MID WEEK OPEN THREAD…..

Here we go, time for a new Open Thread! Detail the bias here please!

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  1. Al Shubtill says:

    I heard on Toady this morning that Thyssen Krupp are “merging” with Tata here in the UK who own the steel works at Port Talbot. Is that going to be (yet) another British business which the krauts are allowed to f**k up, after taking what they want from it, to reduce competition for their domestic companies from British ones?

    The German government would not allow such a thing in their own country, so why should ours here? This is particularly so in the light of the UK escaping the eusylum.

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  2. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    The leaver on this weeks question time panel of five is Kwasi Kwartang.

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  3. Englands Dreaming says:

    I’m hoping that more legal minded readers of this forum can help. I see some members of Britain First have been charged with “religiously aggravated harassment” having never heard of this I was trying to find out what it actually is, with some hard examples, but drew a blank.

    Britain First leaders charged with religious harassment
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-41338328

    A definition I got was “Under this Act, it is now an offence for a person to pursue a course of action which amounts to harassment of another individual, and that they know or ought to know amounts to harassment. Under this act the definition of harassment is behaviour which causes alarm or distress”

    If the above is correct and I take it literally, if I say anything about someone’s religion which causes them “distress” (even if factually correct) am I committing a crime? Surely this can’t be the case, can it?

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    • Diane-abbotts-penis says:

      Welcome to 21st Century Britain. Anything anyone feels ‘offended’ by (especially if said person is from Mos Crazy Gang or regularly visits Alans Snackbar) can be construed as a ‘crime’…only if you’re white British of course.

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    • StewGreen says:

      A few months ago BBC Trending tried to ambush Jayda Fransen, doing a political interview and then suddenly saying “so you were convicted in Nov 2016 of using religiously aggravated hate speech ”
      To which Jayda replied words to effect ‘Yes I was, I believe the situation is so serious we have to do this kind of direct action protest…it is the law that is wrong’
      ..Which of kind of parallels anti with their justifications of being able to break the law cos they are fighting for a higher cause.

      The new case, I know nothing about ..but sometime being charged with something is a long way from being convicted.
      The BBC writeup implies their protest risk affecting the impartiality of a court case
      .. but I note they were not charged with contempt of court.

      Kent News has something saying it happened at the time of a “brutal gang rape”
      http://www.kentlive.news/two-britain-first-leaders-have-been-charged-with-racial-harassment/story-30517836-detail/story.html

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      • Dover Sentry says:

        Thanks, StewGreen.

        These are the three examples given to CPS lawyers to aid there decision making process. No bias there, then 😉

        Religiously aggravated cases:

        1. The defendant verbally abused an Asian taxi driver during a disagreement over the fare, making comments about Muslim terrorists. The defendant then attacked the window of the taxi and spat at the victim. He was charged with religiously aggravated intentional harassment, alarm or distress. He pleaded guilty at the first hearing and was sentenced to a 12 week suspended sentence uplifted from 8 weeks (South Yorkshire case).

        2. The defendant verbally abused a Muslim member of staff at the hotel he was staying at and made offensive comments about Islam. He pleaded guilty on the day of trial to religiously aggravated intentional harassment, alarm or distress and was sentenced to a 16 week community order 16 weeks and a curfew for 16 weeks, both uplifted from 12 weeks. He was also ordered to pay £200 costs and a £60 victim surcharge (West Yorkshire case).

        3. The defendant was sitting outside a supermarket when the victim, a Muslim woman, walked past. He shouted abusive comments to her about Islam and her headscarf. He pleaded guilty on the day of trial to religiously aggravated harassment, alarm or distress and was sentenced to a 2 year conditional discharge, uplifted from 1 year (North Yorkshire case).

        So…. the CPS system has decided at the outset that muslims are victims. Sounds ‘racist’ to me.

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        • gaxvil says:

          Words and just possibly a mild tussle? Not like your kids being blown to smithereens?
          All people are equal but some are more equal than others.
          You can see slowly how the penalties will rise till we get to the death penalty for ‘blasphemy’ but we’ll get lots of rationales and reasons along the way, “We have to accept this is the changing face of Britain” etc. God help us.

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      • Englands Dreaming says:

        Thanks Stew.
        The examples you provide, seem different to the BF case. In the examples the harassment is directly directed at the individual victim, ie the victim was physically present. As far as I can tell, the BF case is a different situation, it looks like “harassment” by proxy ie distributing leaflets and video’s and not directed against one particular individual. It now looks as if this particular law is being used to attack free speech rather than protect individuals from abuse.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Looking at that Newspeak page (what is wrong with the word ‘increased’?) it is striking that there were other possible charges that should have applied by the CPS went for the ‘soft’ one. For example, the first religiously aggravated attack also included threatening behaviour, assault (possibly with the spitting) and followed by criminal damage.

        The latter was an obvious and easy conviction to my mind in post-Rumpole mode (thank and bless you BBC Radio 4, for some decent Drama at last to listen to this week) with the evidence of the broken cab window.

        Interesting and slightly suspicious why the CPS chose to pursue the ‘religious’ angle.

        Anxious to get something into Case Law?

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      The syllogism one applies normally is that of the reasonable man: would a reasonable man on the Clapham omnibus find the actions distressing?

      Of course judges can tailor the reasonableness test to fit the attributes of the complainant, and I would imagine that where expediency demands such as in this case they would set the bar very low.

      Once again it is effectively a Sharia blasphemy law. I doubt a white Buddhist would be protected by the Act but I am sure there is a consensus that ROPers should have their feelings protected at all costs. It could be for the greater good as we are always only one word away from a riot. In such cases the judges would generally bow to political pressure, as we saw in the Newcastle case where the judge unreasonably ruled that there was no racist motivation for the crimes.

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      • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

        Beeb Brother
        As times have moved on a bit since the days of the hypothetical ‘reasonable man’ on the Clapham omnibus, I guess that the judiciary have replaced it with the ‘unreasonable imam in the Clapham mosque’! No doubt he’d find almost every action of the infidel distressing.

