WEEKEND OPEN THREAD…

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  1. Appalled OAP says:

    BBC website, Rotheram relegated to local news page, Saville enquiry buried under entertainment, which they clearly think it is. House paper Guardian treating both stories way down the order, although concerned about increase in attacks on Muslim men in Rotheram, although no evidence provided.

    Both so called news outlets consider some story relating to American elections as the most important subject for today.

    Scrap the licence tax now!

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    • john in cheshire says:

      Rupert Murdoch closed down a newspaper for much less than the bbc have done and allowed to be done over many decades. What punishment have the bbc actually had exacted in them? Nothing, as far as I can determine; it’s just business as usual as though none of the perverted behaviour ever took place.

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    • Guest Who says:

      The BBC ‘Today’s Papers’ will be a hoot…

      http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/feb/26/national-press-rounds-on-the-bbc-calling-savile-report-a-whitewash

      Maybe they can dig up a few publications like the Nurgeltickler’s Bugle from HIGNFY to feature?

      ‘Lord (Tony) Hall, appeared to accept that the crimes carried out over a 40-year period were impossible to defend, so he did not seek to do so’

      And in a style that can only be deemed unique if not vital, this seems to have made the problem… go away.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Yes, A-OAP, I thought that & was pondering on the fact yesterday that on the BBC web-site, one that is well-known for keeping old news going for two or three days as well as duplicating items several times on the one page, the Savile Report disappeared very quickly from the Home Page as well as the main News Page.

      In contrast, BBC R4 have been chewing over it regularly and, in addition, giving Tony Blackburn’s situation some coverage.

      Is a small Civil War breaking out in the BBC?

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  2. embolden says:

    A quick summary of the radio 4 today programme this morning.

    Jimmy Saville, no one knew, Jimmy Saville, no one knew, Jimmy Saville, no one knew.

    Which begs the question posed by Andy Kershaw….how did no one know? He actually used the term “disingenuous” of his managers, and a BBC manager of the time who was interviewed gave the excuse that she “worked on the fourth floor, whilst his producer worked on the third floor so we rarely spoke”, but they had once called Saville in for a chat and his defence that it was all rubbish was accepted without further investigation.

    It is odd how “no one knew” especially as I can remember jokes about Savilles sex life circulating around my school playground in the mid seventies, and comments circulating around the Hospital where my girlfriend worked (that had no connection with Savile) in the late eighties.

    Still the story helps to fix in us all the desired thought…Sexual exploitation of children in the UK…twas ever thus….lets not get too het up about its more recent manifestations eh?

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    • GCooper says:

      It is perfectly clear that the BBC is lying its collective head off over Saville and that the dippy Dame was unable to get to the truth. If she was prevented by her terms of reference, she should have resigned.

      Of course they damn well knew – or at the very least, had strong suspicions. They chose not to act because it suited them to let him get away with his evil.

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    • nofanofpoliticians says:

      Earlier, I tried to search out the Louis Theroux interview of Saville as it was recommended to me a while ago but it seems to be well down the list of videos of people who said they knew years ago.

      Johnny Rotten in this link is just one of a great many.

      There are stacks and stacks of these, all saying much the same thing. How is it that no-one at the top echelons of the BBC knew? What planet do these people exist in?

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      • Number 7 says:

        Try this NFOP.

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      • Grant says:

        Well done , Johnny Rotten. The BBC is a total disgusting national disgrace.

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        • Englands Dreaming says:

          What I find even more hard to understand is why the BBC management turned a blind eye and kept Stuart Hall on the pay role for decades. He was was hardly a “talent” or a big star in the same way Saville was. I can only remember him as the laughing buffoon on Its a Knock Out, cue The Goodies clip.

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          • embolden says:

            Halls football reports (usually on North West clubs) on Saturday afternoons on Sports Report were sublimely funny, full of classical allusions and self parodying flights of hyperbole.

            But that was a maximum of 10 minutes output per week. I always assumed he had a bigger job somewhere on BBC local radio.

            Unlike Saville, he didn`t give me the creeps when I saw or heard him.

            Edited to add, Perhaps the reason “he was kept on the payroll for decades” needs a closer look…did he have some kind of hold over his employer?

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            • Thoughtful says:

              He was semi retired by that stage, he used to present Jeux sans frontiers, (it’s a knockout), and the BBC NW early evening program too.

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            • chrisH says:

              I too liked Stuart Halls sublime football summaries-especially the ones about Manchester Citeh when they were funny!
              Note that Rotten said there were a lot more at it that Sir James…but the incurious Morgan clearly is no braver that that BBC poppet from 1978.

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            • vlad the inhaler says:

              He used to do Look North (West) when I was a kid. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it was said that he had ‘private means’; ie. he didn’t have to work – or at least not much. If true, that could explain why he didn’t do much.

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  3. EnglandExpects says:

    Of course they knew. But they have closed ranks and no- one other than Tony Blackburn will suffer over this. It makes one wonder what all these tiers of management actually did, especially when hierarchy, deference and not communicating were apparently the order of the day. Is it that much different now? A bit but not much is my guess.

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    • Geoff says:

      As I have posted elsewhere: A quote from Terry Wogan when he was interviewed by Jean Rook, she asked him when was Savile going to be exposed? He replied ‘that’s your job’

      Its impossible to believe that Wogan didn’t have the top BBC hierarchy’s ear, so again to say the BBC bosses knew nothing is hard to swallow and now sadly Wogan’s is no longer with us, he must have been interviewed by the Dame, would he too have been sacked like Blackburn, he was also there in 1971, now there’s a conspiracy for you…..

      Why did people like Wogan and Rancid who obviously knew not do anything and if they did why did bosses not react, what were they afraid of, how far does this go?

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      • Trinity says:

        That’s something which makes me deeply suspicious – Esther Rantzen set up Childline, a charity to help abused kids in danger. It seems impossible to me that nobody would have drawn Savile’s behaviour to her and she clearly seems to have done nothing. It’s OK to receive plaudits and recognition for setting up the Charity but obviously not important enough to risk a job and lavish pension scheme for.
        In my view we need to see the likes of Rantzen questioned publicly and under oath.

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  4. Bagley says:

    Last night’s Question Time seemed more balanced than usual, thanks in part to pro-Leave panelist Julia Hartley-Brewer who made the most sense. However, once again on the QT Facebook page, the pro-Remain bias is revealed with two posts made after the show ended – one where “Conservative MP Liz Truss says Britain could face ‘two years of limbo’ if the country leaves the European Union” and the other where “Labour MP Diane Abbott talks about the ‘myths of immigration’”. Subliminally chip-chip-chipping away at the undecided’s subconscious.

    Meanwhile, to echo Appalled OAP, the BBC News website homepage is stark contrast to yesterday in that there’s not a peep on Dame Janet Smith’s inquiry into the BBC’s handling of celebrity paedophilia, nor Tony Blackburn’s sacking. Still, it’s unavoidable in their review of ‘The Papers’, where almost all the rags are making a meal out of the scandal. I wonder if it’s just coincidence that this morning I find the link to The Papers review a bit temperamental, only occasionally loading after a hard refresh. The rest of the website seems fine.

    Oh, and yesterday the BBC News title link for a look at The Papers highlighted the paedo inquiry and even dodgy immigration figures BUT it was only upon visiting the page that the opening paragraph mentioned some of the front pages also highlighted the Rotherham child abuse scandal.

