The British Nightmare

 

 In 2004 David Goodhart wrote this:

Is Britain becoming too diverse to sustain the mutual obligations behind a good society and the welfare state?

Too often the language of liberal universalism that dominates public debate ignores the real affinities of place and people. These affinities are not obstacles to be overcome on the road to the good society; they are one of its foundation stones. People will always favour their own families and communities; it is the task of a realistic liberalism to strive for a definition of community that is wide enough to include people from many different backgrounds, without being so wide as to become meaningless.

And in the Guardian:   ‘Migration is now much easier than it used to be, and millions of people would come to live in Britain if they were free to do so; the left must abandon a romantic attachment to open borders and acknowledge that too much openness threatens many of the values it most cherishes.’

 

He says he was torn apart by many on the liberal left who favoured mass immigration and multiculturalism.

A more measured but still negative response came from Kenan Malik:

‘The real problem is not a surfeit of strangers in our midst but the abandonment over the past two decades of ideologically based politics for a politics of identity. The result has been the fragmentation of society as different groups assert their particular identities – and the creation of a well of resentment within white working class communities who feel left out.’

 

Malik, in 2013, is still opposed to Goodhart and the theories in a new book Goodhart has written about immigration, The British Dream, and any discussion about immigration…the real problem not being numbers but management:

‘Goodhart’s three key themes – the gap between the elite and the masses, the erosion of social solidarity, and the problems of multiculturalism – are all crucial issues to address. The trouble is, we cannot begin to address them until we stop being so obsessed by immigration.

The real issue, in other words, is not immigration, but the policies enacted to manage diversity.  And the real problem is not that government policy has been too laissez faire, as Goodhart suggests, but that it has been too cackhandedly interventionist.’

 

In The Guardian  responding to that new book by Goodhart, The British Dream:

‘Sadly, such is the myopic vision of misanthropes who live in fear of their country.’

 

 

The BBC though is prepared to give Goodhart a platform.  Not just once but at least three times to examine his thoughts….they may not like it but they can no longer ignore the issues completely….

On the Asian Network., on R4  two weeks ago along with a couple of immigrants…to provide ‘balance’, and now on ‘BOOKtalk’.

 

I can only think that Goodhart, being a Liberal from the Demos think tank,  is considered a safe bet when talking about immigration…A Liberal clearly can’t be racist, whilst racism is clearly the basis for everyone else’s desire to control immigration….though he has described his views as stemming from a  ‘post liberal attitude’.

 

He lays to rest the favourite myth of the Left…that Britain is a nation of immigrants…saying that since 1066 there has been essentially no immigration of any significance numbers wise.

The second myth he scotches is that there is an economic benefit from mass immigration…yes skilled immigrants, and immigration on a small scale can bring benefits but an open border policy doesn’t….and will destroy the welfare state system….schools, NHS, benefits, housing etc.

He says what is forgotten is the interests of the existing population and that we must encourage less zealous multiculturalism based on race or religious identity.

 

Britian, he says, is far more segregated than we realise….if we do not stop the mass immigration and fail to integrate new arrivals we will have a population that retreats into their own ‘tribes’ and that ‘public space’ will shrink…ie there will be ‘no go’ zones for different races and religions…and people will be more reluctant to pay into a state system that is seen to be paying out to people who hold them in actual contempt.

Life will be harsher, more violent with a racially divided nation.

 

That’s a vision of the future that the BBC has helped work towards…blindly supporting mass immigration, refusing to allow discussion about the consequences of immigration and refusing to accept that multi-culturalism means the death of a ‘Nation’…with all the conflict that entails.

 

The question is does the BBC even recognise its own role in all this?

Here is Nick Robinson investigating the effects of immigration:

‘While politicians are catching up with the public by debating how to limit immigration, people are increasingly asking questions not just about who should now be allowed to come here, but how to achieve integration in a society which has changed dramatically in recent years.’

So it’s only those politicians who get the complete blame then.  And where are the BBC’s questions about who should be allowed to emigrate here?

