The BBC has been very happy to promote the comments of William Hague as being those of a “leading Eurosceptic”. Why? What has he ever achieved to merit such a reputation? He is quite clearly part of the Cameron rolling roadshow which pretends it is Eurosceptic but insists that the time for expressing such is never “quite right”. The BBC had Bernard Jenkin on here this morning and very eloquent he was. But is ensured that Hague got the prime time slot here from which he was able to propagate the leadership line that it is the “wrong time and wrong place” to even contemplate discussing our relationship with the EU. It strikes me the BBC delights in exposing Conservative splits on this issue but then again if Cameron had any guts he would stand up to EU propagandists like the BBC and ensure the will of the people was heard.

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44 Responses to HAGUE "THE EUROSCEPTIC"?

  1. George R says:

    Of course, SKY NEWS is fairer in representing a range of opinion on the E.U. vote, than is BBC-NUJ-Labour-EU.  
     E.g. Adam BOULTON’s programme on SKY NEWS is wide-ranging.  
    SKY gives its viewers ‘a vote’ here (scroll down)  
    “Tory MPs Set To Defy PM Over EU Referendum”  


  2. DJ says:

    If a Martian landed on Earth today, he’d think Parliament was discussing some girl called Tori Splitz.

    That’s what I keep saying: the BBC’s reporting fails even as journalism. The EU is a serious issue, not just because the it has a huge influence on British life and costs a bomb, but also because of the wider questions raised about democracy, the limits of government and the like. Meanwhile, our state broadcaster is determined to report it like a soap opera.

    If you didn’t already know the issues at stake, you’d be hard pressed to work it out from the BBC’s reporting.


  3. dave s says:

    The elites know how we really think so are getting desperate.
    The last government had a good go at changing the people. No doubt the coalition will now join them.
    Wretched English. They just do not think or behave as we their betters would like them to.
    It will take reality to finally end the elites intellectual tyrrany.


  4. George R says:

    HAGUE is a political hypocrite on British membership of the European Union; along with hundreds of other political hypocrites of all three British main parties, he supports UK membership, and opposes the promised referendum of the British people on membership of the E.U.  
    At the same time, Hague, Cameron, Milibands and Clegg, etc enthusiastically campaign for the entry of 80 million Muslim Turks into the E.U, and thereby for  the rapid Islamisation of the E.U and of Britain. And, of course, BBC-NUJ-Labour-EU supports it all too.  


  5. Reed says:

    The BBC – ever willing to promote the EU and more than happy to cause trouble for the Conservatives, however opportunistic. They are eager to frame this issue entirely as one of ‘Tory splits’, but give little coverage to the public’s overwhelming wish for a referendum or the huge and growing troubles within the EU that are self-evident.  
    This is a good article, with a video clip that demonstrates perfectly the BBC’s one-track approach to this issue :  

    It’s good to see that Mr. Hannan knows their game, and is willing to call them on it and not play along. Well Done. More like him please!!!


    • George R says:

      Well, except that HANNAN, Tory MEP, is a big Tory advocate (along with Cameron, Hague, etc.) for the Islamisation of the E.U through his advocacy of the entry of 80 million Muslim Turks.

      Similarly, the Labour  and Lib Dems ‘leaderships’ all go to Ankara to make such speeches and pledges to the Erdogan government, and these British politicians campaign vigorously for Islamisation of the E.U. and Britain in this way.

      Info on e.g. HANNAN:

      Daniel Hannan

      “Daniel Hannan is a founder member of the Conservative Friends of Turkey Association. The charter of this organisation commits it to lobby for Turkey’s accession to the EU.

      “Many people who feel left out of the political mainstream are attracted to Daniel Hannan because he dares to articulate a few unconventional points of view, particularly in relation to the European Union and Britain’s membership of it. They fail to see, however, that on issues such as immigration, islamification and Turkey’s prospective membership of the EU, Hannan is a fully-paid up member of the establishment he affects to rebel against.”



      • My Site (click to edit) says:

        ROBERT BROWN; Well, now i know how it feels to be betrayed by people you admired. Thank you George R for this, to me anyway, revelation. I am pretty sore about this, having admired his stabs at Brown. I shall give this traitor some evil stick from now on, and let others know too. How can he be so stupid, so starstruck with a cruel [Armenian massacres] and, to my mind, backward country. In any case, Turkey is Asia Minor, not Europe, their choice by conquest, renaming Constantinople Istanbul. Another one for the ‘get’ list.


