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  1. London Calling says:

    Oslo? Think Timothy McVeigh, Fred McMurray Building, Oklahoma. Watching Sky and BBC, I get this sinking feeling, its a nutter, Dunblane style. All the speculation on Al Quada, but its not evil enough to be Islamists – there are not enough victims. Betfair, its a nutter, and everyone will look foolish in the morning. Perhaps me  too – I never liked sitting on the fence – splinters in the bum.


  2. john says:

    As we learn more about the Oslo outrage, may I go back to the news as it was breaking on Sky.
    Interestingly for a further 30 minutes, BBC News 24 was still leading with the major story of the day untill they finally worked out where Norway was and might be worth a mention.
    So they moved on from you know what.
    They are not just biased, their bloody useless and bloody slow at even plagiaizing the anti-christ Sky footage.


  3. Martin says:

    The BBC were spinning that this wasn’t Muslims who murdered children, what then? Jews, Christians?


  4. pounce_uk says:

    Geoff Watts wrote:  
    “Up to 30 people could be dead, either in a bomb blast or shot by someone. And yet all you can do is to try and pick holes in the BBC’s coverage, find ways to try and blame Muslims and make jokes.  “  
    Hi Geoff welcome to biased bBC which is run on picking holes in the bBCs leftwing bias. As for trying to blame muslims for this act. Well you see contrary to bBC opinion the relgion of peace is anything but. Which kind of explains why so many people in Norway (And Europe) are looking at the hand of Allah as being behind this terrorist act. Oh you may not like how the posters on this board are looking funny at the bBCs coverage of this truly evil event.  Yet where were you after 9/11 and that question time. Where were you after John Simpson called the terrorists who bombed London. Misguided criminals. Where were you after each and every news article where the bBC gave succour to Islamic terrorists. Hell faster than you can say ‘Allah Ackba’ after an incident in darkest Afghanistan, the bBC will have a report condemning NATO/ISAF or the British based on the hearsay of a terrorist. But when its those innocent terrorist doing likewise, well rules are in place to ensure that those rabid terrorists are never reported in a negative light. So once again where the hell were you, when the bBC is caught out time and time again defending Islamic terrorism not only that but most of the time it doesn’t even bother reporting them. So come on Geoff where is your concern for all the people who get oppressed and killed by Islamic terrorists whom the bBC never seems to bother its arse reporting. You know like that convert to Islam in Australia who woke up and was whipped by a bunch of Islamic bigots for having a bevy or two or even worse its lacklustre reporting from Syria. You know that Syria which the bBC claims it can’t get any reporters in, but which everybody else can.  

    Now if you want to see a real bigot at work head over to my blog and give me what for,for slating Muslims. But then unlike you, I was born a Muslim left the cult of death during the 70s and have a bummer of a birthmark which paints me as an apostate. Want to tell me how Muslims are taught to deal with apostates via their holybook. Don’t bother looking to the bBC for the correct answer as they claim that Islam is a religion of peace.: Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Nigeria, Thailand, Philippines, China ,Chechnya ,Moscow, London, Madrid, Paris, New York, Mumbai all say otherwise.  


    As for making jokes, you mean like how the entire left knocked them out when Bush choked , When Murdock (How old is he?) was attacked inside parliment the otherday and when Maggie dies. I suppose that’s alright then. 

    Please feel free to repond.  


    • Span Ows says:

      pounce_uk – excellent stuff.

      I would only add that it is a shame I can only press “Like” once.


  5. isoprophex says:

    However if this is related to far-right terrorist groups then its equally as important to understand their ideaology as well. The Turner Diaries sets out a “manifesto” of a “race war” in the US.

    What is more interesting is the same obssesion that they share with Islamist extremists-and this could possibly explicit over the coming days. 

    They share:

    -They believe in a “Jewish Conspiracy” and a “world Government” (known as ZOG or Zionist Occupation Government”)

    -They both believe in the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

    -Both believe in the distruction of Isreal and the irradication of the Jewish race.

