AFTER MANDELA, DUGGAN?

Well then, who would have thought that the BBC would have found a new icon to worship after the death of Mandela, and who would have thought it was a London “gangsta”? BBC coverage has been extensive and very pro Duggan, and the comrades also seem disappointed there has not been a riot! Thoughts?

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94 Responses to AFTER MANDELA, DUGGAN?

  1. George R says:

    Many Beeboids seem to prefer:-

    – black to white,

    – lawlessness to British law,

    – mobs to elections.

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    • flexdream says:

      I believe it’s more subtle than that. The BBC prefer the narrative of white oppression of blacks. They’re not really interested in blacks, for instance the suffering of blacks in the Congo civil wars, in Sudan under Arabs, of Christian (and some Muslim) blacks in Nigeria under Islamist attacks, the oppression in Zimbabwe. No, the BBC is not really interested in blacks per se, just their role they have been cast in the ‘struggle’.

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      • flexdream says:

        Oh, and worth mentioning the many black victims of gun, drug and knife crime in London. The very people who need protecting from gangsters like Duggan. Duggan and his ilk are no threat to the typical BBC journo, but are a real menace to their fellow blacks. But again, if the BBC was really concerned about blacks they would point that out.

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        • London Calling says:

          White Middle Class Left Wing Pricks (TM Pat Condell) always run the same script. it’s all our fault, but not mine (as I’m on your side). Barnes Chiswick Richmond Teddington, twinned with…

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          • F*** the Beeb says:

            A bit like one of my university lecturers, who went as far as to say “We’ve been fucking things up now for centuries.” ‘We’ in this case obviously meant white people, and he directed this to a class that was mostly blacks and Asians. I’m sorry, but what right does he have to say that all white people (or more specifically white men, since he’s also a feminazi) are responsible for everything that’s gone wrong in the world? Why should I feel guilt for what’s gone before? And why therefore should blacks and Asians not feel guilt for the many, many examples of their own savagery? Moreover, if if should feel guilt for the wrongs whites have been culpable for, why am I not allowed to feel pride for everything they’ve done well? Why is it that whites can only feel shame but other races are told to feel pride? But of course, people like my lecturer (who I should point out I actually quite liked and seemed like a nice guy apart from the whole “reverse racist fuckwittery” thing) absolve themselves from the cross they’ve chosen to bear by accepting that they have to bear it, even when they clearly don’t. The rest of us? Well, we’re just not cultured enough to understand.

            It makes me tear my hair out.

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            • Mr Kendal Mint Cake says:

              Well said. I went to university as a mature student, after a few months, I stopped taking part in any seminar debates, as my views didn’t follow the whole immature lefty gamut. In my assignments I wrote what my lecturers wanted to hear. That is not education. I think university is a waste of time and money. On the whole the lecturers were frightful bigots, with nothing liberal about them, ditto the students. I could say so much more, but I have to think about my blood pressure.

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  2. Guest Who says:

    If kicking off (down, Mason) is their preferred aim, and what they are trying to drive with who they ask and hand the pulpit to, on top of some astoundingly odd editorial headlines and ‘analysis’ in complement, they have picked a deuced odd icon to hitch their wagon to.
    Some have bought in; most have not.
    The BBC sticks with this one as they have in the past, it’s their own graves that will be dug, an no mistake.
    That ‘the nation’ they claim to speak for has not rallied as expected (maybe looking beyond superficial ‘ism rallying labels to more fundamental human traits, good or bad), we may see a sea change in ‘reporting’ volume and tonality in short order if they are smart.

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  3. Will all end in tears says:

    I have listened extensively to 5Live today and the pro-Duggan bias has been, frankly, embarrassing.

    It seems an irrelevance that yesterday’s decision was one of LAWFUL killing. The BBC had an agenda and nothing was going to prevent them from sticking to it – certainly not the unfavourable decision of 10 good men and true.

