START THE WEEK OPEN THREAD…

Here you go. BBC ablaze this morning feeling outrage on behalf of Finsbury Park Mosque community whilst also doing everything possible to belittle the UK position in the Brexit talks beginning today (Mandelson and Stuart Rose given platforms). Detail the bias here.

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  1. gaxvil says:

    It’s really asking a awful lot to feel kinship with a group, no matter how many ROP protestations to the contrary, to those proven to want to see us dead and having killed thousands already. We’ve had one, maybe faux terrorist, they’ve had hundreds with many actively plotting as we speak.
    As I say, asking an awful lot.

       41 likes

    • G says:

      Gax,
      But they all share one endearing quality: an understanding that the best thing that can happen to them in life, is death. Noralotofpeepleknowthat! Strangely, that’s why they make the best terrorists.

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      • chrisH says:

        Don`t know and don`t care.
        Don`t believe whatever spin the BBC will put on the death or otherwise of their favourite faith.
        Don`t believe in Islamophobia-no such thing, a UN/Arab League effort to hobble language worldwide. Hence its constant usage as a term.
        You only have a “phobia” if its irrational.
        Being angered and scared, pissed off and contemptuous of Islam is no phobia-it`s an essential part of your survival in the west 2017.
        This response if true is a little and very late.
        People have been provoked beyond endurance with media lies and political stitch ups. Had they addressed the causes of Islamic Supremacy , we would not now be in this pickle.
        And if it shows just one Islam suckup group that we have a breaking point, then it might help do some good.

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        • Grant says:

          cH,

          You make a good point. “Islamophobia” is the wrong word. Fear of Islam is perfectly rational. Lack of fear of Islam is irrational.

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        • Lucy Pevensey says:

          Chris, “Don`t believe in Islamophobia-no such thing”

          THIS! We need to disallow the so-called “Islamophobia” term. It’s frustrating not to have voices in the MSM. We need to be blocking it’s usage at every opportunity. Excuse me, whatophobia? Mrs May?
          Khan, Trudeau, Lily Allen, random Mohammedans, BBC hacks, whoever. Ideally we should have journalists challenging the term itself & closing down it’s usage. It’s a pseudoword. made up to use as a political tool.
          It makes no sense. I have heard it said Islamophobia as a word makes about as much sense as Naziphobia. It needs to be dismissed. A phobia is an irrational fear. Being afraid of being killed is NOT an irrational fear. There is no such thing as so-called “Islamophobia”

          It’s OK to dislike Islam. It’s OK to be suspicious of Muslims. It’s NOT a crime

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  2. G says:

    ECHR Case Study: This is why the ECHR is so out of touch with reality –
    http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/European%20Court%20of%20Human%20Rights
    As it is a condition of membership of the EU, if we were no longer bound by that organisation we could extricate ourselves from the ECHR circus.

    However, see the reasons why the ECHR found that sharia law is incompatible with the principles of democracy. Apart from EU/ECHR kettles being black , the finding –
    http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/echr-sharia-incompatible-with.html

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  3. StewGreen says:

    “Surge in support for Gab, a website that allows hate speech” – The Times
    em… all social media allow “hate speech” BY LibMob eg calling for Trump’s death
    And I don’t think Gab is a complete free for all so making out it’s ALL about hatespeech is deception.

       17 likes

  4. Blackwell says:

    Let’s just hope the van driver wasn’t a BiasedBBC regular. Fingers crossed!

       12 likes

  5. StewGreen says:

    Times letter by Hesetime : “Suspend Article 50”

       6 likes

    • Grant says:

      Stew,

      Suspend that idiot Heseltine.

         24 likes

    • chrisH says:

      But it gets published doesn`t it?
      We need a Top Trumps of these worthless quislings.
      The Americans had a deck of cards for their mortal enemies in Iraq didn`t they?
      Heseltine is at the lower end, but nasty. My cards would have their worthless timelines in politics, their scandals, money creamed off us, money skimmed from the EU, pension rights and willingness to stab your country in the back to get into the Times or get onto the BBC.
      My favourite Heseltine moment?-when the sad fop had a heart attack in Venice after Majors Tory stuffing in 1997.
      Why the hell we took this worthless creep back to be treated is beyond me.
      Banana in Pyjamas.
      Thick, rich and nasty. the van Hoogstraten of politics, a brilliantine Mandelson.
      Without the charm though, we need to take a bet on when he pegs it. Hopfully April 2019, when he`s seen us leave his fucking EU.

         23 likes

      • Beltane says:

        I think he shares with Paddy Ashdown the rather quaint belief that his ‘statesmanlike qualities’ entitle his words of wisdom to ever greater significance – whatever the subject, but most especially where the EU is concerned. Certainly in Heseltine’s case he enjoys the facility to spend happy days at the chateaux of other EU bigwigs, perhaps comparing notes on arboreta. Not, for one moment, suggesting that Michael’s hair has gained artificial assistance.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Michael “For the Many (squirrels shot and £278 million net worth), not the Few (squirrels that got away)” Heseltine.

      “Lord and Lady Heseltine​ ​on gardening: ‘We shot​ ​350 squirrels​ ​– absolutely awful things'”
      – Guardian, October 2016

      Michael Heseltine – worth is £278 million and the fourth richest politician of UK (2016) – I didn’t know that!

         22 likes

      • chrisH says:

        Didn`t he strangle a dog?
        Anybody told PETA yet, for that retrospective show trial of historical canine abuse?
        Justice for Fido#…NOW!
        Oh-think he tried to strangle me too in Toxteh 1981, happy to join others in a Class Action we might divvy up.

           12 likes

    • Payne by name says:

      So hard to trust someone when their facial hair (namely their eyebrows) are so widely out of control. How out of touch are these individuals that they must believe that wild eyebrows implies some kind of wisdom?

         4 likes

  6. StewGreen says:

    Dan Snow got crowdfunding to launch Netflicks-style History channel
    ..Would that mean an exit from BBC ?

       11 likes

  7. 7Clubs says:

    Heseltine was a Giant compared to anyone in the current Cabinet.
    He had a CV,charisma and genuine beliefs.May,Rudd and Hammond have none.

