We Sikh Him Here, We Sikh Him There…That Damned Elusive …er…Muslim



Guest Who and George R have noticed a bit of BBC editing that completely alters a story.


In this report, on the main UK news page, about another BBC report, the BBC may give the reader the impression that sexual abuse of Sikh girls is carried out by those within that community…there is no mention of who the culprits might be…even the title is suggestive:

Is there a Sikh code of silence on sexual grooming?

This is the closest we get to an identity:

Inside Out has also discovered that groomers are actually exploiting the fact that Sikh families are less likely to report incidents of abuse.

The programme has spoken to one man who recently broke away from a grooming gang and is now campaigning for greater awareness of the problem.

He says there are groomers who specifically target Sikh girls because they feel they can get away with it.

They see Sikh girls as ‘easy targets’ because they know codes of honour mean the child will be too scared and ashamed to tell their parents about the abuse and “their parents would not even report it if they were to find out”.


Ironically at the end it says:

Some names have been changed to protect the identities of victims

It just forgets to mention that the identity of the guilty have been left off as well.


As an aside that is also interesting because it proves that there is a link between religious identity and the choice of victim.


However in the blurb for the actual programme that is reporting this there is a very definite culprit:

An Inside Out London special, uncovers the hidden scandal of sexual grooming of young Sikh girls by Muslim men.

Breaking their silence, they speak to Chris Rogers about their experiences at the hands of these predatory men and why justice is being denied to them by their own community and the police.




This follows on from the post about the identity of the arsonists at the Darul Uloom school…although presumably ‘white’, non-Muslim…as the head master said they were caught on CCTV…but we don’t know for certain as their identity has been kept under wraps for 3 months…..so we are left guessing and blaming the ‘usual suspects’

Here the BBC in one article is protecting the ‘Muslims’ whilst allowing the Sikh community to be tarred with suspicion because it is not made clear that the guilty are Muslims and not Sikhs.

When you start manipulating the news for your own political and social ends as the BBC so often does, there are always consequences…in this case Sikhs become victims twice over.


Praise due though for Inside Out for mentioning exactly who is doing what to whom.



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45 Responses to We Sikh Him Here, We Sikh Him There…That Damned Elusive …er…Muslim

  1. thoughtful says:

    Harry Bosco hard at work again


    • Alan says:

      ‘Translators or editors that would, yes, and do, yes, ignore or twist the original meaning of a word or text in order to advance their point of view. Serious translators consider this an utterly unprofessional and even evil breach of ethics and of the reader’s trust. Unprofessional ones, however, couldn’t care less, and the result is a Translation With An Agenda, a.k.a. a Harry Bosco.’


      • The General says:

        The BBC reporting in this instance can only be described a pure evil. That they should, if only by omission, seek to mislead and in doing so tarnish the reputations of young Sikh girls and their wider community, is beyond belief. All for some perverse reason to protect a quasi religious group, a bane on the civilized world, who are immersed in all kinds of perversion, deceit, and immoral practices.


        • Ken Hall says:

          Tommy Robbinson of the EDL is taking this up too and asking the EDL to support Sikhs who have been victims of Islamic grooming and sexual abuse.

          The BBC is very keen on removing Islam from the Islamic rape gang scandals, going so far as to describe them as “Asian” grooming gangs, even when African Muslims are involved. The only single solid factor combining these sorts of grooming gangs is that the perpatraitors are Muslims. Colour of skin, nor continent of origin are not the major factor. It is a fact that these grooming gangs consider non-muslim girls to be less than human, due entirely to their own religious extremism, bigotry and sexism.


        • noggin says:

          no surprise to see bbc fave … “honest” ibe mogra in full denial mode …
          there are no words … to describe
          the bbc … beneath contempt
          i ve had it with this … totally dishonest – morally bankrupt retarded, supremacist, violent – retarded culture and retarded paedo ideology


    • Guest Who says:

      That’s a term I had not heard before.
      However, if I may, can I suggest there is also maybe a Merion Savile at play?
      Because whatever Inside Out is, or rather was up to, it seems at some point internally, things started to go in separate directions, as with Savile & Newsnight.
      The BBC had started down a path, based on fact & truth, but somewhere someone appears to have decided that aspects needed ‘softening’ and redirecting. Maybe not at a management top down level as before, but there are for sure two threads running now.
      And as before, the explanation for the in-flight change of plan may prove as interesting as the original intended exposé.