    Community leader after community leader, crime adviser after gang mediator (I shit you not) have been rolled out to do down the police.

    Not one iota of airtime has been afforded to any dissenting voices that stray from the narrative.

    I cannot think of a time I have been more fucked off than this. That my state broadcaster deems it acceptable, nay, imperative that a career criminal should be glorified thus.

    And even hug a hoodie Dave has gotten in on the act by commending Duggan’s fragrant aunt for requesting that people don’t go out nicking trainers and iPads again..

    I fucking despair. I really do.

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    • Ageing mathematician says:

      Joshua Rosenberg was asked for his legal view on the Duggan verdict. He forensically and articulately summarised every aspects of the jury’s decisions and highlighted that there was nothing in them that was a direct criticism of police actions. Phil Williams could only stutter in response before reverting to the official pro-Duggan line.

      What a shambles and so it continues today. I want be in despair but I think I have become desensitised.

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      • John Standley says:

        Mr Rozenberg was a BBC legal correspondent for some years. I always enjoyed his calm and unopinionated observations. and is now a freelance. He is married to the excellent Melanie Phillips.

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  4. George R says:

    ‘Telegraph’ (£):-

    “David Starkey provokes storm with ‘whites have become black’ comment.
    “The historian drew criticism after making the remarks during a debate on the UK riots on the BBC’s Newsnight programme.”

    (video clip, Aug 2011.)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8699754/David-Starkey-provokes-storm-with-whites-have-become-black-comment.html

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    • Stewart says:

      The most appalling thing about the Starkey witch trial
      was how 5 live stoked up the controversy by running selected parts of his interview every 15 minutes throughout the day, then asking people call in with their condemnation.

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      • F*** the Beeb says:

        I remember Stephen Mangan also condemned him during Have I Got News For You, but didn’t even go into any details. He just said “on the plus side, no more David Starkey.” It’s pretty obvious what he was getting at, but it’s the arrogance of his assumption that everyone agrees he should be taken off air that’s so breathtaking.

        And by the way, Starkey’s still doing just fine and didn’t have to apologise, not to mention he’s been proven 100% correct multiple times since then.

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  5. Dave s says:

    The beeboids have really led sheltered lives. Good school (preferably a public school) good university and then into ther media or another non job. Politics for instance.
    They need vicarious danger. A bit silly really but there you are. That is a liberal and that is the beeboid way.

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    • flexdream says:

      There is something in that. For instance when ‘negotiating’ with Sinn Fein I believe Jonathan Powell got a thrill from being close to men of violence, unlike the boring and principled Unionists who hadn’t murdered anyone. I don’t think it was the same for his political master, Tony Blair, but others like Mo Mowlam may have felt the same.

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  6. maz says:

    Totally agree. The report by the bbc of the duggan inquest, shown on the 6pm news last night, was to my mind, one sided in favour of this criminal. The report could also be construed to be inciting anti social, ie criminal behaviour, by duggans supporters. At no time was air time given in support of the outcome of the inquest. I was under the impression that the media had a responsibility to give unbiased reports. Absolutely disgusted by this.

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    • London Calling says:

      Your license fee pays for this bastardisation of public debate. Drug-dealing gang king pin collecting gun from criminal is confronted by armed police…and we are told about how his family are “angry” His aunt speaks, but where’s his dad? BBC don’t ask. Where is Duggan’s dad? What does he think of his son’s behaviour. Why does not one soddin’ useless “journalist” ask the question? Because they are all spineless career-making nobodys. Your license fee at work.

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      • F*** the Beeb says:

        Probably because asking the father what he thinks would upset the Mumsnet crowd. Or maybe he’s just absent like so many within that community (and I don’t mean blacks, I mean that particular sub-culture of underclass outcasts that’s probably at least 50% white).

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        • Chingfordassociates says:

          The father died of cancer in 2012.

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          • Span Ows says:

            Not good enough: he died a year after his son died.

