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why does Sky try to outdo the BBC/Guardian?
Two stories on Brexit both unremittingly negative to the leave campaign. This has been the way since the campaign began.
PM Attacks Party Rivals Over Brexit ‘Con-Trick’
Brexit Would Bring ‘Economic Shock’ To N Ireland
https://logicrevelation.wordpress.com/2016/06/06/heres-what-the-bbc-is-doing-to-support-gender-wage-discrimination/ BBC is disgusting
I am amazed that with the value of sterling widly fluctuating you dont think theres going to be a massive economic cost to leaving.
I don’t recall seeing any reports of this latest “enrichment” on the BBC news for the West Midlands.
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2016/06/06/jailed-teen-who-left-pensioner-for-dead-after-stamping-on-his-head-gets-14-years/
Unless I blinked and missed it, in which case I apologise unreservedly ……
WATCH: BBC Presenter Signs Off ‘Inshallah’ On Flagship Debate Programme
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/05/watch-bbc-presenter-signs-off-inshallah-flagship-debate-programme/
And this
Two Americans Turn Table On Agenda Driven Univision Journalist…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/05/two-americans-turn-table-on-agenda-driven-univision-journalist/
THE REFERENDUM.
It’s the economy stupid!
And the economy is business.
Mainly big business.
The conglomerates.
The ones who pay lots of lovely lucre to consultants after they stop being public servants and politicians. Not for what they can do for the business – but for what they did whilst they were still a public servant.
The economy is of course helped by the importation of lots of lovely low paid immigrants. Millions and millions of them and who cares where they come from or what they do to thousands of our children in dozens of towns across the country. The economy is king and overrides the needs of the people. The cannon fodder of the economy is the people and the economy must come first.
Business doesn’t care how many £billions we the people pay the Eurocrats in Brussels; the five presidents; the thousands of hangers on, all on unaccountable expense accounts. The business bosses are safe with their salaries & bonuses paid into tax havens and the businesses won’t miss it. The fact that the taxes could pay for better health care and schools, or that the huge consultant’s fees are lowering wages to other employees just does not register on their economic charts. The economy must come first.
Will there be an economic impact if we leave? Of course there will and the business bosses will make sure of it, as they scramble to put their cash and business somewhere else, because the bribes are better elsewhere.
Will we be better off eventually? Yes but Brexit must also mean getting rid of the corrupt lot in government now or it will fail.
The future for the people that work hard to make the cash to pay the taxes is not with the corrupt economic monster that is the European Union. The future is not with the elite unelected men in shiny suits that want to be the dictators of all we do and think. The future for me and my country is freedom, even if there is an economic cost.
What about our culture, our way of life? Vote to stay and what little is left is gone. For ever.
Business want in. The people should therefore want out.
Recall too that in the Swiss referendum on joining EU, all the MSM, the banks, governments , EU leaders, World Bank and IMF leaders, the heads of multinationals, were telling the Swiss, that to vote “NO” to the EU would lead to a plague of frogs. Switzerland would perish under EU penalties.
Well the humble peasant Swiss did vote “NO”. The frogs failed to materialize. And when the Euro went into a tailspin, all the leaders, specially the banks and multinationals were so glad that their investments, savings etc were nice and safe in Switzerland.
The people were right. And if they weren’t., they would deserve what they voted for. Unlike the multinationals, politicians – parasites all, who have made themselves safe come what may.
If we vote stay in the EU, all national elections every four years, for the foreseeable future, have no meaning. They are useless to beguile the population, as the EU will rule. Period.
NCBBC
“If we vote stay in the EU, all national elections every four years, for the foreseeable future, have no meaning. They are useless to beguile the population, as the EU will rule. Period.
Now that is a recipe for disaster “. – Civil Unrest.
The British don’t usually do civil unrest, but when the do – look out .
Perhaps that’s what the New Model EU army will be for ? To put us down .
“If we vote stay in the EU, all national elections every four years, for the foreseeable future, have no meaning.”
True – unless we voted UKIP in, on a mandate to leave the EU.
Mike Hunt
Vote UKIP
Spot on Old Timer – my sentiments completely.
We, already the world’s leading multi-cultural example of a Nation, are mostly charitable, generous, tolerant, kind, responsible, well down the bottom of world corruption league, respectable of others and are coming round to the conclusion, (as the polls are now starting to indicate), that even if there is possibly a short term ‘business’ penalty to pay for our freedom, it is going to be worth it for the quality of our life in the end.
Obviously there will be a GDP penalty. An unlimited supply of cheap labour does that to the total economic bulking up. But the down-side is not suffered by business. It is felt by those booking GP appointments, trying to get their kids in school, massive housing shortage, A&E overwhelmed, our kids futures being penalised to getting on the housing ladder.
BREXIT for me.
Top forecaster for the City of London says Brexit would be good for the economy.
A British exit from the European Union would be good for the economy, according to one of the City of London’s top forecasters.
Extreme claims from political groups arguing that Brexit would be a disaster were “wide of the mark”, Capital Economics concludes in a detailed report.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/economics/article4692947.ece
And not on the BBC, I hasten to add! Good work lads, good work.
I have to say that I would agree with OldTimer, NCBBC and Charlatans: even if there were a short-term economic downside to Brexit, I would still vote Leave, no question.
But according to this respected independent think-tank, not only is there no real economic risk of Brexit, there is in fact an economic upside to Brexit!
Just goes to show how well project fear is working that we might start to take it as a given that Brexit means an economic downturn.
Yet where are the economic studies showing a downturn after Brexit? The Treasury ones were all forecasts based on an assumed drop in GDP, but who asked them to make that assumption? And it was just an assumption, not the conclusion of their analysis.
So I suppose it all comes down to this: who would you trust with an economic forecast: David C (whose government has repeatedly got its economic forecasts wrong) and its propaganda wing the Blatantly Biased Corp, or a respected independent city think-tank who would all lose their jobs if their forecasts were continually wrong?
Mike,
And Capital Economics has a much better forecasting record than the Treasury, but then so do I. That would not be difficult !
Grant, LOL, absolutely 🙂
Jim Mellon, the investor who correctly forecast the last economic recession, says Britain is “better off outside the European Union”.
Mr. Mellon — referred to be some as ‘Britain’s answer to Warren Buffett’ — has concluded from his assessment of the current economic climate that Britain is “better off outside the European Union in a comfortably appointed lifeboat in the English Channel, as the Euro Titanic sinks to the bottom of the ocean.”
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/06/06/watch-the-investor-who-predicted-the-recession-warns-the-eu-is-about-to-implode/
Another forecaster who has a better track record of forecasting than the Treasury, not that it’s hard LOL 🙂
Should be big news on the BBC !
And published in Dirty diggers rag no less.
What about all the other reports that say it will have potentially serious consequences?
This isnt a sweet shop you know. There maybe some shiney ones that look tasty but all have a price. Lets hope you and yours dont end up paying it.
Er we a second on the tax evasion list to the Swiss.
As to kindness you either need to let some of these posts sink in or get some glasses. This place is a hotbed of racism!
To er is inarticulate, but to forgive still divine. Sinking-wise.
LOL !
All totally accurate except You forget a few salient points. Firstly, this whole debate and the political context in which it is occurring is not unique but rather symptomatic of the collapse of capitalism since 1980 ish.
1980 saw the likes of the big bang and the general liberation of numerous credit scams. No longer did money have to be backed by anything. Even the notion of a marginal reserve was abandoned.
The massive ,and largely uncontrolled credit expansion, had the effect of massively increasing the consolidation of multinational business as well as making the poor massively poorer in relation to the rich.
In 2012 about 80 individuals in the world owned about the same as the bottom 50 % world population. In 2014 that reduced to only 62 individuals. That indicates the rapidpace of inequality.
