Well done BBC, it only took you FOUR hours to move the decapitation of a British soldier on the streets of Woolwich by Islamic jihadists ABOVE the shooting of an Islamic Jihadist in Florida. Nauseating. I’m out of the UK at the moment so can see the BBC world pages running order and it has only just changed. Still, at least they are no longer claiming it may have been a car accident,
WOOLWICH…
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I heard the news at around 5.30pm, looked up the BBC site, and saw the article that had been written. No mention of the details, or the ethnicities of the men who carried out the attack. Naturally I assumed it was jihadis.
Went to the Telegraph site, where the headline was something like “Soldier beheaded by Islamic terrorists”.
The BBC: your license fees going towards obfuscating ‘journalism’ at its worst.
Lets just rename them the Ministry of Propaganda and be done with it; they are the traitors in our midst.
As someone posted earlier, the first thing they have to do is to decide “how” to report it. Most people just tell you what everyone knows and what is new… the news in fact, whereas the BBC takes such pains to not say anything ‘naughty’ that they end up hours behind the curve. Must be the cutzz.
Even if they do temporarily give it prominence it’ll be just their bending with the wind.
When they perceive that our anger has receded they’ll be back examining how the soldier brought it all on himself.
Truly sickening.
By the by, there’s a great take on the nature of our elites in: “Our Dictators” at:
http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2013/05/our-dictators.html
BBC-NUJ makes key basic errors in its presumptions about the history and tenets of Islam; and BBC-NUJ propaganda flows from there because BBC-NUJ is part of the ‘political left-Islam’ alliance.
So BBC-NUJ makes no criticism of Islam; on the contrary it defers to Islamic organisations on all matters Islamic.
The bBC, the traitors within our midst.
The “cries” of one of the murderers “‘We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you” has now been “translated” by the BBC as “political statements”(twice).
Infact, I can no longer see it or the words “Islamist attack” on the BBC now……
It has even been removed from their main article whilst other parts of his rant have been left in.
A few things to note:
1) The video which surfaced of one of the alleged attackers either obscures due to the narration or has been edited to exclude the widely reported “We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you.” (We ‘know’ that this was part of the original video thanks to numerous sources that reported the statement from the transcript – see, for example, BBC live text “Footage has emerged showing a man, apparently one of two attackers, wielding a bloodied meat cleaver and making statements including: “We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you.””). My question would be why has this portion of the video been edited out? And why has a later segment, found via The Speccie:
“‘Do you think David Cameron is going gonna get caught in the street when we start bussing our guns? Do you think your politicians are gonna die? No it’s gonna be the average guys, like you and your children. So get rid of them, tell them to trip our troops back
‘The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying by British soldiers every day. This British soldier is an eye-for-eye, a tooth-for-a-tooth’”
also been left out of the video? It must be because he makes his motive clear (“Muslims are dying by British soldiers every day.”) and a partial Koranic verse is quoted (“eye-for-eye, a tooth-for-a-tooth” – Koran 5:45, but his quote is, interestingly on many levels, closer to Matthew 5:38), the basis for lex talionis.
2) The video-maker is incredibly brave considering a mad black man with a carving and butcher’s knife, and bloodied hands is standing just feet away.
3) It has been suggested that the assailants were ‘Somali’, perhaps because of their high concentration in Woolwich. The fellow on camera was almost certainly born here though given his accent and use of modern London slang terms. He could have been of Somali origin, but he could just as easily have been of Nigerian stock.
4) Given that the murder took place in the same borough as that of Stephen Lawrence, and that this crime was likely committed by two black males on a white male, it really ought to be considered as being racially motivated. The savagery of the attack plus the slightly confused signals given out by one of the alleged perps. suggests this was an attack on an ‘other’ (i.e. a white non-Muslim British soldier):
“But in our land, our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your governments, they don’t care about you.”
But he confusingly adds:
“So get rid of them, tell them to trip our troops back ”
“Our” as in ‘his too’? Or is this part of a ungrammatical attempt at reported/indirect speech (i.e. the people he is speaking to would say to ‘politicians’, “Bring our troops back!”) ?