            Wiki: “His mother Pamela is from Manchester and between the ages of 12 and 17 he lived with his aunt Carole in the city.”

            Was his dad away in hospital with cancer then?

            Duggan’s sister, Paulette Hall, has stated: “We want justice….
            Mark Duggan’s mother, Pamela Duggan has said: “We still don’t have justice…

            What had the father said? Was he in hospital with cancer?

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  7. Leha says:

    Nice of the MSM news channels (inc SKY) in ramping things up for the weekends “vigil” for Duggan

    Hopefully, they will have plenty of roving reporter teams in place once it kicks off.

    Knobheads.

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  8. I texted them to ask them to tell us who elected these “community leaders” they love to interview. No response. Mind you, this is a radio station that thinks it fine to interview the likes of Lee Jasper on any matter that might be used to invoke racism.

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    • Will all end in tears says:

      Funny isn’t it Jeremy? I texted a few times too to voice my disapproval and suggesting that I can’t be the only listener expressing a contrary view.

      No response either.

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      • Milverton says:

        I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

        Five Live will stop at nothing to get Labour back in office and unless Lynton Crosby gets off his arse and does something about it that hourly drip-drip-drip might well be enough to make a difference.

        Five Live is a Labour supporting broadcaster.

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  9. George R says:

    And hot foot from the Beeboid ‘Question Time’ supplication to Mandela in South Africa, comes ‘Question Time’ in Lewisham, London, tonight, no doubt with ‘gangsta’ supporters well represented by Beeboid audience pickers.

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    • chrisH says:

      Let me guess…Dianne Abbott(if they`ve not cleared her out of the Green Room following Newsnight), Lee Jasper, David Lammy, Gus John, Owen Jones.

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  10. Maturecheese says:

    Isn’t this far more important and newsworthy than bloody Marc Duggan and how it seems all blacks are victims and if so why is the Beeb not shouting about it?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10559458/We-want-a-United-States-of-Europe-says-top-EU-official.html

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    • F*** the Beeb says:

      Because the BBC either wants it themselves or doesn’t think it’s worth reporting and stoking up the anger of those poor uneducated right-wing plebs with low IQs (as ‘proven’ in a poll, so it MUST be true!). Better to just ignore it until it’s too late, then claim we had the opportunity to stop it if we wanted.

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  11. Doublethinker says:

    Once again on the Daily Politics Andrew Neil managed to inject a little balance into the debate by pointing out that the community where Duggan lived were scared to death of him. He also added that there didn’t seem to be much local support for his family’s appeal to have protests outside the local police station last night.
    Tonight there may be many more people at so called vigil outside the police station but how many of them are local and how are professional protesters who have traveled there?

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    • George R says:

      And the small number of self-interested ‘protesters’ will be sure to get a politically sympathetic voice from Beeboids, innit?

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      • Amounderness Lad says:

        And there will be no mention of Duggan’s uncle who boldly boasted during a TV documentary that his family were “untouchables” who had a “bigger army” and more weapons than the police.
        I think that sums up the attitude of the family perfectly and the reason they are so “horrified” that they were not quite as “untouchable” as they were convinced they were. And most of the areas where the riots took place was not as random as they might have appeared. Virtually all of them were started in places where the extended family had major criminal interests. In the Manchester area in particular there was an arrangement organised whereby the various rival gangs agreed to set aside their turf wars in order to have a free run in the areas being looted in order to maximise the scale of the looting and criminal damage being carried out in order to overwhelm the police at least for a good period until they could get organised and gather sufficient manpower to deal with the scale of the looting.
        You can guarantee that none of that will be mentioned by the Beeb, it doesn’t fall in line with their agenda. And they can’t claim ignorance because the information is readily available on the web and easily found once you are aware of the extent of the extended family connections, something the Beeb must certainly be aware of especially since they now have a huge presence in the Manchester and Salford areas.

