Drunk and The Disorderly?

 

 

 

 

 

Nigel Farage was recently set upon by Scottish nationalists who serenaded him with offensive, racist chants which included ‘you can stick your Union Jack up your a***’ and ‘go back to England, you’re not welcome here’. 

He said they were Fascist scum…not far wrong there. 

Alex Salmond, instead of distancing himself from this rabble of extremists practically aligned himself with them…and denounced Farage as having ‘lost the plot’ and went further saying …’ it would be a “great mistake” to take “somebody of that mentality with any degree of seriousness“.  An SNP spokesman added this….”Nothing he says can be treated with a shred of credibility and his partners in the No campaign should be embarrassed about his behaviour.”

 

 The BBC are not much interested in looking at Scottish nationalism in light of Farage’s comments and addressing it in the same tone they treat UKIP in regard to their immigration policies.

The BBC seem to have forgotten this report of theirs from 1999:

In an interview with the Sunday Herald newspaper, Glasgow-born Connolly said:

It’s entirely their fault (the SNP), this new racism in Scotland, this anti-Englishness….there’s a viciousness to it now that I really loathe and it is their fault entirely.” 

 

Nigel Farage of course put the phone down on the BBC in a subsequent interview  (in side box)when he felt they were insulting him…it was verging on aggressive at times….The BBC haven’t forgotten that.

In that interview Farage said:

‘If this is the face of Scottish nationalism it’s a pretty ugly picture.’

The BBC interviewer from ‘Good Morning Scotland’ retorted:

‘This is a hugely objectionable point you are making…suggesting that anti-English racism is somehow conflated with the campaign for a yes vote.’

As you can see from Billy Connolly’s remarks and those of others quoted here the BBC’s belief that linking the SNP’s campaign to the rise in extremist and racist politics is wrong is misguided.

Later on in the interview the BBC interviewer said:

‘The overwhelming message from yesterday’s event [the attack on Farage] seems to be that your political philosophy is an alien political philosophy’.

That seems a strange choice of word…’Alien‘….as in ‘Foreign, English and unwanted’ no doubt….backing up Farage’s point really….and did that extremist rabble really represent the ‘overwhelming message’ that the Scots want to present to the world?

 

 

The Commentator brings us this BBC interview  with UKIP’s Godfrey Bloom,MEP, in which the BBC assassinates Farage’s character….they essentially accuse him  of being a drunk  and smoking too much….drinking and smoking to such excess that it effects his judgment.

I wonder how much all those drugs that BBC staff consume effects their judgement?

Drink, drugs and bullying: BBC forced to reveal its disciplinary record

 

In what way did the BBC accuse him of losing his judgement? (suspiciously similar line to that of the SNP)….The interviewer accused him of having blamed the SNP itself for the attack on him,  and went on to say:

‘It’s a matter of Farage’s judgement being in question….he works very hard, perhaps it’s tellng on him…perhaps he smokes and drinks too much as well….is his lifestyle taking its toll because of his judgment’

A pretty cheap line of questioning, a ‘trick‘ designed to undermine his credibility and reputation.

That line presupposes a couple of things…one that Farage’s judgement is in any way faulty and second that the Scottish nationalists weren’t as Farage described them, ‘Fascist scum’, and that the machinations of the SNP in rousing nationalist fervour didn’t play its part.

It also presupposes that he did blame the SNP….which this BBC report denies:

‘Mr Farage did not suggest this was anything to do with the SNP as a party’.

 

Personally I’m with Billy Connolly on this one…and so is Scottish composer James MacMillan:

‘Alex Salmond is exploiting Scotland’s reservoir of anti-Englishness. Don’t be surprised if it overflows’

 

And the Telegraph:

‘The persistent contempt for the English emanating from Mr Salmond and the SNP partly explains why so many English people want to sever ties with Scotland.’

 

Farage quite rightly points out the BBC’s hypocrisy….(and of course in the interview we had the obligatory mention of the BNP alongside UKIP)….

 “If anybody from UKIP says anything on Facebook that is in any way homophobic or mildly racist you guys jump down my throat and demand I condemn them and expel them from the party, which of course I do. It is about time Scottish nationalism was put under the same level of scrutiny.”

 

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/379935.stm

A survey says many people in Scotland believe that an anti-English feeling exists north of the border.

The opinion poll for the Daily Record newspaper found that 66% of those questioned agreed with the statement: “Many people in Scotland are anti-English.”