  6. D B says:

    Nick Robinson’s description of Cameron and Hague as “profound Eurosceptics” caused much hilarity in my household this morning.

    The issue was also the topic of the R5L phone-in with Lord Liddle and Nigel Farage putting the respective pro- and anti-EU cases. Presenter Rachel Burden asked the Breakfast programme’s financial reporter Andy “Wake Up to Manny” Verity to explain the possible repercussions of  UK withdrawal from the EU. It would be an understatement to say that his rambling take on things was somewhat one-sided. At one point he told Nigel Farage that the UK needs to be in the EU for the sake of influence and even claimed that the euro has a been a success. It goes without saying that Verity did not argue the toss with anything Liddle said. On the contrary, he was there as back-up for the Labour peer. Listen here from about 13 mins in.

    And this is not the first time I’ve heard Verity sit in on an EU-related phone-in and offer nothing but pro-EU spin. He’ll do well at the BBC.


    • Bupendra Bhakta says:

      He’ll do well at the BBC, not because he knows his subject (because he doesn’t) but because he sucks the corporate you know what.


  7. Geyza says:

    It is never the wrong time to do the right thing!

    Suggesting that this is the wrong time for a distraction of a referendum is like saying that when you pull the knife out of a stabbing victim and the blood gushes out, that this would be the wrong time for the distraction of calling an ambulance.

    After all this country is now haemorrhaging money to save a fatally wounded Euro.


    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      ‘The wrong time’

      This seems almost a meme around the houses.

      I thought the Irish bloke on SKY was going to burst a gut laughing when Simon Hughes trotted out this, closely followed by the claim that ‘only a couple’ of his constituents had tasked him on the EU, but it was mainly the smug oaf made a bigger tit of himself bragging about his fluency in French.

      All the better to fit in once  welcomed in the fold, no doubt.


  8. Geyza says:

    By their actions shall you know them.  Hague is NOT a eurosceptic. The tory, labour and liberal front benches are filled with corrupt Europhiles.

    ALL three parliamentary parties are now substantially the same, although their supporters in the country are not aware of it.

    The three main parliamentary parties are all the same BBC loving, carbon hating, EU crawling, Islam praising, Pro immigration, politically correct, anti-British traitors.

    I am off to UKIP!


  9. As I See It says:

    Let’s not forget how the BBC would have enjoyed Labour winning a few more seats at the last election and then clinging on to power.

    So what would we have now? Gordon Brown and his chancellor Ed Balls heading a rainbow coaltion of Labour, Liberals, Greens, Sinn Fein and other Nats who had flunked every suggestion of public expenditure cut backs.

    On the positive side there would be union represenatives on the boards of our rapidly failing banks and lets not overlook the benefit of an indexed-linked TV Licence agreement – but on the negative side our dear leader would be going to Brussels to get in line behind Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy in the hope of getting our very own EU bailout.


  10. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Clive Myrie made to look like a fool by his News Channel producers again.  Stewart Wheeler from UKIP was on, quite pleased about the possibility of this vote.  Myries asked him (raising his voice, with an over-emotional tone, considering the state of the economy and rising unemployment, “Is this really the most important issue right now?”

    Dopey Beeboids not thinking about how being forced to pour more billions down the Europe drain might not be helpful to the state of the economy.  Anything to attack the anti-EU position.


  11. Roland Deschain says:

    “…if Cameron had any guts he would stand up to EU propagandists like the BBC and ensure the will of the people was heard.

    No, he wouldn’t, even if he had guts.  He doesn’t believe it is necessary to stand up to the EU or the BBC.  He’d just like the Tory grass roots to think he does.


  12. grangebank says:

    What`s all this about “promoting Britian`s interests in EUrope` and other such phrases which really means Doing The Best In The Horsetrading summits .
    I thought that the EU was about All In This Together and brotherly love thus no wars .
    If someone came back from church and you asked them how it was and they said they had “advanced their interests ” or had “influence upon the others in the congegration” you would think it a place of selfishness . Come to think of it you wouldn`t expect it from the chess club or rugby club .
    So is the EU something that every nation in it tries to get something for itself , sod the others , or every body chips in what it can ?
    Something the BBC could explain , if it didn`t have a soft loan from the EU .