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  5. MrMeggo says:

    bBBC in overdrive. A whole anti-Trump section

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35665575
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35666580
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35666854

    The language just says it all
    “Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio have unleashed a barrage of attacks on front-runner Donald Trump”
    “Five ways Cruz and Rubio double-teamed Trump”
    “‘Trump would probably complain about my tacos'”

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  6. Deborah says:

    I think the Today programme this Friday morning was a bit short of news (well we couldn’t spend too long on the Dame Janet’s report). Apparently a list by Time magazine of women novelists most read by college students (or some such like) included Evelyn Waugh. At 7:40 this morning we had at least 5 minutes interview (or so it felt) with Prof Valentine something or other (a man) who really had very little to say. Has the Today programme really used up all it has to say on Refugees and the Brexit vote that this was so important?

    I have also noticed in the past few weeks and increasing amount of music clips being played on the Today programme – presume it is a new policy. But if I wanted music in the morning I would go to Classic FM – and certainly not the twirp Evans.

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    • Old Goat says:

      I listen to Classic FM every morning, now, and adhering to my New Year’s resolution, never now listen to “Today” at all. I feel a better goat, for it.

      But even Classic is becoming trying, especially Tim Lihoreau, who is systematically turning his slot into something reminiscent of Radio 2/Blue Peter. It doesn’t need to be deadly wall-to-wall seriousness, but a little decorum wouldn’t go amiss. The dumbing down started by the BBC/Channel 4 is beginning to spread.

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  7. MrMeggo says:

    Where’s the HYS on this article. Presumably because it’s not a Remain view comments are not allowed.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35647771

    Some good comments and views from Woodford – BUT NO HYS so we can support the ciew WHY?

    “Leaving the EU would not necessarily damage the UK economy, fund manager Neil Woodford has reiterated.”
    “Mr Woodford argued it was very difficult to build a credible economic argument for the UK either staying in or leaving the union. Rather, the debate was a political argument about issues such as immigration and sovereignty, he said.”
    “A vote to leave could also spark a crisis for the EU project,…”

    And this comment is why Schulz and the rest of the EU want us to stay – it will expose the complete shambles of what’s going on there – as Woodford says “shine a light”

    “ECB chief Mario Draghi is printing money and trying to do his bit, but the macro headwinds are intense and unemployment remains high. It is these problems that a UK exit could shine a brighter light on,”

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Mardell’s segment on Wat0 with a Conservative MP & the joint CEO of DB-SE was interesting. (BBC R4 1-1.45pm)

      Mardell in effect asked “Would our leaving spark a series of recriminations from the EU in order to discourage other member States from seeking their own exit?”

      The clear implication from Mardell was that ‘the EU equals a Prison Camp where escaping prisoners are shot as a deterrent to the remainder’. I wonder if he really intended it to appear that way?

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  8. Pounce says:

    The bBC news and its shoddy reporting:
    Japan population shrinks by one million census confirms
    New census figures in Japan show the population has shrunk by nearly one million in the past five years, in the first decline registered since 1920.

    1920 really?

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  9. Sluff says:

    Anyone notice a disconnect?
    The 1971 internal bBBC documents are so convincing that they have sacked Tony Blackburn because his memory recollection 45 years later did not match them.
    But those documents were shared with management, according to non-bBBC press reports, one of whom, Bill Cotton rose to become MD of television in the 1980s.
    So even if they did not know about Savile (unlikely IMO) they knew of allegations and even if unproven, even if false, you might think they would have at least keep their eyes and ears open. Clearly they did not.
    So our beloved state broadcaster is banged to rights, either for being totally inept, for exhibiting no corporate ethical standards worthy of the name for 40 odd years (remembering they are not slow to have a go at other institutions especially private sector), for lying through their teeth, or for any combination of the above.
    Readers will form their own opinion.

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    • Pounce says:

      All I know is that instead of looking at the paedophile(s) in the room. The bBC instead has pointed its dirty finger at anybody in which to scream ‘Nonce’ in which to get people to look elsewhere. The problem is, they did so at an innocent man.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Indeed. Something (other than Savile) just feels very wrong about this. You don’t sack someone for having a different recollection of something that happened 45 years ago, even if that person’s recollection is shown to be wrong. Tony Blackburn knew of the existence of these documents, so what possible reason could he have to lie about being interviewed rather than say he simply doesn’t recall these interviews?

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      • Appalled OAP says:

        Exactly. If Iwas Lord Hall this is the question I would be asking myself. There appears to be no reason for Tony Blackburn to lie. He could have said he did not remember but instead insists these meetings did not take place. Once more Lord Hall and his hr advisors demonstrate they have not got a clue. I hope Tony Blackburn takes them to court and Hall is forced to pay any compensation out of his own, bulging pocket.

        Scrap the License tax.

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  10. Englands Dreaming says:

    Rotherham Compare and Contrast
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3465306/Teenager-beaten-brothers-d-abused-Rotherham-grooming-gang-age-12.html

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35670538

    The Beeb are usually only too keen to undermine The Police, so why do they not mention the police’s complete failure to uphold the law, even when the crime is committed in front of them.

    It is almost impossible to comprehend the level certain sections of society have sunk to. A police force from outside the area needs to investigate, arrest and prosecute those covering up these obscenities.

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  11. oldartist says:

    I’m not sure which R4 programme I caught this morning, but the message that was being conveyed was that when Saville was perpetrating these horrors they were different times – different social attitudes prevailed. I then caught the beginning of Woman’s Hour in which once again the attention was diverted away from Saville and the BBC. Apparently it was a gender issue. No doubt the BBC will continue along this route as it squirms and wriggles to absolve itself of any responsibility.

    Complete nonsense, of course. I was around at the time and social attitudes might have been different, but there was no sense whatsoever that people would have condoned the abuse of children. Some of Saville’s victims were as young as eight and even included children seriously ill in hospital, for God’s sake. When Jerry Lee Lewis arrived in Britain with his thirteen year old bride it was a huge scandal at the time. Characters like Bill Wyman are being cited as examples as if his exploits were excepted as normal. But they weren’t. People were disgusted.

    Lying and rewriting history seems to be second nature to the BBC.

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  12. Thoughtful says:

    In all the flurry of reporting of the Dame Janet Smith report into the Saville atrocities it’s easy to lose sight of the BBC behaviour in the final years of Savile’s life, when the BBC absolutely knew about him and actively conspired to cover up any allegations by documentary makers.

    “Immediately after Savile’s death, Meirion Jones and Liz Mackean from the BBC programme Newsnight began to investigate reports that he had sexually abused children. ”

    Why did they have to wait until after his death if they had the allegations and reports to hand while he was still alive?

    “The report was scheduled for broadcast on 7 December 2011, but a decision was taken to cancel its transmission”

    “The BBC showed two Savile tributes over the 2011 Christmas period, and it was alleged that the Newsnight report had been dropped because its content would have compromised the showing of the tributes.”

    No senior managers were aware of Saviles proclivities? Well I suppose that all depends on what you define as a senior manager, but to my mind the controller of Radio 1 would constitute a ‘senior’ manager ??

    “Newspaper reports claimed Douglas Muggeridge, controller of Radio 1 in the early 1970s, was aware of allegations against Savile, and asked for a report in 1973”

    “Derek Chinnery, controller of Radio 1 from 1978 to 1985, recalled an occasion when he confronted Savile, saying “I asked, ‘what’s all this, these rumours we hear about you Jimmy?’ And he said, ‘that’s all nonsense’. There was no reason to disbelieve.””