    -They both believe in the coming “clash” and have apocalyptic outlook.

    -They seek mass causualties, and like the Aum group, they have been Aum Shinrikyo and Whabbist groups, also examined the possibilties of using unconventional weapons.

    If these groups are active, we may well be entering a darker age of terrorism as these groups aim to bring about the cataclysim. 


  6. isoprophex says:

    I think you guys might find this rather enlightening……

    In certain intelligence circles-with AQ’s increased difficulty in attacking Western targets, the scale and type of attack is far beyond anything local far right groups could do…….the expertise to carry out this type of operation might well have come from “outside” (which is why the Helpers of Islam statement and retraction is interesting).

    If some far right groups have connected with Islamo-facists elements, then the game has changed……

    Lets see how it unfolds


  7. isoprophex says:

    And one more disturbing thought.

    The same crack-pot tin foil hat goons calling themselves “9/11 truth movement” or Alex Jones, or far left extremist groups also believe in similar paranoid conspiracies as Islamic extreamists and Neo-Nazi Terrorists regarding the US/European Government/UN/NWO/Builderberg Group/Bohemian Grove/The Elder Protocoles of Zion.

    Ask yourself how many nutters have you come across regarding the above-it only takes a handful of these goons to do damage.

    Hold that thought.


  8. ltwf1964 says:

    kate Silvertongue in overdrive on al beeb “news”

    he appears to be a ” right wing christian fundamentalist”

    well,soory to have to enlighten you Kate,but most “right wingers” as you term them(actually national SOCIALISTS-so left wing loons) hate jews,so you’ve got a lot in common to begin with

    and any christian fundamentalist worth his/her salt can’t be a nazi,because they support Israel with every fibre of their being

    so,there’s no compunction to call him a “christianist”… twisting,turning and verbal contortionism when theygo out to try to find new ways of renaming muslim terrorist fanatics for what they actually are

    just straight in with CHRISTIAN and FUNDAMENTALIST and the usual efforts to pain them as right wing loonies,when the truth is nazis are and always will be whackjob lefties

    scumbag kate

    scumbag bBC


    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      The key here in professional news terms is the word ‘appears’ which, like ‘speculate’, seems to give free rein to integrity-free media to spout whatever they fancy until actual facts catch up… if too late.


  9. Andrew says:

    I found myself watching the Norway story break on the news yesterday on the News 24 channel.  As I often do I flip between that and sky news in big breaking stories when they get on a repetitive loop in an effort to find some “news”.

    Whilst Tim Marshall was giving his views on the potential suspects which included, far right and the potential link with the newspapers that ran the Mohammed cartoon, the BBC lagged behind.

    We went to one of the diplomatic affairs team but her name escapes me.  The question from the Beeboid was “what do we know?” in the tone that suggested the real question is “as newsreaders we’ve been winging it for half an hour trying to work with very little, what have you found out that can really add to this story”.

    Cue a monologue that consisted of no new news at all and was something we could all have done simply by watching the film. 

    The difference was that she was twisting herself in knots as she desperately tried to avoid suggesting any potential islamic connection.  The frequent comment was “we just don’t know”, but used so extensively that it was clear she was deliberately  trying to skirt around this suggestion.  In fact she was much more comfortable suggesting that this could have been a gas explosion.

    Pounce will probably be better able to verify this, but it looked like no gas explosion I had ever seen on the news.

    The overall point is that they were very keen as they put it “not to jump to conclusions”.

    Shame it’s not a principle they use in reporting other stories.


  10. hippiepooter says:

    The weary predictability that this was another Islamist attack appears to be proved unfounded.  It seems to be the work of a Nazi scumbag.  Let’s hope the weary predictability of the BBC trying to tar the entire democratic right with this act of evil proves to be unfounded as well.  I’m not hopeful.