  13. Reed says:

    What`s all this about “promoting Britian`s interests in EUrope`

    Purely an avoidance tactic.


  14. Grant says:

    R4 reporting all day that all Labour MPs will vote against the motion. No doubt, if any vote in favour, the BBC line will be ”  always been a maverick, not representative of the Party ….. ”   Blah, blah, blah …. 


  15. George R says:

    Another item for BBC-NUJ-Labour-EU to censor:  
    – Labour split on E.U!

    “Ed Miliband should fight to take Britain out of the EU”  
    Read more: http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/80965,news-comment,news-politics,ed-miliband-should-fight-to-take-britain-out-of-the-eu#ixzz1bivXaL2B


  16. cjhartnett says:

    Thanks to sites like this, none of us need go to the likes of Glasgow or Cardiff Media Schools to see what the BBC are up to here.
    1. Most of us want out of the EU and at any price near enough. No accounts signed off in its entire existance and its sinister hounding of Marta Andreasen and Rocco Buttiglioni show what an evil empire in embryo we have been saddled with.
    Undemocratic, out of control, unaccountable and dangerous.
    2. The chattering classes ,however ; just love this body language, rune-reading soft authoritarian hotch potch. Keeps the plebs out of things, and rewards the lickspittles and toadies ever so well…Polly, Cherie etc…much better for the ego to smear your smarm all over Europes capitals rather than settling for poisoning what remains of the water hole in Lincolns Inn…so parochial these days!
    3. Therefore the BBC-the Emu of Rod Hulls fantasies/…sees it as a political trial of strength…as if any of us give a damn.
    If Cameron gave us a referendum, he could leave Labour out of power for a generation. Instead, he would rather strut about as if he actually was able to “lead” anything…and , like that sloping class of nomarks that report his words and then put their ball bearings under his bandwagons-they can quibble over the bunfights and cat scratches that ensue.
    We know the reporting of all this is a handbag festival as run by Mr Barraclough of Slade Prison…we want out.
    And no BBC bawbie need bother their arse to tell me how the backbenchers etc are seeing it…no referendum?…get ready for the coming storms then!


  17. George R says:

    John REDWOOD points out  the truth about HAGUE:  
    “Mr Hague denies a referendum and supports our membership of the EU on current terms”

    By johnredwood



  18. Jeff Waters says:

    Why did I have to find out the result of the vote from Twitter whilst watching the BBC news channel? 

    Given all the fuss the Beeb have been making about this vote, you’d have thought they’d have provided live coverage!




  19. George R says:

    ” William Hague and David Cameron are about as euroskeptic as José Manuel Barroso.”




    • graham duck says:

      A Euro sceptic PM who believes it’s right to admit Turkey to the EU. A really “conservative” approach that?….yeah right on Dave! Dooohhhhhhh…
      Boot out these traitors before it’s too late.


  20. George R says:

    “The 81 Conservative MPs who voted for a referendum”


    As for the massed ranks of the Labour, Lib Dem and Tory MPs who denied the British people a referendum, UKIP’s Nigel Farage has a comment:

    “We Should Not Forgive Them”



  21. Jeff Waters says:

    Why is the BBC still banging on about yesterday’s vote?

    I know it’s a novel idea, but why can’t they focus on today’s news today?



  22. David Preiser (USA) says:

    BBC News Channel now saying that it’s “extraordinary” that such a “rebellion” has taken place 18 months into a Government.  This is Cameron’s own fault, really.  Any more Tory Split noise can be blamed on him.


  23. David Preiser (USA) says:

    At last, Sopel told Dougie Alexander that Labour was just as bad about Europe because the majority of the public wants to vote on it.  Of course, that’s in between lengthy attacks from Alexander about Tory Splits, etc., and no mention of a certain previous Government reneging on promises about this either.

    But Alexander took the exact same position as Hague (not in our best interests, blah, blah), so it doesn’t really make Labour look any better than the Tory leadership.  BBC producers need to figure out a different angle.


    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      Alexander has proven an opportunsitic hypocritical talking head on just about everything, but has usually been given the time of day to now.

