411 Responses to WEEKEND OPEN THREAD…

  1. Cassandra says:

    Haven’t seen any reports of the ‘Reclaim Australia’ demonstrations on The BBC yet, Sky News did a report though.

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    • Dave666 says:

      Funny you should mention that I was following an Australian on facebook who was talking about the claim back Australia day. Strangely he seems to have been removed from the site.
      There are several videos doing the rounds. How is it the Australian UAF / ANTIFA look like clones of their rent a scum counterparts here in England? Have a look around youtube. Someone was asking what happened at the white pride march in Manchester (not reported by BBc) apparently @ 200 turned up and there were no major incidents is all I can find on the net. Turns out lots of things happen in Australia that never gets reported.

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    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      I’ve received first hand reports via a facebook pal, who was at one of the demos.
      They have had some UAF equivalents causing trouble, some of whom saw fit to video themselves burning the Australian flag, having ripped it from the hands of a 71 yr old woman.
      However, on the whole the rabble were outchanted outshouted and outnumbered by an active populace who dont like bludgers at all.
      They also didnt have the PC style of policing that we see here, at least on the ground, tho’ lord knows what their seniors are like.
      All in all, I’d say the reclaim movement are on to a winner there.
      The anti reclaimers of course base all their logic upon the fact that it belongs to the aboriginals anyway.

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      • DownBoy says:

        There are a lot of good Aussies out there. A pity we’ve ended up with Nuttily Bennett and that beardy bloke in prison playing with his digeridoo.

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        • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

          You mean Nittily Binnit?
          How the fuck do we end up with cows like her?

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  2. George R says:

    Rochdale-Labour Party-Islamic State.

    Update for INBBC to censor-

    ‘Mail online’-

    “UK ‘jihadi’ linked to group PM tried to bar:

    “Labour councillor’s son believed to be member of extremist group which advocates global Muslim caliphate”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3026024/UK-jihadi-linked-group-PM-tried-bar-Labour-councillor-s-son-believed-member-extremist-group-advocates-global-Muslim-caliphate.html

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  3. Truthdoctor says:

    Just watched BBC TV news at 1.00 which reported the Pope and Archbishop of Canterbury’s easter messages.

    Both referrred to the killing of Christians. The Archbishop called those murdered in Kenya as “martyrs”.

    Strangely the BBC report didn’t mention who’s doing the killing.

    I thought they were being killed by muslims. Maybe I’m mistaken.

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    • DownBoy says:

      That was an Islamophobic thought you just had, Truthdoctor. Go to the Common Purpose re-education centre immediately.

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  4. Roland Deschain says:

    Nothing to do with BBC bias. But instructive as to mindset.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/05/george-galloway-threatens-bradford-brewerys-alcohol-licence/

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      Thanks for the link, Roland D.

      Here’s an extract:

      –Bradford Council itself has a huge Muslim contingent, and although they do not publish the religion of their councillors, seven have the surname Hussein and there are four Cllr Khan’s.–

      Galloway is a teetotaller and finds drunks offensive.

      ..

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  5. hippiepooter says:

    The more I hear of Nigel Farage the more I like him. Is anyone aware of condemnation from the mainstream parties of the attack on his family meal the other week? Is anyone aware of any disapproving comment on the BBC?

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/568476/Frank-Moody-Nazi-war-hero-Ukip-poster-defaced-swastikas-Hitler

    “Ukip leader Nigel Farage, meanwhile, told of his “disgust” at the actions of Britain First, a splinter group of the British National Party, which is “hijacking” Ukip support for its own ends.

    The extreme Right-wing group campaigns against the “Muslimification of Britain” and argues for the death penalty for all paedophiles.

    Last week members rounded on a group of Left-wing activists said to have been responsible for ambushing Mr Farage while he enjoyed a Sunday lunch with his family at a Public House in Downe, Kent.

    The group, which claimed to take its vigilante actions on Ukip’s behalf, boasted in a video about how it made the protesters “cower”.

    Speaking last night, Mr Farage said: “These so-called street fighters have tried to hobby horse publicity on the back of the abuse of my family.