       4 likes

  8. StewGreen says:

    Same old LibMob behaviour
    – First they PORTRAY their political opposites as a MONSTER
    – Then, they BEHAVE in the same way as that monster they have just thought up.
    #Projection

    We really know nothing about the van driver, yet Cox/Rowling portray him as a “white nationalist” “terrorist was radicalised” by Farage/Robinson/KTHopkins
    … that looks like unevidenced hatespeak.

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  9. G.W.F. says:

    Pamella Geller may have misquoted Treezer vowing to stamp out Islamophobia. But her article is correct. Treezer and her Toy Boy, Emir of Londonistan, need to go and go fast before they destroy what is left of our freedoms and culture . She is dangerous and will do anything to appease the Moslem community

    Perhaps the BBC and loony left have attacked her with bias, but if that is what it takes to remove a Quisling so be it.

    http://pamelageller.com/2017/06/uk-pm-theresa-may-vows-stamp-islamophobia.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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    • G.W.F. says:

      Correction, Treezer did say Islamophobia had to be stamped out. Just checked the BBC.
      God what a dreadful speech about British values and freedom of speech from an ugly repulsive woman who supports sharia.
      I said ugly – can’t she do something with that mouth of hers, learn to control her facial muscles. It just adds to her insincerity

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      • Lobster says:

        “Can’t she do something with that mouth of hers”
        Keeping it shut would suit me fine.

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    • Doublethinker says:

      GWF,
      Problem is that she will be replaced by another Quisling. We have an endless supply of Quislings .In fact are there any politicians in the UK who aren’t Quislings? Our politicians in the UK and across most of the West have consistently failed us for the past forty or fifty years and landed us in a dreadful situation from which there is no easy escape. None of this was inevitable and all of it was easily foreseeable . We have been led by fools who allowed our young people to be brainwashed by the BBC and the educational system into a belief that the UK and the West was an evil oppressor , bereft of achievements, and utterly worthless. Is it any wonder that with this belief deeply engrained young people think that they are losing nothing as they see their democracy, liberty , culture and history being swept away. I doubt that there is time to undo the evil work of the socialists and liberal left over the past fifty years. I do believe that in thirty or forty years time those who are in their sixties or seventies will look back in anger from the awful situation in which they find themselves and wonder how they were duped into allowing so many good things to be jettisoned .

         33 likes

      • Dystopian says:

        Cue libtards singing “Don’t look back in anger”!

           11 likes

        • Rob in Cheshire says:

          Music will be haram by then. We will just have the wailing of the muezzin to remind us who the masters are.

             6 likes

  10. popeye says:

    Just this minute on BBC news – “Jeremy Corbyn arriving at the site with Labour Mayor Sadiq Khan”. Now I may be wrong but I cannot recall, in a normal news item, Boris Johnson ever being introduced as the Conservative Mayor. Drip, drip…

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  11. Charlie Martel says:

    Whatever your position on the political spectrum, after the events of the past few weeks it must now be crystal clear that multiculturalism and multi-faithism aren’t working.

    At least when one of the ‘faiths’ is in fact a political ideology bent on world conquest and totally at odds with Western liberalism: anti-secular, supremacist, anti-Christian, antisemitic, homophobic and misogynistic to name but a few.

    (I don’t recall many instances of Buddhists shouting Buddha is the Greatest before blowing themselves up, or Hindus screaming Krishna is Great, or Jews screaming Oy Vey, die you Gentiles.

       37 likes

    • ObiWan says:

      Buddhism and Hinduism have both produced radical terrorists willing to commit acts of violence and murder in their name. At this point it’s fair to say that just about every organised religion has at one time or another produced murder and mayhem to some degree.

      The only question that need concern us now is which of the world’s religions currently represents the biggest, most destructive, consistently violent and murderous threat to the lives of ordinary people the world over?

      I’ll leave you to hazard a guess at that – or you could check back over the page to my last post where there’s a picture detailing this year’s tally of murder of mayhem committed in the name of one particular special needs religion. Suffice to say the Religion of Special Exceptions is leading the charge – in fact, it’s the only one racking up the kills. And we’re only halfway through the year.

         18 likes

  12. Lobster says:

    I see that the BBC have named the man suspected of being involved in the Finsbury Park mosque incident.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616
    I didn’t think that suspects were named until they were actually charged, as in this case
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-40324410
    I wonder why that could be ……….?

       31 likes

    • ToobiWan says:

      Wasn’t there a lot of faux outrage as well, Lobbie, when the septics revealed Abedi’s name too early ?Something to do with the ongoing investigation and not wanting to give any advanced warning to any accomplices that he had shuffled off this mortal coil?. They must be confident that they have rounded up all of Mr Osbornes’ “terrorist” cell already then. Or finished redecorating his flat with the correct sort of posters, videos and reading matter!

         31 likes

      • G.W.F. says:

        ToobiWan

        Or finished redecorating his flat with the correct sort of posters, videos and reading matter!

        Worth checking the local library and booksellers who may have been visited by members of the plod with an interest in WW2 history

           19 likes

        • ToobiWan says:

          I don’t buy the terrorist angle now, G.W.F. I think it more likely mob related, the Taffia are pretty active in Cardiff.

             7 likes

          • taffman says:

            ToobiWan
            Did someone mention ‘Taffia’?
            Be careful or ‘you may get an offer you can’t refuse’.
            😉

               6 likes

            • ToobiWan says:

              That was quick Taff, your’re not a Capo or Don are you? Horse or sheep’s head in the bed? 🙂

                 3 likes

              • taffman says:

                ToobiWan
                No I am a Dai , we are all Dai over here.
                Sheep my boy, always sheep in the bed .

                   10 likes

            • Cranmer says:

              I thought the Taffia were supposed to make ‘an offer you can’t understand’?

                 7 likes

  13. Captain Panick says:

    I used to work near the ‘ incident’ in Seven Sisters Road, so was rather confused by the BBC overhead shot of where the van came to rest. It is nowhere near the Finsbury Park Mosque, rather it is opposite a Church. The old Rainbow Theatre at 232 Seven Sisters Road was, the last time I went past, The Universal Church of the Kingdom of God. And directly opposite that was where the BBC show the van. 4 BN Quid, my arse.