Unfortunately as you can see from Robinson’s report the BBC is still not prepared to come to a conclusion….Robinson sits on the fence..he said he ‘studied the impact of immigration’….but where is his conclusion?  There is none.

 

The BBC….paying lip service….but still avoiding the issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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59 Responses to The British Nightmare

  1. Chop says:

    One thing I have noticed about the so called immigration debate, is they openly discuss “Eastern European” immigrants…no problems with that, but they will not touch a certain group of “New British”

    THAT is the big debate…one that the Beeb & Politicians of all flavours swerve at all costs.

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    • Doublethinker says:

      Yes the BBC don’t are only slightly biased in favour of white immigration into the UK . In contrast they just can’t get enough of any other colours and creeds.
      Of course it is easier for a society to assimilate people of similar ethinicity and culture, but the BBC don’t really want the British to assimilate immigrants, they just want an end to old fashioned Britishness as soon as possible.
      So their policy is as many diverse immigrants as possible please to swamp Britishness and damn the consequences.

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      • It's all too much says:

        I ratrher think they are very much in favour of “the consequences”. That is until such times as they begin to be affected.

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      • colditz says:

        Evidence please.

        You won’t find any but repeating the same sad innuendo is a self defeating. But prove me wrong. I can wait.

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        • Ian Hills says:

          They can just about stomach talk of East European crime in Boston (big swing to UKIP in Lincs, especially Boston area).

          Moslem grooming in the Greater Manchester area is a little more tricky.

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        • hippiepooter says:

          Erm, ‘Colditz’. Maybe you should just call yourself ‘Ditz’. The evidence you request is provided here ad nauseum and repeatedly. You just prefer not to notice.

          Nice little Goebbels propaganda technique. You should get a job with BBC Gramsci.

          Maybe you already have?

          At the end of the day, Marxian ‘multiculturalists’ like you and racist bigots like Ian Hills have far more in common than you’d care to imagine.

          No love of freedom, no love of truth, only hate.

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        • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

          http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/02/uk-abdul-muhid-member-of-sharia-patrol-is-a-convicted-muslim-groomer-child-rapist.html
          Perhaps you would find your own evidence if you came across this arsehole patrolling his home turf and self regulating his version of sharia.
          You may mot be one of the first they come for, but in the end they will come for you. Then who will be left to say?

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          • Chris says:

            Colditz asked for evidence that the BBC actually ‘wants to end old-fashioned Britishness as soon as possible’. The link there has nothing to do with the BBC.

            Evidence please.

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            • stewart says:

              “Evidence please”
              What like the minutes of the last ‘common purpose’ strategy meeting?
              The evidence is in what they do,rather than what they say.
              From ‘mixed Britannia’ through ‘wear a burqa for a day’ to their latest uncritical advocacy for polygamy.
              Their deconstructionist agenda is clear to all but those who wont see, or those who wont admit to its existence for their own ideological reasons.

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  2. Maturecheese says:

    Lets just hope that the surge in UKIPs popularity continues as no other party can be trusted on immigration as they have proved time and time again.

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  3. George R says:

    “How Labour threw open doors to mass migration in secret plot to make a multicultural UK”
    By JAMES SLACK (2010).

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249797/Labour-threw-open-doors-mass-migration-secret-plot-make-multicultural-UK.html#ixzz2SQoyStCG

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  4. George R says:

    “How Multiculturalism Took Over America”
    By Lawrence Auster (2004).

    [Excerpt]:-

    “… let us imagine a scenario in which a Western cultural group—say a large population of Italian Catholics—moved en masse into a Moslem country and demanded that the host society drop all public observance of its majority religion and redefine itself as a multicultural state. When the Moslems react in fear and outrage, the Catholics answer: ‘What are you so uptight about, brothers? In challenging Islam’s past exclusionary practices, we’re not threatening your religion and way of life, we’re enriching them.’ Of course, as even the multiculturalists would admit, such ‘enrichment’ would change Islam into something totally unacceptable to the Moslem majority.”

    http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=12269

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  5. colditz says:

    The problem with these pointless discussions about people who are already living and in most cases contributing to the UK is that no solution is offered by the far right. Lots of blame and conspiracy nonsense.