One huge effect of this inequality is that conventional politics is collapsing . Its hardly a surprise that noone actually has a clue what the immediate effects of Brexit will be. Similarly who knows what would happen if Trump became President. Meanwhile in europe ,economic inequalities created by neoliberalism have negatively affected people and states, with Germany being the biggest beneficery. One result is the rise of multiple and often marginal parties scrambling for solutions.
In this context, this brexit vote is just a manefestation of political collapse. You make think you actually have power t o make a difference but in reality that was taken away from you donkeys years ago. Whilst you were maxing out your credit cards and supping lattes the financial world keenly obliged with extra credit and loans with the interest further swelling the coffers of the rich.
This referendum is a phoney. Essentially most people, including me, havent any real idea as to what might happen immediately after a Brexit other the its likely the UK will dip,maybe badly,maybe fatally.
But in essence its a phoney for much bigger reasons. Those multinationals wont go away afterwards. All that foreign investment ,some of which has bought central london and a considerable amount of utilities,wont go away. All that foreign security back phoney credit which has made house buying impossible for the young and yet millionaires of the credit backed landlords wont go away.
Neither will the historically unprecedented trade deficit, budget deficit,collapse in productivity and manufacturing.
For these reasons and many more this country is finished. Even City swindling ,our only sucess story, if you can call it that, will end up in Frankfurt.
Not a good time to rock the boat imo, even if it is the Titanic
Roll roll up at this breaking news where do we start taking bets
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36460569
If it goes the way I think it’ll vanish.
Perhaps a Frenchman of either Morocon origin or Turkish or Syrian
They’re now saying that the Frenchman was going to target mosques and Jews during the euros 2016 . That would have caused a real meltdown during ramadan .
He was going to attack mosques and Jews??
Sounds like a helluvah confused far right winger.
I have no idea who is the bigger threat to West
Jewish Muslims or Muslim Jews.
The would be confused terrorist needs to get his fundamentalism right.
We should have a new thread every day ..as that would help with the speed problems.
Instead of ghetting unwieldy threads of 350 posts.
Now some people will try to game the system HERE by getting their own post at the top every day, so thwart them by throwing a dice to decide the random time the new thread is started.
Stew,
Excellent idea ! I second that !
Woman’s Hour features a certain US politician
Wow, it’s about her failure to woo black women. And WH did Trump 2 weeks ago.
“Hillary is PANDERING” someone says
next item has a French actress who opened with “everyone should vote remain”
..provoking a scramble of “We cannot endorse any position on this prog, I’m sure some other actresses will vote leave”..”no they won’t” shouted the actress
Stew,
She is right. Almost all Luvvies will vote Remain !
Economics, money, economy, money, money.
Mark 8:36King James Version (KJV)
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
If we stay in the EU, its unlikely we will all get rich, but Britain will lose its soul.
Guess what? The BBC do recognise that child sexual abuse takes place. I am surprised that their token who denied it took place at Rotherham is not discussing it.
This particular bastard has gone down with a long sentence, longer I bet than any of the Rotherham Muslim rape gang leaders.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36458472
GWF
He gets a longer sentence because he is not a muslim.
When he gets inside he will probably convert, like Levi Bellfield did. It’s easier inside if you are a muslim. I believe the children he abused were Christians, so that will also earn him brownie points amongst the faithful. Raping Christian children is virtually an article of faith, and certainly no crime as they see it.
The bBC covers up Islamic rapes (yet again)
http://the-eyeontheworld.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/the-bbc-covers-up-islamic-rapes-yet.html
The BBC are again in denial. They are now pretending that their denial is not a denial.
At least the kids in Kuala Lumpur have been saved from this sicko immigrant. If only the kids in the Northern towns of England had the same protection.
BBC Trending is learning to tone down A BIT
They reported people standing against the draconian EU Social Media ‘HateSpeech’ new censorship
They aired a US Freedom guy
but then aired Jess Phillips a female MP victim, who wants misogyny added to the EU ban.
then Tim Garton Ash who wanted to raise the bar from hate speech to ‘Dangerous Speech’
*
..Then they did air Pakistini women fighting against a ‘right to beat your wife’ speech
Oh bit that they left out of their program, but put on their rather quiet Facebook page : The pill that cures Islamophobia (bit boring and actually the vested guy hugging the Muslim seems haram by normal rules)
* Tech Tent also cover it
Jewish guy called for Twitter to have bots removing ‘hate’
and that US free speech laws are too open and Europe should have a lower standard
(No you can’t have country specific restrictions as most dictators view challenging of their views as offensive)
Their expert then claimed Twitter doesn’t have to obey first amendment which is true. It seems to have banned some conservatives cos it doesn’t like them like Milo Y
A Spiked Article calls for removal of these ‘HateSpeech’ laws
The BBC has made a big deal of John Major’s unpleasant and personally insulting remarks against those with the temerity to want the UK to run its own affairs and avoid the financial mess called the EU.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36454782
Obviously the BBC has forgotten that this is the same John Major who dragged the UK into the German con called the ERM. The idea of the ERM was to boost German exports whilst flattening all countries stupid enough to join. The final cost of the ignominious expulsion of the UK from the ERM is guessed at around £3.4 Billion pounds.
Why is the BBC not reminding him of this?
BTW the BBC, Guardian and other left wing financial geniuses were all mindlessly in favour of the ERM, threatening us with death pestilence and plague should we not join.
Scribbling, I think you’ve answered your own question there. If the bBC/Gruadian et al ripped into Major re. the ERM their support for his myopic economic planning might just be dragged back into the spotlight. This might prove a tad embarrassing whilst they’ve thrown their collective hats into the Remainiac ring.
Who can ever forget Major-alongside Clarke, Heseltine and the (redeemed) Lamont as they bet Maggies Farm against George Soros on Black Wednesday in Sept 1992.
And lost the lot of it.
Who better to give us advice on septic shock to the economic system if we vote to Leave?
Unthinkable…but what a goldfish bowl the liberal elite are now in, when they`ll never mention the Three most culpable, inept Tories as the very men who paved the way for thirteen years of Blair and Brown.
The Tory corpse has long been twisting in the wind..and these three traitors continue to pull at its ankles to keep it very dead.
Whatever happens on the 23rd-the Tories are dead, unless Gove and Johnson etc are given it…there`s not a person in the country who`ll forgive Cameron and Osborne, Soubry and May for their quisling treachery.
Gove as Chancellor, Johnson as PM…come what may…because in the nations hour of need they put conviction above party…and we likey…
ChrisH: as they bet Maggies Farm
You do have a way with words.
If Boris does become PM, he will have to tone down a bit. I would prefer Gove. But he is too intellectual for public consumption.
Gosh, the BBC does have a conveniently short memory. Shock, horror today as the pound has slipped a massive 0.5% because the Leave campaign might be ahead in the polls (you know, the ones that don’t count). Read about the disaster here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36458933
It reads just like one of Roger Harrabin’s tales of climate woe. But what is this that I found in the BBC archives:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7091089.stm
What a load of sh*te you get for £4Bn.
The pound moves more than that on a daily basis for all sorts of reasons. If the tiny fall is due to the polls it suggests that the markets have already discounted a Brexit vote. Lefties, including the BBC do not understand markets .
The FT 100 is up 1.11 % today. That should be a big headline on the BBC !
OT, but my MEP sent me an ‘independent’ quiz from SKY.
https://eurometer.news.sky.com
The section on identity is intriguing, as it has your ‘hood, your country and the globe.
Oh, and stuck in the middle is an arbitrary politico-financial trading bloc very keen that ‘we’ ‘Remain’.
OMG, the BBC are running a headline story on what Boris said this morning!! [Picks self up of floor]
Ah no, normal service resumes. Phew, they had me worried there for a minute!
Boris’s picture has him looking worriedly sideways, compare to Cameron’s where he’s standing confidently, almost square to the camera…
I see what you did there, very crafty…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457376
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36459451
And Gove looks a bit weird. Cameron, the ultimate Macho Man ! The BBC are relentless, childish and I hate them more every day. Why am I paying for their crap ?
