The Groans Of The Britons




Warning…graphic photos


We were told that Al Qaeda didn’t exist by the BBC….it was just a ‘nightmare’.


And now the BBC once again humbly lectures us through the good auspices of Will Self….they seem to like these dissolute ‘thinkers’.

Once again we are told something doesn’t exist.

Apparently the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

Self is talking about the fear of Islam in the UK of course.

We should embrace it and welcome change to our culture….to be the heirs, possessors and transmitters of a legacy that is ready and able to adapt.

Islam as we know is a religion of peace, tolerant, forgiving and merciful.

And….The problem with you lot, you lot who are critical of Islam and believe it to be a backward, homophobic, misogynist, violent, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian ideology is that you stink of ‘rank ignorance’.

That’s your problem….you’re pig ignorant.






Nothing to fear accept fear itself.




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49 Responses to The Groans Of The Britons

  1. Guest Who says:

    Those photos are stark reminders of what can happen, too easily, when true statespersonship founders on political correctness and an irresistible tide of media and NGO and charity staff seeking ways to justify their existences to feed the 24/7 ‘news’ maw.
    Any hard decisions will be intercepted within hours and subjected to selective outrage across all media outlets until someone blinks. The media control of policy is instant and absolute. How can a democratic system based on voting every several years hope to compete?
    Weirdly, of all those awful images above, one stood out more than most: that of the keffiyeh scarf-swathed gent, like some human Cylon centurion, proclaiming ‘Freedom Go To Hell’.
    I was going to offer irony is not his strong point, but frankly he does seem to have sussed it is possible to have certain cakes and eat them, too.
    As has the BBC.


    • Buster says:

      What had 7/7 got to do with ‘political correctness and an irresistible tide of media and NGO and charity staff seeking ways to justify their existences to feed the 24/7 ‘news’ maw.’ ?!?!


  2. GCooper says:

    And the BBC’s response?

    From today’s ‘News’ front page: “Why do some people fear the veil? ”

    Notice the careful use of the word ‘fear’ with its connotations of an unreasonable and unjustifiably phobic reaction.

    The BBC will not voluntarily stop its ceaseless Gramscian war against this country. We are simply going to have to find a way to get it shut down.


    • Lobster says:

      “Why do some people fear the veil?” The pictures above provide the answer to that.


    • flexdream says:

      Why do banks ‘fear’ motorcycle helmets? Why does the government ‘fear’ sunglasses on passport photos?


    • johnnythefish says:

      A prime example of the BBC always taking a left-wing stance.

      The question from a right-wing standpoint could have been ‘What place does the veil have in a free and open society?’ or ‘Is the veil a barrier to integration?’


      • Buster says:

        Questions have been worded that way, prticularly the latter. But this was a ‘Point of view’.


  3. David Kay says:

    Ban The Burka!


  4. David says:

    Are those muslims pictured citizens of the UK? If so, then they would have taken an oath of allegiance to become citizens, and should be immediately turfed out for lying and betraying that oath.


  5. Doublethinker says:

    Well these lovers of peace will soon meet the law abiding Roma. Keep well clear is sound advice. The BBC will tie themselves in knots trying not to blame either minority for whatever happens. No doubt after much thought they will come to the conclusion that it is our fault. If only we were more welcoming and understanding of minorities, they would all live in peace and harmony.


    • Guns n' Neuroses says:

      Interestingly, a recent news item on this topic in Sheffield showed a muslim man being interviewed. he was clearly unhappy about the prospect of the Roma arrivals, stating that many people he knew had already moved away.
      It made me wonder; how bad must the Roma be if even the Muzzies are frightened of them?


    • Mark B says:

      They will simply blame the government for not trying hard enough to integrate them. That is one of the reasons why the likes of Straw and Blunket are getting their retaliation in first.


  6. ember2013 says:

    Typical Self piece: clear evidence that he’s swallowed a dictionary but is unable to put together a coherent argument. He seems to be creating several straw men arguments: “Fear the veil” (I doubt anyone fears the veil), “British culture will be changed by new immigrants” (I doubt many Brits are concerned about the positive contributions made by a limited set of immigrants.)

    I have thought hard about the issue of face covering in court. There is little evidence that people can elucidate the truth from facial gestures. It is a common misconception. Self finally gets there when he says:

    “It is not that we need to worry that jurors and judges won’t be able to assay the veracity of evidence given from behind the veil – after all, serving police, military personnel and members of the intelligence agencies are often allowed to do just this …”

    However this is to keep their identities safe because we would put their lives at risk if we did otherwise. A niqab is a mere cultural add-on. Would we permit someone to appear in court wearing a “Vendetta” mask? Would enough protestations made by the wearer, about how they wear it all the time in public, be a reasonable excuse?