    So maybe the experts here could enlighten us all on what will happen to all these New Britons? Or do you all actually accept they are here to stay, like it or not, so let’s get on with making them and their kids feel part of Britain and British.

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    • Reed says:

      “so let’s get on with making them and their kids feel part of Britain and British. “

      There’s nothing much we can do about those who are already here, apart from making sure that we return those who break our laws back to their place of origin.

      But your quote reveals the problem we face – that the scale and rapidity of the recent flood of immigration is making the integration process extremely difficult, and in some places absolutely impossible. This is why sensible, limited immigration is so important, not just for those coming, but most of all for US, the locals, who are required to accomodate newcomers.

      When we are essentially importing entire communities wholesale into our midst, they can remain isolated from the rest of the country and culture, and remain in their own insular township. Add to this equation the suffocatingly ubiquitous mantra of ‘multiculturalism’, which places no burden on the newcomers to even bother to ‘ feel part of Britain and British’, and WE have a huge problem brewing for future generations to deal with. “Deal with how, exactly?” It’s a question I’d like asked of the geniuses who allowed this to happen, deliberately. They continue to pretend there’s no problem. Most know differently.

      The issue now is not what was done in the past – that, unfortunately, is a rotten New Labour legacy that we must all deal with. The urgent issue now is to make sure that this never happens again in the future – to ensure that we return to the sensible and customary policy of the past, where limits were placed on immigration – where the rights, wishes and needs of British citizens were placed above those of the rest of the World. If we are to do this, we must be able to talk openly about the abject failures of the recent past. Those who ignore history etc…

      We can’t cope with a continued flood (yes, flood) like the last decade. We’re drowning here.

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    • chrisH says:

      You are an aimless controversist Coldie boy.
      Did you actually READ what Andrew Neathers point was in George Rs article link above…do you for one moment even check on Lawrence Austers notions as outlined above as well?
      Open your mind…stop being so “reactionary” so reflexly-gullible..and read it.
      The last Labour shower used open door immigration as policy to ensure majority postal votes for ever…and to ensure that white indigenous workers would be rendered unemployable due to higher wages, and simply not having the skills having been warehoused in Labours schools.
      I know it`ll not register colditz, but at least those references are there, come the day when the penny drops.

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    • Andy S. says:

      Contributing to the UK? If you mean third world political corruption, increased crime, more indigenous unemployment, over-subscribed schools and health service, degeneracy of our once beautiful language, then yes mass immigration has contributed to British society. But if you mean contributing in an economic and cultural sense then Colditz is wide of the mark.

      Recent independent studies have shown economic benefits are, at best, neutral. How much sterling is sent overseas? Every town and city with large migrant populations has seen the growth of overseas banking businesses, created largely to cater for the transference of sterling to families of immigrants still living in their homelands. Also benefits, particularly Child Benefit, have been transferred (legally under E.U. Law) to many Eastern European countries.

      Sorry Colditz, all I’ve seen from Labour’s unlimited immigration policies is the fracturing and ghetto-ising of British society, as was fully intended by the Left

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    • TigerOC says:

      Colditz; You and most British people have no conception of what multiculturalism is or means which is why there are so many problems with its application here and no solution in an ancient and established society.

      I have lived most of my life in multicultural societies and the very first thing you MUST realise is that people do not WANT to integrate into someone else’s culture. They are very happy with their own culture and traditions.

      Based on the above in order for multicultural societies to survive and thrive there must be mutual acceptance and appreciation of different cultures. This means ensuring that people understand and appreciate why people of a different culture behave and react in a different way to things. A very good example of this is Malasia. They had major conflicts there well into the 1960’s until they accepted the fact that they had to co-exist. The main areas of conflict revolving around Chinese control of business and politics if memory serves.

      In the British context most left leaning liberals, like yourself, get a warm fuzzy feeling from demonstrating your acceptance and welcome of strange cultures into your midst without the real appreciation of the commitment you are making.