    “Michael Grade told Channel 4 News that during his time at the BBC he had “fleetingly” heard rumours about Savile, but described claims of a cover-up as “ludicrous””

    Grade joined BBC Television in 1984 as Controller of BBC One, Later he became Director of Programmes in 1986, and Managing Director Designate in 1987. His tenure as Controller was rocky.

    Again it depends what your definition of senior is, and also the definition of ‘knowing’ what was going on. If hearing rumours is not enough to satisfy that requirement – and remember that this was a lawyer running the investigation, then pre guilty verdict EVERYTHING is allegation and no one KNOWS anything until a guilty verdict is pronounced. There is after all a presumption of innocence.

    “The BBC said no evidence of allegations of misconduct or actual misconduct by Savile had been found in its files”

    Odd that seeing as Douglas Muggeridge had asked for a report in 1973 !

    Sir Roger Jones, former chairman of Children in Need, the BBC’s annual charity fundraising event to support disadvantaged children and young people, said Savile had been barred from involvement because of rumours about an inappropriate interest in young girls. Savile had appeared on the telethon in 1984, 1987 and 1989 before Jones became chairman.

    Would he be regarded as holding a senior position? If he was aware of the rumours it is utterly inconceivable that BBC top level management hadn’t at least some awareness of the rumours.

    The report by Nick Pollard into the BBC’s handling of the affair was published on 19 December 2012. It criticised George Entwistle for apparently failing to read emails warning him of Savile’s “dark side”.

    I guess if you can say that you don’t read your Emails you don’t know, but that’s no excuse !

    Meirion Jones who first broke the news was terminated from the BBC in February 2015. Liz Mackean, the reporter from the BBC programme Newsnight also involved in the initial report, left the BBC in early 2013, and stated “When the Savile scandal broke, the BBC tried to smear my reputation.” The editor of Panorama that aired the investigation on Savile on 22 October 2012 is now in an administrative position at BBC. Clive Edwards, who as commissioning editor for current affairs oversaw the Panorama documentary, was decommissioned

    If this wasn’t a revenge attack then I don’t know what is.

    I know all this has been discussed at length on these pages, but memories are short, and I believe that these facts prove the Smith review to be, as has been claimed, a whitewash of senior management.

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  13. Destroy-Deny-Degrade-Disrupt says:

    All this doom and gloom, and us cud-chewers impotent in the face of it.

    Let’s have a laugh.

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  14. MrPupps says:

    One for the weekend:

    BBC Completely ‘Forgot’ About Communist Genocide

    http://thecodpiece.com/culture/bbc-completely-forgot-about-communist-genocide/

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  15. Sluff says:

    Here’s one that could be a little tricky for the Al Beeb pro-open door immigrationists to explain away.
    130,000 doctors, engineers, women and children in prosperous Germany have gone missing. Honest.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35667858

    Who would ever have thought such a thing could be possible?

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  16. wronged says:

    And they’re all sat in my doctors waiting surgery, last week it took me two flipping weeks to get an appointment!

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  17. Leha says:

    Al-beeb (persia) meddling in Iranian elections? – perish the thought!

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/02/iran-assembly-of-experts-hashemi-rafsanjani-jannati.html

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  18. deegee says:

    Palestinian Mohammed al-Qiq ending marathon hunger strike From the tone of the piece Israelis the only place on earth which uses administrative detention. A discussion of the UK’s own Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 might well be in order.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Why “marathon” hunger strike? That seems a most peculiar phrase to use. Did he simply refuse any Snickers bars?

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  19. Tothepoint says:

    Multiculturalism has not only failed, it has caused unnecessary deaths, violence, horrific acts of molestation and rape, the destruction of our liberties, our way of life…. The list really is endless. Nothing good at all has come from what has been a vanity project created by lunatic socialists to satisfy their selfish, warped, protected from reality minds from the very start. Not one person was asked if they (the people who put this traitorous [email protected] in charge) wanted this. We never knew it was being forced upon us until it was too late to do anything about it. What we want means nothing to them. Because of the blind and fanatical pursuit of multiculturalism and it’s relentless desire for it not to fail at any costs, the native white population were the ones that had to be contained by law, lied to, abandoned and forced to give up everything they believed in, to accommodate alien and incompatible cultures.
    What happened in Rotherham and continues in every location in Europe that Muslim men are now calling home, was caused by those who pushed for multiculturalism. Every white girl raped, trafficed and beaten with impunity by Muslim men happened because those who championed multiculturalism believed in the continuation of the project over those innocent girls lives. The reports by the BBC that continues to deny what happened and mislead the public on facts and details are because they believe in the continuation of the project over our own safety, our lives, our future.
    Can we to ever trust these people again? Will we ever let them forget what they have done to us? Our politicians have continually lied to us and passed laws to prevent us from fighting back. The BBC have lied to us and have aggressively tried to brainwash the people they are meant to protect. These people only think of themselves and making sure they get what they want. We are nothing to them. Our children, loved ones…. Do we believe that staying in the EU is best for us or them?
    Vote out. Vote Ukip. Bring back capital punishment. Punish every one of these traitorous [email protected] that have tried to destroy the country we love. Things are going to get worse. The BBC, the tories and the vile labour parties are going to make certain of that

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    • Thoughtful says:

      “a vanity project created by lunatic socialists”

      Nearly right, but multiculturalism was created by a Black Marxist professor ironically named ‘Stuart Hall’. When he died two years ago the BBC went into mourning for him (not a surprise).

      He it was who coined one of the BBCs favourite hate terms ‘Thatcherism’ .

      Very little positive or good seems to have emanated from the professor, and an awful lot of harm, hatred, negativity, victim culture, and isms & phobias were released to plague the world.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stuart-hall-godfather-of-multiculturalism-who-coined-the-term-thatcherism-dies-aged-82-9120139.html

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      • wronged says:

        Thoughtful, an interesting piece.

        Stuart Hall was always on a search for black cultural identity,a movable societal feast if ever there was one, I often wonder if he ever found it.

        Did he contribute towards a better society or a did his writings create an fissure which encouraged division and resentment? A bit of resentment from me, i didn’t like then and don’t like now, discrimination at any level, certainly not positive discrimination.
        I remember him appearing on the television highlighting ethnic issues. ‘Black Britain’ rings a bell but without looking it up I’m unsure.

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        • john in cheshire says:

          Non-whites are more racist than whites and that’s one reason why they are so susceptible to marxism; it gives them a justification for all their irrational hatred against whites.

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        • Doublethinker says:

          If he was looking for black cultural identity he ought to have gone to Africa!

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  20. wronged says:

    O/T
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35665738

    ‘A stronger Scotland in a stronger UK’ George Osbourne

    More like a weaker England for the benefit of a strong Scotland.

    So then, a five year fiscal framework has been agreed, it means that the Scottish government will have full control over income tax. My thoughts were centred upon what exactly does this mean for England.

    The Smith commission stated that there should be an agreement based on a no detriment to either side, the main aspects of the Barnett formula have been preserved. This is a formula that Barnett himself said was biased in its fairness towards Scotland, was only meant to be short term measure in order to improve social conditions (mainly Glaswegian housing), and should not be based on any geographical factors. This last point Barnett was very clear about.

    The new agreement means that if the English population rises more as a percentage than the Scottish population the Scottish get more money. As far as I can ascertain the reverse scenario does not count.

    This seems so unfair as it does not include the monies spent by the English on infrastructure projects accommodating the population increase. Geography was a central plank in the discussions between to two parties, thus from what I can see, invalidating the whole Barnett formula.So how could any agreement be reached based on the Barnett formula?