  11. pounce_uk says:

    The bBC its hatred of the US and half the story.
    Ohio ex-Marine murdered 11 women
    A sex offender who lived among the remains of 11 dead women at his home in Cleveland in the US state of Ohio has been convicted of killing all of them. Anthony Sowell was found guilty of aggravated murder, kidnapping, tampering with evidence and abuse of a human corpse in the 11 deaths. The 51-year-old former US Marine could face the death penalty.
    SO the bBC on reporting this grisly court case points out that the man in the dock is an ex marine. In fact its headline quite succulently imparts that information. But here is what the bBC doesn’t tell you. Mr Sowell joined the US marines in 1978 and left in 1985. Yes 1985. Lets see 1.2.3…26 years ago. Why in 1989 he was arrested ,charged and jailed for 15 years for rape. So seeing as how he left the forces over 26 years ago, that he has since done 15 years (twice as long as he served in the military) inside. Shouldn’t the bBC be leading with Former Convict indicted for murder?
    Instead the bBC tries its best to demonise the US military. Typical.


  12. isoprophex says:

    Good Morning

    Perhaps I might be able to shed some light on this.At the moment, the Police in Norway are being rather careful to disclose any information. Once again however SKY and the BBC are rushing to conclusions regarding the motives for this attack.

    The Neo-Nazi movement in Scandinavia has been one of the most high profile in the last 20 years. Its counter-cultral background does not come from the writings of Pat Buchanan but from the Norwiegian “Black Metal” scence (before anybody says it-heavy metal did not cause the attack either)

    Many of the counter-cultral figures involved openly admit to neo-Nazi sympathies, however it is also important to point out many had at the time strong anti-christian ideaologies as well.

    With the growth of the internet, neo-Nazi groups started forming links with each other, and many adopted the ideaology of the Aryan Nations and the Order

    This version of “Christianity” has very little to do with the Republican Evangelical movement. They have incorperated elements of paganism and new ageism in to this belief system. 

    What binds these groups is the belief,which is now being expressed in certain sections of the mainstream media, is the coming of a “New World Order”- a secret group of Jews/Freemasons and wealthy and powerful individuals (Bush.Blair,Thatcher,Cameron,Sarkozy,Putin,Dutch Royal Family,Rothschilds,take your pick) plans to install a “totalitarian global government” through front organizations like the UN,CIA,European Union,Isreal,IMF,World Bank,NATO and multi-national companies.

    This is very similar to the conspiracy theory that also fuels militant Islam and far left groups and cults like Aum. On the surface they have different agenda’s but they share many of the same conspiracy theories-as well as the belief in the “endgame”.

    What is more interesting however is,as I have said earlier, the MSM also gives it a certain kudos- the reporting on the Arab/Isreali conflict, films like Klute/Parrallax View/All the Presidents Men, TV shows like the X-Files, Edge of Darkness, Defence of the Realm,and popular music from punk,industrial,metal and techno all pay a certain lip service to conspiracy theories. Timothy Mcveigh, David Copeland and now Anders Behring Breivik do not have beliefs so far removed from many in wider society.


  13. My Site (click to edit) says:

    Just noticed this…

    The numbers are so huge as to be meaningless.’

    From an over-staffed, unique money manager like the BBC, that is quite an admission.


  14. pounce_uk says:

    Have a look at Mark Mardels Bio on the right of the site:  
    About Mark  
    Covered British politics from the fall of Thatcher to Blair’s last election victory as political correspondent  …

    Grew up in Surrey, educated at Kent University in Canterbury, worked in commercial radio on Teesside Leeds and London before joining the BBC.
    It seems his pride of joy is the fall of Thatcher and the rise of Blair. Political views on an impartial website? Before anybody points out that is the period he worked for the bBC, err he joined in 1989,maggie was kicked out in 1990 and he is still emplyed at the bBC. But I do love him imparting where he was taught. But for some reason he left out this seat of education:

    Mardell was educated at the independent school Epsom College in SurreyEngland, currently running at arounf £10,000 a year and to think the bBC hates toffs you know like Cameron and the like.