        By the by, whatever happened to our own Clapham Omnibus man of yore who used to ineffectually burble on this site, was he really Scott in disguise? And has Scott transmogrified (like Dr Who) into dear old Maxincony? I think we should be told.

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    • Dystopian says:

      I wonder if religious harassment includes stoning people to death, throwing them off buildings or severing body parts?

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  4. StewGreen says:

    BBC1 11:15pm Liam Williams delivers thirty minutes of marvellously morose comedy about the state of the planet
    “Liam Williams quit standup fearing his pessimism about the state of the planet was making audiences worryingly apathetic.”
    Previously shown on BBC3

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    • Number 7 says:

      I thought he was too busy training with Saracens. As an ex-scaffolder playing for Waunarlwydd RFC, I doubt he has many concerns about ‘the state of the planet’.

      🙂

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      • Number 7 says:

        For non rugby players – Ex Scarlets, British Lions and currently Wales as opposed some trendy leftie BBC propagandist.

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  5. Dave666 says:

    Can you see what the wankers have ripped off here? Liberal Dumbtwats broadcast as seen earlier. F**** off Cable you f****** t***.

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  6. boohanna says:

    Haven’t the first clue whether this should be put here or not. Here it is anyway. The Great Shat. Enjoy.

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  7. Beeb Brother says:

    Benedict Cumberbatch – what a tosser.

    Having declared we should take in more refugees, he decided against having any in his own home. He’s lucky he has the choice.

    Now that’s a programme I would definitely watch: a reality tv programme where all these luvvies are forced to live by the rules they force upon us proles. Imagine Rowling having ten refugees living with her and her daughters for a year, or Owen Jones in a flat share in StPauls lecturing ultra violent and homophobic Yardies about microaggressions. Now that would be licence fee money well spent.

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    • gaxvil says:

      People who tell others the right thing to do but would never do it themselves in a million years.
      What’s the word I’m searching for? Think it rhymes with, affronts?

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    • charmbrights says:

      Ditto Mr. & Mrs. Balls.

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    • Dystopian says:

      They ought to do a celebrity big brother where they fill the house with so called refugees and virtue signalling tossers like Cunterbatch and see how they get on

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  8. StewGreen says:

    BBC2 New sketch show ..seems like something out of a Brixton black only comedy club
    Sketch 1 – the space army panic cos they know from the movies that the black people always die first, so they send the iT out first, who all turn out to be slant eyed Asians
    haven’t laughed so far
    BBC thinks it’s doing Goodness Gracious Me with Africans

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  9. Loobyloo says:

    Bingo for the PCBBC!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-41324125

    Brits take 20 years to make a tapestry (probably hideously white) about the colonisation of America, involving guest embroidery by the Royal Family….Native American association condemns it as racist stereotype. Designer is old, white British male, who has basically told them to sod off, as I would. Said association wants it to be removed from the Earth. Best bit is, they say that the Natives are depicted as ‘subhuman, warlike savages’. That is their description, but I thought that some tribes, not all, were warlike savages.

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  10. Loobyloo says:

    Can someone please tell me that the BBC are not using the misery of the Mexicans to promote their agenda? I can’t do a screen shot, but on the world news page of the website their photograph appears to feature a muslim woman centre. Don’t think I can take any more.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world

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  11. taffman says:

    “Theresa May has warned the United Nations that Britain could withhold up to 30% of its £90m core funding each year unless the organisation reforms.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41337444
    Are we in Great Britain responsible for funding this enormous amount to the rest of the world?
    Is this in addition to the Foreign Aid fund that we waste?
    “Enough is Enough”! Mrs May, Enough is Enough!
    Look after your own people first.

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    • Number 7 says:

      Has she FINALLY found something useful to do with her handbag. I know Maggie had her faults but she would have dealt with these clowns (+ the EU) in short order.

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    • rthornton says:

      “Look after your own people first.”

      Now there’s a novel idea, last tried off and on around 1939-45. Downhill ever since.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      “Look after your own people first.”
      But she does look after her own people first:
      Bankers… international financiers… the House of Saud… arms dealers… foreign despots

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  12. taffman says:

    “A 48-year-old man and a 30-year-old man were detained under the Terrorism Act in the early hours, after a search at an address in Newport.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41332867
    Is Wales becoming the dumping ground for so called “refugees”?

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    • Number 7 says:

      Have you been to Cardiff or Newport recently. Some time ago the BBC were reporting that refugees in Newport were complaining, violently, that their free food was not acceptable.

      To quote an old T shirt often seen in E. London – ‘Love it or Leave it’.

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    • G says:

      taffman,
      “Is Wales becoming the dumping ground for so called “refugees”?”
      Yes, in one village I have a particular interest in, in Carmarthenshire, I’m told by locals that five ‘Refugee’ families have moved in to council accommodation. Silently, clandestinely. They don’t work. In fact, cannot as English is not spoken. Apparently, there are calls from some for banners to be make up emblazoned with the words: “Welcome Refugees”. I’m sure that this muslim advance guard will welcome that support and duly report that back to others anxious to overrun the country with islam.

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  13. StewGreen says:

    Graham Stringer MP has an article in the Mail today
    “That personalised campaign is not the first time I have had unhappy dealings with the BBC, which has long been a mouthpiece for environmental propaganda.
    As he lays into the BBC and Global Warming establishment
    screenshot

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    • StewGreen says:

      His Times letter about the new “Global Warming not as bad as we thought” official report
      “Extraordinarily they have also convinced the BBC and other parts of the scientifically illiterate establishment that these computer predictions are so accurate that it takes them beyond further debate and further inquiry. This is the same attitude that the Spanish Inquisition had”
      …. and says his poor constituents have to pay for all this madness.

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      • Richard Pinder says:

        Thanks, I shall buy the Mail today, instead of the Express

        Stringer also says “Computer models used by climate change experts are flawed”

        The flaw is the Arrhenius formula used in all those Computer Models. Assuming that this formula is a fiction would explain why the second law of thermodynamics does not seem to support this Victorian era theory of Atmospheric warming.

