148 Responses to OPEN THREAD…

  1. Nick says:

    What’s needed is something like fixmystreet.

    The BBC complaints process hides behind an awful interface, and its designed to keep complaints secret so other people can read them.

    Biassed BBC should setup a website where you can put complaints to the BBC. It should replicate the BBC form. It then creates an email address just for that complaint. When the BBC replies, the reply comes back to the email address and is put on the website. Statistics as to the time taken, type of response can be monitored. In particular the BBC makes it very difficult to respond to their replies. In my opinion deliberately so. With a standard website, the BBC can be sent reminders if they don’t respond etc. 

    Lets get it all in the open. 


    • john says:

      Nick –  good post.
      The BBC complaints process is incumbent with a non-process Dr. Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of.
      Nick, I’m guessing you are younger than me.
      I was young, I needed the money, it was in the days of black and white, I prostituted myself with others to sit around a wireless and be subjugated to something so harrowing I can barely speak it’s name, I think it was called “Feedback”.
      What happened was there was nothing negative came out into the open because the BBC is wonderful.
      Indeed everyone wanted to pay more for their licence fee. Some people wanted to sell their house and entire contents and send the proceeds to Alistair Milne.
      So whilst I’m on your side Nick, you don’t seem anywhere near left-wing enough for the BBC to pay you any attention, let alone reply to you.



    • Grant says:

      That is a great idea. I have never made a complaint to the BBC for the very reasons you outline.  But, if your system was up and running , I would use it .


    • John Anderson says:


      I think the most important point you make is that if you go to the bother of making a complaint,  the BBC will eventually answer it by email.  Usually an anodyne weaselly reply.  But the BBC email states that you cannot reply to the email.  That is – any replies are not answered.

      To criticise the BBC reply – you have to start the whole process again –  by which time many weeks will have passed.

      In other words – the entire complaints procedure is DESIGNED to let them kick virtually everything into touch.

      This is a measure of the arrogance of the BBC.


      The other day,  someone posted here a link to a website that was urging people to email their MPs to protest against the BBC cuts.  We could just spend a few moments adapting the letter to support the cuts – and then it would be routed to the relevant MP.  I did just that,  got a stock reply from Zac Goldsmith defending the BBC (typical soft Tory line)  – but I was then able to shoot a reply back to him saying he was being naive,  arguing that the licence fee shopuld be abolished in favour of subscription,.  pointing out the huge bias at the BBC (he suffered a bad case during the election) – and saying I was sick and tired of all the BBC propaganda on climate change.

      He may or may not reply.  But at least I have got my twopennyworth in.  And if he does reply – I can contradict him again if necessary.

      That is what is called “answerable to the people” – at least a little bit.  The BBC thinks itself way above all that.  Delay – then send some non-reply – and pull up the drawbridge is their approach.


    • hippiepooter says:

      I dont think we should complain to the BBC about its bias.  The bias is deliberate.  We should complain to the Conservative Party that they do something about.

      The only thing I see worth doing is to notify the BBC of the complaints you make against them for logging purposes, so they can’t say they dont get complaints.


    • Millie Tant says:

      Very good thinking there, Nick. Excellent idea
       though I hate the BBC complaints system with its form filling, its procedures and its po-faced laborious government prose. It’s like when your computer is running slowly and your keyboard is sticking – it’s just plain irritating and holds you up. There needs to be something less leaden and more fleet of foot.


      • Gerald says:


        Further to the Sandi Toksvig “joke” commented on here not long ago I quote verbatim from the complaint response.

        “It’s rare for BBC Radio  comedy to allow wordplays or jokes that include a reference to the ‘c’ word but this was a joke which would not have been understandable to children and was used in a topical, satirical show. The joke was also referred to the Radio  Commissioning Editor for Comedy and Entertainment who approved it on this basis.”

        That’s all right then as long as it’s about the Tories then no problem. Strange how they cannot use the actual word in print.