5) A quick survey of Youtube videos brings to light several featuring Somali gangs based in Woolwich, featuring menacing lyrics, music, attire and gang signs. Given the frequency of black-on-black stabbings and shootings in London, could this be, like the Muslim trafficking gangs, a synergy of all that is bad in several cultures? I mean, this is really the product of a remorselessly evil culture of bling and gangsta rap, the Islamic culture of hate for non-Muslims, ideological multiculturalism and modern Britain.
Gosh ! I wonder why the Spectator is not permitting any comments on the Black muslim killer who beheaded a British soldier ?
And people laugh at North Korea.
Comments are not being accepted on Guido’s site or the Guardian’s or the Telegraph’s. Very sinister.
I agree, seems like a post Leverson media gentlemen’s agreement, very surprised at Guido.
The full video isn’t being shown much. German TV has also misreported the whole.
all youtube videos have been set to 301 views so that it cannot get top billing. none of the hundreds of related videos are being shown in the right hand column on the webpage when viewing the various footage. youtube under total government/NATO control.
“we want all troops to come home” statement by a terrorist – Only the wall street journal and speccie is reporting that the terrorist said this and strangely missing from itv footage. mass control of media outlets/internet confirmed.
Well, we all know why, the 500 pound Gorilla in the room.
This story will be forgotten in 3 or 4 days time, then the media blogs will allow us to comment on really important matters like gay marriage and David Beckham !
Guido kindly replied to my same query:-
‘We don’t want the haters to defile the death of a soldier.’
..or any other comments that don’t defile the death of a soldier.
very sad day for Guido. Establishment confirmed.
What was the saying? The first victim of war is truth?
But this will now get passed through a filter from the start. War will become ‘ideological conflict’ or somesuch.
I can’t see how our political or media establishment can have any credibility once they decide what stays in and needs to be left out to suit notions beyond the facts.
There’s no excuse for inaccuracy or knee jerks, but if already the lid is coming down, and decisions made on what the public needs to know… or get to discuss… leaving it to ‘analysts’ working to guidelines, the pressure cooker may get worse than better.
I can see some rationality to closing comments as feelings run high (and some from all extremes seek to push even the most moderate buttons to suit perverse aims), but if factual material is getting dropped this seems mad. Especially as it will become known in a heartbeat via other sources, and simply acquire more and more dangerous potency.
You are completely correct – just two points –
I tried BBC, SKY and CNN at 4pm yesterday and CNN delivered the best coverage by far. All the local news products are pretty rubbish, all commentators saying they knew more but couldn’t say it. Not one used the word terrorist, Somali, Muslim except CNN who went the whole hog. To be fair ITV showed the video of the killer ranting first, you can certainly find the uncut version on the web.
Also, the person videoing was not toooo brave – spectators were asked to video by the murderers, they wanted their message out.
Worse is, that on BBC breakfast, some yapping head said the murdering scum “Quoted the Bible”, not the Qu’ran in reference to the “Eye for an eye” statement, showing that they were clearly confused, and not proper Muslims!
Ffs.
On BBC and SKY both trolling out MUslims, they condem but the fault is that of the government. How many groups are there.
14 year old ‘journalist’ James Forsyth of the Spectator
” With the exception of a tiny demonstration by the thugs of the EDL in Woolwich tonight, there does seem to be calm on the streets of London tonight. ”
Yeah, those EDL are real scum, just hate them, let’s deport them !!
And there’s that linkage to BBC: Forsyth is married to Stratton of ‘Newsnight’.
“Woolwich machete attack leaves man dead”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303
These machetes are getting a bit rough!
The thing I find astonishing about this whole dreadful incident, is that it took the the police TWENTY minutes to arrive, and that it took place outside a military barracks. If the police “service” cannot do the job then I think it is time for the army to do it.
that is how these somali muslims got to grandstand, to
orchestrate the situation, they just wanna go to allah, they got their fix.
but the way they got to dictate …
police eh! where are their priorities ladies and gentlemen
The police will be much quicker to act upon any inappropriate tweets that arise from this crime, and the BBC will be wall to wall ‘racist outrage’ on social media sites.
Words are so much more harmful than machetes.
why 20 mins?