  15. deegee says:

    Amnesty: Saudi terror law ‘would strangle protest’  
    Reading this would you think Saudi Arabia was a liberal democracy, like the UK or perhaps Israel?  
    I particularly note this quote towards the end wiht the implication from Amnesty that freedom of expression orpeaceful dissent exis in Saudi Arabia.  

    Philip Luther from the charity said the law would be a serious threat to freedom of expression in Saudi Arabia in the name of preventing terrorism.  

    “If passed it would pave the way for even the smallest acts of peaceful dissent to be branded terrorism and risk massive human rights violations,” he said. 


    In fairness to Frank Gardiner, his box points out that political parties are banned in Saudi Arabia and women can’t drive.


    In criticism of Frank Gardiner the driving ban is not total and women do drive in more remote regions. The driving ban is simply one example of the suppression of women’s rights in all areas.  


  16. cjhartnett says:

    Noted this morning that Justin Webb ended up reading the weather forecast himself…luckily he was able to do this from “The Guardian…which I`ve got closest to hand!”
    Really…as Cassandra says “who`d a thunk it?”
    Probably held to their hearts as they point their upturned faces towards Highgate Cemetery more like!
    The Norwegians were very good about the Webb ambushes in order to get those 9 O Clock soundbites of theirs.
    Norway now has an idea of the rent a gob controversist reflexes that the formerly hallowed BBC now deals in…bet they`re glad they`re out of the EU if the EUBC(BBC) is what we get left with!


  17. Millie Tant says:

    Oh, look who’s on the Beeboid Radio 2 this morning. No, it’s not Ubiq Maguire, for once.  Who would be your next guess? Yes, indeed, none other than that everlasting tourer of Beeboidland, Thug Campbell.

    …Joining Ryan on his first show is journalist, author and former spin doctor Alastair Campbell …

    Dear oh, dear, he must have a book to sell and the Beeboid Corporation must step in to do its bit. What sort of literary agency agreement does he have with this publicly funded broadcaster? Does the Charter cover this kind of activity? Just posing the question. Don’t suppose the Beeboids will be rushing in to tell me the answer.


  18. Millie Tant says:

    I know that Peston’s friendships, his methods and his sources for his stories have been discussed on this blog. However, Mr Thompson DG doesn’t normally trouble to reply to what is said here.

    But I see that the Daily Mail has caught on that Tom Watson and Bob Ainsworth are accusing Peston of spinning for Murdoch and News International, alleging that he broke the story of the sacking of a Sun journalist, formerly of the News of the World, to deflect attention from Colin Myler’s claims about what was known by News International.

    “But his coverage of the hacking scandal has been praised by BBC director general Mark Thompson.

    ‘Anyone who has actually watched and listened to Robert Peston’s outstanding coverage of this story over the past few days will regard the idea that he is acting in some way as a mouthpiece for News International – or anyone else, for that matter – as frankly ludicrous,’ he said.”

    Read more:


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      I think I agree with Thompson there.  If anything, Peston was selling his friends and contacts out for a scoop.  He clearly used those people, feigned friendship, to get close and get the inside info to enhance his own position.  Classy.  But Thompson would still be right that he wasn’t protecting Murdoch’s crew.  Peston did, I think, initially downplay how bad this was going to get for his acquaintances, and his judgment there may very well have been influenced by what they were telling him.

      He’s compromised either way, I suppose.  If nothing else, everyone in the City and press needs to take note: keep your distance from Peston and keep your mouths shut around him from now on.


  19. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Oh, piss off, Sopel.  “We’ve kind of got used to hearing about shooting sprees in America.”  
    No shooting spree in the US had half the body count of this madman.  And as far as I’m aware, no adult in the US has ever rounded up children to murder like this lunatic did.  Piss off, Sopel.