        • Gerald says:

          It appears my 4 is not working well as it is missed out twice when referring to the Commissioning Editor and once after Radio!


        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          So the kiddies wouldn’t understand why the Toksvig toadstool was calling Cameron a c*nt, is that it?


  2. capriole says:

    JANET STREET PORTER in the Daily Mail today (23.10.) with a very interesting explanation of BBC speak. Does anybody have any clues as to who this BBC executive is? It’s no wonder that people such as J. Ross are defended by the BBC heads with alacrity!


    “During my years at the BBC, I endured endless sexist comments from a male chauvinist pig who worked in light entertainment.

    He would frequently start meetings with the inimitable refrain: ‘Welcome chaps (I was generally the only woman present) . . . I’m going to put my d*** on the table.’ That meant he had a really good (i.e. exceedingly vulgar) idea we’d all have to sign up to. After I left, I started writing a comic novel about a woman who ran a TV channel. In the opening scene, the aforementioned BBC executive is caught on camera committing an act of extreme depravity. Not surprisingly, my literary agent refused to handle the manuscript, but I’ve still got it, ready to put into action when I’m in the mood.”




    • john says:

      Put in a misunderstood Jihadist, couple of lesbians, Mark Byford as an unemployed leprechaun ……….. then bye bye East Enders !


    • 1327 says:

      The trouble is I can imagine Janet Street-Porter accusing anyone who doesn’t let her get her own way as being sexist or any other ‘ist. How  that woman who lets just say doesn’t have a face for TV or a voice for radio has managed to stay on the airwaves for the last 20 odd years is of constant amazement to me.


    • james1070 says:

      So I was spared the need to deal with Kenny Everett (his horrible impersonation of me really rankled over the years and was frequently repeated, just to rub salt in the wound).

      Unlike his fans, I did a little dance of joy around the kitchen when he finally departed

      Sounds a nice lady.


  3. Martin says:

    Actually that’s not a bad idea don’t know how the blog could do it, unless we just got one of this blogs mods to send the complaint on behalf of this site somehow.

    Doesn’t the email address [email protected] just do the same as filling out the crappy BBC website form?


  4. Johnny Norfolk says:

    I have just watched on i player fridays newnight where Francis Maud answered questions from a “balanced” audience.  
     Only one person in this audience supported the cuts.  
    This was not balanced at all.  
    At least a third to half should have been cuts supporter to make it fair.  
    The BBC is shocking in its bias as this case proves.


    • deegee says:

      The BBC is quite capable of balancing its audience as questions about politics are on the application form.


  5. Lloyd says:

    5live news earlier were reporting the suicide bombing in the Afghan city of Herat, apparently the perpatrators were “men dressed as women” – I immediately conjured up images of Lily Savage and Danny La Rue. Fortunately the online article is a little more accurate.


  6. David Jones says:

    This is MASSIVE. Please read the whole thing


    1. The UN has actively trained journalists (called ‘media training’) in the proper way to cover biodiversity stories


    2. The UN has developed partnerships with news organizations to release biodiversity stories and press releases


    3. Developed educational programs (called ‘education for sustainable development’) incorporating biodiversity teaching intended for children, also created The Green Wave program to reach out to children


    4. Developed so called Communication, Education, and Public Awareness (CEPA) toolkits and workshops in order to “create broadly based support for the issues” by giving advice like this: “To involve people, nothing is more powerful than working on their emotions”


    The UN is manipulating and attempting to control the way we and our children think. We have already seen it starting with the BBC reports from Nagoya.


    Robin Horbury – we really need your gravitas on this one.


    If anyone has a spare minute today, can you find anything on the web connecting the bBC to this media training. I have done some googling but have not found anything yet.


    “To involve people, nothing is more powerful than working on their emotions”


    Good God we are in trouble.


    P.S. If I’m being a bit excitable, please tell me!


