As we’ve always pointed out on this site the Islamist trick is to claim that radicalisation is the result of Muslims not being able to freely practise their religion to its full extent…therefore the answer to Islamic ‘radicalisation’ is more Islam…allowing Muslims to live as Muslims….completely….this will make them feel happy and included in society…despite it actually making them far more isolated and alien. This was the MCB’s argument about Islamising schools…the more a school adopted Islamic practices the happier Muslim pupils would feel…this led to the Trojan Horse plot to impose that philosophy by ‘force’ [led by the same man who wrote the MCB’s 2007 directive to schools]. So to stop an Islamic takeover we must become ever more Islamic. Funny thing is the Establishment has fallen for that line…hence we get Warsi made a Baroness and then Chair of the Tory Party…purely on the basis that she is Muslim…naturally she is the tip of the iceberg as Muslims get ‘favoured’ treatment due to their status of victim and underdog…self-proclaimed…and of course we mustn’t forget those Establishment figures who sell-out themselves and their country to the Saudis et al. Harrow school has just got themselves a direct descendant of the supposed prophet, Muhammed, as President of its Association…
The Harrow Association is delighted to announce the appointment of His Royal Highness Prince El Hassan bin Talal of Jordan as President of the Association. He takes over from Field Marshal Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank, GCB, LVO, OBE, DL. The Association wishes to thank Lord Guthrie for his excellent service. Prince Hassan is an Old Harrovian and was in The Park between 19603 and 19643. He is a direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and is the brother of His late Majesty King Hussein and the uncle of HM King Abdullah II of Jordan, serving as Jordan’s Crown Prince from 1965 until 1999.
I’m sure it cements international relations and furthers cooperation and development between our two nations…..some might ask though how sensible it is to normalise an ideology that is so alien to our own values and beliefs and so irreconcilably opposed to Western values and to make it and its proponents such a fixture embedded within our own society.
‘The fact is – once again – that we may ask the question but we don’t want to hear the answer. Because if what all these things suggest is true then we could be in serious trouble. Perhaps we are.’
One for the BBC to ponder…or not…..
Douglas Murray in the Spectator:
‘Last Sunday, I appeared on the BBC’s Sunday Politics to discuss the aftermath of the Manchester attack. I said what I thought, and various Muslim groups promptly went bananas.
This was not caused by my suggestion that this country should finally crack-down on British officials who spend their retirements working as shills for the House of Saud. Nor by my ridiculing of that modern European tradition whereby someone blows us up and we respond by singing John Lennon songs (and now Oasis too). Rather they objected to my simple two-word suggestion that we could all do with ‘less Islam’.
In a short film preceding the studio discussion, I mentioned that countries like Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic have very little Islam and very little Islamic terror. By contrast, France has a great amount of Islam and a great amount of Islamic terror. To most people it would seem obvious – to co-opt the immortal words of Donatella Versace – that ‘more means more’. Because although many communities are capable of producing extremists, only Islamic communities produce Islamic extremists. Of course some people don’t want to accept this fact. Not least because informed choices might result. For instance, it might help us weigh up the ongoing cultural benefits of large-scale Islamic immigration versus the down-side of dozens of obliterated lives every now and then.
What I really wanted to open up in that short segment was an oddity of our now 16-year old response to Islamic terror. For over that time we have essentially adopted the argument of the Muslim Brotherhood and similar groups for whom the answer to absolutely everything is ‘Islam’. You have a problem? The answer is Islam. Something good has happened to you? The answer is Islam. You have a problem with Islam? The answer is Islam.
For a decade and a half the West has adopted this reasoning. If a group of men fly planes into the Twin Towers all the leaders of the free world rush to the local Islamic centre to extol the wonders of Islam. When a group of British Muslims blow up the London transport system the city’s police chiefs wave away the smoke and immediately extol the peacefulness of Islam. And when a suicide bomber in Manchester blows up 22 young people as they leave a concert, the one thing nobody must say is that there is any connection whatsoever with Islam. The problem cannot be Islam. Yet the answer apparently always is.
Has our society got zero interest in working out what might produce people like Abedi? The fact is – once again – that we may ask the question but we don’t want to hear the answer. Because if what all these things suggest is true then we could be in serious trouble. Perhaps we are.’