       26 likes

  14. taffman says:

    Is The EU about to tumble ?
    First ……6 months ago “Referendum result adds to Italian banks’ woes”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36708357
    Today , not on Al Beeb …………
    “Italy, EU Race to Find Solution for Two Troubled Banks”
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-18/italy-eu-race-to-find-solution-for-two-troubled-banks-in-veneto
    The EU needs British and German money .

       14 likes

  15. Dover Sentry says:

    “”In September 2016, Mayor Khan actually had the gall to say that citizens in big cities should just get used to terrorism””

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/16770/flashback-muslim-mayor-london-told-citizens-get-michael-qazvini

    What’s he saying now?

       30 likes

  16. gaxvil says:

    Theresa ‘Canute’ May says she’s going to tackle Islamophobia also.
    That, as pointed out earlier, is the irrational fear of Muslims. Trouble is, people have that very rational fear of Muslims so barring lobotomies for all, not sure how she’ll achieve that one. Although she likely means just the repression of any expression of negative Muslim sentiments. She can back it up with the full weight of the law of course and as she was Home Secretary for many years, I wish her the best of (enriched) British (passport holder) luck while adding, you broke it – you fix it.

       26 likes

    • nogginator says:

      She is an incompetent self serving, wretch who will do anything to retain power, that said the whole cabinet is as bad.

      … drain the swamp

         16 likes

  17. taffman says:

    “Amanda Holden’s ‘topless dress’ escapes Ofcom investigation”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40327333
    Ofcom sholuld be looking at far more important things at Al Beeb than Amanda’s dress.

       18 likes

    • gaxvil says:

      Headline: “Holden avoids being probed” – Oooerr Missus.

      So that’s why OFCOM achieve nothing – too busy ogling knockers.

         13 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      The word ‘investigation’ in such matters always amuses.

      A lump of mutton dressed in a string bag looks like a lump of mutton dressed in a string bag.

      Just suggest she avoids Cologne, Malmo, Finsbury Park, etc. On foot at least.

         7 likes

    • Beltane says:

      Yes Taffman, but in the context of a woman’s dress giving offence there are significant aspects for the BBC to consider, for some, anyway….

         6 likes

  18. Dystopian says:

    We are told that the previous terrorist atrocities are “nothing to do with Islam”
    So, if that is the case how can this attack on Muslims be perceived as a revenge attack?
    If the other attacks were nothing to do with Islam how can this one be anything to do with Islamophobia?

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    • maxincony says:

      So, if that is the case how can this attack on Muslims be perceived as a revenge attack?

      Because the pea-brained attacker thought it was to do with Islam.

      Because he’s an idiot.

         6 likes

      • taffman says:

        So Maxi, why do you post here?
        You are not doing Al Beeb any favors.

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      • BRISSLES says:

        So, the systematic rape of young white girls in Rotherham and Rochdale, by Islamic (sweaty, fat and ugly) men has nothing to do with the twisted idealogy of Islam then ? A shame that the PM of the day did not make the same speech of condemnation against Islam, as was made today on the event at Finsbury Park.

        Surely those who are ‘idiots’ and ‘pea-brained’ are those in authority who honestly did not see this coming. Enough is Enough was the cry a couple of weeks ago, well revenge attacks and vigilante groups, objectionable maybe, but could be a regular occurrence if nothing is done. The media can push the ‘fascist’ and ‘extreme right-wing’ rhetoric till they’re blue in the face. I don’t consider myself to be either of these, but if I just want my country back is a fascist idealogy, then maybe I am !!!!

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        • maxincony says:

          BRISSLES,

          So, the systematic rape of young white girls in Rotherham and Rochdale, by Islamic (sweaty, fat and ugly) men has nothing to do with the twisted idealogy of Islam then?

          It has as much to do with Islam as the rape of white girls by Christian (sweaty, fat and ugly) men has to do with Christianity.

          … revenge attacks and vigilante groups, objectionable maybe, but could be a regular occurrence if nothing is done

          Attacking random innocent people in the street “because they look a bit like someone else” is not revenge or vigilantism; It’s just attacking random innocent people; “because they look a bit like someone else”.

          but if I just want my country back is a fascist idealogy, then maybe I am !!!!

          Ok. So what do you suggest needs to be done in order to get your country back?

          And what difference do you think that would make to your day to day life?

             4 likes

          • G.W.F. says:

            Maxi aka Zero of Camden public toilets

            I fail to see how your response to Brissles negates any of her points.
            Try to assemble a coherent argument.

            I would think that applying laws which forbid the rape of children is an important way of getting my country back from a failed multicultural experiment. And that would make a big difference to my life as I could allow my daughter to walk to school instead of acting like a vigilante and driving her to school.

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          • Jo says:

            “It has as much to do with Islam as the rape of white girls by Christian (sweaty, fat and ugly) men has to do with Christianity. ”

            As your grasp of figures appears to be on a sub-Abbott level, just one point:

            Rotherham is a town in S Yorkshire – it’s not even a city but Muslims manage to clock up 1400 rapes. That’s quite an achievement.

            I don’t think that “Christian rapes” on a per capita basis even come close, do you? And that’s not taking into account mass rapes in other towns and cities.

            Muslims are still a minority in this country and look at what they have achieved !

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      • Al Shubtill says:

        maxi – Do you have to troll around the internet, adding random; single; unintelligent and fatuous posts to certain websites’ threads? Is that to ensure that your bosses are kept happy?

        What a complete waste of skin and air you are.

           14 likes

        • maxincony says:

          Al Shubtill,

          What a complete waste of skin and air you are.

          Al, I’m very sorry if my opinion offends you. Perhaps you could construct a rational argument as to why you think my opinion is so offensive; rather than resorting to personal abuse.

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          • Al Shubtill says:

            maxi – You are the last person on this site who should be complaining about personal abuse, someone for whom ad hominem attacks usually form the core of the posts you make.
            I suppose that is to try to deflect from the fact that you never answer any questions about your views or counter arguments to instances of al Beebus bias that are detailed here by others.

               11 likes

            • Cranmer says:

              Maxincony is the intellectual equivalent of a child ringing doorbells then running away.

