When the polls close at 1opm, the BBC coverage kicks in and I am sure you will want to comment on it here! I predict an emotional breakdown as I don’t believe a word that the ‘Polls’ are suggesting! The floor is yours….
ELECTION NIGHT THREAD…..
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After all these years I’ve found myself without a Party to support.
Seems both here and in America – ideology now matters more than the state of the country.
Hasn’t that been the case for a long time for very many people?
Because of the way the electoral system works it is very difficult for a party such as UKIP to ever gain more than a handful of seats. We only got to have a chance at Brexit because Cameron thought he would lose to Labour as a result of tactical voting. So whichever way we voted we got a pro-EU party.
I have never understood what the Lib-Dems stood for, they are neither liberal or democratic. The so-called Labour party has probably never been a party ‘for the workers’, they were just the useful idiots that were expected to vote for Socialism. Their place has now been taken by immigrants and the sexually confused. Labour doesn’t care about them either.
The Conservatives took their name from the wish to ‘conserve’ the best of the past but they too have bought into the post-modern tosh, selecting Blair Mk. II, Blair Mk. III and Blair Mk. VI as leaders. Leaders? Are there any leaders now in our feminised, child-centred society?
Dr. Jordan Peterson has been getting some exposure here lately. He has got it right, we should be inspiring our youth with taking on responsibilities not demanding their ‘rights’. (There are no such things as ‘rights’, only what others will concede to you. A hungry lion cares nought for your ‘human rights’, the world is tough, live with it or do something about it). For me one of the most depressing things in the last few weeks was seeing that video of ‘nice’ children fighting against the request of the police to leave the park. But they all know their ‘rights’ now!
JimS,
“Are there any leaders now in our feminised, child-centred society?”
May I add -Our feminised, child-centred society which will not protect it’s children from predators.
Why the disaster?
IMHO
Despite Al Beeb’s evident Blatant Bias during the GE the Tory government did nothing about it.
When it had the chance it should have chosen a genuine Brexiteer as a leader. Rees-Mogg would have been a good choice.
Student and young voters fell for the Labour ‘jam tomorrow’ promise.
May should not have gone for a dementia tax.
The nation needs UKIP more than ever if it wants to get out of the ‘jail’.
Did anyone, I mean anyone, ever think May was leadership material?
Yes, Theresa May thought she was for decades, IIRC since childhood. Funny that they share exactly the same name.
May has very cleverly screwed UKIP by calling an unnecessary election and also screwed herself.
UKIP has gone. The two biggest zombie parties seem to have reinvigorated themselves, each increasing their share of the vote.
When Al Beeb did attempt some balance the hoards cried that they were anti-Corbyn. One positive result is that there were more calling for abolition of the license tax.
However, Conservatives had this result coming by not cutting BBC to size when they had the opportunity. Thankfully, more people are getting news from other sources but unfortunately children are indoctrinated in schools and then believe the memes on Facebook. It is time to teach children critical thinking.
Wishy washy May didn’t appear to want a firm strong position for Brexit. It seems to me she isn’t a leader.
Brexit will be even harder now.
Bones the children do need to be taught to understand and take a little more interest in their country. Very bad parenting (and I don’t mean to offend the good parents) but so many haven’t got a clue. From bad role models at home to teachers at school who are not clever or worldly.
I see people with their ear plugs in, playing games or watching video clips, totally tuned out of the world around them and immersed in useless rubbish. They don’t seem to have passions about anything. While it must be daunting for a lot of young people facing such a competitive world with a very limited job market, these same silly fools are happy to vote labour and hold up placards that say Welcome Come on In. If the Tories want to make an impact and begin to engage the younger generation to start analysing things more closely, then destroying the CBB’s ability to manipulate their minds would be an excellent place to start.
When I saw what had happened, my first thought was that May had done it on purpose to ensure we are kept in the EU. And that may well happen now, she had a weak hand to play having given away the advantage to the EU. They must be lapping it up. Wonder how much they will pay our BBC for doing this to us.
Kippering has finished, why did so many vote for Corbyn then ?
John McDonnell, with a straight face, informing Andrew Neil that Labour can – and should – form a minority government. Dear Leader Corbyn, meanwhile, is sounding like a man drunk, or possibly high on something. They think they’ve won this. They actually think they have won this. The cognitive dissonance of the communist left is a wonder to behold.
According to the Hackney Hippo, Liebour won with a 78 seat majority.
Oh goody! Free KFC for everybody …..
Theresa, if she was really determined to sink Brexit should go see the Queen and nominate Corbyn to form the next Government.
Ironically, that might well guarantee the end of the EU. We would go down the tubes as well, but I don’t think the EU could survive a collapse of the UK economy with us inside or outside the EU.
Who wants to start a Ruth Davis for Tory Leader FB page?
Who?
The lady who leads Scottish Conservatives. The lady who overturned the 2015 one seat to 2017 13 seats. Not bad going in two years
I think you’re referring to Ruth Davidson.
Unfortunately she is an ardent and vociferous remainer.
So May is staying, which means that she will appease the remainers. I do hope her Saudi bosses will tell her to quit.
Problem is that people believe that she would deliver Brexit and UKIP died.
Now we have an appeasing PM and a Tory party full of cowards.
One thing ought to be certain, whether or not she resigns now, there is no way she can lead her party in another election
According to the Telegraph, Mrs May is set to make an announcement later today about forming a government with the Ulster unionists. They were in favour of soft Brexit only, due to the land border with the Republic, but to be honest, at this stage ‘owt is better than nowt’ and if it keeps Corbyn from power that’s at least something.
“at this stage ‘owt is better than nowt’ ”
Yes, and nothing is permanent. Changes can be introduced later. The whole basis of the EU is not as strong as it was.
On the up side: Salmond gone, Clegg gone, SNP house leader gone, Krankie slapped.
Any more?
Gaxvil, I believe Mrs Hoey and some other Labour Brexiters have also kept their seats.
Let’s hope things work out with the Ulster Unionists – I believe Enoch Powell joined them eventually so there may still be hope. If the Tories had sailed in with a majority, things might have got too comfortable and complacent – as it is, this could be a wake up call for patriots in the Conservatives and a boost to UKIP. As the old sign says ‘Freedom is in peril’ and that is never more true than now.