Grant are you sure he hasnt got a migrant up his rectum. I guess a photo call with the worlds press would be a bad time to let the bugger out. Got to respect his sphincter control!
Oaknash,
LOL ! I first read ” migrant” as “magnet ” . LOL !
Grant I should have said it looks like Cameron has an illegal up his rectum -I am sure in his Bullingdon Club days it was something he may well of regularly availed himself of . What is up there now – we shall never know but he certainly appears to be enjoying the sensation.
LOL !
Mike,
Has Cameron already started his new job as a used car salesman?
RJ,
LOL ! Would you buy a used car from that man ?
BBC TV Propaganda South-East had their own car-based metaphor last week. “Random” voters were asked to walk over to one of two vehicles parked in a field to signal which way they would vote.
Remain: a rather smart vintage red sports car, might have been an Alfa Romeo, beautifully kept.
Leave: a sludge green old British Hillman, or some such, distinctly old-fashioned and clapped-out looking.
The smug chortling of producer at this brilliant set-up was all but audible. And oh, how we laughed at home at the Farage-y old heap of tin. Not.
Would you buy a used car from that man ?
I wouldn’t accept water from him if I were dying of thirst in the desert.
Surely some enthusiastic member of our noble Police Service could issue these three boyish racers – no feminist slur intended, Harriet – with rectification orders for illegal number plates?
Harriet is putting on a bit of weight around the middle, legs looking rather fat.
Just feeling a bit sexist
All showing their “patriotism” by standing in front of German cars. As can the Czechs with Skoda, the Spanish with Seat, the Italians with Bugatti, Lamborghini, the Swedes with Scania.
Do we see a connection here on who they report to? Is there a hidden meaning to ever closer union and better off together.
I am reminded of an episode of Blackadder when two extremely camp actors instructed The Prince of Wales how to stand in the “heroic position”.
Cameron has nailed it here.
John – I remember that episode of Blackadder well. The two actors Kearnrick and Mossop (Hugh Paddick & Kenneth Connor) instruct the Prince of Wales how to speak in public. “The hero stands thus.” says Mossop, demonstrating the way to impress. Whereupon the prince leans backwards (like Macamerroon above) and thrusts out his genitalia . This was produced when the BBC used to do comedy that appealed to everyone. Not like the crap they produce now – especially the loathsome Friday night so-called comedy on Radio 4 which appeals to no one except theselves. Vote Brexit – then scrap the BBC.
Ah yes, the famous ‘Power Stance’ which I believe they got ribbed mercilessly for at the party conference. I see the Daily Mail made the same connection with Blackadder at the time…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3261761/George-Osborne-s-wide-stance-Tory-Conference-speech-mocked-online.html
Never trust anyone whose stance is being micromanaged by consultants. Not a backbone between them.
Funny it`s not a pink van behind Hattie isn`t it?
And wasn`t Natalie Bennett there in her green wheelbarrow or composting bin…so have they cut her out?
But what grim jawed statesmen we have…so i`m voting to stay in now….and I`ll tell the BBC that it was this picture that did it…so we`ll get more of them.
Wacky Racers…a Muttley crew indeed!
Dave looks more like Dick Dastardly…His power stance has convinced me, how could I have doubted him for even a minute.
shelly,
On the other hand he may have a hernia or some similar affliction. I wonder how long it took them to work out that Dave’s legs should be further apart that the other guy’s ( who is he anyway ? ) and to convince Harriet to keep hers together ?
Well he has shown how dastardly he is with his utter desperation to give away the Great British peoples sovereignty….plus we already knew he was a world class Dick!
I would go with that name shelly
The chap in the middle – is he selling German cars?
If BBC staff had more than three or four brain cells between them to rub together to make a spark they would realise how ridiculous it is to portray Cameron as courageous and confident when the snake is proposing to destroy his own country for his political benefit while genuine courage and commitment to Britain is being demonstrated by those in the Brexit camp.
If remain wins his EU masters will no doubt reward him for his devotion and loyalty with a place in the first coach of the gravy train. In time he may even get to be one of the four EU Presidents. Or is it five?
But that’s all academic since Brexit is going to win. Of that, I have no doubt.
Given that some chancer, charging £10k per day for ‘media training’, was able to persuade the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Home Secretary and Prime Minister to adopt a ridiculous ‘power stance’ in public, can we really trust these idiots to represent the UK’s national interest in EU negotiations? No wonder Cameron came back with a blank piece of paper.
LOL all – very funny 🙂
Just noticed also that the Cameron pic has the Remainiac slogans in the background, while the Bojo/Gove pic does not… so free advertising for Remain. very clever, very crafty!
Mike,
More evidence that the BBC are childish idiots. Do they really think this sub-liminal crap will influence the way people vote ? I mean “I am going to vote remain because Cameron looks so macho and Boris and Gove look a bit silly “. Come to think of it Beeboids are so stupid , they probably think it will !
Grant,
It was very probably a bright idea from one of the BBC’s newer staff – a graduate who was a former assistant editor for the student Labour Party mag.
Grant
I’m not sure… advertising works (at least, to a certain extent) and impressions are created by photographs (as you say, would you buy a used car from him?!?) I think that for undecided voters, these things – along with their wall-to-wall Remainiac propaganda – may make the difference…
It definitely works – look at male skin care products. They started advertising when I was about 20 years old. The general consensus amongst my mates was ‘what a load of crap’. After 18 years of advertising, they’re ‘normal’ to young men now.
The BBC/EU propaganda is the same. Young people don’t stand a chance unless they have adults in their lives that teach them to think critically about the media message. When I was younger I believed everything on the TV news – TV broadcast factual documentaries that I liked, so the ‘factual’ news had to be trustworthy. Especially as the TV documentaries also taught me that only the Nazis lied and the BBC was always truthful.
I’m sure talk of Harriet Harman’s red Mini, will haunt her for years to come.
It’s certainly got me reaching for the mind bleach!
I hadn’t even made the association until I read your comment. Yuk.
The Mayor of London will be fasting for 19 hours a day during the “holy month of Ramadan”. Surely this behaviour can only impact negatively on the discharge of his duties:
“London’s first Muslim mayor, Sadiq Khan, tweeted that fasting “won’t be easy” and said he will miss coffee the most.”
Thanks to the BBC for providing the fasting times, and also for the handy link to the Mosque Directory so I may check the fasting times for my area. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36459143
Now, remind me. Which direction is Mecca?
Fasting for Muslims means abstaining from food in daylight hours, then gorging oneself through the night.
Muslims gain weight at Ramadan.- which says it all. The trouble with Islam, is that much of it is show. As there is no spirituality in the religion, it all boils down to competition among the followers , to show publicly who is more devouter.
1. So they wear clothes to indicate their devoutness.
2. Go through all manner of ritual excercises for prayer, but no real prayer, as we in the West know it.
3. Fasting – but really an excuse for publicising to the world that they are devout. Then gorging in the dark of the night.
4. This competition to show how devout they are, also leads to killing Infidels – Jihad.
Not the way Khan bring it up. A Christian does not normally publicise that he/she is fasting. Neither doe he waihgh others to make any allowance for it. Muslims do.
And BTW, killing Infidels always goes up during the period of Ramadan.
It would be stupid to send greetings for a festival , where killing Infidels is one of the features.
NCBBC,
Good post. Having lived in 3 muslim countries I can confirm, only anecdotally , that crime goes up. Most muslims certainly take extra precautions during Ramadan. It also leads to a certain craziness generally. I certainly wouldn’t advise trying to get anything serious done during Ramadan. My wife, who is in Gambia at the moment , is going to buy a new washing machine for our house there. I suggested she wait until after Ramadan !
‘Pounce’, a semi-regular poster on here, maintains a Ramadan death count on his blog. Quite an eye opener (no pun intended).
http://the-eyeontheworld.blogspot.co.uk/
Grant
Thanks. Take care.