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      You’re not being excitable enough.  This is the same totalitarian behavior we saw regarding the BBC training their people how to report AGW/ACC. 


  7. Techno Mystic says:

    You can’t fault the BBC’s dedication to minorities.  Here we have a lesbian Muslim in a forced marriage.  A minority of a minority of a minority.  Classic!


    Apparently it is an “emerging trend”.  Something tells me that it is probably something that has always happened throughout history actually.


    • 1327 says:

      Wow a Lesbian Muslim she could walk into any of 1000’s of highly paid public sector jobs as she ticks 2 boxes at once !


    • Heads on poles says:

      Just read that and headed over here!
      The fact that she was not alcoholic, a gambler and didn’t have AIDS was a serious omission and I trust that the diversity department will put this right with a follow up.
      I can see a whole new department being set up at the BBBC to look at this with 14 part specials including driving instruction, music, science and art all based on an Islamic LGBT (BLT anyone?) viewpoint.
      Utter cack.


    • Demon1001 says:

      I’m afraid for the poor old beboids who will tie themseles up in knots on this one.  On the one hand she is a lesbian, which is something close to saintliness in the BBC pantheon, however she is criticising Islam which is not acceptable to any degree in the BBC mind-set.  It will be great to see the luvvies writhe on this one.


      • Rueful Red says:

        Mohammedanism’s the top trump at the Beeb. Lesbians don’t self-detonate, after all.  Or not very often.


    • Trifecta says:

      They haven’t exactly gone over the top with the use of the “M” word. In fact apart from two mentions of the Koran and a single use of the “I” word it isn’t exactly clear which religion is the subject of the story. Hey ho.


  8. Guest Who says:

    Noting that an increasingly ratings-over-balance driven SKY (with their last guest reviewer being only mildly rebuked for picking enough cherries to keep Muller in yogurt for the next decade: ‘US forces should allow themselves to be blown up rather than defend themselves against a car not showing signs of stopping at a check point, in case it’s just kids testing the system or being used by old nutters as easy martyrs’) has decided that a report in the Daily Mirror is an objective view of the state of the country today.

    It will be interesting to see which rabbit Mr. Marr decides to pull out of his newspaper review hat in a few minutes.


  9. 1327 says:

    This mornings (Sunday) 8am news on Radio 4 might have only been 5 minutes long but it was a classic. First up we had an item on the cut in housing benefits which will we were told cause a mass migration of poor people out of London much like the Highland Clearances (yes they actually said that). Then something about Wikileaks then our good friend Suzi Leather Charity Comissioner moaning about government cuts.

    Actually thats only about 4 minutes of it as after that I turned it off and got up.


    • Backwoodsman says:

      You should have stayed, it got better – the comparison was made with the highland clearances !!!!!  I presume the ommision the bbc is hiding in their usual manipulative manner, is mention of the fact that steps are being taken to prevent private landlords from charging councils absurdly high rents for council tenants ?
      Note to beeboids, please provide balanced coverage by commencing all articles featuring s. leather , by pointing out that she earns something in the region of half a million quid of tax payers money per annum from her various labour quango appointments and thus her judgement may be slightly suspect.


      • NotaSheep says:

        Is that the same Suzi Leather whose Wikipedia entry includes this: ‘Ms. Leather has held over thirty public sector posts in the last fifteen years, though never held elected office, which has led some right-wing commentators to question her own motivations and the motives of those who appoint her. … She is a senior member of Common Purpose.

        How odd that Wikipedia has such an anodyne entry for Common Purpose…


        • Anonymous says:

          BBC TV omits to tell us that Suzi Leather is a Labour party member, [tho they do mention it on their website – so they’re obviously aware of the fact]. Instead they give her an easy ride and portray her as an independent voice.
          Classic bias by omission.