      These new arrivals want all the benefits of a 1st World state. They want to come here and have come here and been welcomed because the same opportunities do not exist where they come from. They have no desire to integrate. They want to continue living their own traditional life and speak their own language whilst enjoying the privileges bestowed by our way of life.

      You either accept that the country WILL be carved up into cultural enclaves co-existing alongside one another or accept that some point there is going to be serious violence because the the indigenous population is going to resent the erosion of the land and culture.

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      • hippiepooter says:

        All great posts, and Colditz will continue to claim there are no arguments being made to avoid them.

        If he engages argument he loses. That’s why he loves the BBC for styming the arguments on the issue.

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      • ROBERT BROWN says:

        All correct. As the saying goes, ‘Birds of a feather flock together’. Not pithy, on the button. Hence Braggs move to Dorset, the filthy hypocrite.

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      • Sir Stamford Raffles says:

        Yes, me too. 25 years (total) in 5 countries in SE Asia. No-one wants to mix. The idiocy and ignorance of Western liberals in thinking they would in Britain and the West is staggering.

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    • Paul Weston says:

      Colditz, you fail to see the obvious. The entire West is being transformed by intended racial and cultural fragmentation. The hard-left has spent decades undermining us by dint of setting group against group. The working class against the “bourgeoisie” in class war. Feminists against men, families, children and traditional women in the gender war, and race against race and culture against culture in the main war.

      The hard-left have always sought to bring about division with one social sector the oppressed, the other the oppressor. This was set out in the 1930s by the Communist International simply because they recognised the West could never succumb to Communism without a genuinely divided and destabilised society.

      This is why multiculturalism encourages immigrants to retain their culture rather than slowly adopting our own, whilst being constantly told the white man is guilty of all sorts of historical oppression.

      This will lead to genuine war within decades, just as the left planned. Out of economic/social chaos and anarchy will arise Communism to sort the whole mess out, or as Karl Marx put it: “I shall stand astride the wreckage a colossus.”

      You will notice that whilst Western Europe was importing the third world from the late 1950′ onwards, Eastern European Communist countries allowed no third world immigration at all…..

      Why do you think that was the case?

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      • George R says:

        “The Genocidal Racism of Left-Wing Extremists”

        By Paul Weston.

        (March, 2013).

        http://paulweston101.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/the-genocidal-racism-of-left-wing.html

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        • Andrew says:

          Based on my experiences of working with younger White British people, in an office job in the first decade of the 2000s, I would be more optimistic than Paul Weston, whose article and post above were still excellent.
          Many of these young people (<25) were capable workers, even if their cultural level was not high. Yet there were flashes of insight and realism that I would not expect from brainwashed people. State Schools clearly had not removed their capacity to think:
          A couple of girls, working away and only chatting briefly, recounted some criminal case in the local paper and agree that the sentence had been far too short for the violence used! A lad opposite me wondered if the "Question Time" audience was manipulated, as people would applaud "any old Left-wing crap". A boss noted that the local MP was "one of them" and could not be trusted on immigration.
          Also remember that some kids tend to react against school, or at least ignore it and do the minimum necessary. Our word was "boring" back in the 1970s, when we just wanted to kick a ball around instead! I have heard young women parrot out the officially approved line on Mary Seacole, e.g. in a "Woman's Hour" discussion on who should be featured on the banknotes last week. But others will think the opposite of what they are told, whether that is nationalistic and conservative or internationalist and Marxist.
          Parents are vital in saving children from the over-mighty State by just talking to them about the past at home, and the Internet and popular right-of-centre papers give a better view of reality than the BBC, NUJ and NUT brainwashing.
          So the future is frightening … but the game is not over yet!

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      • Dante's Inferno says:

        The Warsaw Pact didn’t even let its own citizen have passports in order to travel, let alone grant them to outsiders. Also, the Eastern European Countries had no African or Asian ex-colonies from which to draw such citizens and-perhaps most importantly-these countries struggled to meet even the most basic needs of their own people. The Eastern Bloc was a place to get out of, not get in to.
        Life was so grim in Romania under Ceausescu that people were desperate to escape by any means. Pretending to be Jewish, and by doing so, being allowed to emigrate to Israel was not unheard of.