  2. Ian Hills says:

    It’ll be the buddhists next. If they’ve been persecuting moslems in the far east, then why not create another story about them shagging buddhist kids?


  3. flexdream says:

    “An Inside Out London special, uncovers the hidden scandal of sexual grooming of young Sikh girls by Muslim men.”

    It’s only been ‘hidden’ if you’ve been relying on the BBC for your news.


    • DP111 says:

      Even I knew about the mass sexual gang rapes of young white girls, over ten years ago. It is inconceivable that the relevant Home Secretaries did not know.

      I believe there has been an understanding between the political elite, that as the matter is of such shame and malfeasance that the matter is hushed up – or the political elite will end up in jail for long periods. It was hushed up then, and is being swept under the carpet now.


  4. flexdream says:

    .. and what about the sexual grooming on young white girls by Muslim men?


    • Ian Hills says:

      Narrative – the little whores ask for it, or –

      “All five girls who were witnesses in the gang’s conviction were known to social services at some stage in their lives.”



      • Rufus McDufus says:

        It’s clearly their fault then! They were asking for it according to the BBC.


      • Bodo says:

        Yep, those weaselly words used by the BBC. You almost have to admire them they are so well practised in that part of deniable deceit.

        IIRC some (possibly all) of the girls were known to social services because their parents had approached the authorities, naively hoping they’d help to prevent them being abused by the gangs of child rapists.


      • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

        I can’t imagine Jenni Murray or Jane Garvey on “Woman’s Hour” having any time at all for the idea that a woman had been guilty of ‘contributory negligence’ in a rape case (e.g. if drunk or out alone late at night or scantily dressed). OK, so these young women or girls are even less responsible for what happened, for all the usual reasons plus their immature age. The BBC can’t have it both ways.

        Perhaps the old Ottoman Turkish “Devşirme” has been revived in the newly acquired lands in Britain: a tribute of slaves to be handed over to the Muslims.


  5. RCE says:

    ‘Some names have been changed to protect the identities of victims.’

    The name Mohammed often gets changed to protect the identity of the perpetrator.


  6. Aerfen says:

    Its disgusting the emphasis on the girls background in the cases of these ‘groomed’ children. It has no bearing on the case and as Ian hills said it encourages the view that they ‘asked for it’ as well as deliberately encouraging complacency in ‘decent’ parents about the possibility that their daughters could be targetted.

    Most black gun and knife crime involves victims from similar class backgrounds to these girls, but the victims are always eulogised as would be doctors, architects or at the very least sportsmen.

    I wonder what Charlene Downes hoped to be when she grew up. Nobody was ever asked.


    • Ken Hall says:

      Very good point that I had never considered. Funny how the black kids from run down London sink estates who become victims of gun and drug crimes are always ace pupils with promising careers in medicine or something. Yet white victims are just chav scum who had it coming.


  7. Right to speak up says:

    Muslim in the news again. Can they ever do anything right? They aim to destroy families of other faiths but end up insulting their own. They want to live in western country but they are so backward as if they are living in the 18th century. I say this because area I live in is full of Muslims and they look down on those of us who dress in western clothes.
    My attitude is that I am English and live in UK and wear what I want to wear, if they don’t like it then they can move it’s not their country.
    Aerfen you got it wrong, religious Sikhs might carry a knife but don’t abuse it or threaten innocent people of other faiths. I have seen Muslims threatening non-muslims though.


    • Rob says:

      The 18th century? If only they lived in the century which gave us the enlightenment and the notion of the rights of man. Islam is, and it seems, will always be rooted firmly in the 7th century, because that is when Mohammed lived and had migraines in his cave. When the founder of your religion was a child molester and rapist, it is hardly surprising that some of his followers think they have been given the green light by god.