        • Manfred VR says:

          And the same Suzy Leather who will not withdraw charitable status from Common Purpose, even though nobody can ‘join’ this subversive set up; They have to be invited, thus it is a selective ‘charity’.
          Not forgetting, of course, that hundreds of beeboids have attended Common Purpose courses (at £5,000 a pop). Interestingly, one of the aims of CP is to prepare for the ‘post democratic age’. Do they know something we don’t.
          Here is a spreadsheet of SOME of the people who have attended CP courses, when and where. Most are in London, but beeboids crop up on courses all over the country.


  10. hippiepooter says:

    ‘Roobeedoo’ in the previous open thread and Biodegradable in the original thread http://biasedbbc.org/2010/10/guilty-but-yet-victims.html have noted that he BBC have now changed the headline on the murder of the alleged paedophile.  John Horne Tooke also managed to get a cache of the original:-

    It would be nice to think that the removal of comment from the piece is down to B-BBC, but given the outrageous editorial comments by Chris Summers about the CPS I would imagine the CPS made strong representations to the BBC about the matter.  Let us remember, Chris Summers is the BBC reporter whose understanding of ‘journalistic integrity’ is handling complaints for election bias while standing as a Labour council candidate (since elected).

    What is fascinating about the amendment is the following BBC comment at the foot of the piece:-

    Note: October 22. This story has been amended to change the headline and the introductory paragraphs to ensure it is factually based and could not be interpreted as commentary on the circumstances surrounding the case by the BBC.

    As far as I’m aware this is unprecedented, which leads me to believe that the CPS did indeed put the ‘legal frighteners’ on the BBC.  It’s a clear rap on he knuckles for Mr Summers and his editor.  Conservative Party, please note.


    • Guest Who says:

      As one who has been, and currently is campaigning to get the BBC to admit to, stop practising and/or admitting to stealth edits, this is a small glimmer, but hardly much.

      It’s only thanks to stories by 3rd parties and their skilled use of cache evidence that anyone has a clue what was punted out originally.

      And, frankly, the way I read that weasel is ‘we were wrong, got nalied and now are trying our best to cover up with what’s left of our tattered integrity intact’ with semantics.


  11. George R says:

     INBBC remembers first anniversary of capture of Britons, the Chandlers, in Somalia; but INBBC omits to mention ‘Islam or ‘jihad’.

    “Grim milestone for UK couple held captive in Somalia”


    Historical context:

    “From Barbary Wars to Somali piracy, the ‘water’ jihad has a long lineage”





  12. hippiepooter says:

    A fascinating take on what wikileaks information actually does show:-


    Thank goodness we have have the BBC.  A fearlessly impartial news organisation is exactly what we need to give this information on Iran’s involvement in Iraq the full examination it needs.


  13. Martin says:

    I see the BBC mongs are going on about some Tory councillor caught dressed as a Nazi, so when are the rent boy molesters finally going to report the time Ed Bollocks dressed up as a Nazi?


  14. Roger C says:

    The Marr show was its usual Conservative free zone today, when will the useless tories wake up to the fact that they are having the piss taken from them bias wise on a daily basis by the BBC & address the problem!


    • Sceptical Steve says:

      I suspect that on this occasion the absence of Tories from AM was a tactical decision on their part. Anything that they say will be viewed through the BBC’s prism (i.e. all public spending is morally essential and all public works are carried out by selfless public servants with efficiencies that the private sector cannot ever hope to match!) and used to drive rifts into the coalition.

      Just imagine the potential for an ambush if “Saint” Suzi Leather provided detailed crib sheet for Marr on all the individual victims of the “cuts”, which no one seems keen to accept will lead to inexorable increase in expenditure.  

      It’s now apparent that control of vast swathes of the British economy are safely out of reach of the incoming government (Overseas Aid, Interest Repayments, Public Sector Pensions, PFI Contracts etc. etc.) Any Tory turning up for an interview is in danger of having to disown his own government or being shown up like a rabbit the headlights.