    “Not only are they as bad as those who barged into a quiet pub but, by doing what they have done, they diminish the original insult.

    “The fact is today most intimidation in public life comes from the Left, but these Britain First idiots are just as bad. We don’t need them, we don’t want them.””

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  6. George R says:

    “Vile tweets of BBC’s ‘Russell Brand’ panellist: Broadcaster attacked for giving Election platform to ‘magician’ who mocked David Cameron over his disabled son ”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025907/Vile-tweets-BBC-s-Russell-Brand-panellist-Broadcaster-attacked-giving-Election-platform-magician-mocked-David-Cameron-disabled-son.html#ixzz3WREOX4Pn

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    • johnnythefish says:

      ‘Magician’. Sounds like he’s disappeared up his own festering arse.

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    • Guest Who says:

      As ever, the true comedy is left to the BBC’s anonymous spokesheroes…

      ‘The BBC says it ‘hand-picked’ its 200-strong Generation 2015 youth panel..

      Criteria no doubt locked in that special secret place they call ‘editorial integrity’.

      ‘Mr Shoulder said: ‘Speak to the BBC,’ and refused to comment further.’

      Cold. as it were.

      ‘A BBC spokesman said that Mr Shoulder was speaking in his own capacity, not as a representative of the BBC.’

      Guess that was not in his ‘hand-picked’ capacity, but the… um.. other, secret one? At least he didn’t say anything stupid.

      Unique.

      Still, Frankie Boyle’s new squad shaping up nicely too if they can secure a talent of this calibre..

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  7. noggin says:

    The picture of Obummer has him smiling like a Cheshire cat, must be because Israel is a step closer to a nuke attack, thanks to him.

    Iran’s Persian statement on ‘deal’ contradicts Obama’s claims
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/04/irans-persian-statement-on-deal-contradicts-obamas-claims

    “The first thing to know about the highly hyped “historic achievement” that President Obama is trying to sell is that there has been no agreement on ANY of the fundamental issues that led to international concern about Iran’s secret nuclear activities and led to six mandatory resolutions by the United Nations Security Council and 13 years of diplomatic seesaw.”
    “First, we have a joint statement in English in 291 words by Iranian Foreign Minister Muhammad Javad Zarif and the European Union foreign policy point-woman Federica Mogherini, who led the so-called P5+1 group of nations including the US in the negotiations.
    Next we have the official Iranian text, in Persian, which runs into 512 words. The text put out by the French comes with 231 words. The prize for “spinner-in-chief” goes to US Secretary of State John Kerry who has put out a text in 1,318 words and acts as if we have a done deal.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32180762
    Of course the BBC bleats – “Obama confident of Iran success”
    Oh really! … House Speaker John Boehner called the deal an “alarming departure” from Mr Obama’s original goals

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  8. johnnythefish says:

    BBC TV lunchtime news earlier in the week had their usual PC box-ticked bird presenting the sports news.

    So here we go, off to look at Greg Dyke’s proposal to increase the quota of English players at Premier League clubs (so we can at least start competing with the likes of Germany and Spain who have much, much higher quotas than us – but we weren’t told that). Premier League Clubs are somewhat reluctant, preferring to use their ill-gotten squillions on off-the-shelf foreign journeymen – sorry, ‘stars’ – to give their fans the instant trophy gratification they so richly deserve.

    Over to West Brom to interview Tony Pulis.

    Nah, no need for it, says Tony. What ‘they’ should be doing is improving the quality of the quota they’ve already got. In a nutshell, that was it. Germany? – sorry, where? Spain? Never heard of it. Tumbleweed.

    In case the BBC hadn’t noticed what might be called ‘a conflict of interest suffused with a hint of bias’:

    – West Brom are a Premier League Club (at the moment)

    – Tony Pulis is Welsh.

    Anyway, no matter, job done. Can’t stand the risk of the filthy English getting all jingoistic with themselves over football can we?