Longest Ramadamalamadingdong ever says the BBC who offer advice on fasting during this holy period in British kulture.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36459143
If they are fasting for so long perhaps their benefits cut be cut in order to provide food for those who want to eat.
G.W.F. Snap! Great minds and all that.
Mr G,
There is a debate among muslim scholars as to whether the rules should apply in high latitudes given that the authors of the Koran were not aware that they exist. Pity any muslims in Iceland . No food for a month ! Many muslims cheat anyway. I know because I have caught them. Secret eating and drinking. They even joke about it in some muslim countries. In Gambia, they call them “plastic muslims ” . A double joke meaning malleable and also hiding plastic bottles of water in secret places.
Needless to say the BBC knows nothing about this or does and…….. !!!!!
Islamic scholars insist the world is flat, so it should not be a problem. Should it?
But the author was Allah! How could he not know that?
In a previous job there was a Somalian that berated an Iranian lady for not fasting. The Iranian was a very moderate intelligent lady. The Somalian was thick as pig shit. He banged on about the Koran, she turned things around and made him look like a right tit. Happy days. Incidentally, she was in the advanced stages of pregnancy. What kind of person harasses a pregnant lady for not fasting? I can only presume his mother fasted fastidiously. It would certainly explain his IQ.
Dear BBC, reference your Ramadamalamadingdong story. Here’s 10p, phone someone who gives a f*ck.
Also, here is what happens when a successful tv show format is in the hands of a bunch of activist left-wing twats who do not have to compete in the real market place:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36458510
I have never been a fan of Top Gear but obviously a lot of licence fee payers were. They now have to endure a product that has been given the dreaded PC makeover to remove nearly everything they enjoyed about it.
Ha ha, they put “longest” in double-quotes, but “holy month” without quotes!! So now it’s a fact that it’s a holy month, is it Beeb? For goodness sake.
Some would differ… but then again, I suppose it depends on what your definition of holiness is… Unfortunately a longer month will give more opportunity to celebrate in the traditional way 🙁
“When the sacred months have passed, then kill the Mushrikin wherever you find them. Capture them. Besiege them. Lie in wait for them in each and every ambush but if they repent, and perform the prayers, and give zacat then leave their way free.” Koran 9:5
Good. So If its a sacred month, Muslims are no allowed to kill Jews and Christians.
The trouble is that some Muslims will try to show they are more devout then others, and start killing Jews and Christians, when its not open season.
I have long been arguing that Sky news has gone the BBC/Guardian way, and many seem to agree.
On the Sky news web site I participated in a survey re the EU vote . It concluded I was a nationalist, which I am not, I read the Daily Mail, which I do not and that I vote Conservative which I do not.
Hence, their view of people who want control over the own sovereignty must be those with whom they disagree: right wingers.
At no time was I asked for my political affiliations or which paper I read so their conclusions were based on their own prejudices.
The political affiliation question was in there as who did you vote for in the last election, but certainly not the newspaper one.
I do not know if you looked at any other of their categories answers but no less than two said they were typically a Guardian reader!
So by association they also believe what the BBC says!
I see that on the BBC website, James Lansdale is reporting that all those MPs who wish us to remain , SNP, most Labour and of course Cameroons , may , in the event of a LEAVE vote , gang up to force the UK to accept a Norway style deal on the free market . This would of course entail us continuing to pay lots of cash to Brussels , and still accepting free movement of people etc. So, far from exiting the EU, we would be in a position of accepting all the things we don’t like about the EU despite voting to LEAVE. A particularly supercilious article by Michael White in the Guardian goes into greater depth about this . This man is nauseating . Basically he is urging MPs to do the above and ignore the will of the people who elected them. So much for democracy.
Clearly the fact that this sinister attack on the democratic will of the British people is being contemplated at all indicates that Remain are panicking. It also shows just how desperate the liberal left are and how much they despise ordinary voters.If the liberal left elite do try this shabby political manoeuvre to keep us more or less in the EU against our will, the people must resist in any way they can. Who the hell do these elitist think they are to deliberately ignore the will of the people? We are used to Labour under Blair and Brown lying to us, concealing their mass immigration policy etc etc but this would take us to new depths of leftist arrogance. Its about time this self serving set of scum bags thought about what they are doing – basically they are proposing something profoundly anti democratic and we all know where that will end. We should not accept this outcome without a struggle.
I suggest everyone contacts their MP as I have done today. I informed him that, should we vote to leave and he votes for continued ties with Europe, not only will I not vote for him again but will actively campaign against him. No reply as of yet.
It’s all a bit like the League of Gentlemen, welcome to Royston Vasey, you’ll never leave.
What you are have uncovered is standard EU policy.
I guess Labour can argue that a referendum was never in their manifesto, so they see no reason to accept the outcome. By the same logic, I never voted to repeal the treason laws or the death penalty. I guess that means they won’t have a chair leg to stand on if they effectively declare war on the UK population.
(to be clear, I am not threatening to hang traitor MPs – although I would happily trot down to The Tower of London to watch)
Yes Doublethinker – absolutely. The whole thing is a desperate sham. First of all, are they seriously suggesting that they will take us back into the EEA without another referendum?!? That would be treating the electorate with contempt. (And it would create an excellent precedent for a UKIP government to LEAVE the EEA/EU without a referendum.) Secondly, the idea of being part of the EEA was nixed earlier in the campaign by all and sundry. They are getting really, really desperate now. Watch out for warnings of our credit rating going down, IMF not lending to us any more, food in your fridge going bad, plagues of locusts, etc etc.
Mike,
The good sign is that the Remainers are really panicking now whereas the Leavers seem quite calm. It is as if the Remainers almost accept they will lose. I am sure they will have a lot more dirty tricks up their sleeves in the meantime.
You know that folder the BBC that gets shared around all the editors in the evening…
Newsbeat
Are you happy with your partner’s porn habits – do you even know about them?
We want to hear from you about what porn does to relationships – good and bad.
Email Hannah totally confidentially: newsbeat@bbc.co.uk
Like, totally, Hannah. Lots of luck.
The BBC is getting more outrageously biased in favour of the Remainiacs.
Gove and Bojo get a brief glimpse in a news segment, whilst that traitor Cameron and his motley crew of scumbags get to spout guff for the cameras.
The BBC is not even pretending to be impartial anymore.
Voice of the Mysterons
“The BBC is getting more outrageously biased in favour of the Remainiacs.”
Don’t forget “The closer to the target the greater the flak”.
Found this on Guido.
This time last year the Treasury admitted child benefit was exported to 30,000 children in other EU countries in 2014-2015. If you ask for this year’s numbers however, they aren’t keen to spill the beans.
Ministers have refused to answer FIVE parliamentary questions on the cost of sending child benefit to other EU member states. Leave MPs William Wragg and Anne-Marie Trevelyan have tried to get answers, only to be told that providing a response would cause “disproportionate cost” to the taxpayer. Which is odd since Treasury minister David Gauke admitted in 2012 that the data on the number of claimants “is available from a database maintained by HM Revenue and Customs”. These figures were released without a fuss when requested by MPs in previous years. Yet updating us with the latest numbers is coincidentally now judged to be too expensive.
Almost as if the Treasury is holding the numbers back until June 24.
http://order-order.com/2016/06/06/treasury-refuse-to-answer-eu-benefit-question-five-times/
I hope Boris, Gove and co get hold of this and shout it from the rooftops.
24 June is going to be one hell of a day – whichever way you look at it!
I heard Cameremain interviewed by Jezza Whine on his show this lunchtime. There is no way that Farage -nor any of the other prominent Leavers- would have been allowed to speak for such long periods, without effective interruption, like this d**k was by Jezza.
I think Vine made a fair show of pretending to be hard on Cameron, unfortunately he left out the ‘killer’ questions.