      This must have been a rude surprise.

      Hope a YouTube appears.


      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        I didn’t see Alexander’s position on Europe as a surprise.  He was pro Europe, as expected. Sopel missed an opportunity to hit Labour a second time about not being in tune with the public.  The point of the segment, though, was Tory Splits, and Cameron’s leadership trouble.  If anything, this vote showed that many Tory MPs are listening to the public, while the Tory leadership and most of of Labour are not.  
        But that would detract from the Tory Split/Cameron is a poor leader agenda.  It’s quite the condundrum for the Beeboids:  How to push the Narrative of weak Tory leadership and trouble below stairs without giving too much credence to the notion that the majority of the public want out of Europe. Which would mean that the BBC is very out of step with the public.


        • Reed says:

          I agree, David. Except that the BBC don’t seem to have any problem at all pushing the ‘Tory splits’ narrative without causing any trouble with regard to their sympathies for the EU and Labour. They simply make little mention of the public’s overwhelming desire for a referendum and therefore need make no mention at all of Labour’s complicity in the denial of one. Why make trouble for either when you can ignore both.


  24. Richard Pinder says:

    My only sympathy for the Tories is that the BBC framed the issue as Tory splits when it should have been 74 percent of Tory MPs put two fingers up to the public but 93 percent of Labour MPs and 98 percent of Liberal MPs did the same.


    • Reed says:

      Exactly, Richard.
      That’s the point that needs to be made, over and over again. There may have been ‘splits’ in the Tories, but at least some of them did the right thing. Labour and the Libdems as a whole conspired to deny the public their right to a voice. We won’t forget.


  25. Jeff Waters says:

    ‘Backbenchers do not trust the prime minister, the coalition and Whitehall to deliver.’

    Nick Robinson – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15442765

    I’m not happy about this:

    A.  How is last night’s vote relevant to the issue of trust? The MPs who voted against the government did so based on the issue at hand, not because they mistrusted the government.

    B.  It is a personal opinion presented as fact.

    C. If he wants to address the issue of mistrust amongst backbench MPs, maybe Mr Robinson should look at whether Labour & Lib Dem backbenchers have complete faith in their leaders.



    • hatethebias says:

      I have to say that on this point I agree with Nick Robinson. It is quite obvious that Cameron has so often promised Tory backbenches he is “about to do something” about repatriating powers back to the UK that they no longer believe him, particularly when incremental moves are occuring in the other direction on a regular basis. Listen to his speech prior to the debate – pure “jam tomorrow”. I am afraid that I now treat these sort of anouncements with a pinch of salt. Actions speak louder than words.


  26. cjhartnett says:

    In BBC world…anything to the right of Ken Clarke is a right wing zealot, so no surprise that Hague would be such…him and his “Save the Pound” stuff of 2001 has made him a mortal enemy of the Established Smartypants that run the political-media circuses-who rage at their embarrassment over the Europlot now being seen as craven and disastrous…when they would STILL rather be in the Euro than belonging to that useless little island on the edge of Europe.

    Got to love them haven`t you…biggest rebellion since 1993…as if the Tories have been having annual rebellions sine then…and this one is exceptionally big!
    A tactic I note in sports crap….Liverpool haven`t beaten Weymouth at football since 1923…so Liverpool are obviously afraid to play them…that kind of nonsense!
    They really should not be sitting too close to Gary Richardson after the show up at the Toady Suite!


  27. George R says:

    TURKEY comes first.  
    Most Tories, Labour and Lib Dem MPs campaign  FOR the entry of 80 million Muslim Turks into E.U, and AGAINST the British people even having a referendum on UK membership, all aided and abetted by BBC-Guardian-NUJ.  
    Where are the political voices, apart from UKIP, opposing Turkey’s membership and the massive Islamisation of the E.U involved?  


  28. George R says:

    “EU referendum: democracy is not a ‘distraction’”


    “When all of Britain’s elitist, unrepresentative and interchangeable political leaders unite behind an issue in the name of ‘the national interest’, it is a sure sign that something is amiss. “



  29. Richard Pinder says:

    The Self Interest in benefiting from the corrupt EU gravy train, not National Interest. After all they are career politicians who regard their constituents as a nuisance as do nurses regard patients a nuisance knower days.