Kate kept her seat with an increase of the share of the vote (albeit LibDems increased their vote) http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/constituencies/E14001008
Just a small point, it is the DUP that we are talking about not the UUP. Let’s not upset our soon to be bezzies. (Did I get the yoof lingo correct there? That might be important too!)
Steve Jones, my apologies, Enoch Powell was a member of the Ulster Unionists which is a different party. The DUP seem to be OK other than that they don’t want too many border controls with the Republic, but the press of course are saying this means they don’t want a hard brexit. But a compromise could probably be reached over the land border – it was going to happen anyway.
Laura Kuennsberg has suddenly become very important. She has her name scrolling along the bottom of the News Channel ! ……. Laura Kuennsberg says da de da de da (as if anyone is interested).
As said of James Comey – no one thinks more of Kuennsberg than Kuennsberg.
Strange.
Like many senior Tories, our Laura ‘Part-time’ Kuenssberg was obviously absent during much of the campaign. John Pienaar filled in for her well and gravel-voiced Sarah Smith also did a lot of work north of the border.
My best guess is that Brexit now faces an existential moment – and it may not survive at all. We all know that ever since the UK voted for Brexit, it has been the sole mission of the regressive left to undo that referendum result – by whatever means necessary. I now expect a full-on assault on Brexit from the pro-EU ‘progressive alliance’ of traitors and communists who will stop – quite literally – at nothing to achieve their aim, aided (as always) by their useful friends in the msm (specifically BBC, CH4 and Sky News). By hook or by crook these dissembling Marxists intend to reinstate the UK’s membership of the EU – but first they have to cripple Brexit. Then they’ll implement their long-promised second EU referendum to ‘correct’ the result of the first.
Mark my words. Two years is a long time – but more than enough time for these undemocratic gangsters to get their work done.
Quite right and I am now waiting for the first BBC talking head to trot out the line: ‘What this election result really means is that the British public has changed its mind about Brexit…’
GC, they have been doing rather worringly too much on R4. I had to silence the final extra hour on the TOADY programme.
‘RESIGN’ has so become the watch word of the 21st Century – people are going to start naming their children it.
Or give it a Hashtag!
There is also the Abbottesque notion of clearly winning the election… by having many fewer seats.
But size matters.
Resign!
There is a mad-eyed woman wearing a scarlet jacket on Sky who actually said that Corbyn won the election so he must represent us in the Brexit negotiations. Despite Labour being over 50 seats behind the Conservatives, and even a marxist/fascist alliance between the left-wing parties would still put them just behind the Conservative total. And she meant it….
Demon, don’t you realise that ‘losing’ is a nasty Tory concept, a hangover from the bad old days of competitive games and the 11 Plus? Just because Labour did not ‘win’ as many seats as the Tories does not mean they ‘lost’, it means the system is morally wrong and should be changed, immediately, so that Jeremy can take his rightful place as our leader. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly an evil Tory.
And they are delighted to do the bank transfer for 500,000,000,000,000,000 to Brussels in return for…er, not actually being able to afford the Free Stuff for the students anymore.
Silver linings.
Off to riot now. Or walk the dogs.
One of the two.
Mays position is untenable, and she still is incapable of making the difficult decision.
Several heads need to roll at the Tory party central office including the greed ridden idiots who thought up the dementia tax, and snatching free school dinners off poor kids.
The three wise monkeys who could see hear or speak about the consequences to the economy of socialism.
The idiots who prevented other cabinet ministers from appearing during the election.
And finally, if they don’t appoint a manager for being ‘in touch’ with the people they will fade into obscurity. Try talking to someone in the Tory party and they simply don’t listen. They are doomed to fail if they do not.
“Try talking to someone in the Tory party and they simply don’t listen”
The utter folly of arrogance and privilege, combined with rank incompetence
to fade into obscurity would be a blessing
“Several heads need to roll at the Tory party central office including the greed ridden idiots who thought up the dementia tax, and snatching free school dinners off poor kids.”
Agreed. There were also things such as surveillance and trying to own the internet snuck in at the back of the manifesto. Putting ideas such as fox hunting seemed really designed to bring out the young and greens in mass protests. Whoever said May was trying to loose the election may not be far off. If thet was the case she even failed that.
After, the Cameron farce. The “clown car” of Boris, Weak and Wobbly, and embarrassment Davis in “brexit”
… incompetent and not credible
The best laugh, that’s the best of them.
Oo, it’s the Dan and Dom show…
Where’s Jasmine Lawrence when clearly needed?
Corbyn managed to get a fair percentage of 18-24 years to stop glaring into their smart phones for a few minutes and go and vote.This “young vote” made all the difference ,as it would of in the Brexit Referendum. “Mother Theresa” election campaign was a shambles. We saw in London how demographics has affected voting patterns. Even in as little as 20 years it could be all up for the indigenous population of the UK so far as elections are concerned.
The BBC has seen this coming for a longtime. Don’t be surprised that even before 20 years are up they start their morning
prorammes with the Azan. I cant wait to see Riz Lateef and Assad Ahmeds faces on the Londonistan Programme as they whoop
with joy , over Corbyn’s victory in London. The only comfort for me personally in Barnet is that Theresa Villiers has been re -elected. It could be the last time as even in this rich outer London constituency , demographics is changing dramatically year by year.
“…Corbyn managed to get a fair percentage of 18-24 years to stop glaring into their smart phones for a few minutes and go and vote.”
Corbyn didn’t manage that: it was the tireless work of our Marxist universities who have acted like recruitment centres for Momentum, who have in turn been incessant on social media in spreading their regressive propaganda, with its promises of All The Free Things to young voters (none of it is free, but that’s beside the point – since when did economic reality ever matter to a communist?).
Momentum – the enemy within – are the real victors here. Communists on a mission – and they own social media.
I wonder how many students voted twice?
Labour’s postal votes for all scheme makes it easy to have multiple registrations AND the facility to use them.
I can recall being at Uni during the ’97 election, where students were voting in their digs’ constituency, then jumping on a bus/train to go vote in daddy’s constituency. I doubt it made that much difference though, as naturally their parents all lived in Tory strongholds.
Brexit is dead. It always was the moment we voted for it. So that is that . As they say move on .
Now to serious things. if a Corbyn led government takes over it will be the first time in well over a century that we have a viscerally anti American government in power here. AS the US is now led by President Trump and is turning in on itself anyway I can only speculate as to the future relations.