    David Mundell, the Scottish Secretary of State negotiated a deal with the sNP, which included geography in the fiscal framework. No wonder the SNP are happy.

    Many counties in England receive a great deal less funding than Scotland, Devon and Cornwall for example, Yorkshire is another.
    As a people the Scottish receive much more per head than the English. Scotland is not viably self sufficient and is hugely funded via Westminster. Cameron holds the stronger hand against the SNP but he caved in yet again.

    To base our current economic structure on a Barnett formula first introduced in 1977, which is out of date with different societal problems is pure folly. It needs change but governments are frightened of losing Scotland as a part of Britain, We cannot keep pandering to the SNP for fear of their threats. They’re bluff needs to be called.

    I getting a bit sick of Cameron and his acolytes inability to negotiate a deal to England’s benefit.

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    • Destroy-Deny-Degrade-Disrupt says:

      YASSS! Brilliant news mon. Cannae wait tae sup up all that Barnett cash. Running low on groats eh no but.

      Fuckin Inglish numpties get it up ya. Haw haw little Lord Fauntleroy Cameron just keeps oan deliverin.

      Whit?! HOW MUCH OIL they cunts took? Awwwwww nawwwww…

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    • EnglandExpects says:

      Cameron continues to be running scared of the SNP and the fiscal framework is little more than giving in to blackmail. But is the blackmailer so powerful now? The collapse of the oil price has made an independent Scotland a non-starter. In a second independence referendum, I think the No vote would go up compared to the first. If the SNP used an EU out vote to demand this second referendum they would be doubly mad. They would be negotiating to get independence from the UK but presumably keep the pound, only to then negotiate to enter the EU and be forced to adopt the euro. In addition they would lose all those English subsidies which they cannot get from the EU. Given all this, England should start to get much tougher with the Nats. If we don’t then the Scots will keep voting them in both to poke us in the eye and because the SNP are the best at picking our pockets .

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      • wronged says:

        Englandexpects,
        I completely agree, however I sense that Cameron does not want to be the Prime Minister who broke up the union (which he wouldn’t), he lacks the spine to take the Scots on. He lacks a spine full stop.

        He’s already made a gamble on the EU as a result of UKIP pressure which could well backfire as a result of his panicking when he didn’t need to. I’m pleased he did though.

        Cameron is lucky PM serving his time against a very weak opposition, he has never had good judgement and for that reason Englandexpects, your judgement on Scotland is good IMO and his incompetent and completely poor.

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  21. Umbongo says:

    Much as I agree that the senior management – well, much of the junior management as well – of the BBC is shit walking, there is another take on the Savile saga.

    Anna Raccoon has consistently and credibly (not the police’s “credible” when describing “Nick’s” evidence, of course) averred that Jimmy was, although a creep of the first water and certainly a man whose sexual proclivities would make a rhinoceros heave at 100 yards, not the all-purpose ghoul he has been made out to be. She has credibly poured scorn on Meiron Jones’ version of events, not least about what went on (or didn’t go on) at Duncroft School.

    Anyway I would suggest that those in a fit of righteous indignation about Jimmy and the BBC read Anna’s blog. It seems to her (and me) that the hysteria surrounding Savile has been a tad overdone. IMHO, the hoo-hah serves to divert the public’s attention from what I don’t know but, call me Mr Paranoid, I suspect something even worse.

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    • Al Shubtill says:

      Thank you for linking that Umbongo, a very interesting article and blog.

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Yes, thank you Umbongo. She said something on the way about Saville and a generation of disc jockeys who came in to combat the pirates. I have often suspected that these DJs had a special place in the BBC’s heart because they prevented the death of popular BBC culture. Remember the tedious hours of dance music, those boring combos, and endless hours of pretentious discussion of folk music which dominated the radio. The only alternative was the ever fading and rising sound quality of Radio Luxembourg and its weekly Top Twenty.
        And then came the pirates, Radio Caroline and others blasting out rock and pop, with chatty young men with mid Atlantic voices. Saville and his ilk, assisted by the law, replaced the pirates and saved popular radio from well deserved extinction.

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        • GCooper says:

          Most of those DJs were former ‘pirates’ themselves, recruited by the BBC when the Labour government forced the pirates out of business.

          I’ve always enjoyed the irony that Tony Benn, an icon for ‘yoof’, was the man who, as Postmaster General, was directly behind the closure of the radio stations they loved.

          No doubt they have been told it was ‘Fatcha’ wot dun it.

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          • Rob in Cheshire says:

            In the film “The Boat that Rocked” the politician who shut down the pirates was portrayed as a crusty reactionary. For some reason Wedgie Benn was completely airbrushed out of the story.

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        • john in cheshire says:

          I grew up with radio Caroline. When I was even younger I remember listening to radio luxembourg, in bed under covers with an ear piece so my parents couldn’t hear me. Then that awful day came when radio one was spawned. They were exciting times for us kids, the music never stopped and it all seemed to be so wonderful, despite the bbc and the government interference. I don’t really remember Tony Blackburn until years later but Kenny Everett will stay with me forever, even after the sodding bbc sacked him for making a joke about the transport minister’s wife passing her driving test. I was having a bath when I heard that. It’s still funny and probably has more truth than the shits in power would like us to know. Long live Kenny, death to the bbc.

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  22. Thoughtful says:

    Costs from the Dame Janet Smith Review and GoodCorporation Review of BBC child protection and whistleblowing policies can be found below.

    Breakdown of costs:
    Reed Smith (fees and disbursements): £5.4m
    Dame Janet Smith and Dame Linda Dobbs: £724,000
    BBC Costs: £405,000
    Witness Legal Costs: £6,000

    Total costs: £6.5m*

    The total payments made to survivors of Jimmy Savile, as part of the Savile Compensation Scheme, can be found below.

    The terms of the Scheme were agreed with lawyers for the survivors of Savile, the NHS and the Savile estate in February 2014.

    Forty four claims were received, 36 were settled and eight were rejected.

    A total of £907,000 has been paid out.

    This includes:
    £526,000 for damages
    £381,000 for legal fees

    The window for bringing a claim under the Scheme has now closed.

    In other words the average pay out was a paltry £14611, disgusting given the amount the ‘great & the good’ have made out of the affair.

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    • Destroy-Deny-Degrade-Disrupt says:

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         15 likes

  23. chrisH says:

    Found this site thanks to Gates of Vienna.
    Seems to be a Pegida site in Germany that puts Judaism at its heart-and we here might need to know how skewed and weird the worst of New Europe can still be, over acknowledging its own anti-Semitism in past decades-so the East European perspective and a staunch placing of Judaism at the heart of what we do can`t do any harm…and may yet be the key, seeing that Jesus himself says that “salvation is of the Jews”..and He would know( Jn 4.22)
    http://jewgida.blogspot.co.uk/

       12 likes

    • john in cheshire says:

      ChrisH, well said. Jesus has saved us if we want his salvation but I think the poor Jews will as usual have to bear the brunt of satan’s violence before our Lord returns to lead those whose names are written in the book of life into heaven. The good news is that in the end we win.

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  24. Al Shubtill says:

    I don’t know if anyone else heard the incredibly ill judged tone of Mike Read when interviewed on the Jeremy Swine Show today; it was truly cringeworthy, he appeared to have completely misread how he needed to respond to the questions put to him about Savile and the dubious conduct around TOTP.