Have a look at this video….or just scroll to the end to see what Murray talks of…the TV presenter has seen and heard a lot about Islam and its problems and yet a pretty face and a winning smile assuring him that Muslims are lovely wipes all that out even as the Muslim girl asserts that the real problem is not extremist Muslims but racism and those who have religious prejudices…not Muslims but those who criticise Islam…that old problem of ‘Islamophobia’. The presenter concludes that we must have less debate, less ‘extreme rhetoric’ [you know he includes the likes of Tommy Robinson in that…as said the truth is a revolutionary concept] and instead more consensus and touchy feely multi-culti loveliness all round….let’s just not talk about the problems and they’ll go away. Always a job open for him at the BBC.
Funny really about the msm. I wondered whether the Indy was still worth looking at and found an article explain how Jesus didn’t exist. As a Christian I found that offensive but recognised freedom of speach . I looked for a similar article about good old mo the paedo but could not find one . Critism of Islam leads to state oppression and restrictions on liberty either for individuals or groups.
This will lead to a suppression of people’s beliefs until a moment comes when they can be voiced – like the shock to that left msm albeeb which they still can’t get
It would be helpful if there was some organisation that could hold polticians to account, to ask the questions that we lesser mortals would like answers to but don’t get the opportunity.
The questions is quite simple, “What is the future that you hope to achieve, (and how do you intend to get there)?” Many of us suspect that the future will be ‘the flag of Islam flying over Buckingham Palace’ and we don’t want that and we don’t understand why we are apparently heading that way.
There is no organisation holding the politicians to account and as a result our politicians give every impression of moving towards ‘Emporer’s New Clothes’ laws, i.e. it will be soon be illegal to ‘see’ anything except his finery.
Posted before, but worth reading again: http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/archives/15327
Full article (meat starts third of way through) http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=184244/sec_id/184244
Brilliant video. It has always been obvious to me that Tommy Robinson was set up when he was jailed for mortgage fraud, most intelligent people must have realised that, so why did they get away with it, he should have had a good solicitor?
Wild Bill,
“It has always been obvious to me that Tommy Robinson was set up when he was jailed for mortgage fraud…”
How is it “obvious”, Bill?
Of course, you are aware he pleaded guilty. That he admitted his fraud in court after being found out. That four of his fellow fraudsters and friends also pleaded guilty?
And your evidence he was “set up” is what exactly? Do tell…
Read his book , Maxicony , Enemy Of The State .
There you will find his version of events .
maxi – He plead guilty because otherwise his mother and / or his wife would have gone to prison instead, he was told as much.
When was the last time (has there ever been one?) when someone was sent to a maximum security prison for mortgage fraud? Mandy certainly wasn’t, was he?
You should follow Nibor’s advice and read his book or have someone read it to you.
Maxi ,
You might be a bit young or naive but people plead guilty in court for various reasons – such as overt or covert threats to others ..
We do not know what happened in the Robinson case but you need to be a bit curcumspect about some one who is considered at least an inconvenience to the State.
Christopher Hitchens? Douglas Murray? Nope! UK Gov Report says – “totalitarian in nature”.
Summary of the main findings of the review of Islamist extremism in prisons, probation and youth justice /
Published 22 August 2016 (gov.uk)
“It (uk gov definition of extremism) takes Islamism to be the imposition of an expansionist and politicised version of Islam (maybe it should define the other versions of Islam to stop any confusion?) under which society is to be ordered according to an interpretation of sharia law which is anti-Western, hostile to other religions and other strains of Islam (which versions of Islam are not extremist?) and totalitarian in nature.”
“unsupervised collective worship, sometimes (how many times? any data? any other times?) at Friday Prayers including pressure (who operates the prison – the imams?) on supervising staff to leave the prayer room;” – imams can say and arrange whatever they want as a big group!
“Under ‘Rule 39’ correspondence between prisoners and their legal advisors cannot be opened by prison staff unless they have reason to believe it is being abused.” – they can smuggle anything in and out!
Douglas Murray – Prison Radicalisation [youtube - 6 Apr 2017]
“I’d prefer Gradual Diversity as suggested by Douglas Murray, rather than the Disruptive Diversity produced by Merkel”.
“Nor by my ridiculing of that modern European tradition whereby someone blows us up and we respond by singing John Lennon songs. ”
I have to disagree with Dougles on this one. After a terrorist attack we should respond appropriately and then sing the John Lennon song (from the White Album) Happiness is a Warm Gun.
Truth is the new hate speech
Let the children be raped.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5597/the_bbc_and_islam_let_the_children_be_raped#.WVjKh8DwwwQ.linkedin
“Let the children be raped.”
Pretty much sums of the attitude of the BBC.