        But then this would explain why Stringer is regarded by Mensa members as a lonely genius amongst a herd of morons.

        This is the explanation of the “Greenhouse Effect” from a Mensa article which does seem to comply with the second law of thermodynamics. In fact if you think about gravity pulling molecules downwards towards the surface, you can see that the tendency for molecules to speed up as they descend can explain the mechanism of the Greenhouse theory, below.

        “The paper (Unified Theory of Climate, Ned Nikolov & Karl Zeller, 2011) shows that the average surface temperature divided by the grey body temperature gives you the magnitude of the Thermal inertia which resembles the response of the temperature/potential temperature ratio to the altitudinal changes of pressure described by the Poisson formula, with predictions matching evidence for Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Europa, Titan, Triton and the Moon, to prove that the physical nature of the so-called Greenhouse Effect is in fact a Pressure-induced Thermal Enhancement or Thermal Inertia which is independent of the atmospheric chemical composition. Mercury and the Moon are used to prove that the Grey body temperature and the average surface temperature are equal when there is no Atmosphere”

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        • StewGreen says:

          @RP Stringer’s article was in Wednesdays Mail.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Richard P, that seems as wacky as all the IPCC rubbish put together.

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          • chrisH says:

            I`m old enough to remember those 364 economists who screeched at Mrs Thatcher and Geoffrey Howe in 1981.
            She could only find two economists to support her-her mate Alan Walters in America as well as Patrick Minford from Liverpool University. ALL the others had to join the gang of Keynesian academics if they ever wanted tenure or a Nobel Prize.
            Only Minford , only Walters followed the evidence, risked a bit of conviction.
            Minford was right-always was, always is.
            Ditto with Lovelock and Thomas Sowell….these people transcend their herds, and we cannot thank them enough.
            Therefore Climate Change ie todays Keynesian genuflection to the “experts” and “emeritus science”.
            Graham Stringer-like Peter Lilley, Nigel Lawson and Dennis Skinner-are to be thanked re Brexit and Green Limewash masquearding as “science”.
            Telling these truth are heretical acts in todays “climate”. Wonder if we`ll see such public figures with backbones ever again.

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  14. taffman says:

    On a positive note…………………………….
    “The RAF has killed more than 3,000 IS fighters in Iraq and Syria”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41336973

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  15. taffman says:

    Where is our resident pet troll ? Has he answered my request to sign this yet?
    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/end-the-bbc-licence-fee
    How about it maxincony?

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  16. taffman says:

    “What is quantitative easing?”
    “Then in August 2016, the Bank of England said it would buy £60bn of UK government bonds and £10bn of corporate bonds, amid uncertainty over the Brexit process and worries about productivity and economic growth.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15198789
    Was this a good move by Carney?

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    • Number 7 says:

      As tried by a certain Dennis Healey under the Wilson regime.

      As I recall, Healey and Wilson ended up asking for a bailout, like Greece, from the IMF.

      “The trouble with socialists is, that they always run out of other peoples’ money’.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        No.7, Healey did not use QE as far as I can recall. TBOMK, it was used by the BoE for the first time ever in response to 2007-09 crisis & crash.

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  17. Guest Who says:

    Our gal in America maintains her singular mission:

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    • Guest Who says:

      This being the one where the BBC tells May to butt into US affairs, but flounce big time if commentary comes the other way.

      Sounds lidentical to how BBC editorial reacts to questions being asked of them.

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  18. AsISeeIt says:

    This morning BBC London News lifts their self-imposed purdah about the on-going terror investigation to bring us the news of the arrest of a “seventeen-year-old boy” – aw, bless.

    It is almost as though soft spoken news anchor Victoria Hollins is trying to garner our sympathy.

    There’s a strange and stark contrast with BBC Breakfast on the subjects of terror and of road safety today – as mobile phone using drivers and careless cycle riders get both barrels from the BBC.

    As for terror – least said soonest mended?

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  19. Guest Who says:

    Yes, they are coming at this from another direction, but it will discomfort Jez, so all good.

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  20. Guest Who says:

    In which one of the BBC’s higher paid communicators muses.. to herself, mainly.

    The comments in response are not kind.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Proposed Theresa May speech … “We are not asking for trillions like Poland are over war repatriations. We are asking for an itemised bill from the EU which we will show the citizens of the UK. And then we will respond within the legal system and not by just throwing scary numbers around like £100 billion for example, which was based on conjecture.”

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      • chrisH says:

        We`re not asking for anything-just to get out of the EU.
        We have no obligation at all to pay a penny, only a fool compares leaving a golf club with a divorce settlement.
        As long as the likes of Cameron and May are allowed to head up a mainstream political party, then we`ll only get hell on earth.
        Tommy Robinson-your country needs you!
        Anne Marie Waters at least then.

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    • Dystopian says:

      I thought the bBBC were supposed to be impartial!

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  21. StewGreen says:

    7:15-7:25am R4Today used your money to make propaganda for Labour Party about renationalisation.
    On location in Bristol etc. Explaining how energy corp shares will just become Government Debt Bond of some arbitrary value to punish energy corps for perceived bad behaviour.
    Em who owns these corps ?
    i Normal pension funds like yours, ii The French & German governments.
    Then all the other corps would stop building vital new infrastructure like water mains and airport runways cos what’s the point in investing in UK if the gov is just going to steal the asset off you ?
    Such renationalisation would only happen by overcompensating investors.

    Labour’s point is that by being on the BBC the BBC has no time to cover the Tories.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The COOP which is connected to the Labour Party has its community owned bank.
      … Oh no 9am news is that it owns 0% of the bank, on account that it ran it so badly that it had to be rescued by hedgedfunds.

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      • chrisH says:

        Whatver happened to their Paul Flowers then? The Crystal Methodist, doubtless doing rather well out of his wrongdoings like all the political faves, rent boy types like Oaten, Vaz etc.
        A Chris Huhne dividend, as a talking head on the BBC no doubt.
        What Rowan Williams did to The Church of England-Paul Flowers did for the Nonconformists….who needs Satan when you ordain the likes of these two?
        And don`t get me on Giles Fraser!