“.we’ve got beheadings on the high street…any one available?.. hello?.. hello?..
ok, someone ticket a badly parked car on the high street…radio if you see anything suspicious..”
The police were there sooner, it took 20 minutes for armed police to arrive. Now we know why labour got rid of all hand guns. It makes it easier for the wankers in parliament to roll over for Allah.
You are indeed a nauseating little man Vance
Please clarify this comment.
They can’t, the flockers have no way to counter this and as a result have to rely on Ad hominem attacks instead.
Very well.
David Vance’s point is that BBC World led with the shooting of Ibragim Todashev above the events in Woolwich for a period. And this is supposed to suggest what? That the BBC is minimising the crime or is in sympathy with these murderers? Or that the position of the headline indicates greater sympathy with Ibragim Todashev?
BBC World as he says broadcasts outside the UK, not to UK viewers. The shooting of a suspect in connection with the Boston bombings is quite significant. The events in Woolwich have recieved extensive coverage across the BBC today. It dominates BBC News today in the UK.
I hope I don’t have to explain that the amount of coverage of a story or its placing in the headlines isn’t judged on a broadcaster’s value of the life of the victim. Saddam Hussein’s death got quite a lot of coverage right?
Posts like this, typical of Vance, I hold in contempt. He makes such a patently stupid argument without actually coming out and saying what he really means, why? Given the events in Woolwich, I find his comments distasteful.
There you go. That’s his central point and that;s it refuted. And you know what, anyone with a modicum of sense and the smallest understanding of news would be able to do the same.
Well, ok, thanks for this explanation anyway. I think “nauseating” is not a helpful word.
You are correct, Dominic. Of course those of us with sense knew that the sainted Vance would be rubbing his hands with glee at this brutal act. Those of us with sense who, despite rhetoric to the contrary on here, are thinking of the bereaved right now.
Truly horrific and saddening in the extreme.
There are some lovely videos of the EDL p*ssed up and making the job of the security forces even more difficult in the aftermath. I would post links but David is probably already watching on a loop. Porn to him, you see.
I am revolted and frightened by what occurred today. I am revolted in a different way about how happy the far right knuckle draggers are that it did.
Morons.
Dominic has a slight point in his follow-up reply but he is in fact very wrong. You however seem to have followed in tone and content Dominic’s first comment; both are moronic.
Of course you are correct Span Ows. After all, you always are. Hillsborough… etc. You are the go to guy around this place for balanced non knee jerk appraisal. Tell me what my opinion is whenever you have time. These ill thought out theories in my tiny cranium just don’t seem to compute. Send help.
LOL, poor old Realist; you do seem to have trouble reading but hey, no doubt you’re not alone. Please elaborate on the knee-jerk appraisals, ill thought-out theories and knowing what your opinion is as none of these things bare the slightest connection to what I have written.
I try not to get in to slanging matches but here we go…
I have never posted before today on here but have read your posts many times. I reserve the right to think that you have a one dimensional world view. I would take it back in a heartbeat if you showed me some posts that were ever empathetic, sympathetic or in any way went against the collective wisdom 9sic) of those you try to fit in with on here.
Why DO so many of these pop- up trolls on here, claim they read the posts many times, but are now posting their strongly held opinions for the very first time.
It simply doesn’t stack up to me, but there ya go huh?
https://www.economist.com/user/2760341/comments
Thanks Dominic. Just to give some balance, every other news organisation was leading with the attack in Woolwich, including CNN and RTL. So maybe David and every other TV station in the world was wrong. Or maybe the BBC is covering up Muslim activities. As they always do. Think about it, if you can, and let me know.
If that is really what you think I can’t help you. I’ve promised to teach a horse to do a jigsaw today.
I don’t know that Mr Vance is actually right as I wasn’t watching BBC World, I’m in the UK.
The position of news stories in a running order is subjective, and there can be any number of factors involved. However, it seems Mr Vance and yourself only recognise one. That’s an assertion which is unsubstantiated (although I appreciate it would be difficult for a viewer to provide any evidence for it).
As he says though, it became the top story soon after, and it has been the top story on BBC News (within the UK) for 2 days now.