“Let the children be raped.”
Pretty much sums up the attitude of the BBC.
Tommy Robinson is too popular…A hatchet job by the MSM invariably led by the BBC is what ordinarily ensues at this point….But it’s not working anymore…We the public don’t believe the BBC and their allies anymore, when they tell us Robinson and Douglas Murray are deeply unpalatable…Great, isn’t it?
Current stats show Mr Robinson’s book is selling about 600 copies a day at the moment. Bear in mind most publishers would be very happy with a sales run of about 2000 copies per month. It is difficult to silence or ignore someone with that kind of interest being taken in him, which is why we are seeing him more in the media.
Having endeavoured to make a study of Isalm it is incomprehensible not to realise that we have been fed one big lie after another-Islam is not a religion of peace irrespective of what the media and government say, Islam is a political movement hiding behind a religious facade. How we deal with Islamic terror and we should really mean deal with it, is a matter that we should take very seriously, not pretend to deal with it, telling lies to appease the Christian Whites, this fools nobody or as the saying goes, ‘you can fool some of the people some of the time but all of the people all of the time’. First step- Stop Muslim immigration completely, close down all existing Sharia Courts, stop immediately the sale of Halal killed meats in all supermarkets and schools-we have no evidence to respect the fact that the Muslim abattoir’s have been inspected by Health & Safety ? And many other factors that need to be addressed, but like many I rather suspect that the power of Islamic issues has now ineigled itself too far into our society that only deporting every Muslim in the land will offer us back our Western Civilised Society following Christian values.
Ban Halal.Particularly meat. including imports. Ban Kosher too. The existential threat is so great, that Jews might have to suffer some inconvenience. Though they should realize by now that Islam poses a great danger to them.
Agree, thank you, my biggest pet hate. Ban halal. They can import their own.
Most reasonable people would have realised that Islam is not a peaceful, kindly religion, after the salman Rushdie fatwa, and the Charlie hebdo massacre. Was it mark steyn who said that the western world made a huge error by not drawing cartoons en masse after that, in a show of force, and consequently ever since, we have been on the back foot. More simply, we didn’t stand up to the playground bully.
As we’ve always pointed out on this site the Islamist trick is to claim that radicalisation is the result of Muslims not being able to freely practise their religion to its full extent…
You mean slaughtering Jews and Kuffars after the month of fasting comes to an end?
whats the end of fasting got to do with it, they killed over 1600 people last month, unfortunately they dont stop killing just because they stop eating, they can live without food, but not murder.
Ten quite simple and reasonable policies(sticks), i.e., if we had pride in our civilisation/culture, and the courage to implement them.
1. Close the door.
2. Ban the burqa on grounds of security. (Its starting in Europe)
3. Ban halal slaughter on the grounds that it is is cruel to animals- besides it is against our culture. We respect the cultural traditions in Islamic nations, and we expect Muslims to do the same here. As an aside- bacon and pork to be part of the school menu. No halal meals available.(Again its a matter of reciprocity)
4. ‘Quaint’ and barbaric practices such as FGM to be banned – severe penalties for same. The victimised and traumatised girl to be taken into foster care. Its illegal here, but needs to be enforced with severe penalties.
5. Bringing in marriage partners from the ‘home’ country subject to language and cultural examination/test. The examination fee to be £100 (increases year on year, as is normal). Failure means no entry. One further test is allowed subject to a £200 fee, after two years. (I think Denmark does something similar). No 3rd attempt allowed. Passing the test, and after a interview, allows residence permit in the UK/EU for a fee of £10,000. We can arrive at this phase after a few years.
Citizenship after 15 years, after tests on successful integration in UK society.
5. No multi-language instructions for foreigners or immigrants on how to milk the Benefit system. (That such a system exists, is making us the laughing stock of the world).
6. English only in all public places.
7. No further permits for building mosques unless there is reciprocity in Islamic nations.
8. Mosques to be closed if there is evidence of ‘radicalism’ within them. Imams doing such to be deported regardless of citizenship. (Citizenship is lost if a person advocates or engages in the overthrow of HM’s most Christian realm – something similar in the US).
9. Multiculturalism to be dropped. Teach real and proper history in schools, showing that the values of modern Britain/Europe originate in Greco-Roman and Christian ethics and values.
10. Madrasas to be banned, as they are not consonant with our values. Parents who wish their children to be educated in madrasas have the freedom to place them outside the UK. Re-entry to the UK subject to something similar re #5.
I’ll vote for you!