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              • BRISSLES says:

                Maxi..
                Ok. So what do you suggest needs to be done in order to get your country back?

                And what difference do you think that would make to your day to day life?
                …………………………………………………
                Answer to the first – I think we all know that one which you seemingly wish to ignore.

                Answer to the second – Not sure how old you are, but life was much sweeter (apart from the odd strike, clashes with police and 3 day week) pre our entry into the EEC. However much you hate hearing it, we did not have to compete for jobs, our education system demanded discipline so we learned much better, our hospitals were 200% cleaner, and housing was not a problem (as an engaged couple we could get on the housing list, waiting just 3 years before we were offered a 2 bed flat). Oh yes, and a rape would be national news because it was such a rare occurrence, – now its happening daily and not even worth mentioning.

                I am however glad that we have ‘youngsters’ who can see what’s happening, and what the future holds – I’m thinking in particular one Douglas Murray.

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      • Dave S says:

        Purely in a spirit of enquiry I wonder if you can enlighten us on the possible motives of the Manchester and London terrorists. That makes one in Manchester and three (inc. the latest) in London.
        Many of us would really like to know.

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      • Dystopian says:

        So, Maxincony-can you please explain how it is “pea brained” to assume that,
        anyone supporting a group calling themselves “Islamic State” , shouting out a phrase specific to Allah, before murdering “unbelievers” in the name of Islam (as directed by Islamic scriptures) is anything to do with Islam?
        Just tell the truth instead of practicing “Takiya” and pretending that the Quran is a peaceful book ( forgetting of course to mention abrogation!).

        The apologists and deniers,like yourself, are so desperate to hide the truth because you can’t admit that Islam IS INDEED a fundamentally flawed ideology and it is the scriptures themselves that need to be scrutinised without all this B/S about not offending “moderate” Muslims.
        I mean what is a “moderate Muslim”? If you are a Muslim you believe in the Quran so therefore you supposedly support its values-or do
        “Moderate muslims” just cherry pick the parts of the Quran they choose to obey?

           11 likes

  19. nogginator says:

    Not the Al BBC,

       9 likes

  20. Dystopian says:

    Further to the Grenfell Fire, has anyone heard any news of which type of fridge are going to be recalled for the spontaneous combustion fault?

       26 likes

    • Alan says:

      Yes, remarkable lack of interest in the actual cause of the fire and why the flat didn’t contain the fire for the one hour it was supposed to….probably because the tenant had the windows open….which allows the fire to move up to the next floor given the right circumstances The narrative about the causes is very focussed on the ‘political’ cladding….but history [but not the BBC] shows Labour is just as much to blame as anyone for lack of action to fire-proof these buildings properly, a report in 2000 on a fire in Scotland raising much the same issues as the Grenfell fire. How did Labour react? Sat on their hands.

         27 likes

      • G.W.F. says:

        If the driver turns out to be innocent, a genuine accident, or possibly drunk driving, not a revenge terror attack, it will present an interesting ethical and political problem.

        Imagine what would happen if he were released or prosecuted for a minor charge?
        There would be riots by mohamidans and their left supporters. Treezer would have to retract her condemnation and so would the BBC and the media.
        This will not happen.
        The driver will be found guilty of murder, terrorism, and will be beaten to death (suicide) in prison.

        ——-

        Incidentally, a sad sign of the times is that after equating Tommy Robinson with a hate preacher and a fatuous attempt to accuse him of calling for violence against moslems, Guido is now closely monitoring and blocking posts on the subject

           23 likes

        • Lucy Pevensey says:

          Well, good-bye Guido.

             17 likes

          • G.W.F. says:

            Lucy Pevensey

            Here is Guido’s piece. In the videos Robinson is not advocating violence; he is warning that it may follow as a result of the authorities failing to deal with Islamic terrorism.
            The comments in response to Guido are revealing.

            https://order-order.com/2017/06/19/tommy-robinson-called-british-muslims-enemy-combatants/

               9 likes

            • Rob in Cheshire says:

              If nothing is done to curb the growth of islam in this country (and we all know it won’t be), there are only two futures open to us:

              1. The white British will become dhimmis;

              2. There will be a civil war.

              I believe this, and Guido Fawkes can kiss my arse for all I care.

              Can Guido point to any country where muslims and Christians have lived peacefully side by side? It never happens. You either get dhimmitude or civil war.

                 18 likes

    • pertelote says:

      beko???..surely not..theynare Tirkisj!

         2 likes

  21. G says:

    Thousands of violent Jihadists in Sweden now –
    http://www.newobserveronline.com/2017/06/thousands-of-violent-islamists-in.html

    “……..the security service believes few of them have the ability to, or EVEN INTEND TO, carry out a terror attack in Sweden.”
    Sounds more like a, ‘wing and a prayer’ to me. This pitiful level of naivety got us where we are now. How long do the Swedes think it will take these “thousands” to become active if islam is threatened in Sweden?

       21 likes

    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      As a kid, I remember all manner of stories about the fearsome Vikings as they came to thic country.
      When I worked in Denmark as a student, I knew of their bravery in the war. And although they`d not teach much of the Finns role in fighting Stalin before WW2, we did find things out about their resistance, and the fact that the Soviets failed to roll them over like the Baltics.

      And now today?…it`s as if the whole Scandinavian project has replaced a kestrel with a dodo .
      Submissive, stupid and wilfully wishing to be the Muslims doormat. Because they wanted to be a world-beating “soft superpower”. Well-they`re as soft as any hari-kiri rubber sword as thrown out of the IKEA ball pool.
      Tragic.
      Well, let it stand as a Muslim reservation, let`s watch Islam try to create Islam in one enclosed sealed section of Europe.
      Be interesting to watch what happens, as long as it stays there.