Those behind Corbyn loathe the US and in every way possible. Then we come to Israel. The same applies in spades with the added spice of a real anti semitic slant ( I know they deny it but really ? So we have a situation here i think.
Then we come to liberty. The extreme left does not do liberty. it is inconvenient. May and her lot are bad enough but the only way Corbyn can govern is by using the state against all opposition. it is in his DNA.
All this took place against a backdrop of an insurrection that is ruthless and will not stop. It is as if it is not happening and this ,I think, is an explanation for the vote. The young in particular cannot face reality and like the citizens of Troy prefer to think the best of everything rather than face it.
These are first thoughts. Nothing is fixed so we can but hope
If Corbyn does form a government it will be the first Fascist government the UK has ever had, allied with the NAZI SNP it doesn’t bear thinking about.
If May screws Brexit, we may have our own Bolshevik government, 100 years after the Russian revolution.
“If Corbyn does form a government it will be the first Fascist government the UK has ever had, allied with the NAZI SNP it doesn’t bear thinking about.”
Exactly
The BBC Radio 4 Today program interviewed a man in Wolverhampton who changed his vote to Labour. HIs reason was May’s total inaction over the terrorist attacks.
At that point she revealed she had nothing to offer but platitudes and you might as well vote for a man who did have something to offer – even if it wasn’t the best option.
I notice people are now calling her Dis-May.
The whole manipulation of this GE, by Liar May callously disregarding dead children, grieving families and the catastrophic Tory security failures, that allowed it to happen
and for what?, the so, so typical Tory self serving was a literally a disgrace.
What a pity it wasn t a full campaign, so they got buried
We ve had to watch a lot of family tears, during this needless Tory set up
… No one will shed any for Theresa May
You have made your position quite clear. I would counsel you against blaming anyone for the terror attacks but the terrorists. Only by facing up to a ruthless and very determind enemy who has always the advantage of surprise can we hope to win .
So you voted Corbyn then ?
In reply to Thoughtful:
Or “Maybe, Maybe Not”. Bit like a mayfly, briefly active then disappears without trace.
Shown everywhere, a photograph with an incorrect caption.
“Corbyn: We are ready to serve this country”
Correction, “We are eager to betray this country, at every opportunity, again.”
On behalf of Corbyn and the Brothers I would like to thank the Comrades at the beebistan whose tireless campaigning for Labour and Brexit gave us today’s stunning result.
All together now:
Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We’ll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.
– The International
And the kids in the playground are chanting ‘Corbyn! Corbyn! Corbyn!’.
Charlie Martell
OK You asked for it Komrad
As an observation, the bbc gave far more exposure to the Greens than UKIP.
Green forums , screech that the BBC is a UKIP station that virtually ignores the Greens .
#disineguous, #DirtyTricks
What does need highlighting is the disaster of DisMay has only been saved from losing the election completely by Ruth Davidson in Scotland who won 12 seats for the Tories, making DisMays failure even worse in the rest of the country. If she had not won these seats from the SNP then we would this morning have been looking at a Labour government.
DisMay needs to resign and take her clueless advisors with her.
Yep – we did our bit here in Scotland…………..if it hadn’t been for the sneering arrogance and instant repugnance of Sturgeon/Salmond/Anus Robertson/Nicolson, we might have been staring at a Labour win.
Here in Angus we have got rid of the SNP Westminster Chief Whip.
SNP -15.7% Con – +16.2%
Needless to say facebook is hilarious with all the ‘traitor’ and ‘tory scum’ posts.
Now Angus has a non-SNP local council and and non-SNP MP for the first time in decades.
Go look at the North East of Scotland electoral map on the devil’s website.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/S14000004
while sacking Hammond, Fallon and Johnson on the way out of the door.
Mind you, two of those would probably seek to replace her.
http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/david-keighley-last-night-bbc-gain/
Last night was a BBC gain
The sense of excitement and joy in the BBC election studio was palpable from the off last night. The nasty party was getting its due desserts and they loved it.
A central question, as this extraordinary result sinks in, is the extent to which the favourable projection of Jeremy Corbyn by the BBC – combined with the constant carping about Brexit – caused it.
The favourable treatment of Corbyn and his financially incontinent Marxist policies was summed up (for example) on the eve of the poll, when BBC Newsnight’s political editor – the former Guardian journalist Nicholas Watt – declared what a wonderful campaign he had fought. Conspicuously absent was any mention of his blatant and deeply-troubling inks with terrorism
As ‘balance’ to this, Newsnight’s editors had commissioned Matthew Parris – possibly the wettest of all Conservative commentators, whose continual bleating against Brexit has exceeded even that of Kenneth Clarke – to cobble together a profile of Theresa May that emphasised all her weaknesses.
If only Ruth Davidson was black she could take over as leader and be BBC proof.
Still digesting this, though it could have been worse; Corbyn could have been our next Prime Minister, sending the country into a downward spiral of chaos, debt, and ruin. Socialist dogma over-rules the good of the country for people like him – its all about the ‘ideals’ – which don’t work by the way, see Venezuela, which he was so enthusiastic about (now removed from his website). What makes me heartbroken is that our young people have been duped by this man, who promised them a sweetie shop of goodies including his ‘free’ tuition fees. If national debt wasn’t a reality, what a lovely thing that would be. BUT THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH, kiddies, in the end, everybody loses out. Who remembers the note left in the drawer after Gordon Brown’s tenure which said something like ‘the money’s all gone’. THAT had something to do with police numbers being cut, but nobody ever mentions that. Mind you, Theresa’s ill thought-out call for an election and the disastrous campaign she ran was truly shite.
As for the attacks in Manchester and London? I wonder which party the terrorists would have wanted in power….and god help us, it almost worked. Am I being cynical in questioning the timing of the attacks? Of course it would go against the incumbent. If Jihadis are capable of murdering people then they are certainly capable of timing their attack to achieve maximum benefit to themselves and their crazy cause. Did anyone see the Telegraph article about the former MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove saying how dangerous Corbyn was and how he would have failed security checks? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/07/jeremy-corbyn-danger-nation-mi6-led-wouldnt-clear-security-vetting/ And he STILL managed to gain so much support. He’s a viper, a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Aided and abetted by the clueless lefty nonces at the BBC. What a f*ck-up. Now we’re between a rock and a hard place. Won’t be listening to news for next few days, feel sick! Oh and by the way the beeb ran a piece about Venezuela yesterday…the only day when they couldn’t ACTUALLY mention Corbyn because it was election day. BARF!