    • hippiepooter says:

      Well, apart from Lord Tebbitt’s valiant sortee in 1986 after Kate Adie acted as Gaddifi’s mouthpiece after he got bombed for killing USA servicemen in Berlin, there’s been very little sign that the Tories are going to get acquainted with their gonads over BBC bias.

      An independent democratic party to implement the small ‘c’ conservatism that crosses party lines might well remind the Tories of the meaning of conservatism, but even less sign of that ever getting started.


  15. Span Ows says:

    Slightly off Bias topic but importnat none-the-less as it could be the start of an encouraging trend:


    “Baroness Warsi told by David Cameron not to appear at Islamic conference”


  16. fred bloggs says:

    LBC sunday 11.30  Iain Dale is talking to McNulty.  The subject of bBC SPOOKS come up.  Then they discussed why the bBC had portrayed the new fictitious  Tory minister in charge as a bumbling idiot.  Dale said that is part of bBC bias, McNulty said nothing.


    • Demon1001 says:

      It also briefly showed him running/panicking when there was a gun fired from outside.  So he is portrayed as a bumbling, overweight coward.  A bit different from the previous one who had been portrayed as a quite decent (albeit flawed) man. 


    • It's all too much says:

      Yesterday there was a shocking bit of pure BBC wish fulfilment bias.  On radio 4 there was a play about a Jewish terrorist (Stern Gang) and a jewsish double agent in 1947 trying to bomb British officials to get the British out of Palistine.  A lot was based on truth but there were nice anachronistic lines like ‘I was travelling on the tube with a bomb in my rucksack’, they did recce work on double decker busses,  a British Major tortured people during interrogation (it was alright though, he we injured by a letter bomb) and the mention of the murder of two british soldiers by the stern gang after they were kidnapped was topped by violent ‘fascist’ rioting in London and Liverpool  (Evil fascists featured heavily).  You get the message.  Now some of this is true, but it carried a lot of BBC freight.  However, the real clincher was the ‘entirely unexpected twist’ to the plot.  The gang was infiltrated by a double agent – who was betrayed by the real enemy.  The most slimy, cowardly whining and manipulative British Establishment – who wanted the Jooos to kill Ernest Bevan because he was an evil socialist and thus save ‘the empire’ (boo hiss)

      I could almost hear the group onanism going on when the commissioning producer discussed the play with the author.  “It has everything” he gasps, “a clumsy comparison between Jews and Palistinians (the terrorists has a ‘justification’ for their behaviour) and it shows the British establishment to be cowardl faschists. How about a series, Spooks 1947!”

      Jewish terrorists
      Cowardly and manipulative British establishment trying to kill socialists
      Britain full of fascists

      Have I missed anything?


  17. deegee says:

    The evil duo BBC and Facebook. The proof is about 3:50 in. Iran dislikes Facebook.


  18. Johnny Norfolk says:

    Further to Francis Maud answerering questions on Fridays Newsnight. The chairman was asking the 99% biased against the cuts audience several questions at a time and not allowing  Mr Maud to answer each one, He would not allow maud to answer fully, so there was more questions than answers due to the way it was chaired. This was a most disgraceful way the BBC arranged it  so as to put the coalition in the worse possible light. It was unfair, biased and should be investigated. How do they get away with it.


  19. George R says:

    Is INBBC trying to catch up on negative consequences of ‘multiculturalism’ and mass immigration in Britain?:-

    “Could Turkish and Kurdish gangs become new ‘mafia’? ”


    Of course, INBBC makes no connection with the disastrous consequences of Islamic Turkey’s putative entry into the E.U., which INBBC, along with Labour, Lib Dems, and Tories all support.


  20. George R says:

    BBC-NUJ report:

    “Is Pakistan in denial about tackling its problems?”

    Is BBC-NUJ in denial about tackling the problems of Islam in Pakistan?



  21. David Preiser (USA) says:

    The inevitable Wikihacks Have Your Say:

    Wikileaks has released almost 400,000 secret US military records, which suggest US commanders ignored evidence of torture by Iraqi forces. What is your reaction to these new leaks?