       14 likes

    • chrisH says:

      Supports UKIP though!
      Witness his cringing UKIP calypso last year…a talentless failed pop tart like Tony Blackburn!
      But-seeing as he supported UKIP, imagine he`ll be getting those panto bids in asap..before Plod picks him off.
      Hoping Brian Matthew is on tomorrow as well….

         13 likes

      • Geoff says:

        Read mysteriously disappeared from BBC Berkshire at about the same time as the UKIP calypso, so maybe he couldn’t care less.

        I can’t help but feel that its a little convenient for the BBC that Wogan passed, would they have done a Blackburn on him? What did he know?

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  25. KafirHarbi says:

    Times Online headline tonight: ‘Rotherham sex-grooming brothers jailed for 79 years’. BBC News website? ‘Osborne warns of further spending cuts’. . .

       15 likes

    • Al Shubtill says:

      The irony is that this scum won’t be “jailed for 79 years”, they’ll probably only serve a third of that; in fact I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t try and appeal against their sentences when the dust settles as they are some of the longest for this type of crime.

      I also saw a Muslim propagandist criticizing the proposal to strip those convicted of these crimes of their British citizenship and deport them to Pakistan, if they are hold dual nationality of both countries; he claimed it was “racist”.

      The issue of race in relation to this type of crime is secondary to that of religion; in the U.K. it is carried out against indigenous, young females by mainly Pakistani MUSLIM men (though not exclusively as the Oxford and Bristol cases illustrated); in Holland it is carried out by Moroccan MUSLIM men; in France Algerian MUSLIM men; in Germany Turkish MUSLIM men (but this is changing due to the good Frau’s recent importations); in Sweden and Norway it is carried out by Somalian MUSLIM men; in Australia it is conducted by gangs of Lebanese MUSLIM men; in India it is committed by Indian MUSLIM men against kafir Indian women etc etc.

      This is something that Muslims themselves try and obfuscate, they accuse those Muslims who are convicted here of “racism’ against white girls; because they would rather people believed that was the cause (a few “racist” bad apples) and not the fact that it is because the religion they ALL follow has created an aggregation of deviant sexual behaviour that has occurred everywhere there are Muslim males and that it has done so ever since Islam’s very inception.

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  26. Thoughtful says:

    Hampshire school calls police after pupil looks at UKIP website

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-35671519

    Maybe a little late but they got there in the end !

       23 likes

    • Geoff says:

      Unbelievable, no doubt the teacher was some twatty lefty, common purpose, sandal wearing, short haired lesbian, the same type that would set ‘imagine you’re a Muslim homework’ al la Thacker…

      Maybe the BBC knows something we don’t, that report claims UKIP have 22 MPs…

         44 likes

      • john in cheshire says:

        Whoever called the cops, you wouldn’t want your kids to be anywhere near them, would you. In fact the cops who didn’t give the school staff a bollocking for wasting police time should also be looking for another job.

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        • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

          I think this should not be dismissed as a one off. How widespread is the practice of censoring, spying, and informing? Is there any way of finding out? Does anybody know someone in the education sector (who is not brainwashed lefty) that can do a bit of counter-snooping and tell us?
          Any school or government body that treats Ukip as an extremist organisation needs to be exposed!
          How many people have been killed by Ukip?

          I sincerely hope that this incident is not left to die. I wonder if it will get the cover by the MSM that ‘Clockboy’ got?

          Someone with some clout needs to follow this up in a big way.

             29 likes

    • Englands Dreaming says:

      A good excuse for the Beeb to subtly equate UKIP = Extremists

         17 likes

      • G.W.F. says:

        Blame for the UKIP boy’s treatment by the school must be equally shared by the cops, teachers, and government. Teresa May has shot her mouth off about combating extremism and it should be clear that extremism from Islam is quite low down on her list. Most teachers will have already attended seminars on how to recognize and report extremism, and these teachers have probably done what they were told to do.

        Universities at this moment are running their staff through seminars on combating extremism and I can assure you that the majority of left and muslim funded departments are drawing attention to ‘far right’ (UKIP??) extremism and the backlash against muslims.

        The buck stops with appeasing Teresa and the Government.

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  27. Philip_2 says:

    Amongst all the problems facing the BBC – and its not just the latest on BBC Saville sex perversions and BBC denial Rotherham sex scandals but Scotland (also hates the BBC propaganda and is starting it own Scottish NEWS channel called STV). A recent census confirms that Scotland is just as euro skeptic as England. And this is reported in BBC mothership THE GUARDIAN newspaper. Oh dear! More BBC propaganda needed up North on the joys of joining the Euro.
    “It shows that 60% of people in Scotland can also be classified as Eurosceptic, just five points below the figure for Britain as a whole and higher than recorded by any previous Scottish Social Attitudes survey. It appears that the mood for a looser relationship with the EU is pervasive throughout Britain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/24/euroscepticism-scotland-record-high

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  28. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”George Osborne warns of further spending cuts in Budget””

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35672158

    But leaving the EU would save £50m every day. See the following links:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8911689/EU-costs-Britain-50m-a-day-Ukip-claims.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065462/Were-paying-50m-day-EU-Britains-contribution-Brussels-rises-18-5bn.html

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4948/what_is_the_eu_s_true_cost

    Shouldn’t the BBC publicise this fact? Leaving would save cutz.

    Oh no, of course not. The Biased BBC support the EU at every opportunity.

    ..

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    • Philip_2 says:

      Its not just the BBC. Its who they work for. The corporate globalists (such as Goldman Sachs) are endemic corporate EU raiders and ‘sponsorships’ and ‘consultations’ the question is ‘why they should sponsor a socialist anti business regime that has not had its Euro accounts approved for over 25 years and has a failing currency. Here is the partial answer.. BREXIT magazine editorial from BETTER OFF OUT this February).

      ‘After years of backing the cause of British Euro fanaticism, Goldman Sachs made the leap in January into funding the BSE (‘Britain Stronger In Europe’) campaign by pledging the donation of a “substantial six figure sum”. UKIP’s Nigel Farage described the donation as “the unholy alliance of big banks and big politics”….

      ‘Goldman is synonymous with the short-termist greed that pervaded the fat cats of the banking industry before the crash. Why might it support the EU?’…’“Goldman Sachs’ former lobby register entry made it look like a bit[-part] player. In fact it has been active in EU lobbying for years, with access to the Commission that other lobbyists could only dream of.”…. ‘The bank has form in profiting from the EU’s profligacy. For instance, it made complex financial deals with the Greek government in 2001 that allowed Greece’s entry into the Euro, even though the country’s economy was clearly unsuited to being part of the single currency club. The bank is reported to have made $500 million from the advice, which disguised the extent of Greece’s debts.’…’Why wouldn’t the EU go after Goldman?

      Might it have something to do with the fact that Mario Draghi, President of the European Central Bank (ECB), worked for Goldman between 2002 and 2005? The link between the bank and Eurocrats is alarming. As well as counting our own Mark Carney as an ex-employee, Goldman alumni also include Petros Christodoulou, who managed Greece’s debt management quango; Mario Monti, the technocrat appointed as Italian prime minister after the EU deposed the democratically elected government; Antonio Borges, the former European chief of the IMF; and Otmar Issing, former board member of the ECB’.

      ‘There is a reason that Rolling Stone magazine in 2010 described Goldman Sachs as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money”. Much like the EU, it sticks its nose in where it is not wanted and uses its cosy relationships to take money from unsuspecting, gullible sources’.