If you offer someone a choice of a University education debt free or a university education with a £30K debt which way would you expect them to vote?
As for terror, the Jihadis much prefer do nothing business as usual no border controls DisMay over Corbyn.
As you aware that just yesterday a Judge criticised the UK government after one wealthy Pakistani was able to return there despite having his passport removed, wearing an electronic tag, and wanted by the Police !
DisMay cut back too far on things which should never have been cut all the while giving away far too much on foreign aid which doesn’t work, and funding violent far left groups.
I don’t really see a great deal of difference between the two.
Rubbish.Corbyn has made respectable anti semitism and his existence permits the BDS movement to gain traction and help deligitimise the state of Israel.
Corbyn’s whole career is a monument to that O so nice English middle class way of sneering at a Jew.
“Corbyn’s whole career is a monument to that O so nice English middle class way of sneering at a Jew.”
Rubbish, he hates the English middle classes just as much as he hates Jews.
Is not Corbyn the epitome of an English middle class boy along with the other one ?. That he hates his own class is obvious but they all do when the virus of leftism gets to them.
However anti semitism is quite a different virus and Corbyn has unleashed it again by his very equivocating position on Israel and Hamas etc. He has made it respectable and you have only to look at the universities to see just how bad it is. So don’t use ‘rubbish’ without reading what I wrote carefully.
Because anti semitism is different . it is the oldest hatred and the least justifiable.
The Left has always been anti-Semitic. This is the case even though many on the Left are Jewish. It is a variety of Jewish self-hatred. There is nothing new about that, just read that great hater Marx. You are the one who brought in the English middle classes. I recall that Maggie Thatcher’s parents gave shelter to a Jewish refuge. Many Jewish refugees settled here. Of course anti-semitism is not limited to the Left, but it is his political beliefs which are the source of his anti-semitism not the fact that he is English and middle class.
Wild – I would explain what you’ve written as follows:
The left are anti-Semitic because they will always adopt views whereby they feel the most safe. Hence why we have to integrate with Muslims regardless whether Muslims want really to integrate with us.
Jews being a tiny minority are easy and safe targets because the left fear no repercussions to themselves by vilifying them whenever the need arises, especially to appease Muslims.
Jews themselves are always in a Catch 22 situation. Because they know they are a vulnerable minority there are those who do their best to succeed in the hope that the society they live in will value them and protect them. Because their successes are well above average they create resentment from the lesser intellects within our society who for that reason want to attack them.
Some other Jews want to fit in by joining the mindset that they most fear – the left, in the hope that this will enable them to be accepted and ‘pardoned’ from future attack.
The gains among the young are very simple to understand. They voted for Free Stuff. No tuition fees. Free flights to Europe (or free movement of people, as most of us understood it).
The Lib Dems played that card in 2010 – and won 57 seats. The Lib Dem vote collapsed when it became clear that the great giveaway was economically impossible.
So simple – but why did May and her useless advisors not see it coming? The irony is that most older Conservatives would love to see an end to student debt and no tuition fees, too – we all want the same outcome – but we are older and wiser enough to understand that it’s just not viable as things stand.
Mel Phillips : Your kids followed Corbyn the “Fee Money” Pied Piper.
Tories 43%.
Highest % for 30+ years.
60 seats ahead of Labour.
In any other context this would be rated a good result.
Of course in bBBC land this is a disaster.
But I didn’t realise that 40% of the population are in favour of hardline marxist economics and pacifism.
This is real news.
And I must mention an interview with a Wolverhampton voter.
He was thinking of voting Tory but was put off because of the lacklustre approach to the terrorist attacks. He wanted a stronger approach to the terrorists. So…….He was going to vote Labour !!!!!! FFS.
Too right Sluff.
Sadly in London; the student bed wetters who have been re-educated by Maoists teachers, have been Facebooked into voting.
The ‘Monocultures’ have also voted in strength, hoping the Liebour party would protect them from the ‘huge backlash’ they are experiencing because of their recent peaceful religious atrocities.
They would vote for a goat if it had a Labour sign round it’s neck, probably doing unmanageable things to it first before devouring the poor creature!
It makes we want to crawl into a safe space so I can avoid looking into chasm of chaos Treezer has just created.
To be fair, Treezer has had a lot of help. It started with Bliar then carried on under McDoom and Cameron. This has been a goods train not an express.
“They would vote for a goat if it had a Labour sign round it’s neck, probably doing unmanageable things to it first before devouring the poor creature!”
They have thought of that. It is halal to have sex with a goat, but haram to kill it and eat if afterwards. The Ayatollah Khomenei ruled on this. He didn’t say if you are meant to take the goat out to a movie and dinner first.
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put off because of the lacklustre approach to the terrorist attacks. He wanted a stronger approach to the terrorists. So…….He was going to vote Labour !!!!!! FFS…..
This appears to be the general intelligence of the current crop of Labour voters.
But despite living in hope, I’m still baffled by those who voted Labour that they surely didn’t believe for one second that had Labour got in, they would put 10,000 more police on the streets, more doctors for the NHS, free school meals, and the abolition of tuition fees. Where the hell do they think the money is coming from ? If all that were possible then the Tories would have done it ! The water in those swing areas must have been doped, because who in their right mind would want to see Emily Thornbury, Dianne Abbot, Corbyn, and McDonell ruling this country ?
The Left’s domination of education since the 1960s has just borne fruit.
Stella2, add “and the BBC” after the word “education” and you have summed up virtually the entire situation.
put off because of the lacklustre approach to the terrorist attacks. He wanted a stronger approach to the terrorists. So…….He was going to vote Labour !!!!!! FFS…..
Alas he is right.
DisMay is like so many other Tories, interested in only one thing – money. She abandoned all the Tory principles in pursuit of wealth and cut security and border control to the bone. Airport security is now so lax a wanted mam with no passport wearing an electronic tag was able to get through it !
If Corbyn gets in it is likely he will at least fund these services unlike DisMay whose only solution has been a soundbite.
Are you serious? Corbyn is a man who has never found a terrorist he did not make excuses for. Look at the company he has kept over the years.