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    • chrisH says:

      Surely a few “actors” from Shepherds Bush Community Centre could have been texted to “make up the numbers”…and some Columbian on offer to the cutest ones.
      Or at least a few dozen scruffy “independent film directors” who the BBC tend to use for those scary trips around ganglands with a mobile.
      In any event-they`ll not be asking the Met how many showed up at the station/vigil…this will have to be one for self-assessment c/o Unite or such.
      Dare they even get that EC135 up and above Tottenham to film the teeming hordes?…is it worth the crash, if there`ll be only the usual 6 babyfathers with weedy “extended families” in hoods?

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    • pah says:

      Well it’s not going to happen in Winter is it? Have the BBC noticed that ‘race riots’ or looting to the rest of us only occurs in the summer?

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    • Guest Who says:

      “also added that there didn’t seem to be much local support for his family’s appeal to have protests outside the local police station last night.”
      —-
      Any media not noted for astounding uncuriosity might well be expected to investigate and note any discrepancy between what is being hyped and what actually is going on. So that rules out the BBC.

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      • flexdream says:

        When was the last time that BBC investigative journalism uncovered anything of note? The expenses scandal was the Telegraph, plodgate was Channel 4, what has the BBC done?

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  12. chrisH says:

    The BBC do NOT want any rioting on Saturday please….weekends are for the Cotswolds.
    Still-what are you going to do?…of the Met don`t getcha, then Tate and Lyle will.
    Radio 2 past 1pm…Jeremy Vine bothered about the amount of sugar in health foods.
    Radio 4 past 5pm….Eddie Mair worrying about the amount of sugar in so-called healthy yogurt.
    Me thinks I see a pattern here…flapadoodle at lunchtimes, so we don`t enjoy any food whilst DR Vine/Mair ask us to pop on the scales once we`ve dropped out trousers.
    Ah but…did Mark Duggan have sugar in his tea?…and where were Tate and Lyle as he spooned it in?
    Hate crime..see you in Strasbourg for this one!
    Ian Brady?…how many sugars has HE had whilst in HM custody?…can Phil Shiner even BEGIN to put a price on this one?

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  13. john in cheshire says:

    I don’t know much about the case but from what I’ve seen/read, Mr Duggan and the Met deserve each other.

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    • chrisH says:

      The revenge of JC De Menezes!
      Seems like Savile is the BBCs “cross to bear”…well actually a baguette at best.
      No wonder the BBC want all others who ever got near the pungent Mr Savile to take the burden from their fifty years of plying him with kiddies.
      Not a chance!

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      • F*** the Beeb says:

        “Plying him with kiddies” is a bit much. Phrases like that just unfairly legitimise the BBC’s incorrect stance that this site is a far-right echo chamber. The BBC didn’t actually (at least not deliberately) provide children for Savile. They just didn’t give enough of a shit to do anything about it even when there were reasonable suspicions/confirmed and witnessed examples of his abuse. None of which defends the BBC or their decision to intentionally cast a Tory peer as a paedophile without evidence to make it look like they were doing something positive (and besides which, he’s a Tory so who cares, right?), but it’s important to be accurate and not let emotions get in the way. That way, you know you’re rising above the BBC itself which does nothing but promote conjecture and emotive bullshit.

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        • Demon says:

          As his admitted predilections for under-age children was widespread in the BBC, they still kept sticking him in programmes full of children. This is just about as close as one can get to plying him with kiddies, short of sending out groups of BBC interns with large butterfly nets, chloroform and tying them up in his caravan for him.

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  14. Lost Over There says:

    Ant the top news item of the BBC website is Duggan’s Aunt appealing for calm, cause a middle-aged White woman giving a Black Power sign and shouting “No justice, no peace” is really going to help

    Even worse is the news ticker. It has the Met Chief (Hogan-Howe) actually THANKING her for (BBC’s words) “pursuing the case peacefully”. A second ticker has him saying the police must do more to reduce stop and search

    Who is this idiot going to blame when it inevitably kicks off this weekend – his own staff? Another politician doing a policement’s job, just like Ian Blair. Still he gives the BBC the soundbites they need. He’ll no doubt think he’s done a good job

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    • Guest Who says:

      Reading the more salacious end of the blogosphere, there are allusions to Mr. Hogan Howe having other crosses to bear.
      I borne out, it will be hard not to feel the entire governing tier of society is hopelessly compromised.