      Enter Cameron and the cosy monopoly of the EU protectionist racket. Who says you cannot make money from dozy socialist EU governments? The recent list Cameron arranged on ‘big business’ such as Stuart Rose from his failures at M&S are forgotten. Few benefit from this EU racket. BBC is one of them .

         18 likes

      • GCooper says:

        I have to say that I don’t agree with Rolling Stone on much, but on this occasion…

        The question that always occurs to me is if GS and the others are so smart, how did the last crash happen without them foreseeing it?

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        • Aerfen says:

          They benefitted from it GCooper.
          http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-09-12/how-goldman-sachs-made-money-mid-crisis

          Goldman followed a strategy that Broderick and others began to design in the second half of 2006, when they made a huge bet (the firm prefers the term “hedge”) that the mortgage market would collapse. As a result, Goldman had its most profitable year to date in 2007, earning $17.6 billion pretax, including $4 billion from the hedge. In 2009, with most of its competition anesthetized, Goldman did even better, earning almost $20 billion pretax.</blockquote

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        • Aerfen says:

          They benefitted from it GCooper.
          http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-09-12/how-goldman-sachs-made-money-mid-crisis

          Goldman followed a strategy that Broderick and others began to design in the second half of 2006, when they made a huge bet (the firm prefers the term “hedge”) that the mortgage market would collapse. As a result, Goldman had its most profitable year to date in 2007, earning $17.6 billion pretax, including $4 billion from the hedge. In 2009, with most of its competition anesthetized, Goldman did even better, earning almost $20 billion pretax.

             0 likes

        • Sluff says:

          “If you can look into the seeds of time and say which will grow and which will not, speak….”
          Will S, Stratford.

             1 likes

      • Al Shubtill says:

        The vile Peter Sutherland was a director on one of Golman Sachs’ boards; Goldman Sachs – “the great vampire octopus”.

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  29. Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

    Have any of you completed today’s YouGov online poll? This is said to have been commissioned by their clients and contained a number of biased questions starting with “do you trust the future of the BBC to be secure in this government’s Charter review?”. Further questions included “rank in order of trustworthiness … the BBC/ social media/ your hairdresser/ a man in the pub/ Mystic Meg/ etc”.
    Any guesses which ‘client’ would that be, spending our money on such a survey?

       21 likes

    • GCooper says:

      YouGov is deeply suspect – just look at who owns it! My answers speedily ensured that I was no longer wanted for most surveys… which is curious as I read somewhere recently that I should be in one of their prime target groups.

      It is no mystery to me that they so failed so utterly in predicting the results of the last election!

         28 likes

      • Doublethinker says:

        I have also been dropped from YouGov surveys, presumably for the same reasons that you have.

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        • GCooper says:

          Interestingly, I have a friend in the USA who signed-up to the American version and had a similar experience.

          She, like me, seems only to receive questionnaires about soap powders these days.

          Given the risible failure of the polls at the last election (and on other occasions) I am starting to think their real purpose isn’t to predict the vote but to influence it. ‘Oh, well.. if most people are going to vote X there’s no point my trudging out in the rain to vote Y’.

          As such I think there is a very good case for banning them during the pre-election period, as some other countries do.

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  30. GCooper says:

    Headline from the Telegraph:

    “EU referendum: BBC is already failing its impartiality test claims Tory MP Andrew Bridgen”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12175189/EU-referendum-BBC-is-already-failing-its-impartiality-test-claims-Tory-MP-Andrew-Bridgen.html

    Some of them finally get there.

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  31. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Adam Johnson trial: Player groomed girl ‘in purest form'””

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35671189

    The BBC never follows to such an extent a ‘Pakistani Heritage’ trial concerning the far more serious, long term and extensive abuse of underage white British girls by a gang. Why not?

    ..

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  32. taffman says:

    Here is a really difficult question aimed at ‘Zero’, and I mean only ‘Zero’………………………

    What has Al Beeb and FIFA got in common ?
    I pose this question to ‘Zero’ as he cannot answer my other difficult question, ‘Why are you posting on this site’ ?
    Over to you Zero …………………………..

       13 likes

  33. taffman says:

    What has the membership of EU done for our economy ?
    For every £2 we give the EU they give us a £1 back (but they tell us how to spend it). Now Mr Osborne what we could do with the money.

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  34. embolden says:

    Sad to hear about the deaths of 3 young British tourists in Vietnam. It seems they may have fallen into a waterfall whilst climbing around it with an “unofficial” guide.

    The BBC news reporter tried to give a politically correct analysis of the ill health and high risk culture in places we used to call “out East”. Places our fathers and grandfathers who had had experience of warned us about.

    We may sometimes chafe under elf and safety in the UK but some of our young people appear to have swallowed the line that “all cultures are the same” and believe that care over health and safety and people watching your back is a global phenomenon…it quite clearly isn’t. As our reporter from Vietnam tried gamely to flag up without transgressing any globalist, race or culture agenda.

    I’ll do it for him, “out East” people look after self, family and tribal group first, after those, they take a pretty fatalistic view. Lives are cheaper, foreign lives particularly so. This used to be common (lifesaving) knowledge.

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  35. Edited Highlights says:

    “But does it worry you that American democracy, the democratic process, can produce Trump at this stage, with this amount of support?” – David Dimblebore to Justine Greening BBC Question Time. An extraordinary comment!

    I do hope Trump wins – and that he goes all the way to the White House, makes America Great Again, and builds the wall, just to see and hear the reaction of the champagne socialist liberal left-wing twitterati so very well represented every Thursday on QT.

       63 likes

    • Tothepoint says:

      Completely agree.

      When the US has the economic growth and genuine social enrichment the Al Beeb and scumbag left can only dream of, it will be hilarious to see the ‘guardians of humanity and moral high ground’ trying to preach that it’s not all about money and making the privileged few happy but the whole world.. Blah blah bullshit.
      It will destroy the Al Beeb jihadi brigade with the knowledge that the world CAN and WILL succeed in other ways than their warped views. Even more sickening to them will be the political landscape will change forever all over the western world, as the rest of the population realise they have been mislead and lied to this entire time.

      Interesting times ahead and once again our brothers and sisters in the US are here to save us it seems

         26 likes

    • john in cheshire says:

      And that he refuses to give any interviews to the bbc.

         7 likes

  36. EnglandExpects says:

    There was a total lack of balanced coverage about CND on the Today Programme this morning. A former US Defense secretary,who described how close the world had come to nuclear war, was interviewed. I’m not sure he would have agreed to the context in which his words were used. Pitched against this recording was a live interview with that well known expert on international relations and geopolitics, Lianne Wood. In her lilting Rhondda tones we heard that homes and social spending were better forms of security than Trident. Moreover Trident had never deterred small conventional wars she told us. What profound, perhaps wilful ignorance about the purposes of the nuclear deterrent! Vladimir please note that if we build more houses your expansionary ambitions will be foiled.
    An hour later CND get more coverage. A callow young girl about to board a bus to the demo repeats Welsh Lianne’s inanities. This is after hearing a sensible reasoned interview with John Hutton. Only one of four interviews that make any sense in terms of the specifics of Trident renewal. The callow girl was allowed a rejoinder. She clearly didn’t know who John Hutton was but was ‘ not convinced’ by him. Thank the Lord that we don’t rely on the BBC to defend us.