The findings were published a day after comedian Billy Connolly accused the Scottish National Party of stirring up “new racism” in Scotland.

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71 Responses to Drunk and The Disorderly?

  1. Plonk says:

    I seem to recall we once had another political leader that drank and smoked a bit, who was it now? oh yes Winston Churchill.
    I would have loved to see the BBC put the same question to him.

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  2. Guest Who says:

    ‘The overwhelming message … seems to be..’
    The floodgates are open. We are in an era of ‘news as views, and views by allusion’. What ‘seems to be’ trumps what is.
    As Mr. Esler epitomises atop his ‘Moses supposes’ colleague elsewhere…
    ‘..perhaps it’s telling on him…perhaps he smokes and drinks too much as well..’

    Perhaps. But whatever it is, it isn’t reporting.

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  3. Albaman says:

    “Nigel Farage was recently set upon by Scottish nationalists who serenaded him with offensive, racist chants which included ‘you can stick your Union Jack up your a***’ and ‘go back to England, you’re not welcome here’. ”

    Not a promising start. Farage was not “set upon”, he was heckled by those who are against his party and their policies.

    Two of these “Scottish nationalists” were arrested by Police Scotland. One of them was English. A further two demonstrators when interviewed on a Scottish news programme said that they had driven up that day with others from Newcastle to heckle Farage.

    You go on to suggest that the SNP, Salmond and the wider “Yes” movement are anti-English. I take it you have evidence of this from the SNP manifesto, comments Salmond has made or from the activities and campaign material of the “Yes” movement.

    Farage and UKIP’s policies are “alien” to Scotland. Not alien in the sense of being foreign as you assert but alien in the sense that many Scot’s view UKIP’s polices as “unfamiliar and disturbing or distasteful”.

    You conclude by quoting a 1999 Opinion Poll carried out by the Daily Record (a pro-union, pro-labour tabloid). What recent evidence that “Many people in Scotland are anti-English” do you have?

    Over the last 37 years I have worked with English colleagues. For around 3 years I worked and traveled extensively in England and made many friends. I have relatives who currently live in England and some who are English by birth. I have never met anyone who is anti-English. I do know may who are anti-Westminster rule but that is a totally different thing.

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    • Alex says:

      Albaman, if you are denying that there is a huge anti-English element in Scotland, I can only assume that you either do not reside in Scotland, are lying or deluded. I have lived in Stornoway, Edinburgh, Falkirk and Inverness and have made many Scottish mates… I know the country inside out and can tell you that anti-English sentiment IS VERY REAL – you simply cannot with any credibility deny it exists.
      I’ve never had aimed at me because I simply dismantle any Scotsman who would dare try it, but I have witnessed it and heard in pubs during football and rugby matches. Now I’m not saying it’s the majority and I think it’s got a lot better since I first moved here, but the SNP are, at their core, anti-English… it’s simply undeniable!

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      • London Calling says:

        “I have never met anyone who is anti-English”
        Haaaahaahaaaahaaaahaaaa!
        Last shred of credibility gone there, if ever there was any. All you have told us is by that statement is you move in a blinkered insular circle without contact of a reasonable cross section of opinion. It also tells us you mistake your own tiny fragment of experience for “reality”.

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      • *whispers* says:

        Perhaps it’s not really anti-English sentiment and just general antipathy towards you?

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        • Alex at work says:

          *whispers* – Well done for mastering the art of typing with one finger. That’s a big improvement for you.

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      • Doublethinker says:

        Having lived in Scotland for many years I think that there is a knee jerk anti English feeling but that for most Scots it doesn’t run very deep and is usually more about sport than anything else, which I think is quite understandable, natural and healthy.
        Of course this feeling could perhaps be fanned into something much darker and nastier by unscrupulous politicians if they got on an anti English band wagon. Mr Salmond needs to be careful.

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      • Albaman says:

        “Do I or Don’t I Sing Flower of Scotland? What’s Important is Helping George Win
        The Sunday Times, 23 March 2008.
        Douglas Alexander interview with Terry Butcher on the subject of the latter’s appointment as assistant to Scotland manager George Burley, in which Butcher is quoted, “I never hide away from the fact that when Scotland got knocked out of World Cups in the past, like in 1982 and 1986 and 1990, we cheered the roof off, the England team did that, but George has asked me to do a job for him and that’s something I want to do”.