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  22. Doublethinker says:

    I have just been listening to the BBC news and reading the papers this morning. What strikes me is the stranglehold that the liberal left have over our country.
    In the Telegraph Gisela Stuart writes that the civil service Mandarins and the liberal left establishment are well on the way to making sure that Brexit never happens.

    In the Times David Arronvitch writes that the Burmese are committing genocide against Muslims and that the world community , UN etc, must do something to stop it. He makes no mention in the piece of the many Muslim countries where Christians, Bhuddists, Jews , Hindus are routinely persecuted and murdered and have been for along time. True to form he contrives to smear the UK with some of the blame for this. Why he writes for the Times and not the Guardian is beyond me.

    There is piece in the Telegraph which rightly questions why the police are not being investigated for their own incompetent and groundless investigations of Edward Heath and others for sex offensives that the police handled so ineptly in collusion with the BBC.

    Then there is a another piece in the Telegraph about MOD lawyers wanting a third investigation into allegations of torture and murder by soldiers in Iraq. I thought this type of hounding of the army had been stopped but no the lefties are mounting another attack.

    Just a summary of the news today. All four items show the power of the liberal left establishment to undermine Brexit , the army, any VIP they don’t like and their unthinking admiration and defence of the murderous cult of Islam. If anyone had any doubt about who runs our country I think that you don’t follow the news closely enough. It will take much more than the Brexit vote to free us from the long shadow and crushing tentacles of the liberal left establishment.

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    • chrisH says:

      I myself will be looking for pointers from the English Civil War.
      Never felt the need to know of it-but things now are heading that way, so best to know of how a civil society can go bad very quickly if it is pushed into rebellion by the political class.
      Poundbury is only a day away.

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    • Dystopian says:

      The bBBC – self appointed regulating body of the British government.

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  23. Foscari says:

    The second most read article on the BBC website this morning is ” How companies poor customer service
    has led to boycotts.” Well the BBC day after day week after week have features on sexism,racial prejudice,LGBT etc .
    I found the article written by Rozina Sini to be prejudiced in it’s own way.
    One supermarket customer wont use Tesco’s again because check out staff referred to her
    as sweetheart, darling and babe. She found this patronising. This was reflected by showing us a staged picture
    of a designer dressed blonde lady holding her glasses at the checkout of a supermarket snarling at a pretty white
    checkout girl . Behind them was another designer wearing male model on his cell phone.
    In fact you didn’t need to be a brain surgeon to know this was a set up situation by a modelling agency working for
    the BBC.
    Not in a million years would this supposed check out girl use this supposed patronising language . To be honest
    Rozina Sini i found the picture to have some inverted racism about it !!

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  24. The Sage says:

    BBC Breakfast business section (or more correctly a consumer affairs slot) interview ed some guy from the Co-op.
    The interviewer asked him about the falling pound since Brexit and its impact on rising prices.
    But this morning, the pound is just 3c lower against the USD than it was in February 2016. And after it had fallen 20c in the period between May 2015 and February 2016.
    In fact, the pound is up around 15c from its low point..

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    • GCooper says:

      Since the BBC lost Jeff Randall (who had a few things to say about its Leftism) it has demonstrated nothing but complete incapability in its business reporting. Of course, a pack of cultural Marxists are going to find anything to do with business or commerce unpalatable, so it’s what we should expect really.

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      • GCooper says:

        My apologies. This post should have appeared under the post about the BBC’s business coverage, by Jack M.

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      • chrisH says:

        Agreed GC.
        Sky similarly went down the tubes when Jeff left the a few years back.
        I find that the Telegraph has the best of economic expertise-Halligan, Heath, Bootle and -of course-the occasional trestise from the mighty Patrick Minford.
        The BBC really ought to STFU re business and money-they are overpaid preening and privilged lefties, prep school perverts and Trustafarians.
        Minford wa correct in 1981 and has stayed the same since-in my view, he`s economics answer to Roger Scruton or James Lovelock…the only one to say anything as the Emperor rode by. God blesses the ivory towers they have to fight from.

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  25. scribblingscribe says:

    ‘fraid I can no longer stomach the BBC’s output even on my once beloved radio 4.

    So, can someone tell me how the BBC are presenting the news regarding German companies moving into the UK? Tata are about to be part of a German Steel group, BMW are building their new electric Mini here and even Deutsche Bank are moving into the UK with 4,000 jobs.

    I am sure the BBC have been telling me how industry will flee the UK after Brexit and that foreign banks will move to Paris and Bonn. Any one would think the BBC get a fortune from the EU to support its lunatic notions.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Great British BakeSell Off … Islamic FinanceIslam Food …. German Manufacturing … German Business …

      … all food to be Halal and financed by Islamic Suku which means that it’s jobs only for Muslims in the slaughter houses, cutting throats all day and thinking of Allah (non-Muslims need not apply) and finance for Sharia compliant banking by buying Halal food.

      … businesses to be owned predominately by German control, any complaints and we will shut down your manufacturing sector, German employees/businesses must be treated under EU law for example.

      … universities financed by Islamic foundations

      Hope I’m wrong, but those are my thoughts.

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      Radio 4 still has some wonderful programmes, such as In Our Time. You have to listen with a book nearby as a ‘safe space’ for when they go all SJW. I wish the snowflakes could apply the same principle to opinions they do not like rather than seeking to no platform and viciously smear opponents.

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      • scribblingscribe says:

        The excellent In Our Time occasionally succumbs to ‘BBC think’ too.

        One program covered the Islamic occupation of Spain as if it were a wondrous cultural event for the Spanish. Odd that the Spanish spent hundreds of years getting shot of the enrichers.

        Its coverage of the last Islamic invasion of Europe, with the second Siege of Vienna, never once criticised the Muslims, despite admitting they murdered and tortured every one in their path. Had the Muslims not wasted time torturing to death the inhabitants of every city they conquered then they would have over whelmed Vienna.