DaveS
Agreed. Corbyn is evil. His mind is twisted . He comes from a wealthy family, but I do not want to analyse that. He is of low intelligence and probably aware of that. I think he should get a job emptying dustbins. I bet he has never done a manual working job in his life. I short he is a cnut.
“Corbyn is evil. His mind is twisted .”
Yes, he’s a certain type of unscrupulous socialist that’s been around for as long as I can remember.
He’s motivated entirely by the people and the institutions he hates but, unfortunately, he has a calm, superficially reasonable plausibility that serves him well. If the Conservatives have any sense (I know), they’ll find ways of setting traps to expose it. Latent antisemitism might be a weakness. Livingstone couldn’t keep it hidden but he’s less tactful than Corbyn, I think.
Can’t be too gracious when dealing with someone like Corbyn.
Jo,
Spot on . But the Tories are such goddam pussycats they do not do the job . They should be like attack dogs. I think some of their weakness came from that moron Treezer and her ” Nasty Party ” jibe against her own party. That has to be the most stupid comment in British political history.
“They should be like attack dogs.”
Agree. If they aren’t passionate about winning, how can they expect the public to be passionate about voting for them?
Maggie had the killer instinct, as did Tebbit when he was in the HoC. Of the recent lot, I think Jacob Rees-Mogg has a talent for weaponising a sentence in a way which must rile Labour very effectively, but that’s about it.
(My last sentence “Can’t be too gracious ……” didn’t make sense.)
“because who in their right mind would want to see Emily Thornbury, Dianne Abbot, Corbyn, and McDonell ruling this country ?”
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Jean-Claude Juncker.
Me!
I would!
The youth of today cannot remember the disaster the last Socialist government ofWilson – Callaghan (Crisis what Crisis, pound in your pocket, winter of discontent, bankruptcy and the IMF).
They need teaching a hard sharp lesson, and if that means them wrecking their futures in order to do it then it’s probably a good thing.
Against my better judgement I could almost agree. The current generation needs a lesson in reality. Their over indulgent parents, Marxist teachers and the almost complete lack of hardship in their lives have produced a dangerously naive generation, ripe for exploitation by a totalitarian movement.
GC
So true. But it is all too late . Many years ago I drank a wonderful RSA red wine “Alles Verloren ” which, in Africaans apparently means ” All is lost “. Funny that 20 years later I am suddenly thinking of that wine.
Indeed and isn’t South Africa a lesson for us all?
GC,
Wise words. On the other hand , I hope the New Gambia will be a lesson, but too early to tell. President Barrow is certainly outwitting the forces against him and not being deflected yet.
I’d rather they didn’t wreck my present while they’re at it.
That is true, you’d probably have to be 40’ish to remember the disasters of those years. To which Corbyn and Co. would happily return us.
Meanwhile the BBC has been at the forefront of demonizing “Fatcher” and putting a rose tinted hue on the union bullies.
Yes Thoughtful, I grudgingly have to agree. I suppose having Labour in power will show this yoof generation what ‘winters of discontent’ actually means. The students have turned out in force, to support a communist . Glad I’m coming to the tail end of my life
Treezer, the masses are revolting today
Suspect a few Tories might join them too, including some cabinet ministers.
[All of a tiz waz today (and no, that’s not Arabic for chopping someone’s head off!) – can’t seem to get the correct blog. Must be the events of the last 24 hours influencing the last of my grey cells]
Oh dear! Oh dear! what a shambles. This is where consistently bad Governmental management shows up in a critical unconcealed way. No hiding it now.
My verdict? Five short points (for what they’re worth):
1. More than 622,000 names added to the Electoral Roll in the last 24 hours. 3 million names registered since the election was called – 2.5 million definite Labour Party members, probably more voting Labour – http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-uk-turnout-voters-registration-labour-tories-record-numbers-a7777931.html
Is this the Bliar legacy taking hold? It will be remembered that Bliar opened up the gates to the UK for anybody and everybody to take up residence on the belief that they would all vote Labour. Has that ‘loading the scales’ policy finally come to fruition?
2. Almost certainly most of those registering will be of foreign extract. Mozzies would particularly welcome a Labour control or heavy influence so their own long term plan for domination would remain unimpeded.
3. If the recent terrorism had any effect on the election results, it favoured Corbyn. I imagine that his supporters see Corbyn as being possible to obtain an amnesty from terrorist groups in view of this close and supportive connections with them.
4. If foregoing assumptions are correct, we can entirely forget the Brexit we want and kiss goodbye to any hope of controlling immigration.
5. The average UK dolt is far more obtuse than I discredit them for being.
Excellent points G. This leads to many others.
6. Whose idea was it to call an election. I don’t believe it was May. And have they resigned yet?
7. How long can May stumble on as leader/PM? And who the hell is there to replace her? Boris?
8. Will an alliance with the DUP weaken her Brexit stance, so that Brexit no longer means Brexit but Bremain, without the pretend power of useless MEPs posturing for no purpose and no involvement in the Council of Ministers etc.? Basically still pay the £360 billion per week but have no fake power.
Don’t forget the BBC G, they played their part well, they were really pushing voter registration on their news site. Be interesting to learn more about that increase in numbers and the role of the BBC and social media behind it, still, it was all there for any party to use to its own advantage, as were the votes of the obtuse dolts. The Tories failed to see that opportunity or threat and address it.
Mr G, your point #1 is food for thought indeed!
If that 622,000 figure is true, then it represents an average of 432 people signing up every minute of that last day, based on [622,000 / 24 x 60] = roughly 432. And as for 3 million being registered since the Election was called, there are somewhere over 40 million voters, so we are supposed to believe that 7% of these weren’t on the books after the 2015 Election and others since then. Would people really leave it so late to sign up?
I am now expecting the Unions, with Labour support, to take advantage of this result.
I am expecting a large number strikes from the public services. Len McCluskey will be rubbing his hands in delight.
The appalling sight of so called Conservative like Soubry,Perry and worst of all Nicky Morgan gleefully disrupting their own party’s Brexit case is and always has been distasteful to watch.
May brought this on herself, there was a lack of emphasis on Brexit and what would happen to Brexit should this result occur. She wouldn’t budge on the Nurses pay, grammar schools is seen as divisive, 20,00 police cuts, tuition fees of 11 billion costed by Labour-supposedly. No help for students. Welfare cuts, social care changes made without proper scrutiny and no triple lock on pensions.