        Yes, we are so anti-English that he currently manages Inverness Caledonian Thistle.

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    • Wild says:

      “I have never met anyone who is anti-English”

      You are either a liar or an idiot.

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    • lojolondon says:

      Albaman, you always lie, but this line of yours is so completely transparent – it really takes the biscuit. How many times have we heard from a Scottish person “I support whoever is playing against England”. It goes from there. Simples.

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      • Andrew says:

        Remember the vandalism at the old Wembley in 1977? Scotland had beaten England at football; fans invaded the pitch, climbed onto and snapped the goal posts, and dug up spoonfuls of the turf to take home as souvenirs. And all that was just within the stadium, there was quite a party in the steets too.

        Their manager of the time, Ally McLeod, said: “It’s not so much that I hate the English, I just can’t stand their guts.”

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        • Albaman says:

          In a sporting context it is not difficult to understand supporters being less than ambivalent towards their oldest and closets rivals. Do you really think that Manchester United fans were rooting for Manchester City in their recent FA Cup Final against Wigan?

          If the behaviour of football fans is the barometer of who a nation is against or otherwise then history suggests that England has more to worry about than Scotland.

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          • Andrew says:

            The BBC double standard allows Scottish, Irish or Welsh supporters to vent nationalist feelings against England without much comment, but is uneasy about English nationalism against Germany, France or anyone else. It seems to me to be the same thing, and it’s all a question of how far you take it, how aggressive it becomes. But, logically, it can’t be worse for English supporters to behave badly than for any others. And it can’t be worse for English people still to feel some national pride.
            Ally McLeod once said: “It’s great to be Scottish, you know”. Is it even “ok” to be an English patriot in the eyes of the BBC? Or do the English bear an ‘original sin’ that can never be forgiven?

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            • Albaman says:

              I have no difficulty with those who have pride in their nation. The argument here is that by doing so the Scot’s are by default anti-English. It is the false assertion that by being pro-Independence you must be anti-English that irks.

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              • David Preiser (USA) says:

                Albaman, you’ve just hit on the main complaint here about the BBC’s portrayal of English national pride. Except for during sports events, the St. George Cross is considered a racist symbol, as if anyone expressing pride in English heritage outside of a soccer game is by default anti-anyone with brown skin. Even as an ignorant foreigner I can tell that what irks people here is the assertion that by being proud to be English one must be racist. Tarring everyone with the acts of a Tiny Minority™, so to speak.

                There is a double standard.

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          • Alex says:

            ‘… that {sic} England has more to worry about than Scotland.’ Of course, we’d better not mention Rangers and their visit to Manchester a few years back during which over 300, 000 drunken Scottish fans rampaged through the city causing mayhem!

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            • Albaman says:

              You mean the Rangers FC whose fans are pro-union, loudly proclaim their allegiance to the Queen, take pride in wearing England shirts and have a stated ambition of playing in the English league.
              Do not dispute that fact that they shamed their country (whichever one each individual came from) but hardly a great example of anti-Englishness.

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              • Alex says:

                Incidentally, I know several Rangers fans who are pro-Independence and actually support whoever is playing against England. And I was using the above reference purely as an example to reject your comment regarding England fans. By the way, doesn’t Alex Salmond want to keep the Queen as Head of State? Presumably, therefore, he’ll no doubt be swearing ‘one’s’ allegiances in the future.

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    • Albaman says:

      My original post appears to have generated a number of personal attacks. Strangely those making the comments fail to address the key point:
      Where is the evidence that “the SNP, Salmond and the wider “Yes” movement are anti-English”. Are you able to evidence this claim “from the SNP manifesto, comments Salmond has made or from the activities and campaign material of the “Yes” movement”.

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      • Guest Who says:

        Interestingly, given the off topic of semantic distinctions, some media do also seem to have moved the word ‘attack’ in to headlines usage too when it suits, and often when no more than ‘taking an alternative view’.
        These would fall under correct useage IMHO:
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/pearl_harbour_01.shtml
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21772596
        This… not so much…
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19046448

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        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          Calling someone an idiot and deluded, and making a remark about typing with one finger is a bit more than “taking an alternative view”, no?

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          • Wild says:

            David, look at the letters in brackets after your name to remind yourself that you do not live in this country before making judgements about the rightness or wrongness of calling somebody a liar (or an idiot) if they live in Scotland and claim never to have experienced anti-English sentiment.