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    • Seek the Truth says:

      Hopefully, it won’t kick off this weekend because it’s too cold for those looking for a riot as an excuse for a free shopping spree. I’m just glad they held the inquest and announced the verdict in the winter, not the summer. The rioters just won’t be bothered to get off their arses.

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  15. JohnM says:

    “The WORLD at One” 13h Radio 4 today.

    20 minutes of Duggan reporting. Was there nothing to report from the rest of the world?

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    • DICK R says:

      THE BBC WOULDN’T BE INCITING RIOTS, WOULD THEY?

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    • Deborah says:

      And I tuned into WATO because I wanted a proper analysis of why M&S’s results were so bad (although my opinion of their dire attempts at clothes means I probably know the answer)

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  16. Betty Swollocks says:

    Duggan duggan duggan, Piss OFF BBC

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  17. Chingfordassociates says:

    Six o clock news leading with Duggan again. More publicity given for the vigil at the top of the programme. Vigil mentioned at least 3 times in the opening 2 minutes of the programme.

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  18. Maturecheese says:

    I am also sick to death and frankly ashamed that the BBC see it fit to blat on and on about a dead gangster who no doubt made peoples lives a misery in his community. Whenever a fine upstanding law abiding member of society is murdered you would be lucky to even hear about it on the beeb and they certainly wouldn’t give it the sickening blanket coverage that they deem fit to do in Duggans case. These bastards in their ivory towers at the beeb no doubt have never lived on a council estate and had to put up with the likes of Duggan. Why do they seem to worship lowlife like this guy and the likes of Raoul Moat etc. The BBC has to go!!

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    • F*** the Beeb says:

      At least with Moat he was documented as asking for psychiatric help while in prison, so he and his victims were arguably let down slightly by his requests not being followed up on. Not that this absolves him of responsibility obviously, I’m just saying it’s not as blatantly black and white as a gangster in a family of gangsters getting shot by police because they understandably thought he was armed moments after he actually WAS armed. There’s no ambiguity in this one, Duggan was just a scumbag who played with fire and got burned. Moat was a thug but there was an opportunity to help him and possibly prevent the bloodshed that wasn’t taken.

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  19. JohnOfEnfield says:

    Every time I turn on to the BBC all I can hear is an incitement to riot. The Judicial system is being vilified and a truly notorious gang being presented in a sympathetic light. No one who has been terrorised by these people can speak out because they are terrified of the consequences. Where is our brave State Broadcaster in all of this? Inciting riots. Why should we renew their Charter?

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  20. Alex says:

    I’m sick of hearing from the BBC Black Panther Brigade wheeling out the usual ‘community leaders’ whose voices the BBC deem more important than the verdicts of our law system. I simply don’t care what Dianne ‘I hate the British’ Abbott and David Lammy say about ‘community cohesion’. Also, who cares what Duggan’s bloody Aunt says? I’m not interested and neither is the majority of the tax-paying, hard-working and grown-up public. I don’t give a damn what Duggan’s aunt ‘urges’. But I do care for the welfare of our police and the rule of law…. if Duggan had he’d possibly alive today. Good riddance, in my opinion.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25665484

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    • Germanicus says:

      Look at Dominic Casciani’s opening sentence in his ‘Analysis’ on that article –

      “How did the Duggan jury come to a conclusion that critics say is baffling and perverse?”

      Usual BBC journalism tactic – 1. ensure that the reader is under the impression that the verdict was wrong because critics say so. 2. Don’t name the so-called critics.