       34 likes

    • Umbongo says:

      Yes what a wonderful advertisement for today’s demo in London. Anyone normal had no idea the loonies were going to tie up London’s traffic today so the BBC has obligingly enabled scores of lefties to join the hundreds of marchers. Doubtless later the BBC’s camera angles will be tortured for the impartial coverage of this event to convey the impression of countless millions walking along Whitehall (?) demanding nuclear disarmament.

      I noted with interest that “Amy”, who as EE notes was interviewed twice and given the last word on Today, is a 28-year old who claims to have been mobilised by the Tory general election victory. I suspect that she has been on the BBC speed-dial for some time and/or she was put forward by the organisers of this shitfest at the request of the BBC. After all, vox-pop fluency as demonstrated by Amy rarely happens by accident. Luckily for Amy her interviews were not interrupted nor met with contrary opinion a la the talk with John Hutton. To the contrary, Amy’s opinions were sacrosanct: who could or would doubt the truth of the Book of Corbyn?

         29 likes

    • johnnythefish says:

      In her lilting Rhondda tones we heard that homes and social spending were better forms of security than Trident.

      Trident and social spending offer different kinds of ‘security’, methinks. But don’t let that get in the way of you expressing your ignorance, Leanne.

         14 likes

  37. Peter Grimes says:

    Just caught the tail end of Justin Webb giving an easy ride to the former producer of ‘Jim’ll Fix It’.

    Pure whitewash and three monkeys of course!

       28 likes

    • chrisH says:

      I too heard this one.
      This was Uncle Roger who can no longer flick the towel around the kiddies changing rooms now-and can`t tell the childminder that he used to stool up Saviles Gavels!
      Poor Rog-but after Uncle Ted, Uncle Mac and Uncle Jimmy Himself…seems to me that Auntie was putting herself about a bit in those crazy 70s.
      Best bit for me was Uncle Justin ponderously giving us a “clarification” from Andy Kershaw apropos to some stuff he said yesterday.
      Andy of course has had his “moments” on the Isle of Man-so we can`t REALLY believe what Peels Peeler said now can we listeners?
      And his sister Liz is ALSO a bit of a handful, so blood will out, they`re no better than they ought to be etc…
      Great stuff, and Andy was talking out of his hat…and Justin cites the “Pollard Enquiry”( Hi Di Hi!) to confirm-ooh, for the fifth time now-that the BBC were great, knew Jimmy was a wrong`un but the 10p wouldn`t go into the coin slot when they tried to ring Shaw Taylor.
      Is anyone counting these enquiries?…and Justins “London Calling” voice to clarify the wilder shores of the Kershaw clan was worth the listening.
      Rats and ferrets in a sack after elocution lessons?…sounds spiffing to me!

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  38. AsISeeIt says:

    “I hate to say it, but it’s mostly young men….”

    Was that someone on the BBC telling us the truth about the European Migrant Crisis?

    No, of course not. It was what the BBC likes to term a ‘Campaigner’ – an apparently affable woman and one with an accent that for once did not scream trustafarian fresh outtayuni. However, despite her apologetic ‘I hate to say it’ we the viewer were left in little doubt that said campaigner was pretty excited about her opportunity to name and shame the target male grouping.

    My objection to this item in the BBC news is centred on the way the modern BBC seems to have a prime directive to properly (in THEIR opinions) socialise society. In the same way that State eductation has put learning on the back burner and now prioritises social conditioning the BBC frequently delivers smug self-righteous parables and message-laden morality plays.

    Bring back news, information, sport, drama and entertainment, I say.

    The issue this morning is drink-driving. A father has released CCTV coverage of the running down of his daughter by a drunk driver. (It is what she would have wanted – apparently). And yet the approving unquestioning BBC says ‘We won’t show it all’
    In other words ‘yes I smoked pot, but I didn’t actually inhale’.

    Anyway the young chap responsible for the accident is pilloried on tv. (He’s safely white and with an English-sounding name – so no harm done there).

    Oh by the way, I switched on the tv just before 8am and caught the back end of BBC Newswatch – talk about hide it away in the schedules.

       22 likes

    • Geoff says:

      The drink drive story led Points West last night, of course no one wishes that on any father\family but why is it the victims are always ‘angels’ or have a wonderful future ahead of them?

      I detest the BBC for showing families in grief, what individual wants to go on TV and make public their grief for some cause célèbre, what happened to the good old British stiff upper lip and grieving in private? it’s no wonder we’re all so f’ing miserable, getting out of bed and walking downstairs is a risk, we’re dying from the moment we’re born!

         29 likes

      • Steve Jones says:

        On occasion the BBC finds it extremely difficult to find anything nice to say about certain young males whose poor choice of companionship has resulted in early demise. The coded phrase ‘promising footballer’ will be familiar.

           18 likes

      • BRISSLES says:

        Geoff….. to all parents their kids don’t have ‘issues’ or a wicked bone in their body – even though the neighbours up the street could tell a different story. I agree, the victim are ALWAYS paragons of virtue and the most popular boy/girl in the class. er really ?

        There is no stiff upper lip anymore, we’ve become like those in hot countries who wail and weep in public, create shrines of flowers at accident spots, and sit with a sad expression on the sofa holding the ubiquitous framed photo for the cameras. God spare us ! sad though it is for those families, I really don’t want to share in their grief, so switch over. If I’m honest the one thing that’s guaranteed to get my tear ducts going are the images of animals who have been severely abused, they cant cry for help.

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  39. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”UK EU exit would be global economy ‘shock’ “”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35677385

    This appears from other sources to be an ‘engineered’ report from Osborne to support the Remain campaign. If so, this must be exposed for what it is.

    “” It appears that Britain appears to have persuaded the Group of 20 leading economies to included a warning about the risks of a Brexit, The Financial Times reports, adding that a leaked copy includes a section of “downside risks and vulnerabilities” in the global economy which mentions “the shock of a potential UK exit from the EU”.””

    http://www.ft.com/home/uk

    http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/world/62657/g20_set_to_warn_against_brexit_uks_departure_could_shock_world_economy#.VtGEEuYjG9U

    ..

       21 likes

    • NameNotNumber says:

      Are Nigel Farage and UKIPers going to be held responsible for the forthcoming global economic slump then? I thought we were just ‘fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists’.

         24 likes

  40. Sluff says:

    I recorded the bBBc 6pm news last week to get the Flying Scotsman coverage.
    So this morning finally got round to watching it and made the following record of all the stories.
    Savile- 12 min
    Nett migration at 300k+ (subtext, government misses target) 3 min 3 sec
    Ofcom broadband 2 min 25 s
    ‘Brief look’ Alton towers, care home workers jailed, omagh bombing 1m 03 s
    Migration to Europe through Greece 2m 27 s
    Flying scotsman 2m 25 s
    Afghan boy gets Argentina shirt from Messi 40 s

    So a typical day, with three multiculti/immigratiom stories.

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  41. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Migrant crisis: Why Europe is in a ‘Scream’ “”
    Katya Adler Europe editor

    “”….the anguish you see on the faces of recently arrived refugees in Greece, fleeing the horror of near-death experiences, under bombardment at home and at sea in the Mediterranean””

    “”As things stand, Mr Tusk and his colleagues fear the reports and images of the migrant crisis from Lesbos to Munich to Calais could well send hitherto undecided voters screaming towards the door marked EXIT on EU membership”” (sounds biased towards membership to me)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35675223

    Note the biased photos of children. The BBC Always show the emotive images to support it’s Biased Left Wing view on immigration. Let them all in!!