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            • David Preiser (USA) says:

              Wild, please notice that I didn’t mention calling somebody a liar. I purposely avoided doing so not only because I’ve done it when I believe it’s accurate, but because that’s not really the same thing as basic name-calling. My personal geography has nothing to do with that.

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              • Wild says:

                Fair point

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              • Alex says:

                David while I respect your posts, on this occasion you evidently don’t understand how heated the relationship between Scotland and England is; you need to live here to experience it. As stated, I have witnessed how nasty anti-English sentiment is in Scotland and am sick of the biased anti-English BBC. Albam, in his assertions, is simply speaking nonsense I’m afraid – I feel very strongly about this to be honest. And it’s difficult supply evidence, as Albaman requests, when much of the evidence is involves verbal abuse in pubs, clubs, offices and places of work.
                Thousands of English have had to move away from Scotland because of bullying – it’s been on the news countless times… again I know those who have been subjected to this in person – young kids as well. And if someone chooses to changer their name on this blog and make buffoonish comments regarding ‘antipathy’ towards me then I will respond accordingly.

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                • David Preiser (USA) says:

                  Alex, whether or not I can understand the heated relationship is irrelevant. While I can appreciate the anger on this issue, name-calling is not the same thing as disagreement, period. Disagreeing with the way someone disagrees, so to speak, is not the same thing as denying someone’s right to disagree, or even necessarily denying that someone is right.

                  We seem to have this discussion a lot on this blog.

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                  • Wild says:

                    I believe that if you live in Scotland, and hand on heart declare that you have never noticed any anti-English sentiment, it is fair to describe you as unobservant to the point of stupidity, a word which has idiocy as one of its synonyms.

                    I admire your politeness David, and generally agree with your observations, but sometimes you sound as if you have just got off the Mayflower.

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          • Guest Who says:

            I didn’t of course. I merely pondered the use, and possible over-use, of a word, especially as a faux shroud.
            Every thing is relative, yes?
            Some may think ‘You really do spout some crap’ is a bit over-robust in exchanges… an attack even; some may feel it reflects worse on the person using it and let it wash over them.
            Some may feel being accused of something they clearly didn’t say or do as more damning of the accuser and use mockery in counter; some may get on their indignant high horse and seek more to distance themselves than show solidarity.
            Albaman’s status as ‘attack’ victim could fall anywhere, probably, but it may help if he were consistent.
            But as you appear to feel he and his selective passive-aggression is a unique for you to run interference for, I leave you to each other to enjoy Stockholm together.
            It is, as you seem keen to bring up, more your pitch than mine. But rewarding attrition grade agents provocateur may see complications down the line.
            I look forward to your next calm, considered response when ScottM pushes your buttons more than you feel warranted.

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            • David Preiser (USA) says:

              WTF? No, everything is not relative, and this is obfuscation. I’m not rewarding anybody. Do you not see the difference between disagreeing and calling somebody an idiot or making snide remarks about typing with one finger?

              And I object to your comment about my possible response to a future insult from Scott. I don’t call him names or engage in personal abuse of that sort. If you can’t distinguish between name-calling and robust, even aggressive (as he’d put it) argument, I don’t know what to tell you.

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              • Guest Who says:

                Using acronyms may satisfy your personal multiple standards, but hardly elevate your argument.
                And if you can’t see that firewalling a person who snarls or mews to order is blinkered, then you perhaps should get off ‘telling’ folk how to behave, as you did know how in the other thread.
                Your objection is noted. Ban me too if that’s what you think will help get this site the way you think it should be. I don’t have multiple avatars ready or the perversity to remain if not wanted by ‘management’.
                Seems like they have succeeded in creating cracks, and you are not just letting but abetting them.

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                • David Preiser (USA) says:

                  WTF is not the same thing as calling you a name. Apples and oranges, not a double standard at all. I’m not firewalling anyone, and it’s offensive for you to suggest that I’d ban you. It’s silly to claim that I’m aiding any defender of the indefensible, as you know all too well that I debate with them as much as anyone.

                  I’m sure Albaman and our Veggie buddy with the multiple personalities are having a nice laugh at us bickering about this, so I’m going to abandon it in the interests of stopping the divide and conquer opportunity. We must not fight amongst ourselves too much, as this stuff doesn’t help the blog at all, or convince lurkers to engage in a positive manner.