        It did a fascinating program on climate, wandering right up to the lines permitted by the BBC. Stating how the earth only had ice on it for 15% of its time. 85% of the earth’s time has not even had a single cube of ice on it for a glass of scotch. It explored how carbon rises after warming, how the levels of carbon today are not unusual and are at an historically low level. The normally curious Bragg steered his experts carefully around the subject of global warming, saying things like ‘I know this is a contentious area so let’s move on’. Yet a lass on it was desperate tolecture us with a warning about carbon and the earth warming which she managed to do right at the end. It was the final words so no one had an opportunity to challenge her.

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  26. Jack M says:

    There’s a bloke called Dominic O’Connell who does the business slot on Today. During my daily 15 minutes consumption of BBC content today, he introduced his 6.15 slot by quipping that Treeza will speak in a former European banking centre of Europe, Florence and that London could soon find itself as one of the also-rans category in that sense, thanks to da-da: Brexit. Yeah, Dom, that was thigh slappingly funny. This Wildean wit was his way of introducing the Chief Executive of TheCityUK (no, me neither), who was fed a bunch of the usual hand-wringingly, silly and negative doom and gloom stats which he readily agreed to about the City losing tons of jobs, the UK losing influence, tax revenues declining etc., etc.

    Look, I know a little bit about this stuff. There is noweher in the EU, or indeed in Europe, which can compare the City and the UK generally for financial services, banking, law, insurance, operations, plus of course the world avails of the jurisdiction of England and Wales, which is overwhelmingly chosen by parties in international, and even domestic agreements in other parts of the world. La Defence, Paris? Don’t make me laugh. Apart from the sclerotic state of the French labour market and all business being taxed to high heaven, there is no support infrastructure or expertise in Paris to speak of. Frankfurt? Slightly less fanciful but it simply cannot hold a candle to London. The only financial centre which can rival the City in Europe, but in a small way (dictated by its size relative to London) is Dublin, which holds the same advantages of the City (and of course is English speaking) and indeed enjoys the advantage of services being cheaper, but is restricted by its limited capacity. Of course, none of these points were mentioned in the interview. The City, London and the UK will adapt and prosper after (a hopefully rock hard, true) Brexit.

    We always have.

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    • Cranmer says:

      Interesting points Jack M. I heard that one reason the City is successful is because of its timezone, which enables it to do business with New York, Europe and the Far East during the same working day. I’m not sure how important this is, but geography has played a large part in Britain’s world success (rich in natural resources, lots of rivers for easy transport, moderate climate, no land border with a hostile country etc). Of course to the average leftoid everything we have is through rape, pillage, colonialism and murder.

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      • Dover Sentry says:

        And we created the Time Zones. As Pub Landlord said, we tell the Germans when they can have breakfast.

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  27. G.W.F. says:

    Getting hard to separate Treezer’s policies from those of the BBC Trots

    Comment on her Trump bashing climate change affirming UN speech

    ‘Of course, no mention of Islamic terrorism, no talk of the Brexit boom being experienced by Britain, nor any invitations to the rest of the world to join the fight for national sovereignty, or engage in trade talks with Britain before or after the Article 50 process.’.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/20/uk-pm-may-opens-front-trump-u-n-general-assembly-backs-paris-agreement-lectures-refugees/

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  28. MarkyMark says:

    Angela Merkel signals ruin for Europe {theaustralian.com.au 21sep2017}

    Angela Merkel is set to win Sunday’s German elections, according to the polls. She will enter a fourth term as Chancellor and rival Helmut Kohl. But whereas Kohl paved the way for German unification, Merkel’s ultimate ­account before history is much more dubious. The polls also ­suggest that the far right, anti-EU, anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany could win 100 seats.

    But the bigger story is this: Merkel may well be the chief agent of Europe’s demise.

    Such is the contention, not quite so ­explicitly pinned on Merkel, in Douglas Murray’s brilliant new book, The Strange Death of Europe {amazon}. Murray starts with this bold assertion, “Europe is committing suicide”, and by the end of his 350 withering pages it is hard to disagree.

    So that’s the net moral assessment of European history: it ­exported war and turmoil. Bildt also calls for the end of national identities within Europe. Yet, as Murray points out, the new immigrants who come to Europe surely don’t give up their identities.

    – Maybe, just maybe, Douglas Murray will add some reasoning to these debates regarding immigration.
    – I sent a copy of The Strange Death of Europe {amazon} to 10 Downing Street.

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  29. gaxvil says:

    I think a lot were taken in by May. Thought we were getting a Maggie ‘light’ but no.
    She has the look of something on a fishmongers slab – a Merkel with the bones removed.

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    • Lobster says:

      To be honest, I didn’t expect much when she entered Number 10 and she has merely confirmed my misgivings.
      Maggie she ain’t ….
      (What do you mean -“fishmonger’s slab” ? How dare you …….. LOL!)

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      • gaxvil says:

        May is the Trout to Merkel’s fish that dwells in the deep cruising around with that light dangling in front.

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      • gaxvil says:

        May is the Trout to Merkel’s fish that dwells in the deep cruising around with that light dangling in front.

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  30. Synchronised says:

    Beeb website article on boycotting companies for whatever reason. One example was Tesco’s for being called darling. Reminded me of when I was in a local Indian restaurant and asked for a glass of water. He returned and said “there you are Sir, one glass of Indian champagne”. Some people need reminding how lucky they are.

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    • Lady Vintage says:

      On BBC this morning Martin Amis sneered at Brexiteers as people who liked rustic towns with family Butchers shops. Well I do my shopping in just such a town and that’s how I and many others like it. Generally people are polite and friendly and helpful especially to the elderly like me. Admittedly the shopkeepers and their staff are not always politically correct………the other day one of them called me Sweetheart as she gave me my change. Hearing the long-forgotten word just made me smile. What’s not to like Mr. Amis?

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      • gaxvil says:

        Is this the Martin Amis who gave up on Britain YEARS ago and moved to America?

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      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        Lady Vintage,
        Exactly! What’s not to like? I get fed up of hearing that “little Englander” smear. As if there is something wrong with Englishness in itself. A town with a halal-FREE butcher sounds like the kind of place for me!