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    • hippiepooter says:

      Oh my goodness ‘ditz, who are you trying to kid?

      One key stepping stone to ‘being British and part of Britain’ is the desire to assimilate.

      People who are on the far right like Ian Hills have no desire to see this, neither do people on the far left like you. You promote multiculturalism and ‘diversity’ to destroy Britain. It is the hate that dare not speak its name for BBC far left correctnicks like you.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      But, colditz, nobody on your side is actually making “them and their kids feel part of Britain and British”, are they? Of course, that depends on what you mean by those terms.

      I find myself wondering just how close your view resembles that of Mark Mardell’s take on what it means to be American. Could you elaborate?

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  6. George R says:

    Mark Steyn interviewed on Danish TV:-

    ( 8 mins )

    http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=25762

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  7. Mice Height says:

    Hideous!

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    • Reed says:

      Fascinating footage – wonderful vehicles!

      Thanks for the link.

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    • Demon says:

      Wonderful film. Thanks.

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    • Span Ows says:

      fantastic, very moving in fact.

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    • Andrew Neather says:

      There, that’s better!

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      • pah says:

        What a catchy tune. Better not hum it at work though. Might be mis-interpreted.

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      • London Calling says:

        Andrew Neather? Joke? Not HerneHillAndy former barsteward of the Independent LondonEvening Standard, bean-spiller on the Labour Plan to enrich Britain in the Pantone ReferenceColour department, and “grow your own Labour voters”?

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    • hippiepooter says:

      Thanks, the England, the Britain, that we love and yearn for.

      Inspite of all the harm done, one thing remains about many of the immigrants who have come here since the 50’s, they have a far better idea of what it means to be British and far greater love for Britain than self-loathing ‘Brits’ like ‘Ditz.

      Are the Marxist Left going to succeed in destroying our great nation where Hitler failed? At the moment it looks that way, but hope yet breathes for Albion. …

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      • colditz says:

        I’m not English. So that means I can’t be British? Could someone tell David Vance he’s wasting his time as well.

        Being British is not being English. And no I don’t yearn to be English! Or scottish. Or Welsh, I;m an Ulsterman. An Irish Brit. Just as you could be a Chinese Brit or Sikh Brit.

        Pity you can’t see it.

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        • hippiepooter says:

          As long as you understand what you’re talking about I guess that’s the main thing.

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          • Joshaw says:

            I think it has something to do with an Ulsterman lecturing everyone else on tolerance.

            Something like that, anyway.

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  8. London Calling says:

    Funny how black becomes white.
    When South Africa favoured “separate development” it was howled down as Racism” When Multiculturalism and the retention of foreign identity becomes an article of faith of the left – well, spot the difference.

    Remember : 800 million Africans would enjoy a “better life” moving through Britain’s Commonwealth open door under Cameron. Lets pretend its all about (white) Poles and the EU. No mention of medieval rural Pakistan and the hordes of Africa. That might cause Labour MPs to jump up and down and cry racism. The Left are prisoners of their own falsehoods.

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  9. Colditz says:

    I’ve lived in London for 30+ years. My neighbours include Londoners, English, Irish, Scots, Indian, Greek, Turkish, W. Indian, Vietnamese and recently Easter Europeans. They all jolly along together and their kids who are mostly born here potter about together. But London was always the same. The hate towards recent immigrants is no different to what the Irish received for years. I’ve been subject to anti-Irish abuse myself when I first arrived. I was apparently responsible for Mountbatten’s murder despite having been in the Army! The arsehole was sacked for that. I’ve no truck with anyone blaming entire communities for the actions of nuts.

    Maybe if some posters here had a bit more self awareness they might understand how communities can feel when they read some of the hate messages posted on the web.

    I’m concerned about the integration of all the various groups into Britain. I’ve no time for religious extremists having left Belfast to get away from the hate that existed there. And that’s white Christains’. However, British as an identity has always evolved. It was never English but a mix of all the constituent bits of the population. It has always accommodated new influx’s. Last year’s Olympic ceremony was appreciated by so many as it showed a new Britain but with lots of the best bits of the old.