But put that aside. ‘maybe the BBC is covering up Muslim activities’ – is it totally lost on you both that the story which he states was the top story was the shooting by the FBI of Muslim, in connection with the bombing and murder of innocent civilians by Muslims.
And if the BBC is ‘covering up Muslim activities’, then how do you explain this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/
Lee Rigby named as Woolwich victim
Live: Woolwich attack reaction
Killed soldier was ‘loving father’ Woolwich mourns murdered soldier Woolwich murder: The suspects
In Pictures: Woolwich terror attack
‘Attack will only make us stronger’ Special Report: Woolwich attack Analysis: The long-feared attack
I suppose you’re gonna say they’ve been forced to cover it now.
The Guardian has the uncensored video of the attacker talking about the Quran etc http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2013/may/22/woolwich-suspect-attack-video
“Political statements” is a pretty disingenuous way to describe it, BBC! Religious extremist or Political-Religious or Islamist is more like it. This is the kind of crap that makes people lose faith in BBC reporting and some of them into the arms of the far right.
Ha, that old chestnut – It’s not my fault I vote BNP, the BBC made me do it. Whatever they need to tell themselves.
H/T Greg http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2013/may/22/woolwich-suspect-attack-video
“[Qur’?]an in Surah at-Tawbah* through…many, many ayat throughout the Qur’an that…we must fight them as they fight us; an eye for a eye and a tooth for a tooth…we – ugh…I apologise that women had to witness this today, but in our lands our women have to see the same…you people will never be safe…remove your governments, they don’t care about you…[0:26 image continues and in the audio, not synced with picture which has been ineptly edited, we hear the same man say ‘sall’Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam’, meaning ‘peace and blessings be upon him’. This is the specific honorific phrase used after Muslims mention the name of Muhammad, his status [i.e. as a messenger – Rasul’Allah] or his actions. A Muslim would say this phrase conventionally after quoting a hadith or part of Muhammad’s story (sira). Thus, we can reasonably infer that the alleged killer quoted a hadith hear and certainly mentioned Muhammad. Why was this edited out?].”
*This surah was one of the final chapters to be revealed at Madina. It contains the infamous ‘Verse of the Sword’ [9:5] and mandates bloodcurdlingly hostile relations with non-Muslims.
“has been ineptly edited”
you are getting close shlomo…so close that “bee banks” has trolled all the way up to your previous post to try and engage you in irrelevant nigeria chat down here. Why did bee banks not reply to your nigeria post way up the top?…unless diversion is the aim.
@Shlomo, why did you have to include Nigeria in this when clearly the dude is of East African stock? I take it you are one of those who can’t differenciate the East from the West of Africa….
I do admire your careful analysis of the “on-goings” surrounding the incidence though
Doesn’t really matter. Africa is just a town full of inferior people to most luminaries on here, I’m afraid. Your geography lessons will fall on deaf ears.
You obviously didn’t (or can’t) read the comment clearly.
Bee Bankz, what do you say o the latest finding? perhaps it’s YOU that “are one of those who can’t differenciate the East from the West of Africa” [sic]
“At least one of the suspects is believed to be of Nigerian decent, a man in his late 20s called Michael Adebolajo, according to people familiar with the matter. But as of Thursday, the British government hadn’t appeared to have broadened their investigation into Nigeria, according to a British defense official, on the belief that Mr. Adebolajo had little connection to that country and its continuing war against a fundamentalist insurgency group Boko Haram.”
WSJ
Link went wrong, try agian:
WSJ
And now they have begun the predictable damage limitation ‘… this is food for the Far Right’ nonsense. Whose side are the BBC on?
Theirs
Stick another 20 likes on this one will you Al?
In the news:
“The man believed to be Adebolajo speaks with a London accent in the video footage and is believed to be a British citizen of Nigerian descent. “
Quite so. Are all Nigerians going to be victimised now on here?
The prior question is – why are there so many Nigerians in Britain ? Their addition to the “diversity” is frequently negative.