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      • Lefty Wright says:

        Lady Vintage.
        Sounds to me like a very civilized place to shop. As for the shopkeepers not always being politically correct, as I understand it political correctness was tried for 70 odd years in the Soviet Union and millions of people had to die to prove it doesn’t work. By the way. Who is Martin Amis?

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        • Cranmer says:

          ‘…people who liked rustic towns with family Butchers shops.’. Surely there are Remainers who like those sorts of places as well? Albeit usually in Provence or Tuscany, but really, is that the worst insult he can come up with? I always thought his books were overcooked pretentious twaddle!

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  31. Beeb Brother says:

    Great article about a black dwarf woman on the Beeb website, star of the vomit-inducing programme about a trip around Vietnam. Apparently it was tough spending so much time in the car. Why didn’t they save money and do a trip round Northern towns like Rotherham and Rochdale? It would save money, she would have less time in the car and we would learn more about the poor and vulnerable who live there whom the Beeb professes to care so much about. I hear a lot of girls there have found things very tough indeed.

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  32. ScottishCalvin says:

    Fresh off the press, in time for the Beeb’s post-Florence propaganda ambush

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    • chrisH says:

      Good artwork and nice shades SC!
      Bit harsh on Boris though-his weekend article was brilliant enough for me to ignore the rotating political heads and BBC crap re runners and riders.
      You`re a bit woolly, my friend-but your art speaks loudly for us all!

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      • ScottishCalvin says:

        Cheers. It’s one of the more artistically decent ones I’ve done I think, that’s partly why I started doing these, to improve my drawing (I hadn’t picked up a pencil in years). It’s noticeable mind (when you look across loads of them) that I’m far better at technical stuff, the aircraft carrier I did a few months ago stands out as being somewhat standout-ishly realistic.

        I recently decided to pick up a few more art things up down the shops and post some music related silliness to http://www.maestrocartoon.com – That stuff isn’t anything to do with politics but as with this, I just thought I’d take a subject I like, do one per week and slowly get better over a year.

        Politics wise, I just wish Boris would take a shot at goal or pass the ball. There’s nothing worse than someone who plots year after year but can’t pull the trigger (look at Heseltine) and I do wonder if he’s got any ideas for if/when he makes it or if it’ll be like Brown, all talk and nothing to show. Like I said, Churchill was a great writer but a bad PM after the Germans were gone.

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  33. Dave says:

    This is hilarious – BBC gives senior staff ‘youth mentors’ to teach them how to be in touch with under 30s. I hadn’t realised the BBC gave a fig about anyone over 30 anyway.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/21/bbc-give-senior-staff-youth-mentors-teach-touch-30s/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw%20via%[email protected]

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  34. MarkyMark says:

    Theresa May Brexit speech to be ‘open and generous offer’ to EU {bbc.co.uk 21sep2017}
    The party’s Brexit spokesman Tom Brake said: “This a chance for the prime minister to show she’s listened to the message sent by voters at the election and to seek a Brexit deal that has majority support in the country. “That should include staying in the single market, separating the issue of EU nationals’ rights so they are not used as bargaining chips, and giving the public a vote on the final deal.”

    Have Your Say…

    We should only pay what we are legally obliged to pay (or receive…). If that figure isn’t forthcoming, then we pay nothing at all.

    The EUs’ position has been consistently unrealistic and unreasonable. For a negation to be successful it needs to be done in goof faith i.e. it requires both parties to compromise. It is crystal clear that the EU has no intention or ability to do so and hence we should walk away.

    “Jesus, is there no way of getting thru to u pple. The fact is they are foreign-owned co´s & rely on many EU-made parts. If thr bowttom line is threatened, they´ll move.” Please post the links where these companies state they are leaving? Here is a link to a BBC article what shows that Toyota are investing £240 million.

    WOW another BREXIT article where the comments section is open… BBC really want Jo Public slagging off BREXIT don’t they…. I would like it if the BBC had a answer back section by them on these comments… Poor news again by the BBC!!!!!…. Can’t believe we have to pay for a licence for this crap

    …They cannot punish us any more than WTO even if they wanted to..

    “The EU’s position has been consistent.” When your position is wrong like the EU, consistency is not something to be proud of.

    Remove politicians from this entire process. Let business work it out to mutual advantage.

    Any offer of money is giving in to fear and shows a loss of nerve from the British side. It also represents an affirmation of the righteousness of the EU project. Blackmailing us for cash to ‘unlock’ trade talks is not on. We should hold our nerve and let German business pressure build on their side!

    Kuenssberg’s irrelevant opinion again

    you can vote my comment as much as you like but fact is fact. Go to a shopping center; Nandos/Costa/Nero/Prezzo/Zizzi/Pizza express and hundreds of shops are manned by those EU nationals you dislike. I was in bluewater neer darford for the day…i would say 50% of the workforce was not from UK. and 95% of the shoppers were UK. Get your 5million underclass to fill these jobs then.

    Exactly, it’s simple economics….how many of these manufacturers can you see spending billions on moving their operations into the EU only to import into the UK? Take Nissan for example, owned by Renault who’ve wanted to move it for years but it’s too efficient, as with many UK manufacturers. As you say, it’s simple economics, that says they won’t be going anywhere.

    Yes, being in the EU hasn’t done UK any harm at all! And we will be even better off again when we stop paying into the corrupt EU, can make change our own laws to suit the UK and attract more business, reduce unemployment even more and pay off more of Labour deficit mess. The future sure is looking bright, a country that leads the way again, with ambition and pride

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    • MarkyMark says:

      The future sure is looking bright, a country (UK) that leads the way again, with ambition and pride … ah, wait …
      tumblr_n91ckulqlz1qcqoybo1_500.jpg

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    • gaxvil says:

      Is Kuenssberg standing in the German election then?

      I reckon no one minds a bit of diversity but our major towns don’t have diversity. They have an over representation of the uneducated, backward and insular who come here because we are a soft touch.
      Excluding London, when do you hear a French, Italian, Russian, American or Japanese accent on our streets?