    The world is changing. I was in Barcelona recently and there were lots of Africans, Koreans and South Americans working in the shops and businesses. It’s the same everywhere. The age nation states of one ethnic type is over. The age of nation s with a set cultural attributes and beliefs is replacing it. The US, UK, NL and France are simply ahead of where the rest will be.

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    • Andrew says:

      Some thoughts: (1) The multicultural London metropolis is not and never was typical of the UK, any more than Paris is typical of France. Britons are free not to like modern London, which is both alarming and stimulating, and not to want more and more of the country to resemble it. (2) “They all jolly along together …” – can you really “jolly along” with a literal Islamic fundamentalism or a Black gang culture? Did you find the 2011 riots “jolly”? You are too optimistic. (3) “… how communities can feel when they read some of the hate messages …” – does this include the indigenous White people, correction “kuffars”, the targets of open Muslim abuse? (4) The BBC did a Radio 4 prog’ a while ago about Barcelona, mentioning the resentment that Catalan-speakers feel as Spanish-speakers from Latin America change the linguistic balance, never mind others with little grasp even of Spanish. (5) “The age of nations with a set [of] cultural attitudes and beliefs is replacing it.” What is this ‘set’? What if some of the imported attitudes go against long-standing and successful traditions? What if many UK people simply don’t want rapid social change forced on them by useless cowardly politicians and the EU?

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      • colditz says:

        The history of Brick Lane is typical of the movement and assimilation of people in the UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_Lane

        Its always happened. Of course change is frightening as you get older. But it’s happening globally at a pace.

        I see you are again making the error of condemning racial and religious groups on the basis of the extreme elements. The same hate was directed against the Irish in England when the vast majority had no interest or involvement in the IRA or UDA. You are very lucky never to have been discriminated against because of your background. Nor should you are anyone else ever be subject to it.

        Optimist? Of course. Better than the alternative!

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        • Andrew says:

          “You are very lucky never to have been discriminated against because of your background.” So, to the list of your talents, we must add … clairvoyance!

          I don’t like to moan or try to gain victim status ahead of others, but, as a matter of fact, I have been discriminated against at several times my life, at some cost to me financially and personally.

          Examples of victimisation that I (and many others, no doubt) have suffered include instances based on: accent, when moving to another region; hair colour, when darker than many others’; honesty, when among dishonest public servants; education, when among the less educated; perceived sexuality, though I’m not gay; being male, in a female-dominated work environment.

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    • Joshaw says:

      “I’ve no truck with anyone blaming entire communities for the actions of nuts.”

      “But London was always the same. The hate towards recent immigrants is no different to what the Irish received for years.”

      Bit of a contradiction there? As usual, your generalisations are permissible but other people’s aren’t.

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    • Iain Muir says:

      Being bombed is an emotive issue. You should understand “emotive”.

      The Chinese community in London has expanded in recent years but nobody seems to mind very much. I also believe someone has calculated that London is the world’s 6th largest French city. I can’t actually vouch for that but, the fact remains, we don’t have to endure Chinese or French bombs, or placards saying “Behead those who insult Taoism”.

      Go figure or, better still, just go.

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    • pah says:

      There are racist prats everywhere not just in England. Part of growing up is the realisation that not everyone loves you and some won’t be shy about it.

      It’s hardly surprising that Irish people, or Catholics at least, were tarred with the same brush as the IRA for the same reasons that Muslims are tarred with the same brush as Islamofascists. Even if you condemn the violence there will always be some for whom that just isn’t enough.

      The sins of the father are always visited on the sons. You know that even if you can’t bring yourself to admit it.

      It’s a fact of life that people like their own and no matter how civilised we are to each other there will always be barriers that either side is unwilling to cross.

      The problem with mass immigration (and we have never seen this level before) is that the barriers are getting bigger and bigger. Soon we won’t be able to cross them even if we want to. It’s for that simple reason that there has never been a truly multi-cultural nation. It’s an impossibility unless one culture is superior in law to the rest – and then is that truly multi-cultural?