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                  • Guest Who says:

                    I agree with your final sentiment.
                    In in that spirit will refrain from commenting further.
                    Good luck to you and the others with the site.

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  4. Alex says:

    Folks, having worked and lived in Scotland for more than seven years now I can provide you with all the information you need regarding SNP fascism, racism and primary school political debate. The majority of Scots are the salt of the Earth, ye couldnae ken a better lot, as they say. But then there’s the Braveheart-watching, kilt-wearing, desert boot-wearing buffoons who thing they’re better than the English; they are puerile, provincial, irritating beyond belief and completely blinded by their own arrogance… The BBC Scotland crew are saturated by these extremist Left neanderthals hence the media massacre poor ol’ Farage encountered. What is it my Dad used to say before he sadly passed away? ‘You’ll never meet a nicer person than a Unionist Scot. However, you’ll never meet a bigger a**hole than a Nationalist Scot! Very true, how very true!

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    • Expat John says:

      Used to live there, many years ago; still visit when I can.
      Couldn’t agree more with you.
      Had some great nights with p****d complete strangers in Glasgow, friendly, generous and Unionist to a man (and woman). Same in Aberdeen, too.
      Insulted almost to the point of violence in Dundee, although that bunch weren’t exactly unionists.
      Don ‘t wish to sterotype, but there is more than grain of truth in most stereotypes, which is why they exist.

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      • Alex says:

        Yep, the East coast is pretty bad – Kircaldy and Scumdee etc – as is Stirlingshire and Perthshire. I thought Highlands had its anti-English elements as well…

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  5. Will Jones says:

    Albaman: Despite some disagreements with my perception of your world view I have appreciated your posts. I do have two questions about your quibbles with Alan’s opinions in this post. The definitions of “set upon” that I have seen are “to attack violently”. Having viewed the videos I think this incident qualifies. Am I correct to think that your definition requires physical assault? Secondly, is it your contention that there are not “Many people in Scotland are anti-English”? If so would you then say that it would not be correct to say that “Many people in England are anti-Scottish”.

    Once again, thanks for your excellent observations.

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    • Albaman says:

      If Farage had been “set upon” then those arrested would have been charged with “assault” rather than with “breach of the peace”. Farage has not claimed that he was subject to any physical attack and as such the use of “set upon” by Alan is not correct..

      I agree that it would not be correct to say that “Many people in England are anti-Scottish”.

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  6. David Brims says:

    Billy Connolly is a nasty piece of work. As we all know, there’s the fake media image of ” like ability” and then there’s the reality.

    Several years he said of British hostage Ken Bigley held captive by muslim terrorists in Iraq ” I wish they would hurry up and just get on with it. I see Ken Bigley every morning on TV, and I’m disappointed that he’s not dead yet.”

    The very next day Ken Bigley was beheaded.

    Connolly fled the country, when confronted at the airport by journalists, he told them ” To F**K off.” That’s the real Connolly.

    Like I said, Connolly is a nasty piece of work.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-320535/Billys-sick-jibes-Bigley.html

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    • chrisH says:

      I agree.
      Connolly has dined out since he wore banana wellies for Parkinson, and dazzled the London elite with his tales of the shipyards back in the mid 70s.
      He was already unfunny by the time Pamela Stephenson did her Professor Higgins bit and made him even more unfunny-but with a foul mouth and some kind of airmiles agreement with the BBC. To go where the hell he liked on our tab in any contraption he could get us to fund. Not that we ever had a choice.
      So then-not funny, privileged tosser..but ….he`s right about Scotland and the SNP…and was prescient about them all up there in 1999…so if he teams up with Alistair Darling, then his life may not yet have been in vain!

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    • Joshaw says:

      Also badly cast in the film “Quartet”, in my opinion. However, I also found the film disappointing in other ways.

      He just played himself (what else can he do), albeit toned down a little. Apparently Connolly was third choice, after Albert Finney and Peter O’Toole. Classier acts all round.

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  7. David Brims says:

    Billy Connolly and ”composer” James McMillian are against Scots Independence. As we all know, there’s the good reason and then there’s real reason.

    Good reason = anti English racism

    Real Reason = Connolly and McMillan are of Irish catholic extraction , they grew up in the west of Scotland in the 1950s and 60s, where I suspect they suffered sectarian abuse, they don’t want Scots independence because they fear a Protestant Scotland, it might turn into Ulster’s Stormont, a protestant parliament for a protestant people.