    Has Bob Geldof taken in a Syrian family yet? He did promise the world that he would. He is a generous and honest chap after all. And worth £30m.

    ..

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    • Colboysigma says:

      I would love to know if Saint Geldof took a Syrian family in! Where did he get the money by the way? Can’t be from Boomtown Rats record sales! (Pseudo Punk).

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  42. Fire and Ice says:

    I can’t take BBC News today. The relentless bludgeoning of the viewing public around the head the “Brexit will cause global shock according to the finance ministers of the G20” headline is criminal. BBC cannot even begin to pretend to be impartial on the EU Referendum.

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  43. johnnythefish says:

    ‘How Earth Made Us’ BBC4, 7pm tonight.

    Having documented the planetary forces that have shaped the development of civilisations, Iain Stewart discovers how this relationship has been reciprocated. He examines how the advent of farming prevented the world from slipping into a new ice age….

    The mind boggles.

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    • Steve Jones says:

      Iain Stewart is another celebrity scientist presenter happy to jet around the world finding ever more exotic filming locations from which to preach the global warming message. Hypocrite.

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      • chrisH says:

        Nurse-The Screens!
        This morning I woke to the news that Sir Paul Nurse was STILL fussed over the funding for his quacks in the Russell Group, were we thickies to vote to leave the EU.
        Poor lad can get no sleep because he was on TODAY as well as yesterday to tell us-yet again-that The UEA won`t be able to buy the pipe cleaners and finger paints to “do research” on the earths boiling up beneath our tootsies…
        As we know-the EU is obsessed with Climate Change Science, Book Cookery and Creative Arts in Accountancy…it`s ludicrous Ariane Rocket, the likes of old Pillinger and the usual Erasmus bollocks that is funded by Grenoble Poly or Toulouse College. In short-their science is biz….they even forgot to stick the magnets onto the Hadron properly so we`re talking Johnny Balls and not Jon Miller( the boffin on How, as opposed to dopey Fred Dineage!).
        No-if we leave the EU, we might create our Watsons and Cricks, our Berners Lees and Dysons,,,who ALSO wants us to leave.
        And if that means we lose the BMA shills, National Matrons, Slingos and Harrabins…well maybe the buggers could teach ricin studies to the vulnerable students of the EU who are studying at Calais College for the moment.
        Paul Nurse?…., more like a State Rolled Toady for the EU…who ELSE would pay for his global gloop re weather and bugs?
        Bunty James…now THAT was a real scientist, and unfunded by the Foreign Fleecers of Frankfurt!

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        • Steve Jones says:

          That mention of HOW! makes me very nostalgic. A great children’s programme that celebrated the simple joy of learning things. It even had Jack Hargreaves smoking a pipe!
          As for Paul Nurse, a Marxist pseudo-scientist who has trashed the reputation of The Royal Society (although to be fair he was continuing the work of some of his more recent predecessors) with his devotion to climate astrology. Here is what Wikipedia says about the RS’s motto:
          ‘The society’s motto, Nullius in verba, is Latin for “Take nobody’s word for it”. It was adopted to signify the fellows’ determination to establish facts via experiments and comes from Horace’s Epistles, where he compares himself to a gladiator who, having retired, is free from control.’
          How things have changed, for the worse, since.

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  44. G.W.F. says:

    Perhaps if Trump was gay he would make it with the BBC.

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    • Dave S says:

      The marxist liberals and even the majority of those might be called more conservative commentators ( see the article today in the Mail by Hastings) have what is looking to become an obssessional hatred of Trump and by implication his supporters.
      Now this is both illogical and dangerous. If Donald Trump becomes President then Europe will need to stay on good terms with the USA. It always seems to me that the USA is on the verge of retreating into isolation and concentrating on it’s own continent.
      Without the US Europe is defenceless. It has lost the will and no longer has the means to defend itself against even a middling power. Shall we say Turkey for instance in alliance with Iran.
      I am not talking about GB. We still have some power although reduced and the sea.
      Exactly why they hate Trump so much is beyond reason and beyond me. If Europe ,and Trump hatred seems a Europe wide phenomenon , really fouls up it’s relationship with the USA then that is it. One or two generations at the most and Western Europe will definitely be part of a Islamic empire. Our future will be uncertain.

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      • GCooper says:

        Hastings is a false flag operative. Though a former editor of the Telegraph, as well as being an idiot (and proved wrong on so many occasions) he really is no one’s idea of a proper conservative. He seems to have no better understanding of the US than most of his fellow UK hacks, despite his proud boast of having covered US elections since 1968. That’s an awful lot of time in which to have learned nothing.

        Offered more of the same or more of the same, Americans have grabbed a wild card. That is all there is to know. Shame Hastings can’t understand why and how much Clinton is hated. That alone tells you all you need to know about him.

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Dave S. Yes, Trump is scaring them. Obama was seen to be apologizing for the wrongs of capitalist USA who created wars and stole the oil from the oppressed Moslem people. Obama fitted nicely with the European Marxist left. Now Trump asserts US values, and is aware that the US does not need Arab oil, and can re-emerge as an oil producing world power. This scares the left. And the anti-Trump lefties are playing the race card against him, without realizing that black Americans do not fit the blacks are victims narrative.

        I have been following the Black Tea Patriots, Conservatives of Color, Rocky Mountain Black Conservatives
        and numerous other black supporters of Trump. You won’t get this on the BBC or in any European news source.

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  45. Steve Jones says:

    Given the number of BBC employees involved in the various scandals that have come to light since the Jimmy Saville debacle, I think it is fair to say that the BBC was (is?), in effect, one of the UK’s biggest paedophile rings. Something in this article about Tony Blackburn caught my eye:
    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bbc-bosses-told-tony-blackburn-resign-or-we-will-sack-you/ar-BBq4t72?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=ue01dhp
    and it was this,
    ‘He was quizzed again over suggestions he was interviewed 45 years ago over claims linking him to the suicide of a 15-year-old Top of the Pops dancer…’
    A 15 year old Top of the Pops dancer; am I reading this right? Do they mean that the BBC employed 15 year old girls as dancers? I hope what is meant is that she was a member of the audience.

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  46. Nibor says:

    ” I don’t know why you’re applauding its Jeremy he’ having a go at ” I paraphrase what was said on Any Questions .

    The people applauding were the audience and the aggrieved was Labour MP Lucy interruptus .

    It shows that Labour thinks the audience should be left wing .

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  47. G.W.F. says:

    Drip, drip, it’s a flood. BBC has gone into full propaganda on staying in. Hope a couple of Tory exiters will mention it. Come on Winteringbum, do you have anything to say?

    Science will suffer, says BBC scientist if we exit.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment

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  48. NISA says:

    Sir Paul Nurse getting over-excited about the affect on scientific research of possible Brexit on this morning’s “Today” programme “We are too small to be effective. We are too small” Now the BBC is headlining that Brexit would be a global shock. How so when we are so insignificant?

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  49. BRISSLES says:

    I wondered how old this Nurse chap was, until I checked on Google – same age as me. So clearly would have voted in the 1975 election. Hmmmm….. “too small to be effective” eh ? how does he think we bloody survived before then ? I imagine he had a good education, work was plentiful with a choice of jobs, controlled immigration, NHS was mainly staffed by white British, and 2 weeks in Ibiza could be had for £32 on a Clarksons pink/green/blue plane !! Managed pretty well then didn’t we. To listen to these idiots talk, anyone would think we lived in the dark ages before Europe, and communicated with a couple of tin cans and a length of string !!

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