@John Anderson, I cannot say that your claims are wrong as we all watch the news and i must say that i feel shame at some of the wrongs my people are accused of. However, on this occasion, I am on some level relieved that he is not a Nigerian born and bred. Not to say it makes the disgusting act less so but the stigma doesn’t burn half as much .
the British media is ever so fond of slandering the good name of anything African that’s why you don’t know half of the beauty that exists in that continent. I have never,and will never wish to be from somewhere else. That been said, I’ll move on.
if the British media does not call any of the below named a “British of Nigerian descent” then they have no right to have reported that cold-blooded mammal as they have done:
Phillips Idowu,
James Dasaolu,
Andrew Osagie,
Lawrence Okoye,
Abdul Buhari,
Abiodun Oyepitan,
Anyika Onuora,
Margaret Adeoye,
Christine Ohuruogu,
Marilyn Okoro,
Eniola Aluko,
Temitope Fagbenle,
Anthony Ogoro,
Anthony Joshua,
Peter Bakare
Dami Bakare.
These are British athletes of Nigerian descent and they do good for the society (that’s just to name a few). the British media is quick to portray Africa in a bad light but we contribute largely and in more ways than one, to the positive development of the World at large. the evil ones dont even make up 5% of the Nigerian population i tell ya.
I do not stand for what those wrong’uns have done, I stand to defend my people and my Nation. I really hope Sky news can verify their claim.
Ah, I see bee bankz is without capitals today. Are you related to the Bee Bankz who was 100% wrong this morning?
Bee Bankz says:
May 23, 2013 at 2:01 am
@Shlomo, why did you have to include Nigeria in this when clearly the dude is of East African stock? I take it you are one of those who can’t differenciate the East from the West of Africa….
I do admire your careful analysis of the “on-goings” surrounding the incidence though
Bee Bankz, a very good list. I recognise many of the names on there.
However, you and your ironically named friend “Realist” should apologise for your accusations against Shlomo. We all make mistakes, but Shlomo didn’t. Your other posts recognising Nigerians’ contributions to British Society would go down better with just a trace of humble pie.
@Demon, for me, apologising is never a problem. however, for the records, i have no affiliation whatsoever with @realist.
@Shlomo, I apologise to you. indeed, you stated it as it was reported.
@span ows: first and foremost, i am a Nigerian who is never in support of evil or any wrongdoings both at home and especially in the diaspora as i believe that we all should be ambassadors of were we have come from. I am also a “yoruba” (this is the ethnic group were one of the said perpetrators of evil is said to be from) so surely I should be given some credit that I am able to identify how my “kind”. The man in question bear little or no resemblance to the build or stature of my people. if their allegations were leveled against another tribe (the Hausas) you might argue that the man shares some features with members of that ethnic group albeit not strong enough in my opinion (FYI, the hausas’ are the major tribe associated with Boko Haram in Nigeria). I watched that video over and over again and his London accent sounded like it was infused with some residual Eastern African accent. I bet you, until the claim by Sky news that the man in question is a “British of Nigerian descent”, every well-meaning Nigerian who had seen that video would have breathe a sigh of relief as many were certain he wasn’t one of ours. I have just finished writing an exam so I have some time on my hands to query this allegations by Sky news. I hope they reply me then I can share their response on this forum.
Nice try, at least 5/10 for effort.
Each and every report on this horrific story today on the BBC has been dominated by “moderate” senior Muslim spokesmen condemning the attack in outspoken terms. I wonder whether the editorial overlords at the beeb were getting nervous that some of us might, stupidly, associate the attack with Islam, be it extreme or otherwise? Speaks volumes about their mindset and priorities: damage limitation rather than details of the act itself.
David Vance:
Has #bbcqt spent more time on gay marriage than Jihad? Amazing. Just wait until Islamist get power, then you will see what happens gays…
@Span ows…. I see your browser is/ was malfunctioning! Its ‘Bee Bankz’ and ever shall be…. Let’s assume it wasn’t? Same-difference??? Puh-leez!!!! Do not make a mountain outta a molehill.
bee bankz says:
May 23, 2013 at 7:20 pm
silly billy
WOOLWICH… – Biased BBC
Every BBC report I have heard in the last 2 days has referred to this as a stabbing. They are actively covering up the fact that at the least this was an attempted beheading.
So, I must be concluded that Al Jabeeba are watering down the facts in order to dampen the rightful outrage of the people.
Absolutely disgraceful.