    I think I know where the judge would suggest such a mask be thrust.


  7. DownBoy says:

    One thing is guaranteed – The Islamists and Roma will not be housed anywhere near Will Self and his smug, ‘tolerant’ friends. It is so easy, isn’t it, to be tolerant when you don’t experience the outworkings of your immigration policies. Plus, of course, you get the extra kudos of criticizing those whom the changes do affect bigtime – you even get to call such people Pig Ignorant.


    • kev says:

      The only ethnic Will Self has anything to do with the person who sells him his drugs.


      • ROBERT BROWN says:

        Correct, Self was a heroin addict, which explains his ramblings, no way is he to be regarded as intelligent, but as a weak and deluded and bitter man of the Left. He also has the kind of face you would never tire of punching.


  8. Llareggub says:

    But as Dave says: this is not about Islam.


  9. Conspiracy Theory Central says:

    Stay classy, Alan. This would probably be thought OTT in a BNP recruitment leaflet. You have missed your true calling, maybe they would be doing a bit better if you were writing your rants for them.


  10. Alan says:

    Can’t think of anything to say…so just shout ‘racist’.


    Criticising the BBC’s one sided promotion of Islam and immigration is racist?

    How so? Please explain.

    Good to know you support the Islamists though.


    • GCooper says:

      It’s highly unlikely that CTC actually supports anything. Like all cultural Marxists his entire worldview will be based on what he dislikes – ie anything recognisably traditional. The moment he encounters it, his kneejerk reaction is to despise it and embrace whatever opposes it..

      This is how Leftists come to hold so many contradictory opinions and embrace so many mutually antagonistic ideas, such as ‘gay rights’ and ‘Islam’. They are only defined by what they oppose, not what they support..


      • chrisH says:

        Always worthwhile to ask a lefty whether they`re in favour of Gay rights, womens righte etc…or whether they demand that Muslims are not to be upset or offended when you propose those selfsame rights to be upheld.
        There are many uses for tumbleweed, once it has emerged from their heads, and has been plaited into a dreadlock braid…a bit of ska/TwoTone music makes an ideal accompaniment whilst the eyes swivel, and the injured hurt clouds over.
        Must be a medical diagnosis by now.


      • mo says:

        Leftists. “They are only defined by what they oppose, not what they support.”

        Well put GCooper.


      • Conspiracy Theory Central says:

        On the contrary, I support a small state, low taxation, the nuclear family, personal liberty, freedom of expression and of worship. I’m not arguing that anybody should be less than free to hold or express their views. I also think the BBC news operation is in thrall to certain liberal views which harm its claims to impartiality. Alas, this blog appears to be obsessed with certain viewpoints which condemn it to marginal irrelevance and make it more of a comedy offering than a serious contribution to the national debate.


        • Alan says:

          Comedy central….

          Which of course is why your contributions fit so nicely.

          And by the way…no such thing as ‘moderate’ Muslims.

          Who said so? The Muslim Baroness Warsi….and Iqbal Sacranie….you know him….another Muslim…once head of the MCB.

          I’m certain you’ll be in touch to berate and educate them with your indepth knowledge of Islam.


        • David Kay says:

          i liked your post. Not because i believe you, i just think its funny when you try to convince people you’re not a lefty

          thanks 🙂


        • Guest Who says:

          “marginal irrelevance”

          And yet… And yet.. You seem still a permanent fixture, and are joined this fine day by a positive firing squad of foot shooters.
          All, again, going nowhere near matters of BBC inaccuracy, lack of objectivity or integrity, but determined to prevent it being raised or discussed.
          For some reason.
          For all your claims in that first paragraph, you have managed to cover, in detail, nothing on any topic.
          It’s almost like you’re messing about filling space with white noise to drown out anything else.


        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          Alas, CTC, you’re yet another one who claims to see the BBC as biased along the same lines we do, but refuses to demonstrate how blog about it properly.


        • johnnythefish says:

          ‘ Alas, this blog appears to be obsessed with certain viewpoints which condemn it to marginal irrelevance and make it more of a comedy offering than a serious contribution to the national debate.’

          The obsessions on this website strangely match those of the BBC, I think you’ll find – global warming being one of them.

          Like to add your own ‘serious contribution’ on that topic, or are you going to content yourself with flailing, impotent insults?


    • Buster says:

      Allow me Alan. Your first sentence is wrong:

      ‘We were told that Al Qaeda didn’t exist by the BBC….it was just a ‘nightmare’.’