Just what did she expect?
Just what part of the community is she trying to help. Certainly not the old, or the young. The Police and Nurses. The welfare dependents.
Her advisers (SPADS) must go immediately. She has been naiive beyond all comprehension.
The Conservatives manifesto was disgracefully uncosted, it even promoted fox hunting for goodness sake.
As a Kipper I had no representative in my constituency, so I voted Tory but I despair at our political masters/mistresses.
Wronged.
It could also be the case that she wanted a result like this, after all, she’s a remainer and gave the top jobs to remainers and held out until the very last moment before putting in article 50.
If harming Brexit is what she wanted then the way to do it was exactly how they went about it.
Was it done on purpose or were they so utterly stupid…..that manifesto for example.
Emamanuel G
High risk to intentionally underperform, no I think this was sheer complacency and incompetence.
DUP want an open border soft Brexit. Brexit is dead already.
There has to be another election. I hope pro Brexit David Davis takes over the leadership.
In 350 days since the referendum, the UK has turned itself into a laughing stock.
Multiple attempts to deride, water down and even reverse a referendum; the government mandated to Leave being bossed by a Remainer; endless discussions about what Brexit ‘means’; a panicky call to hold a snap election ruined by the worst campaign in history; a Labour leader who lost, but claims he won; an incumbent government beholden to Ulster for a majority.
Nobody in Brussels can take the UK seriously any longer — the sarcastic comments have started already. This is going to end badly.
Rick,
You are so right. It is a total effing farce. British politicians, including Treezer, do not even know how to clean a toilet. They are complete crap.
I wouldn’t have said that a study of the political situation in most EU countries gives them any cause for crowing. Italy? Greece? Ireland? France? Austria? Belgium? One could go on…. and on…
GC,
Ditto……………….
“Nobody in Brussels can take the UK seriously any longer”
In that case they should look in a mirror. The whole nauseating edifice is falling apart.
While I have been out today people are openly talking that this was a ruse to prevent Brexit.
It has been known for some time that pensioners carry a lot of votes so why on earth would any one trying to win an election attack them?
No guarantee of the pensions triple lock
Removal of the winter fuel allowance
Dementia tax
And for what? Just so the greed ridden fools could cut taxes for the already rich. Why even put this into a manifesto and why produce one so long and loaded with guff?
Could it have been all deliberate to lose?
Charles Moore, former editor of the Telegraph, Margaret Thatcher’s official biographer and one of the smarter minds in Conservative ranks, wrote an article suggesting that a narrow majority for Treezer might be the best thing for those of us wanting Brexit.
With a large majority, May, who is an authoritarian by nature it appears, would have been able to push through a very weak Brexit, if a Brexit at all. Now she desperately needs the support of her MPs, many of whom are far from awful Clarke/Rudd/Hammond persuasion, to stay in power.
I sincerely hope Moore is right, for all our sakes!
I can’t see that being true Mr Cooper, given the likes of Sourby now have the whip hand. Pockets of Tory Anti-British remainers now have the power to demand more concessions such as staying in the single market. The DUP surely want that too as an example. In order to maintain their open border with the south.
Well, Moore has a better grasp of the make-up of the current crop of Tory MPs than I have, so I can only hope he is right. I’m not sure that Soubry is representative of anything much.
She is when you haven’t got a majority.
The likes of that old bag sourbry can be cancelled out by sensible labour MPs like Kate Hoey.
good point.
GC: “I sincerely hope Moore is right, for all our sakes!”
Me, too. There are two vague comforts; the DUP are pro-Brexit and the SNP are now hobbled. Then, in addition, two very faint glimmers of hope; the anti-Brexit LibDem revival did not happen and key Labour Brexiteers kept their seats.
No-one really knows for sure what a Corbyn-led Government would deliver by way of Brexit. Would he allow himself to be driven to a very half-hearted Brexit, a Brexin or even staying in the EU by the very people in his Party that are opposed to his leadership?
It’s an interesting situation, isn’t it? Among his many supposed conversions, Corbyn’s espousal of the remainiac cause is completely at odds with his past position. Who knows what he really believes?
Mr Kaseem writes something similar over at Breitbart News. The DUP are in many ways more Tory than the Tories and seem to be in favour of hard Brexit albeit with some sort of concession to the Irish land border, which is understandable, and which should not be difficult to arrange if any government with half a brain is in power (I’m not holding my breath…)
Thoughtful,
“It has been known for some time that pensioners carry a lot of votes so why on earth would any one trying to win an election attack them?” – While, Corbyn & Co. have been cultivating the children to counter the OAP numbers problem.
Thoughtful & G, strategy and technically it was a bizarre and completely incompetent thing to do. The Tories’ Manifesto Team, most of all, should know that many wealthy and high income OAPs have to complete tax returns each year. Ken Clarke would tell them that.
On the Tax Return there are boxes where you claim certain reliefs or Benefits, both age and also health related. It would be very, very simple and easy to claw back the value of Bus Passes, Winter Fuel Payments, free TV Licences, etc, via the Annual Tax Return from highly pensioned and wealthy OAPs. It is all automated.
Theresa May should have known this in her role as PM. Her advisers and Phil Hammond should have known that. IF Ben Gummer WAS responsible for the manifesto, his father would have told him that as an OAP, assuming he is on speaking terms with his Dad. (He may not be now, after last night and if responsibility for the manifesto really does lie at his door.)
Then there was the care contribution thing where the PM and her team seem to be oblivious to the fact of property price variations across the country and the existence of Inheritance Tax despite Cameron and Osborne having talked widely about abolishing the latter in 2014/15.
It wasn’t going to be the wealthy pensioners who lost the Winter fuel allowance though, they intended to take it from 80% of them!
Think that might have been McDonnell’s interpretation.
The Tory manifesto argument was that means testing those Benefits for the wealthy and pensioners with sufficient taxable income was too complicated and too time consuming and too expensive.
It’s nothing of the sort.
They advance the same argument for not having smoother graduations in the Income Tax bands and for doing away with Inheritance Tax. The Tories really have got wake up to the age of the computer.
Interestingly, we actually had (good) news during the election campaign that HMRC had won a case against a group of heavy duty Income Tax avoiders. No one made any mention of that despite it hitting the front pages. Probably down to the sad distractions in Manchester and London.
Kuensblurb looks angered
It’s time for Sir Nigel.