      It’s bad journalism, it’s biased, it’s doublethink, doublespeak, groupthink, it’s everything, they’re wheeling out all the thought control tools for in this one.

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      • Guest Who says:

        That is simply awful. As bent as it gets.
        Mr. Casciani should be ashamed.
        His superiors should be held to account.

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      • F*** the Beeb says:

        Still, at least he didn’t use the term “experts” instead of critics. I thought the days of “informed public opinion” were long gone, but they’re just using different terminology nowadays.

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  21. For St George. says:

    By all the reporting by the BBC and the way it is reported i’m wondering if this going turn into the new ”Lawrence circus”??.

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  22. Germanicus says:

    They haven’t once admitted that the riots were nothing to do with Duggan’s death but simply an excuse for urban scrumping. The rioters in Manchester didn’t even know who Duggan was, they just saw it as an excuse to get some new tracky bottoms and trainers.

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  23. Lost Over There says:

    It suits the BBC that Duggan died – now they can idolise him as the poor, opressed victim of a heavy-handed system, without too much dissent from the rest of the MSM.
    Had he lived, there is no way they would dare interview him on any of their shows. it would have shown him up for the lowlife thug he was. They’re frantically painting his Black Power supporting middle-aged White Aunt as an agent for peace. They also gloss over his Sister’s comments when he died, that he was targetted by “the feds”. Normal language for the average law-abiding British family.
    Supporting someone like that that would have killed what little credibility they have left. A missed opportunity for us, sadly.

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    • pah says:

      He was targeted by ‘the feds’, she is right. And they were right to target the gun-toting thug – who turned out to be a little coward in the end.

      He got his gangsta death – but not quite in the way he wanted.

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  24. Jeff says:

    It’s been interesting to note the BBC response to the death of Mark Duggan and to contrast it to that of young soldier Lee Rigby. One young lad was serving his country, putting his life on the line in defence of our freedoms. The other was a worthless, drug dealing gangsta who, some might say, got what was coming to him.
    Looking at the Beeb though you’d be hard pressed to tell which was which.

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    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      Day by day the scum at albeeba get worse.

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      • Beez says:

        It really is beyond parody now, to the point where they’re starting to make my blood boil. Grow a pair of bollocks Cameron and do something about this!

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    • F*** the Beeb says:

      Not to mention the police had the opportunity to shoot the cunt that killed Lee Rigby and not only managed to avoid lethal force despite him actually charging straight at them brandishing a knife, but even gave him first aid. Hardly the trigger-happy racist force the BBC is trying to portray them as, but why let inconvenient things like facts and precedent get in the way? The BBC sure as hell doesn’t.

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  25. Dazed & Confused says:

    Not much to say really….Whether it be the BBC or Dianne Abbott, they all get their ideology from this point of view….

    http://www.swp.org.uk/resource/449

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  26. ember2013 says:

    Even the police seemed to be pushed into issuing idiotic platitudes now:

    The Metropolitan Police Commissioner has praised the “very dignified way” Mark Duggan’s family has responded to the inquest conclusion.

    Someone will have to send me a link to the technology provider for the parallel universe machine used by the police yesterday because what I saw was an angry aunt outside the court.

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    • ember2013 says:

      That should read:

      The Metropolitan Police Commissioner has praised the “very dignified way” Mark Duggan’s family has responded to the inquest conclusion.

      Someone will have to send me a link to the technology provider for the parallel universe machine used by the police yesterday because what I saw was an angry aunt outside the court.

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      • Stewart says:

        Dignified was not the adjective that immediately sprung to my mind.

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        • John Standley says:

          “Dignified” always seems to apply only to minorities. It is an unconsciously deeply patronising term.

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      • Guest Who says:

        ‘Tell. It. Often. Enough’
        Not the sole preserve of the BBC.
        But now they have a degree of separation to quote.

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  27. George R says:

    ‘Telegraph’ (£) –

    “Gangsterism, not racism, was the root of Mark Duggan’s shooting.
    “Too many children on council estates are being drawn into a life of crime because work does not pay.”