    What they fail to grasp is that Christianity has collapsed and Islam is the new religion.

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    • Ian Hills says:

      I think much of the SNP’s aggressiveness towards England has its roots in Scots of Irish catholic extraction. The BBC fans the flames whenever it slags off Rangers in favour of Celtic, a dangerous thing to do in a place like Glasgow.

      bBC also sides with Sinn Fein/IRA against Ulster unionists, which is even more dangerous. It all serves to help break up the union, a necessary stage in the replacement of EU member states by regions solely accountable to Brussels.

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      • David Brims says:

        Glasgowgrad is not a Scottish city, just as Liverpool is not English. They’re Irish cities. Weird hybrid accent, chippy, bolshy, aggressive, radical Left population, everyone has a victimhood mentality, heavy drinkers, think they’re all ‘comedians’, Billy Connolly, Frankie Boyle, Paul O’Grady, Jimmy Tarbuck, the Beatles, Lennon and McCartney

        The old joke is, if you have one Irishman in a room, he”ll start a fight with himself, that explains the bar room brawling.

        Look at the Labour party, they’re either Irish extraction Jim Murphy, Dennis McShane, George Galloway or from Russia, Peter Mandelson, Milliband, Jack Straw, Margaret Hodge.

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        • Cosmo says:

          Dennis Mcshane is second generation Polish. Otherwise spot on.

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          • Cosmo says:

            Oh and Milliband is second generation Belgium. What’s with the Russia, is it a euphemism for the oldest hatred ?

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        • Lost Over There says:

          Denis McShane – do you men Denis Canavan? Retired Scottish labour MP for Falkirk

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    • Lost Over There says:

      What they perceive to be happening is not what is actually happening

      Witness recent comments from Salmon, claiming that there would be no Scotland without the RC church. A strange claim, since the church only grew in numbers after the Irish potato famine

      http://www.scottishchristian.com/alex-salmond-without-the-catholic-church-there-would-be-no-scotland/

      He was also willing to forgive Cardinal O’Brien for his alleged sex offences (no investigation? It’s nice to have powerful friends, especially if you’re a “persecuted” minority)

      Also, various claims by SNP stalwart Roseanna Cunningham that sectarianism is a problem that exist solely with the Protestants, specifically Rangers fans. A lie that the BBC is only too happy to perpetuate

      The Scottish Labour party have been at it for years, there is a very strong pro-Republican element to them (Galloway, Reid, Denis Canavan…), which leaves them in an awkward position – they want an independent Ireland, but their own country to remain in the Union? To what ends?

      Considering there are the two parties most likely to govern an independent Scotland, it is very unlikely this “Protestant Scotland” will emerge. It exists only in the minds of those with certain agendas, like MacMillan

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      • David Brims says:

        ”(Galloway, Reid, Denis Canavan…), which leaves them in an awkward position – they want an independent Ireland, but their own country to remain in the Union? To what ends?”

        They don’t see themselves as Scots, but Irish and hypocrites, they want independence for Ireland but not for Scotland, without Scotland, the Labour party would lose 50 seats at Westminister making it extremely hard to ever win a British general election again.

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  8. Teddy Bear says:

    I notice in the BBC article they are happy to quote Salmond’s opinion about Farage:

    The SNP said the UKIP leader had “lost the plot”.
    First Minister Alex Salmond said that Mr Farage’s accusation of a “hate campaign” from the BBC during the radio interview showed it would be a “great mistake” to take “somebody of that mentality with any degree of seriousness”.

    Now in any other circumstance where the BBC would have felt it served their interest they would have ‘balanced’ that comment with the following reminder about Salmond’s own mentality:
    Calls for Alex Salmond to say sorry for ‘Nazi’ slight

    FIRST Minister Alex Salmond faced accusations of an “ugly” smear campaign yesterday amid claims he compared a BBC executive to a Nazi official.

    Opposition parties called on the First Minister to withdraw the remarks, in which he also dubbed the broadcaster a “tinpot dictatorship”.

    The row comes after the BBC dropped Mr Salmond from its coverage of a rugby match between Scotland and England on Saturday.

    I mean any real journalist, who wasn’t engaged in promoting a specific agenda, would not be able to resist the ‘pot, kettle, black’ analogy.