    But suppose we give the BBC the benefit of the doubt and there was no intention to deploy the usual anti-English agenda? Well in that case it was so pointless, imbalanced and uninformative you really do wonder about the quality of BBC sports journalism. But then, when you’ve got a guaranteed trough of £4bn p.a. to sink your snouts into, with nobody to hold you to account, why should you give a flying fork? Bit like Premiership clubs, really.

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    • Mrs Kitty says:

      I said when the Premier League was formed that they had killed football in England. Not about the sport now but all about the money , a bit like the Beeb as long as the money rolls in Who Cares what the Plebs think.

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  9. I Can See Clearly Now says:

    Very good article by Bruce Anderson in the Torygraph:

    The Scottish public mood is extraordinary. Over the past few months, millions of Scots have been baying at the moon. The most bizarre fantasies have not only circulated; otherwise sane people have given them credence. There are supposed to be massively valuable oilfields whose existence the English are concealing…

    Not since the Thirties has a once great nation been in the grip of so many delusions. This is malign thraldom, and it is not clear how it can be ended. Nicola Sturgeon and her party are on the side of Trainspotting Scotland, not Enlightenment Scotland. Yet there is no sign of Scotland coming to its senses.

    Never before has Scotland been quite this deluded

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    • johnnythefish says:

      Never before has Scotland been quite this deluded

      Well, not since Braveheart anyway.

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  10. Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling says:

    Get your sick-bag, or preferably a bucket, ready if you’re going to listen to Radio 4 ‘news’ today. The headline at 1 p.m. was that Mark Lardell has visited Wales to discover that Plaid Cymru is planning to campaign with SNP to make a Labour government even more left-wing and to give away even more of our money to the wasters and no-hopers. Then, later in the same ‘news’ programme, they went to Chicago, where, surprise, surprise, there is a Democrat mayoral candidate who wants to make the Democrats even more left-wing and to give away even more money to the wasters and no-hopers.
    None of the bBBC ‘reporters’, on either side of the Atlantic, thought to ask where we could find the magic money-tree.

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    • DownBoy says:

      The so called, or self styled British Broadcasting Corporation have a magic money tree so they automatically assume everyone else can have one too.

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  11. Jeff Waters says:

    Ed Miliband wanted to be ‘happy warrior’ in TV debate – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32188119

    This article is significant for what it doesn’t say so much as what it does say.

    There’s no expert commentary from Ross Hawkins, telling us that this illustrates how Red Ed is frightened of letting the public see who is really is, and is putting on an act. Nor are questions raised about the judgement of a man who leaves sensitive papers lying around.

    Also, where are the talking heads? I’m pretty sure that a Labour and Lib Dem source would be quoted had Nigel Farage left embarrassing notes lying about. Instead, we just have a quote from the Labour Party basically saying, ‘Ed is a great guy’.

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    • Guest Who says:

      It does all rather read like some 70’s comedic spoof on hippy-trippy parents trying to help a not-too-bright child cope with reality intruding on their idealistic world, as it all collapses around them.

      A bit Manchurian Candidate meets Family Ties. Or…

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  12. The Social Constructivist says:

    Isn’t it telling how far-Leftists and communists conveniently ‘forget’ about Stalin’s cooperation with Hitler in the early days of the war? Stalin, similar to the evil monster Hitler, slaughtered millions but those who fanatically subscribe to communist ideologies seem to have escaped the condemnation that the Nazis’ nationalism rightly received. In my opinion communism, like fascism and nationalism, is a vile ideology that causes trouble wherever there are people foolish enough to implement its foul tenets. And yet, the Left have expunged the nasty bits in order to reinvent the movement as some equitable movement for the proletariat. It’s not a movement for fairness; it’s a foul swindle for the few to dominate the many.

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    • Demon says:

      I think the hammer and sickle should be treated in the same way as the nazi swastika. But the left-wing establishment would not allow that.

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    • Mark says:

      Even now, the Russians refer to the war as “The great Patriotic War of of 1941-1945”.
      No mention of Stalin’s alliance with Hitler in the first two years of the war.

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      • RJ says:

        Probably BiasedBBC isn’t really the place to ask this, but someone here might know the answer.