When Cameron went on his trip around Europe he told us how tough he was going to be and that the EU needed reform. So determined was he to get a ‘good deal’ that if he didn’t get it he was going to campaign to ‘leave’. Well of course in the end he asked for nothing and got even less, in fact the EU got one over on him because he agreed not to stand in the way of the others going for ‘ever closer union’. Cameron 0, EU 1. So how come, if we believe him, he was prepared to campaign for ‘leave’ Brexit is now a disaster in progress? Either he was telling fibs then or he is now, (or both).
The other missing point is the ‘Turkey question’. Now the BBC have decided that the ‘leave’ side have got this issue technically wrong so they have put it in the bin of ‘leave lies’. However Cameron is on record as being in favour of Turkey’s EU membership so was he fibbing to Ankara then or is he fibbing to us now? Technically he could block membership but will he? In any case the Commission has sidestepped all the heads of government by giving Turkey ‘free movement’ or de facto membership in all but name.
I don’t make a habit of posting other peoples posting from other threads, but I thought that this one deserves a wider audience. Hope the writer doesn’t mind.
Sound just come on. Norman Stone BBC political editor: ;Focusing on immigration appears to be paying off for Leave. Polls and momentum moving their way’. Is this why Cameron has linked hands with the open door immigration policy of Natalie Bennett and HH ? Bold strategy. ‘I have given up on immigration. Let them all come’. Bold strategy. Let us see if polls back him up later in the week.
Cameron did say when Bojo announced on the famous Sunday that he would now be linking arms with Jeremy Corbyn and Nigel Farage. Bojo said he would not. It appears that Cameron is only not linking arms with Corbyn because Corbyn refused. I assume it would be disaster for both Brand Corbyn and Brand Cameron. It seems Cameron is having a leaders united (minus Farage) of course show of force (with non leader HH making up the numbers). Remain look like they are deluded this will help or just trying to lose or maybe have the thrill of the political version of Russian Roulette: flirting with disaster. All this brought about by one or two polls with a small move to Leave ? What happens if they get a poll with a big swing to leave ? Cameron and Ed Miliband and Kinnock and Russell Brand and Jordan ? My theory is regardless of the election that Owen Jones is a vote loser. His switch to Remain may explain the polls switch to Leave.
EXCLUSIVE: EU Staffer Tweets EU Referendum Propaganda, Fakes Name, Deletes Account
http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-eu-staffer-tweets-eu-referendum-propaganda-fakes-name-deletes-account/
(Linked from Guido)
“Top Remainiac lie of the week competition” – Douglas Murray in The Spectator
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/another-week-of-eu-dishonesty/
None of these called out by the BBC, of course…
Click to access GMB_Results_160603_UndecidedVoters_Website.pdf
Latest polling from YouGov for the GMB shows every single region bar London & Scotland wants to leave the EU.
Can’t vouch for these figures but if anyone else can then I’d be obliged.
between 2012 & 2014 more than one million persons took up residence in an EU Member State other than their country of citizenship. 41.2% took up residence in the UK, 21.6 % in Germany, 7.7 % in Belgium, 4.5 % in Austria and Spain, 4% in France 3.6% in Ireland, 2.9% in Sweden & 2.6% in Denmark.
No wonder people want to get out !
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migration_and_migrant_population_statistics
Found it !
Detain Illegal Migrants In Island Camps, Says Austrian Foreign Minister
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/06/detain-illegal-migrants-in-island-camps-says-austrian-foreign-minister/
Now here’s a good idea. Wonder if the BBC will cover it? Muwahahahahahahaha…
If the UK took up this idea, this seems an ideal location for Camoron’s trickle of gimmegrants; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruinard_Island
Economists what exactly do they do ???
We have had some economic disasters in the last 40 years and now we are told that they are all for ‘Remaining’ .
“Are Economics Graduates Fit for Purpose?”……………………
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35462879
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migration_and_migrant_population_statistics
No wonder the UK populace are so much more worried by EU Migration than other member countries, it’s because over 40% of them between 2013 – 14 have come here! That’s nearly double of the closest country Germany.
Of these, 41.2 % took up residence and worked in the United Kingdom, 21.6 % in Germany, 7.7 % in Belgium, 4.5 % in Austria and Spain, 4% in France 3.6% in Ireland, 2.9% in Sweden & 2.6% in Denmark.
On paper then it is clear that eleven EU countries should be a better financial draw to migrants from poorer EU Countries than the UK is because they pay higher wages and salaries.
The game changer for the UK is social security, benefits attracting poor migrants are housing benefit and child benefit, and we have the NHS,
The other driver is Tax which is averaged in the UK at 26.8% where other EU countries such as Germany it is 45.1% !
BBc North West goes into full on sob mode for members of the cult as we enter ramadam. Interviews with a few students takeing their exams. One girl informs us in poor countries they have to starve and this fast makes them feel more sympathetic for them. Over to the drone in the mosque which he describes as a beautiful building and talks to someone there who tells us there are exceptions to the fast. North west I really don’t care
Utter garbage isn’t it? Remind me of the coverage they give to Easter, or even Yom Kippur? Usless dhimmi morons the lot of them.
Oh, and the “beautiful” mosque looked like a 70s airport departure lounge to me, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Close of markets today
FT100 Up 1.1 %
Pound/Euro Up 0.29 %
Pound/ USD Up 0.11 %
The end is nigh then if we vote Brexit! Or possibly not.
Lobster. The end perhaps for all the EU bulls**t; that we won’t be forced to comply, put up with and pay for anymore.
Oh joy! Look East in Wisbeach interviewing first time voters at college. 90percent want out. As Stewart said, we were not expecting that.
Apalled OAP,
I didn’t see that report but, given it was filmed in East Anglia, they probably interviewed young people with first hand experience of the benefits of the mass immigration of cheap agricultural labourers. Amazing what you find when you venture out of Islington.
Peter Snow hosted a ‘youth’ debate in Norwich for Channel 4, and a similar outcome, with the youngsters wanting to leave, – Snow seemed to be ‘thrown’ by the outcome.
Peter Snow? Seriously? He must be pushing 80, is that who you’d choose to host a youth debate? He’s older than their grandads!
Cassius Clay was probably as close to perfection as a human could come in the BBC’s eyes. A southern black man who was a white hating convert to Islam, what’s not to like as far as the BBC is concerned. Consequently, the idiots at the BBC will be totally unable to comprehend the most favoured comments here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/36452615
The world must be so confusing for the poor darlings.
Andrew Neil interviewed Hilary Benn on BBC this evening and gave him a pretty hard time. Benn rather pathetic as usual. Watched it with my elderly mum who said ” why does he keep calling him Andrew ?”. I replied that it is his name. Mum ” I know, but he doesn’t have to say it every 2 minutes “. It was very irritating as Benn thought the frequent repeating of “Andrew” would endear himself to Andrew. Pathetic really.
It is Osborne on Wednesday. I hope Andrew gives him an even harder time . Nigel on Friday !
I hope he tears Gideon a new one!
Austria would like to join UK in limiting benefits to migrants
Within the European Union, Kurz [Austria’s foreign minister] said the principle of free movement meant EU citizens were migrating to countries with the most generous social welfare systems. He said Austria should follow Britain in seeking ways to treat foreigners differently from its own citizens when it comes to benefit payments.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/06/detain-illegal-migrants-in-island-camps-says-austrian-foreign-minister/
How come we never see this on the BBC who are supposed to be informing us impartially?!?
Blatantly Biased Corp at its finest.
I like Austria. The chap who just had the presidential election stolen from him on the “postal votes” habitually carries a Glock. Shows the likes of Cameron up for the pussies they are.
Perhaps my esteemed colleagues here can assist me in resolving some confusion: apparently the latest polls show Brexit slightly ahead of the remainians. Yet this poll
http://www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/
has shown a consistent result of 82% or 83% for Brexit and only 14% or 15% for remainians over the month that I’ve been aware of it. A month back it had received around 40 000 votes and now over 103 000.