         22 likes

    • Dystopian says:

      I think they are more wary of revenge attacks in Sweden they have IKEA who specialise in flat paks

         1 likes

  22. Lucy Pevensey says:

    religion-of-peace.jpg

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  23. Lucy Pevensey says:

    What really happened on Seven Sisters Road (which isn’t near the mosk) last night?
    I’m seeing so many conflicting stories it’s becoming difficult to believe any of it.
    I’m hearing it’s one dead but it was the man who was on the ground before the van incident.
    That would mean no one was actually killed in an attack. (getting headache)

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    • Tabs says:

      They are also saying the van mounted the pavement although all the video footage of the van is in the middle of the road. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Muslim were praying in the street at the time and the “attack” wasn’t premeditated. Driving a van from Wales to London in the early morning to find a group of Muslims to run over seems very far fetched to me.

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      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        Supposedly people had to hold him (the Welsh driver) down for about 1/2 hour before the police arrived and he was “very big” & “very strong”. Yet I heard channel 4 describe him as “aged mid sixties to early seventies”

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        • Tabs says:

          Also notice no video footage of any blood in the road? After the Nice attack/Westminster/London bridge attacks there was blood everywhere.

          In fact I haven’t heard a single word about the other injured Muslims. Are any of them still in hospital in a stable/critical condition?

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    • Dystopian says:

      I’m sick of hearing the lying BBC and MSM stating that it was the “Finsbury Mosque attack” when it was nowhere near the mosque. The media are the driving force (no pun intended) behind all the tension with all their sh1t stirring and B/S propaganda.

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  24. EnglandExpects says:

    The man who died on Severn Sisters Rd reportedly had 6 children. Sums it all up really . We have one last generation of relative freedom.

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  25. MarkyMark says:

    We can overcome this impasse! Let’s Move Forward! “Enough for the Many, Enough for the Few”.

    It seems to me that Labour have lost ([email protected]%) but act as though they have won and the Conservatives have won ([email protected]%) but are waiting to lose, rather than take power and getting on with it.

    So I suggest rather than this continuing this tiring political, we take this problem further a field. Venezuela is praised by some Labour Members as a socialist dream, along with Cuba, South Africa and China. So we do a ‘wealth transfer’ of people.

    All members of Labour Party with families (483,000 Labour Members March2017) can transfer to one of the countries that signs up for this great experiment. In response, people from the socialist countries who no longer want the socialist dream, because they are living it, can come to the UK – trying to keep it 1:1 as close as possible – same skill would be great but this won’t be completely possible.

    We run this for 10 years and see where we get to. Socialist get to build their socialist dream in a socialist country, possibly with sunnier weather. The people who have had enough of the socialist dream can come to the UK to work hard and improve the UK.

    “For all his flaws, Castro’s support for Angola played a crucial role in bringing an end to Apartheid in South Africa and he will be remembered both as an internationalist and a champion of social justice.” – Corbyn
    “Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared. He made massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world” – Corbyn
    “He said his ‘core values’ (interesting to know what they are) had not changed during the 34 years (thats a lot of time to be an MP) as an MP and cited his campaigning against discrimination in South Africa and fighting ‘unfairness’.” Corbyn, april2017

    “Well over 150,000 Venezuelans have fled the country in the last year alone, the highest in more than a decade, according to scholars studying the exodus.” newyorkpost / nov2016

    The total full-time staff numbers are at 18,974 this year compared with 18,674 in the previous 12 months. The amount spent on on-screen and on-air talent has also increased from £194.23m in 2013/14 to £208.49m in 2014/15.
    * “The Great British Bake Off” presenters. Rumoured BBC salaries: £500,000 ($661,900). Aug2016
    * Claudia Winkleman. Rumoured BBC salary: More than £500,000.
    * Gary Lineker. Rumoured BBC salary: £1.5 million ($2 million).
    * Graham Norton. Rumoured BBC salary: Up to £2.5 million

    BBC and it’s presenters can go as well! Everyone Wins!

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  26. pertelote says:

    karma! ..end of innit..?

    what goes around..comes around! ..innit?

    sorry for the loss of human life innit!

    ..know what I mean innit’?

    fuckwits..
    innit?
    Listening to the “news” our great English language sems to have been destroyed?..fuckwits..”innit”!?

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  27. EnglandExpects says:

    They’ll try to pin the most serious charges on him but will they stick? Causing death by dangerous driving might be a possibility among lesser charges but the pro Muslim lobby won’t like that . But if the guy who died was having a heart attack at the time anyway it will be perhaps difficult to introduce murder . But remember Thomas Mair was given short shrift by the court, not helped by him not speaking up for himself. No mental health factors were allowed to be considered. The establishment will be merciless. After all it’s a white non Muslim.

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  28. pertelote says:

    expect xtra kuffr tax next..to proect the muss-slimes..sorry dom’t lknpw hot o spekll that ptroperly

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  29. pertelote says:

    bacon sarnie…comin’ up courtesy of the George foreskin man!..innit’;
    ..you can’t beat bacon on days like this!..innit’?

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  30. pertelote says:

    you know what?…I watched TV today..a rare event for me.
    I tried BBC, ITV, Ch4.. but it seems to me that they (MSM) are imo all lying wankers. However, having supped it all up for about 30 minutes I am left with the over-riding feeling that I really don’t like m****** very much at all.
    Am I allowed to say thay anymore?
    ..they whinge constantly..they complain at evry opportunity..they think they are so special..but I wish they were gone from our once green and pleasant land.

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  31. ToobiWan says:

    I wonder if they ever found out who did this….and why? Can’t remember any outcry at the time, anyone?
    http://news.sky.com/story/rotherham-abuse-scandal-policeman-dies-10372399

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    • Tabs says:

      Strange how a policeman can be hit by a car and dies and it “is not being treated as suspicious” but when a van hits Muslims….

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  32. Tabs says:

    Some of you may find this interesting…

    Finsbury Park Mosque was famous for its high turnout of terrorists such as shoe bomber Richard Reid, Zacarias Moussaoui and everyone’s favourite “hook” Abu Hamza al-Masri.

    Mohammed Kozbar then took over the running of the Mosque and he is also vice president of the Muslim Association of Britain. The Mosque is now supposed to be a perfect example of a peaceful Mosque.