        When the Daily Mail ran the story about Miliband’s father one of the key facts in the BBC’s defence of him was that during World War II he had served in the Royal Navy – thereby proving his loyalty to Britain. If he had joined in September 1939 the BBC has a valid point, but if he joined after June 1941 he could equally well have been showing loyalty to Russia and Communism. Does anyone know when he joined the Navy?

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      Harry Enfield inserted a dig at the BBC the other day, were a group of BBC Executives ask each other if they are Stalinists, they all said, YES
      This was followed by a sketch where Enfield as Stalin, has a nice man shot after giving him his Curtains. All because the nice man failed in implementing the five year plan.

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  13. Alex says:

    A good article poking fun at the appalling nationalist delusions we’re all having to endure presently:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11515597/Never-before-has-Scotland-been-quite-this-deluded.html

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    • DownBoy says:

      Sturgeon peddles a combination of nationalism and socialism. That hasn’t been tried for a few decades. Not since Germany in the thirties. What could possibly go wrong?

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  14. Thoughtful says:

    Interesting data from the ukpolling website about the claims made by UKIP in the debate, and the reaction of the Fascists:

    “On immigration and HIV – perhaps the one specific issue from the debate that stood out – 50% of people would support the idea of banning immigrants to Britain from NHS treatment, 34% of people are opposed. Asked specifically about Nigel Farage’s comments on HIV, 37% said he was scaremongering, 52% said it was a serious issue he was right to raise.”

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    • Guest Who says:

      I have a degree of scepticism about polls, but it does seem… unusual… how determined a politico-media minority are determined that the public do not get to see what the public actually feels accurately represented.

      Some might say that is propaganda backed by censorship to a ‘T’.

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      • Merched Becca says:

        Its common sense, this nation can only afford a National Health Service, not an ‘International Health Service’.

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    • Aerfen says:

      And many of those opposed are immigrants who want to be able to to bring in sick relatives, natural enough, and just underlines how immigrants, by their situation, often have interests which conflict with those of the indigenous, even when they may have lived here for years and have taken citizenship.

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  15. George R says:

    “‘The truth is hard’: an interview with Roger Scruton.
    “The philosopher and novelist was right about immigration and education, 30 years too soon.”

    By Douglas Murray.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9486602/roger-scruton-a-prophet-in-his-own-land/

    (-Not something which Beeboids want to air.)

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  16. George R says:

    Islamic extremism and British General Election.

    ‘Telegraph’ (£)-

    “Muslim group with links to extremists boasts of influencing election.

    A group suspected of being a front for Islamic extremists claims it can control as many as 30 seats in the general election and boasts of acting a ‘kingmaker.'”

    By Andrew Gilligan.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11515630/Muslim-group-with-links-to-extremists-boasts-of-influencing-election.html

    Will INBBC investigate?

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    • Alex says:

      Islam is a minority religion in this country and yet it gets more attention than any other; the BBC are obsessed with it and bumlick Muslims on a daily, no almost hourly, basis. They censor reports so the words ‘Islam’ and ‘Muslim’ are taken out and leave many stories concerning Muslims off their their news bulletins altogether. But why? Are they hellbent in doing all they can to help Islam become the dominant religion in this country? What possible reason could they have for promoting it with such zeal if not to aid its growth?

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      • Al Shubtill says:

        The Progressives think the Muzzies are their “useful idiots”, it is more likely that the reverse is true.

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        • G.W.F. says:

          I cannot help but think that one aspect of the BBC’s love for Islam is coming from No 10, the Home Office and the Foreign Office. Cameron’s love for all things Islam, the adoration of rough looking terrorists avoiding deportation from sexy Teresa, might play a part in reinforcing the natural left IslamoTrotskyism of the state broadcaster. Cameron’s in it for the bribes, the BBC for bribes and socialism

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  17. Guest Who says:

    Victoria Derbyshire
    Hi everyone our new programme starts Tuesday at 9.15am on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel. It will feature exclusive interviews, beautiful films and audience-debates from across the UK. It’ll have a strong focus on current affairs. We’ll be using social media extensively to share and engage with you. Take a look at what the studio and set looks like and why you should watch the programme!

