:

      She did seem very enthusiastic didn’t she!

      Will Corbyn’s vow to ‘prevent social cleansing’ mean that ‘white flight’ won’t be permitted in future?

         11 likes

  40. davylars says:

    Corbyns 75 minute speech had some very chilling aspects about it

    Hailing a shift to the Left among voters, he said a ‘modern socialism’ of nationalisation, state regulation and increased union influence was now the political centre ground and his team was a ‘government in waiting.

    Worrying….. I am sure 60,000,000 people died the last time a lunatic came out with this type of rhetoric.

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    • gaxvil says:

      Ah, ‘Union influence’ – I remember that. Beer and sandwiches at number 10, closed shops, restrictive practices, ghost workers and what was it? Ah yes, strikes, lots and lot’s of strikes.

      If Corbyn gets in, just as in Russia 1917 we’ll have the mad scramble followed by disappointment, frustration, bankruptcy, and failure. And lot’s of shocked faces, just as then, all wondering what on Earth went wrong.

         16 likes

      • Lobster says:

        Gax
        But British Leyland, British Steel and British Coal wouldn’t be the world class companies they are today without the Unions ………..

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        • Kaiser says:

          im seriously worried,

          my small stash of share s will be decimated

          my 35 years of pension contribution will be rendered worthless

          my house will go into negative equity

          my transport costs will double

          my job will disappear

          at 54 its unlikely i will have time to wait to carve a new late life career

          and all that doesnt matter a jot becuase my sons life will be RUINED as jezzbolla turns britain back to the 70s and a third world cess pitt

          and the alternative treasoner the appeaser wont do anything different

          jeez even those national acton guys are starting to sound reasonable

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  41. Charlie Martel says:

    With his usual calm, erudition, eloquence and wit, Douglas Murray exposes how good our political classes are at mercilessly crushing the ‘secondary problems’ while wilfully ignoring the primary problem.
    Sorry to re-post this from earlier (thank you MarkyMark) but it deserves to be seen – before the fast-approaching day when it’s illegal. Sad.
    Terrifying.

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  42. countryblues says:

    Watching the Labour Conference reminds me very much of those old newsreels of a Hitler rally. Frightening 🙁

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  43. Charlie Martel says:

    At the risk of boring the esteemed readers of this blog, I’ve typed out a short extract of the final words of Douglas Murray’s above talk:

    “We’ve learnt that most of the press in free western countries are cowards; we’ve learned that most of our artistic establishment are cowards; and that most of our politicians are cowards. We’ve learned that industries that spend much of their year in award ceremonies patting themselves and each other on the back for their bravery stop when an actual act of bravery may be required; we have watched as the entire liberal class of artists and writers and thinkers stop just at the point where bravery is needed.”

    Give that man a medal for bravery. That rarest of bravery: the intellectual courage to speak a deeply unpopular truth that must be spoken — or we’re doomed.

       45 likes

  44. Richard Pinder says:

    Biggest story ever, censored by the BBC:

    The United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence issued a subpoena to the FBI and Department of Justice for documents including all internal FBI reports relating to the accusations about Trump’s behaviour in Russia. This dossier was compiled by a former British spy, Christopher Steele, who was commissioned by the opposition research firm, Fusion GPS, which is thought to have been paid for the work by wealthy supporters of Hillary Clinton.

    The original deadline for producing these documents was 1st September. The deadline has been extended twice and yet the FBI has still not responded. Congress is thus being obstructed in its constitutional duty by the FBI.
    In March I did say that it looks like the evidence that Obama and the Democrat swamp in the FBI used Russia mania as an excuse to get GCHQ to look at Trump’s emails, phone calls and financial transactions, is to be revealed in Congressional hearings. But up to now, the FBI are refusing to reveal their criminal acts to Congress.

    The reasons for this obstruction are thought to be the decision to insert GCHQ as a back door to eavesdrop on Trump and his associates. GCHQ did not work from London or Cheltenham. In fact the British agents worked from NSA’s headquarters in Fort Meade, with direct NSA supervision and guidance to conduct sweeping surveillance on Trump associates.
    The British GCHQ employees looked at his emails and financial transactions by searching MTI, using the Tempora computer system and PRISM, while tapping his phone using GTE.

    Also, Obama used Russiaphobia to get his Justice department to use the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to spy on Trump. Obama got the Justice Department to pursue the matter as a national-security investigation under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). In June 2016, it sought the FISA court’s permission to conduct surveillance. It has been reported that Trump was “named” in the application, but the FISA court apparently found the Justice Department’s presentation to be so weak that it refused to authorize the surveillance. Unwilling to take no for an answer, Obama got the Justice Department to go back to the FISA court in October 2016, this application was much narrower than the earlier one and did not mention Donald Trump. The FISA Court granted this application.

    I suppose it’s a tradition for a nations first Black President to try and use the nations intelligence agencies to work in favour of himself and his political party. But it does look like the biggest crime of the Century would be exposed if the FBI complied with the request from Congress.

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    • Lefty Wright says:

      Richard Pinder
      I would imagine that if the said documents contain anything damaging to Trump then the left wing media, (which includes the BBC) news reporters would by now be making snide insinuations and speculations with the customary serious and authoritative expression as they look into the camera.
      How can anyone actually take these clowns seriously? Well for most of my life I did. Now I just feel contempt.
      Drop The Dead Donkey was not too far from the truth. Repeats anyone? Only this time on the BBC.

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  45. Charlie Martel says:

    It’s still there: ‘I want to get rid of my Polish accent’
    A thinly veiled attack by al beeb on the nasty Brexiteers who make this Polish woman feel unwanted.
    Now don’t get me wrong, I love the Poles, am thinking of moving to Poland when this country finally goes down, some time next week at this rate.
    But this non-story is NOT of national interest: it’s a woman going to elocution classes ffs; just another piece of beebistan agitprop.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazine-41361662/i-want-to-get-rid-of-my-polish-accent

       22 likes

    • Kaiser says:

      does anyone really care/notice/object to poles

      their kids will all be flag waving british patriots if previous poles are anything to go by

         7 likes

  46. Dave666 says:

    Drone on BBc North West repeatedly refers to the fascist left hope not hate as a “charity”

       10 likes

  47. Guest Who says:

    Given The Canary has been teed up as a nifty complement to the Graun and Independent for sage insights and true representation of the public by certain BBC programmes, this looks fun:

       2 likes

  48. StewGreen says:

    BBC1 “We interrupt the BBC’s wall to wall coverage of the Labour Party,
    …. to bring you a party political broadcast for the Labour Party”

       24 likes