    By Fraser Nelson.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10561007/Gangsterism-not-racism-was-the-root-of-Mark-Duggans-shooting.html

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  28. The Highland Rebel says:

    At least someone’s got the story right.

    http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2014/01/09/on-the-duggan-verdict/

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  29. chrisH says:

    We here at Biased BBC can only draw the conclusion that BBC Current Affairs(and a bit of news)-in cahoots with their Guardian/Indie/Channel 4 fellow trough surfers-would rather have 100 dead David Rathbands than see one Mark Duggan not get his Eurostar to Brussels with Shiner, Peirce, Christiansen, Toynbee Jones,, Chakrabhati, Crook, Blair/Booth, Robertson, Mansfield…and all associated family members of Abbott, Howe,Jasper, Livingston, Grant,Bellos who also fancy the ride and some luvverly BBC fops like Jon Snow to report on it.
    Oh, you say Snow`s not a Beeb trougher? His tryst with Alan Duncan off Mustique as it howls down here would suggest other.

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  31. Seek the Truth says:

    Why did I watch QT last night? Why didn’t I have the sense to go to bed early or to switch channels? Why did I go to bed seething so much I could barely sleep? How on earth can the BBC say that it is impartial and balanced when that was probably the most biased panel and audience that I have ever witnessed on that dire ‘show’?

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    • Joshaw says:

      You were brave to watch it. I didn’t have enough blood pressure pills in the house to survive the experience.

      I have copied this comment word for word from the DT because I think it says all that needs to be said (all credit to doggywoggydooda – 200 votes last time I checked):

      “There have been many cases of white criminals being shot dead by police for public safety and of course there were Lee Rigby’s black killers who were armed with a gun and had butchered a man in broad daylight in the street, yet were not shot dead.

      Can we put the hysterical and incorrect allegations of racism away now?

      The British police bend over backwards to pander to ethnic minorities to avoid being declared racist. Even to the extent of refusing to investigate Pakistani Islamic Paedophile gangs, leaving vulnerable white girls to be brutally and repeatedly gang raped.

      Duggan was an armed drug dealer who got what he deserved, given the circumstances. Well done the police, courts and jury.”

      From: Gangsterism, not racism, was the root of Mark Duggan’s shooting

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      • Mark B says:

        I have a sneaking suspicion that the family of Mark Duggan, are trying to link this in someway to the death of Steven Lawrence, in that it was a racist killing. No it was not. The fact that Mark Duggan was mixed race, and the police officers’ (presumably) were white, has nothing to do with this.

        Mark Duggan chose a path for himself. A path that was only end in one of two ways. Either he was going to do time, like his friends or, die at the hands of someone else, possibly someone like him. If he had, he would have been just another statistic. But just because he was killed by agents of the State (police), somehow an injustice has occurred and the best thing to do is to link it to racism.

        To even remotely compare the death of Mark Duggan with the murder of Steven Lawrence (racist attack) is sickening and shows that these people have no sense of proportion and do not know what it means to lose a son in such tragic circumstances.

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        • F*** the Beeb says:

          I’m just disappointed they didn’t mention Damilola Taylor. Considering how shameless these people are, they might as well go the whole hog in their myopic pandering.

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    • F*** the Beeb says:

      You should have learned from the farce that was Nick Griffin’s appearance in 2010 and just watched the darts highlights instead.

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  32. Seek the Truth says:

    Thanks, Joshaw. I won’t be watching QT again . Thanks for posting the DT comment and for letting us know how many votes the writer received. It restored my faith in humanity.

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  33. Guest Who says:

    This just on twitter…

    @BBCBreakfast: 0810: He travelled to Syria to help the sick & injured, but Dr Abbas Khan’s life ended in a prison cell. We’ll hear from his mother, Fatima.
    —-
    Any familial loss is tragic. But one might wonder what news value there is to ‘hear’ from near relatives, especially those who can often appear in their grief to have appreciated the pr value of death to push other agendas.
    Also quite what and who lures the BBC all the way, all the time.. and those less so.