This is your moment.
Been thinking….if every Tory voter refused to pay their TV Licence fee, that would get their attention, wouldn’t it? A sort of ‘civilised’ protest that would actually make a difference. Not suggesting anyone actually does that of course, just saying…!
If you stop watching TV and do not use BBC catch-up TV, it is a totally legal thing to do.
In summer, why stick inside watching a box.
Oh!
Er, time for me to sign off here then.
‘Bye!
Fubard, many of us have quietly given up our televisions and are no longer funding the BBC. The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
Up2snuff, Cranmer, you make very good points!
If the last 48 hours are anything to go by I seem to break out in a rash whenever I consider turning the beeb on. But wouldn’t it be interesting to refuse to pay on the grounds that you don’t wish to fund their political agenda!
Meant to add something and deleted last paragraph by mistake. Sorry! Anyway, its all very depressing. Is Comrade Corbyn and his loony band still going on about forming a Government?
Yes and now Tommy Shepherd of the SNP is joining in: “Nicola won this election.”
Losing two-fifths (ie. not far off half) your seats is a very Diane Abbott way of winning an election. That way of counting means that Nick Clegg & the LibDems really did win in 2015.
Up2,
Having spent most of my life with the SNP racist crap, I can confirm that they are delusional beyond belief. I am delighted that many of my fellow Scots gave them a ” flea in their lug “. Now , wee Nicky , when are you going to resign ?
Grant, sure – seems delusional is a Lefty characteristic but only a year ago Shepherd was hinting at doing away with wee Nicola Krankie at the first sign of failure. No, not that way but in the leadership sense. Now he’s claiming she won!
90% of BBC/MSM election stuff is silly soap opera fantasy universe.
Like pretending your vote matters
No with FPTP system 500+ of 600 seats have already been decided before the election
Urban seats are Red and Countryside is Blue
90% of voters vote doesn’t count
It’s the 5% of voters who live in swing constituencies who can make a difference.
But even then most of them don’t vote.
In fact most of them always stick with one party so it’s 1% who are SUPER VOTERS
ie the people who live in a Swing seat and are swing voters ..the other 99% don’t matter much.
But that is not what media tells us.
Stew, think you may have missed some of the results in the last two General Elections and By-Elections. Safe seats do change hands. Happened last night.
Stew, did you hear WatO and the GE stats? If we had Proportional Representation in the UK, Corbyn would be on the ‘phone, booking the furniture van to be in No.10 by the weekend.
FPTP has its upsides. 😉
You can’t extrapolate from a FPTP result to what might have been under PR. For a start, Ukip would have had a lot of MPs if we had PR and people knew their vote counted.
Typo in my post
Only swing seats matter
But even then most of voters don’t change their vote
In fact most of them always stick with one party so it’s 1% who are SUPER VOTERS
Those swathes of young voters only mattered then
Rejoice: Gone is Alex Salmond; Gone is the SNP’s deputy Leader, Angus Roberertson; Gone is Nick Clegg.
I would expect Clegg to pop up somewhere in the BBC in due course, in some sort of journalistic role. Bit like our ex-Chancellor.
G,
Maybe Clegg will be the next Diane ? I can’t wait !
Just stop and think for a bit. If Mrs May is going to depend on the DUP (and the DUP agree of course) to continue her administration, genuine Brexit is still on or in no worse a position than it was on Wednesday night. Why? Because the DUP are – to coin a phrase – hard-line Brexiteers. The DUP does not want any special deals which would have the effect of splitting NI away from the rest of the UK and, worse, bring NI nearer to the Republic. In fact depending on the DUP might force Mrs May to secure a harder Brexit than if she had been able to soldier on alone. Moreover the DUP will never work with Corbyn who the DUP, quite correctly, sees as a supporter of (or, at least an apologist for) any anti-British terrorism – particularly IRA terrorism – in the UK (or against Jews anywhere, of course).
Coming to the BBC, I turned on my radio at 7:30 this morning to listen to Today (a rare occurrence for me these days) and for the first morning after an election since 2005(?) the tone of the news and comment didn’t fool me into thinking the Queen had died. On the contrary, it sounded as if “we” had won a great victory. The only fly in the ointment was the stubborn fact that “we” hadn’t managed to win enought seats to form a government. So, for the time being, the champagne remained on ice and on came Laura Kuennsberg to
mourn this near missexplain why.The DUP are also old style Conservatives and it is to be hoped that they will force red DisMay back onto the Tory path and away from Socialism.
How did the opinion polls perform ? Why should anyone waste money on these losers ?
Despite all the name calling against yougov on here, they called it right. Just a shame that calling it right resulted in such name calling by those who couldn’t accept the possibility.
Why has Treezer not resigned yet. She was always a busted flush , now more so. We all know that she is thick as … But is she really that thick ????
The Tories need to grow some balls and ditch the bitch and ditch her now .
But the next leader MUST be a leaver.
No Ruth Davidson, Rudd, Hammond or the likes of that shower.
Leaver’s, JRM or John Redwood should be the leader but they are Conservatives so I don’t know if they would fit in.
It would appear that the electorate don’t believe any Tory good policies will be enacted , but will beleive any bad policies will .
So they don’t believe disMay will keep immigration down but will believe they will increase taxes , and take benefits from the old .
Serves them right .
Nibor.
Well, that’s what the media tells us as well as labours free everything for everybody ‘promises’
Is Trump’s visit still on?
Or will Corbyn’s army of yang people force Treezer to appease them and cancel?
Looking for detail on Corbyn (seem to be on a bit of a mission) ‘know your enemy’ etc. Found this site:
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2016/05/25/the-corbynite-take-on-venezuela-tells-you-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-leaderships-judgement/comment-page-1/
A really damning indictment by Rob Marchant, Labour activist. Its chilling to think how close we came to annihilation.
Fubard.
Unfortunately 40% of the voters think this is all fine and dandy.
Guido has pointed out that the DUP are wanting “To freeze then cut or abolish the TV licence and reform the BBC”; perhaps they can use that as their main bartering tool when dealing with Theresa.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/09/__trashed-14/
Brilliant. I like some of their other policies as well. Perhaps they could stand in English constituencies in the future!
Andrew Hunter was the DUP MP for Basingstoke between 2004-2005.
An odd story, but informative.