  8. stuart says:

    never ending is is,have you ever known any other religious or minority group in england to cause so much trouble as islam and there followers muslims,now its the sikh children who are suffering,no doubt hindu and other religious non muslim minoritys children are being targeted by the muslim paedophile rings that we have not heard about yet.correct me if i am wrong but the only place that this sexual grooming does nott seem to be happening is in northern ireland,would these muslim sex grooming rings dare to go to that country which is part of britian and target catholic and protestant underage girls for sex,i wonder what the reaction would be from the locals over there if they dared importing that type of paedophillia into there country,


  9. Doublethinker says:

    And of course we only know of those cases brought to court, how many are covered up? The Muslims are being protected by the liberal left. If white English gangs were going about doing this awful stuff the BBC would be screaming for justice from the roof tops. Why don’t they when Muslims are involved? Of course, if English men were abusing Muslim girls the Muslims would take revenge and no doubt the BBC would defend, or at least excuse, their doing so. I wonder how many cases of Muslim gangs abusing children there have been in the past 10 years? Enough to bring ordinary folks to anger no doubt , so the conspiracy of silence and news manipulation by the BBC kicks in. Why on earth did allow these aliens, with a totally different culture and value set to ours , into our country? It will all end in tears for both sides sooner or later.


    • Beez says:

      “Why on earth did allow these aliens, with a totally different culture and value set to ours , into our country? It will all end in tears for both sides sooner or later”.

      4 words. Anthony Charles Lynton Blair . Thank you ever so much importing these divisive creatures for your own selfish gains. You should be hung publicly for treason.


  10. Bodo says:

    These crimes would’ve been virtually stamped out years ago if the police had done their job properly. Instead they aided serial child abusers – all in the the name of “community cohesion”.

    It’s only due to reporting of The Times (owned by BBC/guardian Public enemy number one Murdoch) that they are taking some action now. If the BBC had reported fully and accurately about what is still going on, the place would be compelled to act.

    Nothing must threaten the left’s vision of a multicultural utopia. And if it does the evidence must be buried. The years of new Labour packed senior positions in the BBC, the police and social services with their like-minded fellow travellers. This epidemic of child abuse of the most brutal type imaginable is just one of the results.


    • Ken Hall says:

      Indeed, Nick Griffin tried to do something to help years ago and was arrested for his efforts. Labour’s politically correct philosophy enabled these grooming gangs to flourish and rape with utter impunity for so many years. How many more rapes and murders have the police covered up? Like the girl in Blackpool who was served in kebabs?


  11. Rob says:

    The duaghter of a friend of mine was being groomed by a Muslim guy much older than her and she was underage. Her parents told the Police. The Police went round the the mans house and warned him to ‘be careful!’


    • chrisH says:

      As in “careful now,,,down with this sort of thing”.
      Might as well be Father Ted/McGuire when it comes to the ROP these days.


  12. Geoff says:

    A night watching BBC 1 really brought it home to me what a sh1thole my country has become.

    1) The One Show told us that West Yorks, Greater Manchester, West Midlands and Greater London are the top four places for uninsured cars, ummmm what do those all those counties have in common? Still it was OK they used an ethnic minority presenter (as always with these type of stories) just to level the ground.
    2) The aforementioned Inside Out, it took them a bloody long time to get around to telling us Muslims were responsible.
    3) Motorway Cops, nearly every bloody law breaker was an ‘enricher’ its pretty scary to think that when you take to the roads we’re sharing the roads with these types, uninsured vans laden with drugs and more. It seems there is no crime these b’stards don’t have a hand in.
    As these programs were the BBC one wonders what was left on the cutting room floor.


    • Ken Hall says:

      And yet nobody in the BBC can put 2+2 together and accept that inviting all these third worlders to live and drive here could have negative connotations for our safety and our laws.


      • Geoff says:

        Even worse was that at the end they had a resume of the punishments dished out.
        1) Mr Enricher trying to escape from the police, driving the wrong way down a carriageway with a van full of cannabis plants gets an 8 month suspended sentence, with no further action on the cannabis due to lack of evidence!!
        2) Mr White, low IQ, petty burglar caught with a cheap stolen watch – 2 and a half years inside!!!


  13. frk says:

    @stuart,the answer to your question is simple,the ira and there counterparts the uvf would surely take care of those who would abuse there children.i need say no more and i would never condone violence in any form


  14. chrisH says:

    I saw the names of the accused myself yesterday-far be it for me to find out those names from the BBC.
    I`m no expert-but Islam surely is implicated in at least a couple of the cases, judging by the names.
    That the BBC refuse to see any link only makes the rest of us want to see for themselves…this is NOT to denigrate Muslims per se, but only to warn them that , if the BBC don`t give us the real truth-then we have to make our own minds up.
    The BBC is simply the worst friend you could choose as a friend…if they`re behind you then you might as well have Jimmy Saviles log book as a testimony to yourself.
    The BBC are truly toxic, and the spores continue to give us all real trouble…knotweed of the soul.