    This journalist went to the Mosque in 2014 and asked some awkward questions and was locked in a room by Mohammed Kozbar:
    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/media/print/2014/08/24/Locked-up-Finsbury-Park-Mosque-detains-journalist-after-tricky-questions.html

    And now that same Mosque is in the news today…

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  33. nogginator says:

    Theresa May vows to stamp out “Islamophobia
    A non-Muslim who reportedly declared that he wanted to “kill all Muslims” plowed into a crowd at the notorious jihad terror-tied Finsbury Park Mosque. Any attack on any innocent people is reprehensible and to be condemned, and this one is no different. It does, however, present a tremendous opportunity to the British political and media establishment.
    They have declared that “far-right extremism” is just as much of a threat as jihad terror, but they haven’t had any “far-right extremism” to validate their narrative aside from an occasion strip of bacon at a mosque — only highlighting how hysterical this narrative is as the casualties of Islamic jihad attacks continue to mount.

    But now they have this, and it is clear that Theresa May and her cohorts are determined to make the most of it to take even more actions against “Islamophobia” — by which they mean not just vigilante attacks against innocent Muslims, but also honest analysis of how jihadis use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism. The Finsbury Park Mosque has a record of jihad terror activity, but reporting on that will be seen as inciting violence against innocent Muslims, and all vestiges of any sane response to the jihad terror threat that may remain in Britain now will be shut down.

    The worst aspect of this is that this attack appears to have been undertaken by someone who was overwhelmed with frustration at what the British government is doing to the country.
    If May really wants to stamp out “Islamophobia,” she could do it easily by working swiftly and honestly against the jihad threat, rather than accommodating and appeasing Islamic supremacists at every turn. It is that appeasement, not truthful counterterror analysis, that incites vigilantism. If she dealt with the jihad threat in any effective way, then there would be no more attacks like this one. She and her government, due to their supine response to jihad, bear the ultimate responsibility for the horrific incident at the Finsbury Park Mosque.
    R Spencer

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/uk-theresa-may-vows-to-stamp-out-islamophobia

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    • gaxvil says:

      ” She and her government, due to their supine response to jihad, bear the ultimate responsibility ……………”
      That is all too true but, as Khan gave as the reason for Grenfell, “the failure of successive governments and local authorities.”
      In the case of Islamic terror, supplanting of the British by immigration and numerous other things the only answer they have is to silence the messenger.

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    • chrisH says:

      Poor Mrs May is as clueless as Ted Heath, is as much a monkey on the media stick as Gordon Brown.
      You need another level of insight to deal with Islam.
      Andy Tyrie of the UDA put it well
      “You only beat terrorism when you are willing and able to terrorise the terrorist. And do it better than he does”.
      Can`t imagine any of the liberal elite would do other but put this in a doggie bag. But I know it to be true, and her every shambles from crisis to crisis is politically worrying.
      Are there ANY Ministers who could stand up to Islam these days?
      Guess the Tory cringe to Muslims started with Eric Pickles and his prostrations before those who hounded out Ray Honeyford in Bradford 1984/5.
      The churches are even worse-only the few brave sacked ones know. Then they get removed.

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      • taffman says:

        chrisH
        “The churches are even worse-only the few brave sacked ones know. ”
        Sad to say, the church is finnished . They lost their way a long time ago .
        They don’t even know the meaning of Christanity.

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        • chrisH says:


          Here is the EU Dream , were it to be made as explicit on the BBC.
          Makes me sick-but says more about what the media fantasists dream of than endless paragraphs.
          Only hope Al Shabab and Boko Haram reckon that we`re not worth the Libyan ferry crossing fare on watching it…think I`ve got diabetes like Dianne now.

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          • MarkyMark says:

            And then the world?
            I wonder if we could use a religion to spread this idea faster…umm, which one to choose from the 4000 around at the moment….

            1280px-Muslim_Percent_Population_v2.svg.png

            I remember when world domination videos had a backing track with a bit more of a thump. Softly. Softly.

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        • G.W.F. says:

          I cannot any longer believe the Government have lost their way over Islamic terrorism. May has intended all along to appease Islamists, and we can expect some curbs on social media critics outlined following the Queen’s Speech

          I am sure that May and her Toy Boy Mayor have had their heads together quite frequently.

          This incident at Finsbury Park could not have come at a better time for May. Just a couple of days before her proposed anti far right legislation is introduced. One might be forgiven for thinking that it was pre-arranged.

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  34. BRISSLES says:

    Well, tomorrows headlines have the Iman portrayed as a ‘hero’. On Sky Kevin Maguire referred to him as a true British Muslim – someone you’d be proud to live next door to. New Year’s Honour now in the offing ????

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    • ToobiWan says:

      Place on Great British Bake Off my guess, Briss. Hollywood beckons.

         12 likes

    • taffman says:

      BRISSLES
      I bet Kev would relly love him living next door.
      😀

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    • Guest Who says:

      Smart cookie. Admirable restraint. Tearing likely murderer apart at the scene of a mass assault would a) look bad (previous efforts, and there have been many, have seen mainly self shredding or death by cop due to the stabby stabby of women and kids and gays) and b) sets a dodgy precedent if passers by get the idea this is perhaps a more satisfactory justice system.

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  35. ID says:

    ZDF, one of the two German BBCs, was commenting on a major aspect of the Brexit talks which opened today – the exchange of gifts between Davis and Barnier. The theme was hiking because, apparently, May is a keen hiker. Davis gave Barnier a book on hiking and Barnier gave Davis a walking stick. One ZDF card remarked that Davis would have been better off getting a crutch – such is the chaos in Britain. Who says Germans have no sense of humour? Davis’ negotiating position seems to have been prostrated before Barnier, occasionally being allowed to his knees to perform various acts of anilinctus on the sublime and sovreign Barnier.

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  36. gaxvil says:

    How any rational person (May, Khan) can equate years of slaughter in the name of Islam, ‘perverted’ or not, with one bloke in a van is quite a trick.

    Of course they’re fighting a desperate rear guard action to defend the fairy-tale of multicultural unity and supposedly maintain social cohesion. They’re in a corner so it calls for the Nelson option: “Ships? I see no ships.”
    Unfortunately they both have a super tanker rammed firmly up their collective arses.

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    • Cranmer says:

      I think the government realises that any attempt to properly clamp down on Islamic extremism will lead to something akin to the Indian Mutiny.