    Can’t wait. Notice the social media aspect seems set to be erring more on the broadcast side. Hope nothing stupid is said, ‘views own’ wise.

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  18. Alex says:

    The BBC will desperately be discussing damage limitation before they report on what is becoming a highly predictable and regular occurrence…

    http://news.sky.com/story/1459148/boy-14-and-girl-16-held-by-anti-terror-police

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  19. Guest Who says:

    Can’t find it now, but a poster this morning mentioned the travails of a BBC reporter North of the Border and I made a mental note to see what was up, up there.

    Poor wee soul clearly having a bit of a mare in his chosen career. Guessing ‘don’t you know I’m from the BBC’ is less of a plus these days.

    No excuse for abuse of course, but given what Nigel Farage, and family, has to weather hourly, the whinge seems a bit desperate. I know media is not politics, but both presume to influence the public, and if you can’t take the heat, not everyone has a second kitchen.

    A sample tweet…

    @LouiseMensch The difference between us, Louise, is I’m not interested in who I’m “assisting”. I just report what I know to be true.

    Love that last line.

    Looking at the rest, he has a great deal of self-belief, I’ll give him that. To a degree that seems less than healthy. But he has the ‘tell it often enough mantra’ in the Kool Aid until it overflows.

    Shame he works for a media monopoly not over-blessed with respect these days.

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  20. D1004 says:

    Sky news story;
    http://news.sky.com/story/1459153/russia-demands-yemen-air-strikes-ceasefire,
    Sky includes a picture of a child’s top covered in blood.

    Bbc news story;
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32188017

    Scroll all the way to the bottom to find out that Russia is upping the ante against the Saudis
    Bbc seems to think that it’s no big deal what the Saudis are up to.

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  21. dave1east says:

    wonder what they’re hinting at?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32160816

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  22. DownBoy says:

    BBC bias is regional too, as we all know. I spotted this on the UKIP NI twitter account;
    http://ukipni.com/2015/04/05/questionable-bbc-anti-ukip-decision-making-continues/

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  23. I Can See Clearly Now says:

    OT: Election Night Declaration Times

    http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2015_by_time.php

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    • Arthur Penney says:

      Oh for a repeat of 1992. Just to watch the smug BBC reporters and commentators eat humble pie.

      Be interesting if UKIP split the LEFT vote – could easily happen.

      (Fully expect Tories to be largest party again.)

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  24. Dover Sentry says:

    I mentioned this on an earlier thread, but having seen the Seven Leader debate the other day, it appeared to me that Farage and Cameron had some sort of truce between them.

    The gloves were off however between Clegg and Cameron.

    Could we be looking at a Conservative/UKIP coalition?

    (Not mentioned by the BBC. This combination would be unthinkable by them).

    ..

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    • Merched Becca says:

      You could be ‘on the nail’ there DS, as the political parties have a few policies in commons i.e. UKIP want a EU referendum and the ‘Cons’ have promised a EU referendum. Both have promised to get immigration levels down. Throw that lot in with DUP from Northen Ireland and you have a coalition!
      Simples

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  25. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC 24 News Website.

    Pakistani female fashion model detained in a Pakistan prison for money laundering. (Allegedly). Lengthy report

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32158471

    Is anyone interested? Is this the non-terrorist (yet criminal) face of Islam that the BBC seeks to portray? Or maybe an attempt to gather sympathy?

    ..

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  26. Geoff says:

    The Bishop of Salisbury decides to use his Easter sermon to ‘warn of the dangers of global warming’ and ‘wants us to stop using fossil fuels’ BBC Points West is on the case, leading with it as the main point on tonight’s 5 minute bulletin.

    Strange this as Salisbury normally is covered by BBC South, yet BBC West seemed to already have vox pops in the can from Bristol and a professor from Bristol University giving us his ‘expert’ view. As its a bank holiday weekend, these inserts must have been recorded in preparation and no allowance made for an alternative view.