So does this poll somehow attract Brexiters in a way that skews the results or are the other polls unreliable?
No poll is reliable.
Just vote – simples
I would vote, but I’m Israeli, not British.
TrueToo
Become a British Citzen , everyone else and the rest of the world is at the moment with our ‘used car salesman’ in charge.
Agree, Taffman, Britain is fast becoming the Care Home for the planet.
Spoke to friends earlier in Ramsgate, (Kent), and the general feeling in that area is one of impending doom, knowing that new invaders are sitting on the opposite side of the channel just waiting to pounce. The economy in that semi-deprived area has never been great, – especially after the boom years of having holidaymakers from this Country descend in huge numbers to the region before the advent of package holidays; then came the welfare and benefit seekers taking over the B & B’s, followed by mainly Eastern Europeans who arrived in Dover (legally) never left the area and are now holed up in the old style hotels along the seafronts of that coastline. A once genteel area of the south east coast now endures an almost curfew like existence, where locals no longer stroll after dark in certain areas of their own town. I could weep for the area of my birth that, along with other seaside towns they can do nothing to protect themselves from yet another foreign invasion of more young, leather jacketed men who are far removed from our culture.
This, more than anywhere could have had a UKIP MP but the voting didn’t go that way; and now its alleged that there was something amiss with the voting set up. Regardless, most I knew voted UKIP, and no doubt in light of recent events, many more wished they’d had, but hope they see sense now and vote LEAVE.
BRISSLES
Good post !
Where is my pal Essexman on this ?
Has he emigrated or is he keeping his head down ?
Not Al Beeb Bias
The trouble with MPs is they do not listen to the people that voted them in to their comfy jobs .
They have forgotten their position in politics, they just lecture their constituents on what we should be thinking and doing . They are condescending and treat us with contempt , hence these headlines………………
‘Pro-Europe MPs could defy Brexit poll victory’
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/pro-europe-mps-could-defy-brexit-poll-victory-6j82fj65f
But their duty is to act on our wishes and opinions – presently they are ‘the tail wagging the dog’.
Time to make change and vote UKIP, Lets make Britain great again, none of the other parties will.
TrueToo
Become a British Citzen
Problem is, not being Eastern European or an Islamic activist ‘refugee’ from Africa or Asia, it would take me a helluvah long time to have my application considered and then refused.
England kicked all the Jews out back in the 1300s, I think it was, and only allowed them back in centuries later.
Then the Jews kicked the British out of Palestine and established Israel.
And of course there was that thing about traitor Mordecai Vaanunu being lured from Britain to Italy by a sexy Mossad spy, whence he was kidnapped and plonked in an Israeli jail, there to languish for many years – though for far less than he deserved.
Not to mention the Mossad’s use of British passports to send an Islamic terrorist to his 72-year-old virgin.
So I dunno how welcome an Israeli application would be for British citizenship.
I don’t see why an Israeli shouldn’t have a vote, half of Pakistan does. I know which I’d prefer.
Lol, thanks for that, Rob in Cheshire.
Rob,
Agreed !
Too True
Get yourself a burqa, and then a postal vote.
You have till midnight tonight.
Thanks for the chuckle, NCBBC.
But I don’t think I’ll have time to make it over there and get the burqa.
Pity they trashed Concorde.
I don’t think any self-selecting poll can be representative as it doesn’t correct for demographics, and anyway us Leavers are apparently more enthusiastic than the Remainiacs – so we’re more likely to take part in an online DIY poll!
In a professional poll they will adjust the numbers to get a balanced picture by age, gender, and political leanings. So for example if there were 400 women and 600 men interviewed, making a total sample of 1000 people, clearly this isn’t going to give a good average for the UK as there are approx 50% men and 50% women in the country.
So, you’d have to average out all the female respondents’ answers and then weight them by 5/4 (1.25) to get them up to the figure it would (presumably) have been if there had been 500 women in the sample instead of just 400.
Similarly, you’d have to average out all the male respondents’ answers and then weight them by 5/6 (0.83) to get them down to the figure it would have been if there had been just 500 men in the sample instead of 600.
Does this makes sense?
A professional poll will also adjust for age ranges and political views, based on the last time you voted, for example.
Does this help?
It did not help them in the last general election ?
The got it wrong to the utter amazement of Al Beeb- “and they did not like it up em”
Indeed!
Polls are often wrong for a variety of reasons. There is a margin of error to start with: asking 1000 people isn’t the same as asking the entire country. But even if you did ask the whole country, people don’t always do what they say they will do, for a variety of reasons – they might decide not to vote after all (or vice versa) or they might simply change their minds and vote the other way, even if they’ve told you they were certain which way they would vote!!
At the moment it’s far too close to call, with so many undecided who may yet swing the vote. Lord Ashcroft’s recent re-survey of the public (sample size 5000) shows that of the undecideds, 60% would now vote to Remain if they did decide to vote at all, probably because more of the previously-undecideds have now joined the Leave camp. But it’s still not the best news for us Leavers.
And, as I say – far too close to call.
But the Remainiacs are sh*tting their pants 🙂
Yes, that’s interesting. But I was wondering specifically about the pollstation poll and why and how it had maintained that consistent 82%-83% vote for Brexit over a span of at least 60 000 votes. 103 000 people is a helluvah big sample.
So I’m wondering – is the pollstation thingy part of a publication that would automatically attract mainly Brexiter-type people or does it have broader appeal? If the poll reaches a broad spectrum of people and still veers drastically towards Brexit, surely that would mean the remainians are stuffed?
We live in hope.
I rather think that a large part of that might be leavers are relatively passionate about it and so engaged. Remainers are luke warm, probably holding their nose before voting on the vague expectation of the EU suddenly becoming reformist.
Unfortunately “reforming” the EU can also be towards ever closer union!
Remainers are not voting because they like the EU, but because they have been scared about what might happen if they leave the EU. In 1975 I believe many people were genuinely enthused about the EEC, but not any more.
….leavers are relatively passionate about it and so engaged.
Well, the remainians have the BBC and like-minded propagandists to whip up their enthusiasm.
Mike,
I think you’ve given us a very good account of how polls used to be adjusted to obtain a balanced result. Most polls these days seem to be adjusted to ensure that the results are aligned with the prejudices of whoever commissioned them.
Guess what: those anti-migrant demonstrators arrested in Brighton were actually pro-migrant demonstrators.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/06/revealed-arrests-reported-far-right-protest/
Thanks BBC for making it look like it was the anti-migrant demonstrators who got arrested, via creative headlines such as “Arrests at Brighton anti-immigration demo”.
Classic role reversal tactics.
Blatantly Biased Corp at its finest™
Now ,lets see what the Clapped out busman will say about that ?
It is usually the Left who use violence, in this country anyway.
The BBC and local media all gave the impression that the arrests were from the anti immigrant people. But there was a problem; they mentioned that they were masked. Probably those Guy Fawkes masks made by sweated labour in China.
Part of the lie comes from the police. Why? The Rotherham syndrome – cops follow orders from politicians. Worth noting that far left are usually released and when charged, rarely fined or sentenced. And if it comes to the worse there is a defence fund for pro immigrant demonstrators from Unbound Philanthropy of which Hope not Hate draw £200,000 per year
As for the political source. Look no further than Cameron and May who are relying on the far left for support during the referendum campaign. Got to stand up to nationalist, Nazi bigots.
Someone mentioned Manon. He was probably there, engaging in a bit of rough cottaging in one of the many Brighton public toilets designated for this purpose.
He probably can’t find a Chauffeur Driven BBC pool car!
Sorry about the typo – not compliant with the latest Beeboid campaign.
Replace “he” with “it”.
Manonclaphamomnibus
Here is a little reminder of your ‘mission statement’ that you last posted here……………
March 15, 2015 at 1:09 pm
“I contribute here because I am highly critical of BBC news.However,I am quite surprised by the lack of objectivity and reasoning. Instead of BBC bias all this site appears to be about is a number of individuals reinforcing their own extremely uninformed political outlook.”