      If, however, the bogeyman of an equally bad or worse ‘far right’ can be successfully instilled into the minds of the public, then it creates a sort of ‘cold war’ balance where oppressive legislation under the guise of beneficent neutrality can be imposed.

      It’s like a primary school with a really nasty bully who beats other kids up at playtime, and instead of dealing with him the school simply bans playtime in case any of the other kids are tempted to fight back. ‘But Khan started it, sir!’ ‘I don’t care, Robinson – if you can’t play nicely you won’t play at all!’

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  37. BRISSLES says:

    Love it Gax !!

    Have a chuckle…………………

    The importance of accuracy in your tax return:

    The Australian Tax Office has returned the Tax Return to a man in Townsville after he apparently answered one of the questions.

    In response to the question, “Do you have anyone dependent on you?”

    The man wrote:
    “2.1 million illegal immigrants,
    1.1 million crackheads,
    4.4 million unemployable scroungers,
    80,000 criminals in over 85 prisons,
    450 idiots in Parliament,
    thousands of ‘retired politicians’
    and an entire group that call themselves ‘Senators’

    The ATO stated that the response he gave was “unacceptable”.

    The man’s response back to ATO was, “Who did I leave out?”

       66 likes

    • gaxvil says:

      Briss,
      Thanks – I needed that.

         8 likes

    • taffman says:

      That would apply to GB .

         5 likes

    • Helena Hand-Basket says:

      Brissles, he left out the ABC – Australia’s answer to the BBC! We pay for it in taxation, not a licence fee. It is lefty, multiculturalist, pro-immigration and depicts white Anglo Aussies as racists colonisers who stole Aboriginal land.

      Fortunately, not many people watch it. It’s widely viewed as dull (true) and highbrow. Unfortunately, though, the commercial TV channels are rapidly catching it up on the political correctness front.

      Have you considered moving to the Antipodes to escape news of the Grenfell tower block fire? If so, forget it! The news programmes here have been leading with it, especially the ABC.

         14 likes

  38. taffman says:

    Today is “World refugee day”
    Refugees at highest ever level, reaching 65m, says UN
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-36573082
    Well there are some massive continents out there, but Great Britain is ‘full up ’ .
    Over to you Al Beeb , what is the answer ?

       16 likes

    • Richard Pinder says:

      Gift the British Antarctic Territory to Bob Geldof, on the condition that under his Presidency, he, his new nation and his charities, pay for the building of thousands of “skyscrapers for refugees“, in the newly independent Peoples Democratic Republic of Geldofland. He can also pay for the cladding and fridges.

         18 likes

    • BRISSLES says:

      Its always World Refugee Day in the UK – well according to the BBC anyway. We’ll be having Hug-a-Muslim day before long.

         3 likes

  39. StewGreen says:

    Israel Govenment DG of foreign affairs calls BBC unreliable

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  40. StewGreen says:

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    • taffman says:

      StewGreen
      Looking around the world, ‘peace’ is the wrong word I am afraid .
      Its just ‘Blue Peter’ at its best , brainwashing the kids .

         19 likes

    • Richard Pinder says:

      “What is Islamophobia?”
      Answer: Fear of being killed by an Islamicist. Which is a criminal offence, if not successfully repressed.

      Therefore, successfully stamping out Islamophobia would involve stamping out either Islam, every other religion, or the use of Berserker type drugs to destroy the part of the brain that produces the emotion of fear.

      Theresa May looks like she uses Berserker type drugs.

         30 likes

    • Dystopian says:

      BBC lying?
      BBC promoting Islam?
      BBC grooming children?

      Surely not

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  41. taffman says:

    My synopsis of the day,
    Al Beeb the media and the government is too Londoncentric, it does not represent the views or opinions of the people of the rest of Great Britain. Hence the move to get out of the EU and the poor results of the Tory party in the GE.
    They were not listening then and they are not listening now. The British People are slowly getting fed up.

       36 likes

    • Richard Pinder says:

      Springwatch has replaced the ethnic composition of rural Wales with the ethnic composition of London.

      Count Arthur has replaced the ethnic composition of a Pub in Doncaster with the ethnic composition of a Turkish Café in London.

      In fact everyone on the BBC has to look, behave and dress like a low IQ, middle-class, left-wing, Labour supporting, multicultural but atheist and Liberal Fascist Londoner.

         30 likes

    • Doublethinker says:

      Taff,
      I have been on holiday in France since the election and haven’t got the full analysis of the GE voting patterns but i can’t understand why people who voted Brexit in the referendum could possibly vote Labour i the GE. I appreciate that the choice was about choosing the least bad option but Labour is much the worse option on Brexit and immigration.
      I’m afraid that the GE result will be interpreted by Remoaners and the EU as at least a partial move away from Brexit by the public, if not an outright rejection. The result has strengthen the hand of the Remoaners enormously. I just can’t see anything like a Hard Brexit getting through Parliament now that the , ‘ will of the people ‘ argument has been so badly undermined.
      In my view if the Brexiteers in the Tory party aren’t careful they are going to force yet another election and provide Corbyn with the keys to No 10. Then we will really be in our death throes. Keeping the radical left gangsters out of power is the most important issue facing the UK. If it means stepping back from Brexit then that is a price that has to be paid.

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  42. Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

    I see Corbyn is ‘distraught’ at the the latest attack. Poor fellow.
    I wonder if he is as distraught as he was at the times of the IRA attacks. So ‘distraught’ that he felt to invite IRA people into the House of Commons as a reward.

    That man disgusts me. And to think he is a hero figure to the BBC!

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  43. Beeb Brother says:

    Toady news bulletin this morning: family of Finsbury Park attacker say he is not a racist.

    Yeah – that’s what this was all about, Beeby: race. Nothing whatsoever to do with ideology and culture. Even as civil war erupts they throw out that old chestnut of conflating race and culture, the snide sleight of hand which has made it a thought crime to discuss the issues which so desperately need to be addressed. Keep digging our graves, Al Beeb. If we just don’t talk about the issues and pretend they do not exist we will be fine, won’t we? Just look at the past three months. We probably have not had such civil unrest for hundreds of years. Still, who cares about dead bodies? The most important thing is never seeming racist.