Paul Nuttall has just resigned. I’m sorry it came to that as I think he had quite a bit of potential. But it’s been one awful trip for him and I wish him well. Ukip present predicament is not good but as I have said before the political tides and currents are prone to sudden changes so lets hope a new leader is in place soon at the ready.
Mrs May should be the one who resigns. Who could have any confidence in her now?
Meanwhile Labour are celebrating a victory in which they got 50 seats less than the tories.
The Green Party had a dismal day outside of Brighton though no media will cover this and Lucas will be a frequent guest in the halls of the BBC.
And the big question is will Nicola Sturgeon offer her resignation.?
The tide has gone out,
But it will be back again for UKIP, as long as they learn big lessons.
1. Cameron only won in 2015 because you forced him to give the British people a referendum.
2, Before then, since 2005-he was worse than May-Howards Bell End, hug-a -hoodie, Big Society crap. May is FAR better, even now as damaged goods. Cameron couldn`t even squash the appallingly inept(but BBC sticky backed )Mc DoomBroon.
3. And Corbyn is FAR worse than even Brown-he`s nailed to the wind turbine now for a Parliament, and they`re there to be screwed endlessly.
4. The SNP are split in two…and May owes the Tories big up there. 40% rubbed out. UKIP ought to ride in now and threaten the Tories for being Remainiacs.
5. If you can`t tip out Farron, then UKIP aren`t the force that they should be, Pitch Cable against Farron and enjoy the fun UKIP.
6. A joy to read the Times trashing May, only two weeks ago the same opinion editorial was lavishing praise on this surefire winner. Remember this is instant bollocks from the BBC etc…hardly any of it lasts a few days these days.
7. All May did wrong is what the whole elite do wrong-take us for granted, triangulate, confuse personal with political, tactics with strategy-and trot out clishes and snuff out dissent. Ukip have yet to take the British for fools, unlike the elite-and May ought to have known better, even for a hideaway nomark.
8. If she learns, gives us the hardest Brexit to shaft her biggest critics-she`ll go down in history, If Soubry is still a Tory next week, if Clarke is still spouting off-well , UKIP will resurge withing this parliament.
Yes Corbyn/Labour did very well but he/it didn’t win the election. Of course, his claim – quoted at every opportunity by the BBC – has gone effectively unchallenged by Laura et al: no-one has told him that he/Labour won neither a majority of seats (which in the UK is what is meant by “winning the general election”) nor a majority of the popular vote (which is interesting statistically but, referendums aside, has no legal/political standing in the UK).
Now Mrs May also did not win a majority of seats but she – with the DUP – can command a majority of seats in the newly elected Commons. In other words, she’s won and no amount of the continued bleating by Laura and friends about “hung parliaments” can alter that. Set aside the facts that May is useless in at least 3 roles (Home Secretary, PM and Party Leader) and was, to say the least, unwise to call an unnecessary election and then kick her own actual and potential supporters repeatedly with quasi-socialist policies, she has ended up with Commons majority support and the Conservatives garnering more votes than Labour (13.7 million versus 12.9 million). I know that Jeremy as PM is still the wet dream at the BBC (and at its print edition) but it would be nice to get a bit of reality into the extended “didn’t he do well!!” commentary and “it’s not fair!!” vox poppery.
Umbongo, I suspect a lot of the continued Jezza-worship may be due to his supporters not quite understanding what is going on (I’m a middle aged fellow with a fair bit of constitutional knowledge and I had to look a few things up about how hung Parliaments get resolved, so imagine how a 22 year old BBC intern is feeling.)
Isn’t this kind of thing children up to 18 are supposed to be taught at school ie how the British constitution works, how the courts function, the relationship between the Houses of Parliament etc etc. Rhetorical question of course. Our children know more about transgender discrimination and climate change armageddon than they do about the 5 times table, let alone how general elections etc function. Such constitutional understanding plays a very minor role in the fatuous British citizenship test. Mind you, I can see why a poorly educated ignoramus from the Karl Marx Memorial Academy, Birmingham would vote for any shyster offering a 3 year holiday at the University of Chav courtesy of the taxpayer.
So 1999 Umbongo!
New Century-new rules.
Many think that Chelsea won the League.
But Tottenham did, given their % increase in points from the Martin Jol dog days of uselessness.
Chelsea also won a few times in recent seasons, but Tottenham have confounded expectations. So Spurs are the new League Champions.
Oh wait-Jewish aren`t they?
Ah well, Celtic it is then….
cH,
LOL !
Kuenssberg tweets at 3.53pm: “Sinn Fein about to hold a press conference, just imagine if they suddenly said they were to take their seats…..”.
Gerry Adams said in the early hours of this morning that there was no question of this happening, whatever the final election result. (Press conference turned out to be nothing very much at all.)
BBC = Narrative OVER Truth
Stew,
And Laura wetting her knickers at the prospect. Pass the sick bag . For BBC cnuts like her it is just a game.
On ‘PM’ on Radio 4, Eddie Mair went over to Dimbleby Minor to do the usual trail for the “Any Questions?” pseudo-democratic vox pop yawn-fest. Dimbleby referred to Labour’s triumph, which is putting it a bit strongly but fits the narrative.
Maybe only as Corbyns Praetorian Guard, Heisenberg?
Wonder if they`d have a face-off with Hamas for a Corbyn Charity? Reckon Hamas would walk it these days, but both seem to like small boys. So what about Krankie as the trophy for the winner?
Yvette Cooper for the loser-plenty newly shaved “boys” under Balls piano I`m sure.
May and the Tories had no democratic mandate for brexit prior to the election.
They do now.
So the Soubrys and Morgans stood on a brexit mandate and won.
They cannot with any conscience therefore oppose the brexit negotiations.
So although May has lost seats she with the DUP is arguably a little bit stronger for Brexit.
That said, it could and should of course have been much different.
And important to note that Labour’s official position on Brexit was essentially the same as the Tories – leave the single market but negotiate access to it. Never mind that Labour remainers don’t agree with that. They stood on that ticket. So 82% of the electorate voted for full Brexit. We’re up from 52% to 82%!
Reading up on the DUP, Seems to me they are a scottish UKIP, worked out well with such a strong Brexit party holding the balance of power.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/56F5/production/_96416222_fosterdodds_getty.jpg
Never heard of her until an hour ago, and i meant Ireland, not that it matters. just aslong as she holds Mays feet to the fire.