I’m not your man on a bus but I’ll give it a go.
I think your breitbart link actually shows the opposite of what you intend. The BBC reporting in that article was very careful to avoid attributing arrests to any group – and is based upon the police press release. The BBC didn’t report that the arrests were among the far right, and this is testament to its journalism.
The police have since released the information about which group the arrests came from and the BBC has since reported this.
‘a police chief has accused anti-fascist protesters of turning up at a demo prepared to attack “any bald men who looked right-wing”….Police arrested 14 anti-fascists after an attack on three bald men’:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-36458632
You’re still better at this than Alan though.
Kikuchiyo
“I’m not your man on a bus……” So why bother telling us ?
Nights again eh ? I know, its a bummer .
Now tell us, where is your Al Beeb Bias ? Do think that Al Beeb is not Biased? or are you just trolling.
A succinct answer would be suffice.
“I’m not your man on a bus……” So why bother telling us ?
Well, you did ask…..’Now ,lets see what the Clapped out busman will say about that ?
I take it you’ve lost interest in the arrests in Brighton now? A succinct answer would be suffice.
Kikuchiyo
Sorry 10 min have expired , your time is up . If you cant answer ………..
You must be a Troll .
End of .
Damn, didn’t realise there was a deadline. I was just on my tea break.
I don’t think my post could be considered ‘inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic’, but appreciate you seem to have redefined the term ‘troll’ to mean anyone who disagrees with you.
To your questions….
‘Now tell us, where is your Al Beeb Bias ?’ – I’m afraid I don’t know what this means. What answer are you expecting? I left it in my sock drawer? It currently resides in my left testicle?
‘Do think that Al Beeb is not Biased?’ – I think it would help to define what you mean…has the BBC ever been found to broadcast something which was biased? Yes. In fact, it occasionally upholds this about itself through its own investigations. It publishes complaint findings (this is an area I think the Blog would be better examining rather than unsubstantiated rants).
If by that you mean, is it regularly, consistently or institutionally biased, and/or on particular subjects? Then No, I don’t.
OT
Has anybody here had a play with Sky’s Eurometer?
I came out as a Nationalist!
Not bad for an Englishman in West Wales (not “little England etc.”) who thinks Plaid/SNP are even more untrustworthy than Kinnoccio.
Number 7, I made the same point above. Sky’s absurd Eurometer said I am a nationalist, which I am not, a tory supporter which I am not and a reader of the Daily Mail, which I am not.
I think it reflects more the teenage views of the dolts who allowed to set the poll before they went back to read the Guardian to see what else Sky news should be doing.
If polls like this wish to be accurate then they ought to have an input to correct the final terms, eg i should be able to change the news paper to the paper I actually read. Then gradually, entry by entry it would become accurate.
Exactly the same for me. My position on their graphs was on the extreme left of their scales for numerous issues. I got my wife to complete the same test, by question 2 she’d declared it bollocks due to the nature of the questions vs the permitted answers.
I remember there being a question that asked ‘Does Europe accept too many refugees?’. The use of ‘refugees’ is completely disingenuous. The question clearly goads the person taking the test to answer it based upon the migrant crisis, but then grades their response on their attitudes to refugees.
I’m guessing it was knocked up by an intern assigning scores based upon their own beliefs/what they thought their bosses might think.
The SKY rig-o-meter also sees the EU as a geographical place of belonging along with your neighbourhood, country and the world.
That alone consigns it to oblivion.
Shwmae rhif saith
Popeth yn iawn ?
Shwmae taffman.
Ie, da iawn diolch.
Lurking without much comment!
Ac chi?
Popeth yn iawn gyda fi.
Diolch.
I watched Andrew Neil interviewing Hilary Benn this evening and I thought A.N. did a very good job; quite a few times he asked the question which (more or less) had occurred to me in response to the Progressive cr@p in which Benn can converse so fluently.
I hope that there were many “traditional Labour voters” watching it and realizing that the party which should be looking out for them and their interests: cares not a fig about them.
It doesn’t think there is a problem with unlimited immigration from the EU (or anywhere else for that matter) and thinks that whatever the downsides are which result from our EU membership; they are a price worth paying.
The unfortunate thing for Hilary et al; is that it is the “traditional Labour voter” who is the one paying the very highest price and they are aware of that and of Labour’s part in it.
There are many journos bleating about the damage this referendum is doing / will do to the Conservative Party.
If the U.K. votes to leave the E.U. despite Labour officially throwing its full weight behind Remain; then it is arguable that, in the light of that misplaced support, they will be even more wounded than the Tories.
I’m looking forward to Nige vs the Moron @ 9pm tomorrow – Ali vs Foreman or Ali vs Dunn?????
Rhif Saith
It all depends if the debate is conducted live and ‘face to face’ . If not it will be carefully edited.
Is it on Al Beeb?
ITV – I’m not holding my breath as to bias/editing.
This Newsnight interview is worth watching to see the ever-woeful Evan Davis interviewing Ann Coulter about Donald Trump’s campaign. It’s good to see an intelligent, funny and gorgeous interviewee (Oh dear, I think I’m in love!) making complete mincemeat of Davis by lampooning his pathetic leftist attempts to discredit her/Trump by bringing up odd-words taken from jokes a decade ago.
Unfortunately, I think the BBC have incorrectly spelt sh*te in their caption.
“Terrorist accident” – that’s a new one.
What , did he blow him self up ?
Terrorist accident reminds me of the time an amateur Iranian terrorist blew his own legs off while attempting to attack the Thai police.
But in fairness, Davis did immediately change ‘accident’ to ‘outrage.’
Coulter wiped the floor with him and then chucked him in the garbage.
Ann is used to dealing with real journalists. Evan Davis just made her laugh. The BBC is officially a joke.
Towards the end of the attempted character assassination, or interview as the body-pierced, leather-wearing Evan Davis would call it, he asked the question:-
“Well what do you think is more creepy, two gay men who love each other getting married or a 69 year old man talking about his daughter”
Well Evan, I can assure you, outside of your metropolitan, liberal, LGBT-loving bubble, if someone had to choose between a man paying his daughter a compliment because she’s a stunner, or two men engaging in oral and anal sex then it’s a no-brainer.
“Lesbian killers who battered two-year-old Liam Fee to death before Googling whether wives can be in prison together ‘have met up in jail for a coffee’ ”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627421/Liam-Fee-killers-met-jail-coffee.html
Maybe Evan Davis could give us his views on these two “loving gay people”
thirdadoption,
Sickos like Evan Davis don’t live in the real world and don’t care about it !
thirdadoption? – give me a chance Grant, I can hardly look after myself.
LOL !,
Early morning and I haven’t had my first cup of tea yet !
> Maybe Evan Davis could give us his views on these two “loving gay people”
So do you think every straight person should be challenged over Fred and Rose West?
69-year-old? I wonder what made him choose that number?
1. Cos he’s a slimewad
2.his probable IQ
Roland,
Maybe it is because the boy Evan is beginning to look the same age. but with a mind trapped in its
teens .
thirdoption, Yes indeed. I use Facebook a lot and see thousands of photos of daughters, grandaughters and nieces looking smart, maybe wearing their graduation outfits, or even on holiday at the beach, People post them there because they are proud of the families they love. I am sure there are pages for people who like cocks in their mouths and up their bums. Or threesome gay shagging in olive oil.
It’s all relative innit?
“Well what do you think is more creepy, two gay men who love each other getting married or a 69 year old man talking about his daughter”
What’s really creepy is he speed that Davis is morphing in to gollum.
Is that why the producer had him sitting in the dark?
RJ
Talking about ‘morphing’,
Notice how the Trolls that ‘pose’ on this site morph into another Troll when they loose the debate .
Some reappear six months or so later .