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  44. Beeb Brother says:

    Toady news bulletin this morning: family of Finsbury Park attacker say he is not a racist.

    Yeah – that’s what this was all about, Beeby: race. Nothing whatsoever to do with ideology and culture. Even as civil war erupts they throw out that old chestnut of conflating race and culture, the snide sleight of hand which has made it a thought crime to discuss the issues which so desperately need to be addressed. Keep digging our graves, Al Beeb. If we just don’t talk about the issues and pretend they do not exist we will be fine, won’t we? Just look at the past three months. We probably have not had such civil unrest for hundreds of years. Still, who cares about dead bodies? The most important thing is never seeming racist.

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  45. Dystopian says:

    Laura Kuntsberg spreading doom and gloom re the EU exit negotiations:

    “The debate was called “parallelism versus sequentialism” and from this afternoon’s press conference and the announcement of the procedure it is clear that the UK has lost.
    Ministers believed they would be able to persuade the EU – the failure to do so has been described as a “total cave-in”.
    The discussion was even predicted by Mr Davis as likely to be the “row of the summer”. The row won’t happen because it seems the UK has already given in.”

    No Laura, you have given in we haven’t

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    • Kaiser says:

      7am blinked awake and turned tele on to be greeted by the shadow home swamp donkey (cue fastest ever loss of morning glory)

      telling us the far right is the problem and we need to crack down on the far right and crack down on the internet

      oh dear thinks I what have the police found out, have they found a stick on hitler tache in his house or such like ?

      15mins later the beeb is now saying motive unknown

      now ive got someone essentially telling me we shouldn’t report on islamic terror and should just call them criminal gang incidents

      I see your game “so called bbc” we need to control the internet so we can NOT tell you about muslim terror

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    • gaxvil says:

      Great piece on Dead Ringers – She controls and orders everything in the world.

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  46. EnglandExpects says:

    Radio 4 Today in full flow about islamophobia, asking leading questions about whether ‘ political rhetoric’ is to blame. All very sly, no names mentioned, no examples of such rhetoric given. No doubt its all as valid as the BBC belief that large numbers of well funded and organised right wing terrorist groups are at work in the UK.

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  47. AsISeeIt says:

    “Thank you for answering the questions so honestly for us this morning”

    Lanky lightweight Dan Walker delivers this unusual BBC endorsement of the personal veracity of Diane Abbott occasional Labour spokesperson this morning. This comes at the close of an interview touching on several controversial issues where our Dan’s questions tended to tee up rather than challenge our Diane. However, leaving all that aside, on the subject of her health and her being side-lined during the election campaign she said nothing whatsoever that had not already been put into the public domain by Corbynite Labour spinners – so one wonders what was the point of our Dan voicing his support and belief in Diane’s truthfulness?

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    • MarkyMark says:

      A possible question for Diane “For the Many BBC Shows @ £100k” Abbott …

      “Dear Diane Abbott, would you have continued in your position as Home Secretary (Country’s Defence Minister) if you had to deal with an attack on the UK, but knew that your condition was impeding your memory, hair style and ability to make decisions quickly and on historical and present information? Also, if one of your colleagues had continued in this manner how would you have handled it?”

      On a side note, can anyone answer this : If Diane Abbott is paid to appear on a BBC show and is paid as an MP. If she does the show in MP time is she getting paid twice?

      “Cash in the Attic – currently under threat of being axed – once paid Miss Abbott £1,000 for an appearance.”
      – DailyMail – 8 October 2011

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  48. StewGreen says:

    Tommy Robinson has just being on ITV .. Piers Morgan didn’t get the “gotcha” he was looking for .
    Not a great win for Tommy, but he held his own.
    In the last 2 minutes Tommy held up the koran he brought with him and said something like the problem is not the people , it’s this book.
    That was too much for Piers and sidekick Susana Reid.. who moved into defence mode shouting and jabbing fingers.

    The Finsbury Park Mosque guy is scheduled to be on after 8am
    I only saw it by accident when I was trying to get Russia Today
    (Im guessing I was watching a replay of the interview ..was it first at 6:30 or something ?)


    .

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    • EnglandExpects says:

      I don’t think that Morgan came out of this well at all. He just ranted and swamped Robinson with verbiage. Morgan propagates the lie that islamists abuse Islam. They don’t. As Robinson points out it’s all there in the Koran. If you have a sizeable Muslim population then you will always have Muslim terrorists. Period. When that population is growing then the violence grows too. Politicians and Morgan willfully chose not to get it.

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Link to Piers Morgan, preparing the public for Treezer’s stamping on Islamophobia. Good defence from Tommy

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      • ID says:

        It is impossible to fathom why Morgan thinks islam should be placed beyond criticism unless he is a secret and fervent convert himself. Maybe he really believes that the koran records the words of an omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect supernatural entity as revealed to the prophet and that pointing out the unpleasant consequences of acting on these words is sacrilegious – but that qualifies him as a muslim. Like “institutional racism” where you can be racist without knowing it, maybe Morgan is “instituationally muslim”
        The great, the good and the luvvies seem to be under the spell of islam. Is it the promise of sharing in the oil wealth of the Kingdom or simply fear and cowardice?
        The Prince of Wales in a speech in Oxford in 1993 was fulsome in his praise of islam. He set great store by the “spirituality of islam” counteracting the materialism of the west which had lost faith in faith. Suicide bombers who blow themselves, and lots of others, to pieces are certainly antimaterialist in the sense they reject wordly things for paradise. Was this what Charles meant?

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  49. AsISeeIt says:

    Hot hot hot

    BBC Breakfast – in the manner of Sesame Street – the show is brought to you by the word “HOT” this morning – in fact it’s brought to you by a compulsory poll tax. But I digress. Every sofa muppet presenter repeats the word as though the viewer is meant to learn it and remember it long after they have forgotten all the rest of the inconsequential fun and games. And that’s before we get to the actual weather forecast. Can’t help but feel that when we get to December 2017 and the inevitable annoucement that this has been the hottest year on record ever, given that this ground has been laid, the viewer will find the statement more plausible than has been the case in every other previous year in which they heard the annoucement.

    Jolly hockey sticks, everyone!

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