  15. F*** The Beeb says:

    A new low for the BBC, and that’s really saying something.


  16. thoughtful says:

    Just a thought here, that perhaps we should once in a while put ourselves in the shoes of those we criticise.

    You are aware that British governments have for a period of 50 years allowed a constant flow of Muslims into the UK, and that over the past decade that flow has become a torrent.

    You are aware that around 25 years ago a book called satanic verses was burned in the streets an a Fatwah placed on the head of its author Salman Rushdie.

    You are becoming increasingly aware through rioting and terrorist attacks that these are not idle threats but very real indeed.

    You are also aware that people who stand up to the Muslims or criticise or make fun of them have been murdered or attempts have been made to do so.

    You see Islamic fundamentalism being preached on the streets of Britain, and Jihadists committing crimes as a result the authorities do nothing

    You see the rape of children and again the authorities fail to act even though they know it’s going on.

    You are aware that the government in the face of all these problems rather than restrict entry, which any sane person would do are actively encouraging more Muslims to come to the UK until by now there are at least 3 million of them, and they continue to arrive.

    As a broadcaster what would you do? Speak up against them and risk your life? You know that the authorities will cover it up & lie until they’re blue in the face to protect the Muslims. Wind up an entire community by telling the truth until they riot again? Whose going to get the blame, because sure as eggs are eggs the government will be looking for a scapegoat & it’s not going to be the Muslims, who must not be criticised no matter what they do!

    No, I think I’d adopt the bunker mentality and avoid the issue like the plague. No one in authority is doing anything about the problem and they aren’t going to. If the Muslims don’t get you then the government and its agents will.

    The best policy is just give up and keep a low profile.


    • Ken Hall says:

      I cannot accept that form of defeatism. We must elect a leader who has the spine and testicular fortitude to stand up for British values and laws and customs, who will stand up for British culture and defend us against the tidal wave of alien, imoral, inethical, lawless perversions being wroaught on our lands by this vile child molesting, genital mutilating, honour killing, expression of Islam.

      So far, only Nigel Farage fits the bill.

      If they can integrate and accept our laws and customs, contribute positively to society and our culture, then they are welcome.

      If they wish to impose their unlawful, backwards, inhumane practices, then they should bugger off to whatever third world shithole state will allow that and NOT be made welcome here.


      • Joshaw says:

        But your last paragraph falls short of a viable alternative to thoughtful’s policy, doesn’t it?

        You say that they “should” bugger off, suggesting an obligation or duty on behalf of the immigrants. But how likely is that, and what if they don’t?

        Let’s face it, a true alternative to thoughtful’s policy would involve compulsion. An unsavoury idea, but surely the only alternative that doesn’t involve wishful thinking.


    • Derek says:

      “As a broadcaster what would you do? Speak up against them and risk your life?”

      The BBC have gone far beyond that – the BBC could simply repeat AP stories verbatim and treat all religions the same, but instead the BBC actively supports Islam and does down Christianity, Buddhism, Sikhism.

      So the BBC has made a choice, and can now be regarded as an agent for Islam.

      It does seem to fit in with other BBC behaviour:
      – anti-science
      – paedophilic
      – grasping for ‘free’ money
      – insidious twisting of the truth
      – comfortable with the preventable abuse and suffering of non-Muslim girls
      – etc


  17. George R says:

    There’s a similar BBC-NUJ reluctance to explicitly see Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) as an Islamic global practice.
    (We know FGM is not exclusively an Islamic practice.)

    Miss Lloyd Roberts (‘Newsnight’ 3 Sept) expanded on the case of a Gambian woman living in England who had suffered the experience of FGM in The Gambia. This soon developed into a typical Beeboid campaign for Britain to take in apparently unlimited numbers of females in the world who are under threat of FGM.

    But that apart, Ms Lloyd-Roberts avoided making explicit the connection of FGM to Islamic practices, although the mutilated Gambian woman’s father is an imam. In Ms Lloyd -Roberts’ report on ‘Newsnight’, we have to wait until near the end of her 13 min piece on The Gambia to get to an imam justifying FGM.