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  9. Mice Height says:

    I expect tis has been posted on here before, but I’ve only just seen it:

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    • David Brims says:

      Esler ” Farage smokes and drinks.”

      Unbelievable.

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      • Joshaw says:

        Look at it another way – it means they’re stuggling to find ways to attack him.

        It was the same with M Thatcher – they attacked her through her family, and still do.

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      • will says:

        Has the BBC ever asked Mr Toad whether his judgement might be impaired by having gone too long since his last square meal?

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    • Guest Who says:

      He does have a bit of a reputation for ‘asides’, but that’s just Gavin being Gavin.
      And being he’s a BBC employee having them on the BBC, that they tend to err in certain unique directions is only to be expected.

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  10. The Highland Rebel says:

    As an ex member of the SNP I can safely say they are an ugly, ugly party who tolerate nothing and nobody outside their own narrow agenda.
    They regularly march hand in hand with Islamic terrorist organisations with banners calling for death, murder terrorism and genocide yet when groups like the Scottish Defence League try to march to counter them they are immediately banned by ‘law’
    Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP’s deputy leader, recently said that freedom of expression will not be tolerated under the SNP…such as in this demonstration over a Youtube clip, yes you read that correctly – a Youtube clip about Islam –

    They also spewed that racism is dead under the SNP. You wouldn’t have guessed it when you hear the SNP’s Sandra White ranting and raving.

    The SNP was founded by Nazi sympathisers who craved the day a triumphant Hitler would march into Scotland but today Islamic terrorists are their new role models.

    http://canaryinthecoalmine.typepad.com/my-blog/2011/05/scotland-goes-mad-for-islam.html

    As I said – ugly, ugly people in an ugly, ugly party.

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  11. stuart says:

    the fascism and racism of these far left facist scum in scotland comes as no surprise to me.these lot have hid behind the banner of anti racism and fascism just to hide there own racist and fascist ideologys for years,anti semtism is rife amongst the far left in england,anti englishism is rife amongst there far left cousins in scotland as nigel farage found out.

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  12. Colin E says:

    Its the police that seem to be part of the action also. I thought it was their duty to enable folk to go about their lawful business, which does not include the business of direct/indirect obstruction and/or abuse/threat. No, its very different to that and I suspect they would talk up the safety stuff. Their job as far as I am concerned is to sort through that little mob. I know they did an arrest or two but it has no effect really, particularly if they are let off with a nod and wink.

    So the Englishman was prevented from carrying out his lawful business. Ultimately the mob wins thanks to the police.

    I married into a Scots family in the 70’s and the anti stuff usually appeared from a few after the Bells came out. I had to leave. One of them worked for BBC Scotland (oh dear). SNP and old Scots Kings….very sad stuff.

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    • Joshaw says:

      “I married into a Scots family in the 70′s and the anti stuff usually appeared from a few after the Bells came out.”

      I know what you mean. My in-laws could be worse, to be honest, but it’s still there, beneath the surface. It emerges with surprising unpleasantness at times, often with that particular Scottish superiority complex.

      No excuse of hardship in their case, either.

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        There was even a scene in ‘Trainspotting’ with a moment of English-bashing. It was a weird non sequitur in the movie, but maybe it was more in context in the book.

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        • Albaman says:

          David, the full quote is Renton explaining why he does not like being Scottish. I have tried to copy it here but it is being rejected.
          In full it can be read here:
          http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Irvine_Welsh
          It ends: “Ah don’t hate the English. They just git oan wi the shite thuv goat. Ah hate the Scots. “

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          • David Brims says:

            Allbum

            ” They just git oan wi the shite thuv goat. ”

            I think my IQ went down after reading that inane gibberish. My goodness, from the lofty heights of Sir Walter Scott and Robert Louis Stevenson to the sewer of Irvine Welsh in 100 years.

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        • David Brims says:

          Don’t bother with Irvine Welsh, he’s nothing more than a foul mouthed moron who scribbles poverty porn ‘books’ wallowing in self pity.

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  13. Alan Larocka says:

    The fundamental fact is that Scotland is a Socialist Left-Wing country. If it left the UK it would erode Westminster’s Labour seats to allow a Conservative majority allowing England, Wales, & Northern Ireland to progress. Salmond was a member of the Marxist ’79 Group’ so his ideal vision of Scotland resembles post-war Eastern Europe – a vision he is well on his way to achieving.

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