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    • charmbrights says:

      MM: You said, “For a negation to be successful it needs to be done in goof faith i.e. it requires both parties to compromise.”
      Remeber the definition of a compromise: When everybody gets what nobody wants.

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  35. gaxvil says:

    Do they ask if they, speaka da Heenglish?
    This is a step beyond the now commonplace of removing, name, ethnicity, age, gender, medical condition etc.,.
    They have something similar in the NHS, so it now happens you can unknowingly employ someone with Asperger’s or OCD and there ain’t a thing you can so about it.
    Diversity overrides public safety (and common sense) just as it does in our dealings with Jihadis.

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  36. gaxvil says:

    The German AFD on bbc WS. The Right Wing (NAZI)AFD with their ‘contentious, disturbing and PROVOCATIVE views on immigration’.
    So they ask some supporters: “They fight for homosexual rights, for women’s rights, the poor and the ordinary working people”.
    Hmmm ……… What, no mention of Death Camps?

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  37. MarkyMark says:

    Breaking BBBC News: BBC fail to mention Grenfell in news title, when article contains word Grenfell … Consumers told to stop buying ‘fire-risk’ fridges {bbc.co.uk 21sep2017}

    Word Search: Government x 0; Austerity x 0; Tory x 0; Labour x 0; cladding x 0; hotpoint x 2; Grenfell x 2;

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    • chrisH says:

      Only because it will cause a spotlight to be shone upon
      a) The Greens and their eco witch-hunt over CFCs
      b) The EU regulatory framework and testings that never matched what we used to have before Euro compliance became mandatory.
      c) Whether Eid barbecues with loads of illegals after sunset and in an enclosed fifth floor flat really are not a good idea.

      Beauty of this site is we all know what`s going on-all our new visitors will be getting a fine education and quickly if they keep coming, even contribute.

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  38. chrisH says:

    Notice that Jeremy Vine and Jo Coburn seem to have given us a double header in reply to the ERS report on the need to remove or reform the Lords.
    Seemed timed and co-ordinated to me, the BBC scripts and arguments were the same.
    Baroness Patience Wheatcroft and Lord Grade seemed far from happy-and Vine and Coburn gave both all the time they needed to spout crap on why we need 800 Lords members with taxis running outside, as expenses are paid.
    Now you may wonder why the BBC would not want the Lords gone or reformed-Tony Benn would want this, and obviously the Corbyn class warriors would normally shout at privileged vermin in ermine-no?
    But when you think of unelected or recycled pew stuffers and class warring gobshites like Ashdown, Mandelson and Dorrell…Blairs duds emplaced to subvert our will…this will not be the time to scrub the likes of Wheatcroft or Campbell-Remainiacs in place to try to force us back into the EU at gunpoint if necessary.
    So Coburn/Corbyn and Vine/Grade all sang from the Dear Leaders songsheet, and this report will be going nowhere. Wheatcroft-Camerons revenge, who else to subvert and sabotage the will of us all at the moment.
    They need to be careful.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Maybe Lord Hall could be prevailed upon too for impartial comment?

      If he is not too busy signing on.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Outcome of the European Union Referendum – Motion to Take Note 05Jul2016
      “I was devastated but not shocked; I was hardly even surprised. I do not think that any of them are in the Chamber now but there were Members of this House who, two or three weeks before the referendum, told me they had not met a single person advocating Brexit. That applied to others in the London-based elite outside this Parliament and it indicates, perhaps at the extreme end, the difficulties of us in Westminster relating to what was going on in the country.
      – Lord Whitty Chair // EU Internal Market Sub-Committee


      – Not met a single person advocating Brexit, these are the people in the House of Lords!
      – Difficulties of us in Westminster relating to what was going on in the country. The Country the Lords are making decisions on!

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  39. gaxvil says:

    Think I’ll wait till I can vote for the, at present non existent, Enough is Enough Party.

       8 likes

    • MarkyMark says:

      “Enough is Enough for Brexit”
      “For the Few (48%), Not the Many (52%)”
      “Change Britain’s future … but we won’t say what change!”

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  40. Sluff says:

    I’m so sad.
    On the bBBC1 1 pm news.
    The bBBC reporter has had to wait outside 10 Downing Street for 3 long hours for the end of the cabinet meeting. Sob.
    And he has no idea about the outcome of the meeting.
    Sniff.
    I do feel sorry for our fine state broadcaster. The hoops their workforce have to jump through. Gosh, do they earn their money, or what?
    Still I’m sure they will be able to invent a suitable narrative.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      The BBC reporters still get paid a wage by a public that goes to prison if they stop paying?

      Are the BBC reporting news or reporting on the BBC reporting on the news?

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      • gaxvil says:

        On the Fox News site there’s a vast amount of news and a small section devoted to opinion.
        The bbc has the complete opposite.

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  41. Roland Deschain says:

    Where is Nambia? President Trump ‘invents’ African country

    Gosh, it was so different in the days of Obama when the US President never had a slip of the tongue.

    Utterly pathetic.

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  42. Roland Deschain says:

    The virtual reality that turns you into a black woman

    Why did design collective Hyphen-Labs create a virtual reality experience populated exclusively by black women?

    Outside of the BBC, who gives a Castlemaine XXXX?

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    • Cranmer says:

      That was created by ‘women of colour’ apparently. Except, if you watch the clip, only one of them actually looks black. The other two are so white that they could easily ‘pass’ in 1950s Alabama or South Africa. I suspect the device is really just to enable them to live out their Rachel Dolezal fantasies. In what way does this nonsense benefit society? Isn’t it just a more technologically advanced way of ‘blacking up’ or ‘cultural appropriation’, which we’re all supposed to be against now?

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  43. Roland Deschain says:

    And, to complete a trio of BBC hobbyhorses to be found right now on their main News page, this one under “Must See”.

    From medical student to transgender icon

    How transgender dancer Lucy Fizz is using her own story and role as the face of a disco revival night to challenge society’s view of the LGBT community.

    It really does get worse daily, does it not? I’m not sure who would consider it “Must See”.

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    • gaxvil says:

      Again – you don’t change attitudes by forcing it down people’s throats. Anyway, if she’s had the op, she couldn’t do that anyway.