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    • flexdream says:

      The value of his mother is that no one would have the heart to contradict or challenge anything she says.

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  34. George R says:

    ” Duggan was a gangster not Nelson Mandela”

    By RICHARD LITTLEJOHN.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2536869/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Duggan-gangster-not-Nelson-Mandela.html#ixzz2pzLEAheD

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    • Joshaw says:

      Some real gems here:

      “One Duggan apologist, long-time Tottenham ‘rights’ activist Stafford Scott said: ‘Just because someone goes to get a gun, it doesn’t mean they are going in to attack mode and are going to kill someone.’”

      Spot on. I always take my Glock to Sainsburys – don’t have to queue.

      I suppose now I’ll have plod kicking my door in.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Hot on the heels of Mr. Holmes, by sticking to facts this does become a rare worthy summary in contrast to the hyperbole being facilitated by too many.
      Interesting top comment:
      ‘Diane Abbott, although now trying to row back from her original comments, needs investigating for openly casting the verdict into doubt – she is an MP for pity’s sake. Anyone might think she was somekind of opportunistic race hustler!’
      One cannot help but feel that if commentary was off narrative by unapproved party members, ‘sources would be claiming’, ‘calls would be getting made’, ‘critics would be saying’ across the entire BBC estate.
      But, oddly, silence, from the world’s most trusted to rabble rouse media monopoly.
      A few other quotes of note:
      ‘No witness or jury should ever have to endure this level of intimidation, yet His Honour Judge Keith Cutler continued to indulge the aggressive hecklers. In any other trial or inquest, the court room would have been cleared and those bent on disrupting proceedings would have been charged with contempt.
      It was bad enough that there were few, if any, coppers in court and the task of keeping order was delegated to a handful of mainly elderly security guards.
      Once again the police seemed paralysed by political considerations, just as they were when rioting broke out in the immediate aftermath of Duggan’s death.
      ***
      “From some of the coverage, you might have thought this was a deliberate miscarriage of justice perpetrated by an all-white jury ..
      Nothing could be further from the truth. The jury comprised seven women and three men ..
      They were mostly young and many were mixed race, just like Duggan himself, chosen to reflect the diversity of the area.”
      ***
      “In some quarters, there’s a palpable sense of disappointment that another riot hasn’t kicked off already.”

      Ch4, Graun & BBC rightly called out for some truly dire tribal stirring, for which they should be held to account.

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  35. ember2013 says:

    Has anyone else noticed that on BBC’s Text service we now have an entire page devoted to Duggan?

    Similar to the way there was an entire page devoted to Mandela in December…

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  36. F*** the Beeb says:

    Why are we forced to pay for this crap again?

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  37. flexdream says:

    BBC is reporting a vigil being held for Mark Duggan. If you google “duggan mark vigil” BBC news is the ONLY report of this event. What’s the better question, why is the BBC reporting this, or why is no-one else reporting it?

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  38. Mike says:

    ITV news @ 5:00 200 at demo in Tottenham in support of Duggan’s family, BBC news says 500. Video (ignoring press etc.) looks more like 50!

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  39. Guest Who says:

    May be my way of reading, but someone at the BBC tweeting centre has a wicked sense of humour in how this one was phrased:

    @BBCNews: #Duggan family vow to continue fight at Saturday’s angry protest at #tottenham police station http://t.co/6bJboa4AcC http://t.co/kEFfrpxnzz

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  40. Matt says:

    From what I’ve heard on the radio, it’s not ‘Duggan’, but ‘Mark’. The BBC want us to be on first name terms like he was a lost friend.

    Relatedly I see that unarmed Lambeth police tackled a gunman in a Brixton kebab shop last night. That’s brave that is. Of course, not a word about it on the BBC.

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