Indeed taffman, indeed. I would point out their most common habits but it would only make them harder to spot as they would try to mask them – best keep them guessing 🙂
Evan Davis just made her laugh. The BBC is officially a joke.
So true. I’ve been watching a lot of Fox News lately. They post a lot of stuff on YouTube soon after it’s broadcast, such as The Kelly File, O’Reilly Factor, Hannity and Judge Jeanine.
Unlike the BBC, Fox is not scared of giving the opposition a shot at expressing a point of view and so there’ll be plenty Democrats on to do battle with Republicans. There are also many Fox broadcasters who don’t fit the stereotypical right-wing image the shmucks at the BBC would have us regard as true of them.
And Fox people are tough, knowledgeable and keenly competitive. BBC people would not pass an audition for Fox, and that would be simply because of their ignorance and incompetence, left-wing bias aside.
A perfect example of the BBC’s subtle but unarguable bias. An early question to her was asking if she had links to the French National Front. She, of course, denied it and was clearly surprised about the question. He didn’t pursue it any more but the job was done: people will now have in their minds that Anne Coulter is linked to the Front National and Marine Le Pen.
What’s a ‘terrorist accident,’ Evan?
That’s what happens when you take two words out of context Evan. See how it works?
So next time, please discuss the issues not words taken from irreverent jokes.
Where is Nigel Farage ?
Al Beeb and the the media have ‘shut him down’ because they are afraid of him. He knows the European Parliament inside out
People are now getting their info from the internet .
Look for UKIP posts on their website if you love your country .
taffman,
And it is the same with Daniel Hannan. The media , including the BBC, are free to choose who they give prominance to . Since most of the MSM , especially the BBC, are Remainers, you won’t see much of Nigel or Dan or, for that matter, David Davis.
But, at least , Nigel will be on the BBC tonight, armed with the latest news that the EU want billions more from us to pay for the migrant crisis that that has been created by that idiot Merkel. Hopefully the sleazy Dave will get a real drubbing !
Nigel Farage knows the European Parliament inside out? Most of the time he can’t even find his way there.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2015/jun/11/ukip-europe-laziest-party-parliament
Ah yes Jerrod/Marvin/ whomever
The guardian…..that other bastion of truth…….total shitrag
There is not much point in attending when the ” Parliament” simply rubber stamps legislation instigated by the Commission to give it a democratic gloss. Of course the other reason is to collect your expenses and head off to lunch. The whole system is a total charade and and an expensive one at that. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic.
Nigel Farage to a tee.
“Of course the other reason is to collect your expenses and head off to lunch.”
You sure thats not al beeb youre talking about?
Number 6,
LOL ! Nice one ! By the way, does anyone know how attendance at the EU Parliament is recorded ? I am sure it will be as accurate, open and honest as everything else in the EU.
Tee hee.
There seem many videos of Mr. Farage contributing in chamber. Not so many of these other ‘members’.
Err no actually most of the Eu legislation relates to trade and given the EU is a trading organisation it is quite sensible. There is a good explanation on the full fact website.
“given the EU is a trading organisation ”
Are you on crack? The European Union (the clue is in the name) is a political project to unite Europe under a common government, currency and economy. It has established a trading bloc, the Single Market, to facilitate this aim. The EU is not, and has never been, a “trading organisation”.
To Err is human; to open with an ‘er’ is a common trait for another subgroup.
Guest,
LOL !
What exactly does forcing EU member states to take migrants against the wishes of their democratically elected governments have to do with ‘trade’?
Funny, most of the speeches I hear from the EU Parliament, are from him – and jolly inspiring they are, too…
The one where he had Merkel and Hollande squirming was a classic !
There’s one where Mr Farage lays into some Eurocrat big-wig in the EU ‘parliament’ (I’ve forgotten who – Rumpuy possibly) by saying ‘I’m sorry, but who actually ARE you?’
Where have all the trolls gone ?
A good title for a song.
IMHO Al Beeb researchers and their shift officers/controllers are monitoring this site.
GWF has probably got the answer – they’re all in Brighton.
“Someone mentioned Manon. He was probably there, engaging in a bit of rough cottaging in one of the many Brighton public toilets designated for this purpose.”
Dead Line Gone
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36462425
“However, concerns have been expressed that some people, particularly young voters, are being deterred by having to supply their National Insurance number.”
I wonder why, perhaps they don’t have one ? Student illegals ?
All kinds of people have reservations that DWP handle the identity checks. Voter Registration should be free from any sort of fear.
The Department for Work and Pensions have a track record in using other agencies’ ID verification applications to further their own goals. I for one am very unhappy that the information should be used over and above verifying a person’s identity.
Strange. We have to supply our NI numbers to apply for many things .
And previously the DWP didn’t handle ID checks!
How does it make you feel that Theresa May decides whether you can vote or not?
It makes me feel awful that a clown like May decides anything that affects my life.
Anything on Al Beeb about this ?………………………………..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/04/britain-asked-for-more-cash-as-migrant-crisis-strains-eu-budget/
Well that is going to stuff that liar Cameron in tonight’s debate with Nigel !
Just to comment, as many even those in the debate seem to be forgetting.
Vote leave will not be the government if there is an exit vote, that will still be the Tories, who might well be leaderless.
Asking vote leave what will happen post referendum is like asking Romana to gaze into her crystal ball and predict the future.
Why on earth they aren’t saying this I don’t know. If it was me being asked some of the necessarily predictive questions I’d be replying that the giant sky God would come down and touch the EU commission with his magic wand and make everything right, because it’s just about as realistic as any other prediction.
The point is that we just don’t know, and the only guide we have is past performance.
Martyn Lewis yesterday on Radio 4 said much the same, that neither side KNOWS anything about the future, and it’s all guess work.
Why on earth damn fool interviewers keep treating Vote leave & remain as political parties is anyone’s guess
Thoughtful,
Very true. But the BBC have to stick to their agenda. All predictions by Remainers are correct. All predictions by Leavers are wrong.
Apparently Martin Lewis has a piece in todays Times (paywalled) entitled “No Right Answer”, which is probably about right !
Lewis has committed himself to the Innards cause.
I don’t think that’s true. Yesterday he said he was marginally for in, and argued both sides. He didn’t attempt to suggest people should vote one way or another. I found him fair considered, and impartial.
Lewis’s Mrs probably an inner
I think she is responsible for his crazy pro solar/wind subsidies stance when his good maths skills should tell him it’s poor who suffer as their bills/shopping prices go up to cover those subsidies paid to the rich.
– Likewise Greenpeace member SamCam would kick Dave out of bed if he stops the “Green-crap”.
Martyn Lewis is not a politician and is perfectly entitled to his say. And, I`ve heard a lot about him to show him to be sound.
He sounded thoroughly reasonable as he said yesterday that it was 55/45 for staying in…he`s risk averse, he said and I respect that.
But when the BBC try to use him, when the In lot put his name up on top of their literature without his consent?…I`d have thought that the BBC etc would be more careful about who they drag in, and who they don`t.
But not the Beeb-who know doubt will be shaking Roy Jenkins urn around the studio and saying that he`s voting to stay in…
Why on earth damn fool interviewers keep treating Vote leave & remain as political parties is anyone’s guess
My feelings too.
Related to that is why do they never question what, it seems to me, is the only valid reason for staying in the EU, that we are not fit to govern ourselves or that we might not introduce/keep the ‘right’ policies?
I don’t, (of course!), believe it is a good reason but it does have some twisted logic behind it and it is a logic that is totally contrary to having a parliamentary democracy so surely worth challenging.
How is it that over the years we keep trying to ape the Americans in our social policy, (e.g. SATS or confusing the ex-slave citizenry of the USA with ‘our’ free ‘blacks’ who chose to come here or Supreme Courts etc. etc.), without being in a ‘union’? Would a sovereign UK not be able to copy a EU policy if it worked, or, like a child, must we have it imposed on us?