      Where’s Grant?

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      • Cranmer says:

        It seems to be non-stop tranny awareness day on the BBC. Back when being gay was the big thing that the BBC was trying to promote, I don’t remember it being done on nearly the same scale. There was ‘Mr Humphries’ in ‘Are You Being Served’ (and he never actually came out as gay) and ‘Colin and Barry’ in ‘Eastenders’, ‘Marigold’ the gay black home help in ‘In Sickness and in Health’ but that was about it! The only thing remotely resembling a tranny was ‘Gloria’ from ‘It Ain’t Half Hot Mum!’

        Granted there was Jan Morris who had a sex change but it was rarely mentioned except in passing as she had a proper career as a writer, not a grievance monger.

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        • chrisH says:

          Well worthwhile timelining the rise of tranny awareness, and its turbocharging from a private dignified conviction like-say Jan Morris or even April Ashley-into a Caitlin Jenner circus with countless needy bedwetters and deviants pigpiling onto the latest fashion.
          Like tattoo nutters and bipolar junkies hoping for a Channel 5 spot or a pantomine gig in Felixstowe?…these freaks would have had no time to lop. scar, pierce and weep online way back-they`d have had jobs and settled into citizens. But this is fashion-and tells us plenty about why Islam laughs at these self loathing weirdies as any kind of resistance to their jihad.
          Jan Morris would be appalled-and would probably be banned as is Germaine Greer for not queening and camping up for Marlow Poly on demand.

          The last battleground of these losers is their bodies-it`s all they`ve got and they`ll lose. Gramsci, Alinsky segmentation and top trump identity deviance.

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          • GCooper says:

            Timelining is the thing here. This obsession started like a playground craze, seeming to have sprung out of nowhere. But I have no doubt that its sudden rise was planned and well orchestrated.

            The questions then start to mount. By whom? How? Why? My sense is that it’s the latest in a coordinated programme of postmodern cultural Marxist deconstruction bombs designed to undermine and dissolve traditional society so that ‘glorious socialism’ can take over.

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    • chrisH says:

      What a laugh
      “Challenging societys view” huh?
      Talk about giving offence-since when did the beautiful people and media houris like Mr Fizz ever meet anyone in normal society?
      Going on the telly with a Twitter feed and a BMA rolling caravan tour in Brighton is NOT challening anybody-just yelling down your own blowhole for a selfie moment on Jon Snows feeding trough.
      They challenge nobody but the dead and dying-here comes Islam-let`s see that challenging NOW then fizzy?

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  44. MarkyMark says:

    #BREAKING France’s Macron says Iran nuclear deal no longer enough to safeguard against growing power of Tehran in the Middle East {twitter 21sep2017}

    Oh dear, but if Macron says it then we must do something about it?

    May sits down for talks with the Iranian President just a day after Trump blasts the regime for exporting ‘violence bloodshed and chaos’ across the Middle East in his fiery UN speech
    Theresa May sat down with Hassan Rouhani for discussions while at the UN
    But US and UK relations still friendly as Mike Pence touched Theresa May’s hand

    – May with Iran. Trump against Iran. Macron against Iran. May reduced to lite touch from USA. May not inviting USA to UK because of London Mayor. Trump calls out evil. May talks of gender equality. Macron spends more money on makeup than Kim Kardashian. My head is spinning …

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    • Peter Grimes says:

      Manny Macronapoleon is just cosying up a bit more to the real Prez. First it’s cosying up to Mutti’s pussy, which probably resembles that of his missus, and now it’s Trump’s ass!

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    • Charlie Martel says:

      The idiot pro-muslim O’barmy gave the Iranians everything they wanted in exchange for nothing at all, just so he could go out as the Great Peacemaker – or should that be Piss-Taker.
      (He didn’t even need to – he already had the Nobel Peace Prize just for being black ff’s sake!)

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  45. gaxvil says:

    My lad said his younger brother smelled of, fart, chip fat and knife polish and that, I think, also sums up the UN.

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  46. Charlie Martel says:

    Want to know what’s really going on in the world, especially the wonderful world of islam?
    Ignore beebistan, have a look at this: https://www.jihadwatch.org/
    The aggression, the encroachment, the radicalisation, the spread of sharia, the islamisation of the West are all relentless, as is the pusillanimous surrender by those who are supposed to be defending us, with the notable exception of the much maligned Trump.
    And most craven of all, of course, is our most trusted broadcaster, Al beebeera.

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    • gaxvil says:

      As the bbc informs us, we’re just too wrapped up in our most pressing concern – Transgenderism.
      Hair, make up, frocks, colour co-ordinating, hiding genitals – it leaves little time for anything else and of course, there’s fighting discrimination. Oh the humanity.

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  47. Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

    “Women in Sport”, comprised of feminist lunatics (allegedly), were one of the groups pressuring the FA to sack Mark Sampson the manager of the women’s English National Women’s Football team.
    https://www.womeninsport.org/our-mission/
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41345690

    This lunatic (allegedly) rabid feminist (allegedly) and anti-male (allegedly) campaign group is a CHARITY – meaning they get to push their agenda tax-free. Someone should check to see how easily charity status is given to various lunatic pressure groups and Islamic groups within the UK. I wonder whether there are terrorist groups masquerading as UK charities through which they are able to launder money.

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  48. MarkyMark says:

    Full day Teachers Conference in Yorkshire OR the indoctrination of young minds to create a more compliant country. You decide. {twitter 15sep2017} … and who is paying for this conference?

    “New rule: If churches don’t have to pay taxes, they can’t call the fire department when they catch fire. Sorry reverend, that’s one of those services that goes along paying in. I’ll use the fire department I pay for. You can pray for rain.” – Bill Maher

    … or in other words …

    If the God of Islam is great and all powerful, being able to communicate directly with humankind via a book, he does not need the protection and advice at a conference which is paid for by the UK Tax Payer, without representation.

    … or in other words …

    Please use the UK Tax Payers money to educate our children about the World and we will leave it to the Imam’s to pray for Islam.

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