  20. George R says:

    Will BBC-Democrat report this, maybe on its ‘Entertainment and Arts’ page?:
    “Upcoming Weather Underground Movie to Show ‘Real Americans Who Stood for Their Beliefs’”


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      The Beeboids will probably see this as a documentary about real American heroes.


      • Buggy says:

        “Probably” is hedging it a bit, David.

        “Naturally” is more like it.


  21. Deborah says:

    I was listening to Farming Today at 6.30 am where the trial badger cull was discussed.  Only half awake until I heard the breathy female interviewer ask the farmer what would happen if the cull ‘wasn’t a success’? ‘Wouldn’t it be poor PR?’ she followed with immediately with incredulity in her voice.

    Well perhaps as a presenter on a Farming programme she should understand that farming is more that PR .  Dairy farmers are really struggling financially and having so many cattle culled and the associated TB restrictions the economics of farming even more difficult. It could be that without the cull there will be no dairy farms left in the UK. 

    Surely a presenter on a farming programme should try to understand farming – but hey – this is the BBC so of course she will know nothing of the topic.  (I suppose I should be a realist and remember that the environmental correspondent has an English degree.)


  22. David Preiser (USA) says:

    This blog post by Katherine Birbalsingh is worth reading.  It concerns the BBC and the promotion of the idea that people from council estates and families on benefits cannot achieve anything and should not be expected to.


  23. The Cattle Prod of Destiny says:

    Amy Winehouse is being reported dead as I type.  I wonder if the BBC will now stop its hate campaign against her?

    Or will they, as usual with those whom they help drive to their deaths, keep on kicking her corpse?


  24. The Cattle Prod of Destiny says:

    Astonishingly 10 miuntes later they are repeating Sarah Browns Twitter beltherings?  Do they employ some poor sod to sit and watch their darlings oervre and why is it news?


  25. john says:

    The World’s Greatest Broadcaster “bringing you breaking news first”  has once again fallen down on the job.
    The sad news of Amy Winehouse’s death had been receiving many tributes and footage of her all too brief career on Sky news for 18  minutes before the infants at the BBC even bothered to mention that a 27 year old woman’s body had been found in a Camden flat.
    Jesus Christ !
    Where would the BBC’s relentless newshounds be without access to Sky News ?


  26. George R says:

    “Hacking was endemic at the ‘Mirror’, says former reporter ”

    How many people from:

    a.) Tories;

    b.) News International,

    -will BBC-NUJ-Labour-Mirror allow on the panels of its programmes to discuss this?


  27. George R says:

    Greece’s austerity, except for public spending to build mosque?

    BBC-NUJ report:

    “Greece aid package boosts stock markets”


    What economic crisis? Greek government spending $15 million to build mosque in Athens


  28. My Site (click to edit) says:

    Great piece on the BBC’s collection of Communist Party activists that they try to pass off as ‘comedians’:


    • Millie Tant says:

      There’s also a comment in that blog about the Beeboid Corporation’s coverage of the press hacking scandal:

      You’d think the phrase “evil empire” was coined to describe News Corp, judging by the coverage the BBC has been giving its problems. Yes it’s a huge story, but none of Murdoch’s newspaper competitors have adopted the crowing tone of his broadcast rival: the Today programme this week has turned into The Daily Gloat. Meanwhile, another empire is teetering, thanks to the stricken eurozone – but the reaction has been quite different. When the euro launched, the Today team were panting with excitement. Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive! So no gloating now; just the presenters sounding as gloomy as they did on the day George W Bush was re-elected.


  29. George R says:

    “BBC fatcat who saddled world with motormouth Chris Moyles quits with £2m pension pot… and new job”

    Read more:–new-job.html#ixzz1SxGoJXt3


  30. George R says:

    INBBC’s drip, drip, drip of propaganda (by E. Stourton in this case) for Islamisation of European Union:


  31. cjhartnett says:

    The BBC ha