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    • hippiepooter says:

      You seem determined to project ‘racism’ onto anyone who doesn’t view things the way you do. Is it to make yourself feel ‘morally superior’?

      If you genuinely believed half of what you said you would be on the same page more or less as most people here.

      Unfortunately there are a few pretty obvious BNP types, but it’s internetland. That’s the price to be paid for having an open forum, and I think most people who read comments here have the intelligence to discount what warped nutters whose blogs talk about the ‘Stephen Lawrence 2’ being innocent and his best friend Dwyaune Brooks is the real culprit, have to say. You’ll always get yoyos like that, it’s pretty cheap to try and make out they’re representative. If you were after constructive engagement you wouldn’t look to tar people with this unrepresentative brush.

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    • Dave s says:

      A very Eurocentric and typical liberal view. The future is going to belong to the nation states of East Asia and possibly a revived Russia.
      China, Japan ,a future united Korea and soon Burma, Vietnam and Cambodia are all about to take what we still feel is ours by right. A high standard of living allowing us to indulge ourselves in all sorts of nonsense chief amongst which is the current idiocy of liberalism, green mania etc.
      These nations are not the liberal dream states of multi ethnic and multi cultural. Japan and China in particular are cohesive peoples in a defined nation.
      Europe’s day is done. That is the way of the world but that does not excuse those Europeans who , out of a deluded belief in a idealised world and a complete absence of historical knowledge, allowed the destruction of the ancient nation states of Europe and the erosion of the cultural capital built over endless generations.
      I am tired of arguing with the liberal fantasists. Time to hold them to account. My grandchildren had the right to inherit my nation and my culture . This is not open to argument and the endless lies and sophistry of the liberal apologists are beginning to make me angry and , I suspect, very many of us feel the same.
      Did you really imagine that we would give England away?
      The votes for UKIP are just the start.

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  10. Bodo says:

    That has never been immigration on the scale we have had recently.It is an entirely bogus argument to pretend that current immigration is merely a continuation of what happened hundreds of years ago. Even if it was – immigration policy should be based on our current circumstances, not on some historical precedent… Saying; “well we had the Huguenots arrive, so I suppose we better open up our borders to all of Africa” – it’s just a stupid argument.

    Many of our towns and cities have been transformed in the last few decades and have an increasingly 3rd world nature about them. Tell me, when did the people of Bradford decide that what their city needed was to be “more like Pakistan”?

    Even if you accept the dubious ‘cultural benefit’ argument, the problem of sheer numbers overwhelms any benefit. Lack of housing is destroying the life hopes of an entire generation. Plus, of course, peessure on schools, health etc.

    There is no hatred involved in any of the mainstream anti immigration rhetoric, it is a question of simple straightforward practicality.The left invoke the bogeyman of “hatred” because they know they cannot win the argument if they are forced to address the practical aspects of an open door immigration policy.

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  11. London Calling says:

    Immigration or colonisation? The ingredients aren’t blending to well, Colditz. White flight says Trebor. Does that sound to you like happy rainbow nation? Burning resentment against Labour’s gerrymandering of Britain to grow their own Labour voters? Just get over it and accept your daughters being raped by Muslim gangs, Swedish style?
    If you think you have experienced “discrimination” as an Ulsterman don’t make me laugh. Have your neighbours had to move to avoid putting their kids in your local school?
    The accusation of “racism” was an attempt to frame objections to the the mongrelisation of Britain on Labour’s terms.
    It ain’t immigration people are objecting to, or racism, its colonisation we are objecting to. Go look up the difference – it’s in the numbers, and the intent.

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  12. stuart says:

    i am sick of this media bbc,sky news etc term to describe me and you as white british.i was born in england and i am white english simple as that.as for intergration,well what is wrong with me and you prefering to be with people of are own cultural and religious background,if your muslim you are applauded by the left when you say that.i never asked for mass immigration and domination by other cultures,i prefer being with people of my own kind and not people i have nothing in commen with regardless of there colour or religion.

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    • DP says:

      I’m English, not White English, the same way an Indian is ‘Indian’.

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