    The bBC, agenda? what agenda? this subject should not be at the top of a C of E’s list for an Easter sermon, far more pressing issues, Common Purpose the lot of ’em…

    Also no mention of this ‘sermon’ on the bBC Bristol news website.

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    • Merched Becca says:

      No wonder the C of E are closing down and selling off many of its empty churches. They have lost the plot!

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  27. amoorhouse says:

    Two points.

    I heard on BBC news that there is to be an election debate held in Scotland. I can find no evidence of the same in England. Doesn’t seem very fair.

    Also saw pictures of Yarmuk Palestinian Refugee camp being overrun by IS. So where is Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad when Palestinians are being killed en masse? Thought they were freedom fighters?

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    • TrueToo says:

      They are fighting for freedom from humanity, decency, morality, justice and compassion.

      Naturally they don’t give a damn about their fellow Palestinians living in camps in Syria and other Arab countries where they are denied human rights and treated like rubbish in order to keep the flame of hatred against Israel alive.

      The BBC also doesn’t give a damn about them and ignores them. It wouldn’t do to have bleeding heart BBC ‘journalists’ investigate the conditions in those camps because that would expose the heartlessness of Arabs towards their Palestinian brothers.

      Much safer to get Lyse Doucet and the rest of the motley crew to concentrate on Gaza.

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  28. Kennedy says:

    I don’t know if this is happening where other contributors are, but when I opened the Radio 4 website this morning to hear the shipping forecast, a pop up asked me to complete a survey after I had finished listening. There was a page on it asking for my opinions. I gave them, suspecting that they would be ignored. Still, if this survey is available in your areas, we might be able to bombard them with accusations of bias. Worth a try anyway. I couldn’t get a URL for the survey to pass on as it was just BBC Radio 4.

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  29. Dave666 says:

    So with all the cash BBc gets what do they have lined up for our Easter bank holiday entertainment? Err bugger all Apart from Wallace & Grommit (must have been on before) it looks like the usual cheap TV.a lot I assume being repeats, oh and of course the terminally dumb Eastenders well I assume it still is I haven’t watched it since 2001 (my ex used to watch it)

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    • Guest Who says:

      ‘though he did not specify what had been said to him’

      On top of apparently inspiring all this with a story based on ‘sources’, it’s rather hard to feel too sympathetic with a BBC moppet claiming they are just doing their job… trust them.

      Not sure that, beyond rightly decrying abuse, the defences will make happy reading for him or the brand he seems to think is still respected.

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  30. Thoughtful says:

    THE TORIES PLAN TO STARVE THE ELDERLY TO DEATH !

    Well surprisingly not a headline on the BBC but unbelievably this is Tory party policy which they intend to implement in the law change on pensions today. It could also be called the government having their cake and eating it !

    From today you will legally be able to cash in your pension pot for a lump sum. If you do this, then you will be subject to tax at up to 40%
    When it comes to the time you claim your pension the government will then take your pension pot into account as if you actually had an income from it, and will either reduce or refuse a claim for benefits accordingly.
    They will completely ignore the 40% tax they have already taken from you & thus they will both have their cake & eat it.

    But what happens if you have no other income and the government refuses you a claim on the grounds you drew down your pension pot early? Well quite simply you are expected to continue in that fine Nu Tory ‘we’re not at all like Labour’ tradition, of being able to live on fresh air alone !

    This is short termism at its very worst! Osborne wants t get his grasping fingers on the tax money NOW! The caveat of not being able to claim will be left for someone else to sort out in the future.

    Our society is divided in two, those who save for their future, and keep solvent into old age, and those who spend everything they have and borrow to spend more as well! They end up being carried by the ones who save in a completely unfair manner.

    This is exactly what is going to happen with the pension draw down. The terminally feckless spend thrifts will want a new car, ‘better’ holiday, new kitchen etc etc, and spend without a thought to tomorrow.

    Anyone here reckon a future government will have the spine to refuse to allow any pension to those fools who have spent theirs and are now starving ?

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