      What you’re referring to here was the ‘Power of Nightmares’, an authored film by Adam Curtis, in which he argues that the threat of radical Islamism ‘as a massive, sinister organised force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is a myth perpetrated by politicians’.

      This was not the BBC stating that ‘Al Qaeda didn’t exist’.

      So are you lying or just pig ignorant?

      Clearly the argument was against the accepted view, and when watching it I found myself shouting ‘9/11, Madrid, Bali’ at the TV but his argument wasn’t that AQ didn’t exist at all. I didnt agree with much of his argument, but I’m a grown up and can take it.

      It may be interesting to note that the film included the argument below that a ‘dirty bomb’ wasnt actually a viable threat:

      ‘Dr Theodore Rockwell, an authority on radiation, in an interview for the series. “You’ll have trouble finding a serious report that would claim otherwise.” The American department of energy, Rockwell continues, has simulated a dirty bomb explosion, “and they calculated that the most exposed individual would get a fairly high dose [of radiation], not life-threatening.”

      Not long before the programme was broadcast, the BBC had shown a Horizon episode about dirty bombs and the danger they posed:

      So, as I say; an authored film. Unless the BBC is schizo.

      Power of Nightmares was given awards by BAFTA, the Director’s Guild of Great Britain and the Royal Television Society.

      Were you being deliberately misleading?


      • Wild says:

        Which television company commissioned and broadcast that pile of Leftist crap ‘The Power of Nightmares’? I forget.


      • Alan says:

        Allow me….from the BBC website trailing their programme:

        ‘In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares.
        The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares.’


        • Buster says:

          Is that it? It was an authored film.


          • ftumch says:

            Paid by me and my licence fee. I rather like Curtis, he is eloquent; but he is a left wingnut all the same. I have many of his series, including this one. What struck me most about Power of Nightmares was the history of Qutb (or whatever his name, and his suspicious postage stamp moustache :P). More than anything in this series of programmes, Curtis shows how the media make myths… around al qaida, but also around the military/industrial compex, etc. There is a lot of crap there.


  11. JonT says:

    Just watched a documentary on BBC2 about the Kennedy asassination. Three times they they stated that Texas was an evil ‘right wing republican state’ but not once did they deign to mention that Lee harvey Oswald was a communist, Watch this in ignorance and you could believe that JFK was murdered at the behest of the republican party…incredible.


    • flexdream says:

      JFK was strongly anti-communist. Oswald was linked with the earlier shooting and attempted murder of a right-wing figure in Texas. Still, it’ll never be possible to persuade everyone what happened after all this time.


    • ftumch says:

      I broke a long habit and watched some tv…. on iplayer:

      05.30 “Texas is a traditional Republican stronghold”
      07.34 “Texas is a difficult state, very right wing, very republican, very vocal…”
      11.27 “But right wing republicans have already made JFK uncomfortable in Texas”
      22.43 there is a man weeping leaning on a sign which says “KEEP RIGHT”

      The latter is intentional.

      But check this:

      You will find that Texas was broadly Democratic up until 1961. The Fear and Loathing is a LIE.


      • ftumch says:

        Further, the Democrat Senator for Texas Ralph Yarborough was in JFK’s motorcade as it drove through Dallas, though he isn’t even mentioned in the reconstruction.

        Oh, and LBJ rode in the same car as Sn Yarborough. LBJ, that lifelong Texan and Democrat.


        • John Anderson says:

          …and the Democratic Governor of Texas John Connally was in Kennedy’s car – and was himself shot that day.


      • Span Ows says:

        To be honest much more than 1961: it has only been “broadly Republican” for the last 20 years.


  12. mo says:

    Alan . Take a look around you. think for yourself.


    • Alan says:

      I’m thinking, thinking….still thinking….no…can’t understand that one mate, sorry Mo.


  13. George R says:

    “The Saudis spread their ideas around the world – why don’t we?”

    By Ed West.


  14. George R says:

    “Al-Qaeda threat has become ‘hydra-headed'”


  15. DickMart says:

    It’s called “A point of view”. Trouble is, it’s the only point of view we ever get from the BBC.


    • Conspiracy Theory Central says:

      I tend to agree that that slot tends to be drearily lefty. But the ‘only’ point of view? WRONG. It isn’t long since Roger Scruton presented a month of them. But memories are short in BBBC land.


  16. JimS says:

    Self could have just said “My enemy`s enemy is my friend”, it would have been more honest.


  17. George R says:

    And as part of the political left-Islamic alliance, many Beeboids, whether they’re propagandising from Cairo or London, remain close to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    “The Muslim Brotherhood thrives in Britain”
    By Douglas Murray.