    It is as though Ms Lloyd-Roberts is unaware of Ms Hirsi Ali’s writings in this field:-


    “Ayaan Hirsi Ali: ‘FGM was done to me at the age of five. Ten years later, even 20… I would not have testified against my parents’”



    “The Caged Virgin: A Muslim Woman’s Cry for Reason”
    By Ayaan Hirsi Ali.


    • Thoughtful says:

      FGM has nothing to do with Islam and trying to suggest that it does shows supreme ignorance!

      If it had some direct connection to Islam then it would be seen across the Muslim world, and it isn’t.

      It is a cultural practice amongst primitive African countries which happen to be Islamic and not the other way around.

      The practice dates from Egyptian times according to Wikipedia, later in Africa the practice of Arab slavery saw women sewn up as virgins and thus fetched a higher price.

      Five reasons are cited for the practice today:

      Hygienic and aesthetic. The external female genitalia are considered dirty and “unsightly” and should be flat, rigid and dry

      Sociological. Identification with the cultural traditions, as a rite of passage of girls into womanhood, and for the maintenance of social cohesion;

      Psychological. Reduction of sensitive tissue and thus to curb sexual pleasure in order to maintain chastity and virginity, to guarantee women’s fidelity, and even to increase male sexual pleasure

      Myths and false beliefs. To enhance fertility and promote child survival;

      Religious. FGM/C has been practiced in a range of communities with different religions: Christian, Muslim and animist. Muslim communities often have the false belief that FGM/C is related to teachings of the Islamic law.


      • Span Ows says:

        I take issue with your first sentence although the rest of what you say is perfectly true: the very reason why it is NOT supreme ignorance to think that FGM has nothing to do with Islam is because it almost always has been associated, FGM surgeries are found are predominantly Muslim and even by the name of one type: Sunna circumcision suggest an Islamic connection.

        “Circumcision, either male or female, is not mentioned in the Qur’an in any verse. However, Type 1 circumcision (also called Sunna Circumcision) is practised by some Sunni Muslims although it has a controversial religious basis in Islam, and is mainly derived from culture. Cultural and religious intertwining caused the incorrect belief that female circumcision is related to the religion of Islam”


        Also worth pointing out that on that Wiki page the “Views in monotheistic religions”…note which religion mentioned.

        HOWEVER, your point re it happening in countries which happen to be Islamic is true (look at maps in pdf below, Islamic and other sub-Saharan countries) in fact in Nigeria and Niger it is more common in Christian women.

        Many details here: http://www.unicef.org/publications/files/FGM-C_final_10_October.pdf

        The prevalence in Egypt is horrific and the Muslim Brotherhood were trying to decriminalise it.


  18. George R says:

    “Australia: Muslim cleric says, ‘Islamic law permits by definition, by prophetic statement and by practice female circumcision.'”

    [Opening excerpt]-
    “Islamic apologists in the West maintain that female genital mutilation has nothing to do with Islam, and that only greasy Islamophobes think otherwise. But eventually Muslims themselves get around to vindicating every last charge that greasy Islamophobes have ever made about Islamic belief and practice.”



  19. George R says:

    BBC-NUJ, Galloway v. English Defence League (EDL).

    Of course, BBC-NUJ and Galloway political interests intertwine in their political opposition to the EDL:-

    “George Galloway wants English Defence League march banned”

    Galloway, who may behave as though his constituency not only includes part of Bradford, but also Tower Hamlets, runs, of course, on an Islamic ticket.

    “Is George Galloway Muslim? Socialite Jemima Khan claims maverick MP converted in secret ceremony more than a decade ago.”


    BBC-NUJ supports UAF which want to ban/silence EDL. This will become even more apparent as Beeboids increase their political campaigning in the run up to Saturaday.


  20. GeoffM says:

    I’m surprised that the BBC didnt try to get that Sikh gut arrested for hate speech when he pointed the finger at Muslims – after all they did with Nick Griffin and another 5 yrs of abuse was allowed to continue unchallenged.

    But then again Griffin was interested in the welfare of white girls and, as we all know, they are “hideously white” and have no race or culture, let alone lives, worth saving.

    We are STILL awaiting an investigation into the BBC’s role in the Grooming Cover Up.