    The documents also reveal many previously unreported instances in which US forces killed civilians at checkpoints and during operations.

    A US Defence Department spokesman dismissed the documents as raw observations by tactical units, which were only snapshots of tragic, mundane events

    Naturally, the comments reflect the message pumped out by the BBC since even the first US boot hit the ground in Afghanistan:  The US is guilty of mass murder, blah, blah, blah.

    Left unreported by the BBC, and not included in their incitement to hatred on the HYS page:

    Wikileaks nails the wild Lancet scare

    The Lancet exaggerated Iraqi deaths by some 600%.  Furthermore, the Wikihacks – presented as the Gospel truth by the BBC – show that in fact the death toll in Iraq from 2003 until whenever the numbers end is less than the number of deaths in South Africa during the same period.

    How about it, BBC?  Is it a quagmire?  Should we start boycotting the South African government again?  Is it a lost cause? Do we call for the arrest of every South African leader since then for violating human rights and mass murder?

    But wait – there’s more:

    Wikileaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq –  With Surprising Results

    By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

    But for years afterward, WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins, and uncover weapons of mass destruction.

    An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesn’t reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime — the Bush administration’s most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained. Jihadists, insurgents and foreign (possibly Iranian) agitators turned to these stockpiles during the Iraq conflict — and may have brewed up their own deadly agents.

    I can already feel the goal posts moving….

    Instead, the BBC focuses on a handful of “torture” cases and civilian deaths, and censors the rest.  I will now hit “Post” and spend the next several minutes shouting cursing the BBC, calling out the sexual procilivities of their parents, and questioning their genetic makeup.

    If these two facts aren’t the subject of Newsnight, Panorama, and Today for the next week, BBC News will have lost any remaining credibility they may still have.


  22. Pounce says:

    Well,with all the reporting about how the government is clamping down on benefit cheats you’d think the bBC (bBC Benefit cheat)  would have mentioned how one of its DJs Kanwal Qazi is having a day in court ref claiming £18,000 while working at Al Beeb.

    Off topic is it me or is it me but does  the thieving git look a lot like Ting ting off of little Britain. Which probably explains why the bBC hasn’t reported this story. They thought it was a script.


  23. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Wow.  There was an Obamessiah joke on Have I Got News For You.  I’m impressed.

    Even better is that it’s in the opening sequence, which means it will be in every episode of the new series.  At the end of the animated segment since last year, they show the President at His desk, looking at a graph of the economy which drops ever lower.  He’s spinning a basketball on His finger, then shoots at the basket on the wall, hitting a perfect shot.

    In the new series, He misses, and the ball caroms off the rim.

    At last, a crack in the facade.


    • Dez says:

      It’s been in the opening sequence since April 2009.


      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Wrong, Dez.  Previously – as I said – He makes the basket.  This series, He misses.

        These things are easily checked.

        Why didn’t you bother before posting your comment?


        • Guest Who says:

          With the vultures already on lean fare as they try to spot something to whinge about and blow up in sad attempts to project minor inaccuracies or flippant asides as site cred killers (a basis that would get the BBC, with its ongoing, major abuses shut down in a few minutes), is there any chance that, after the nth time they get pwned they have the good grace to slink away for a while?


          Though I guess there is some function in being reminded just how weak the support cases for almost all the BBC’s output now is, and keeping on digging does serve a purpose. At least, if self-destructive, it is more polite than the usual pompous one-liners, ad homs, and huffing and puffing that try to target, equally to poor effect, the person rather than what they are saying.


          Sadly, unlike the pitch controlling mechanisms enjoyed by BBC employees (well, when running their editorial), the inability to go back an ‘evolve’ a howler rather means one has to live with the consequences.


          Though one could always try and weasel out with such as  That was a typo’. 


          Albeit some seem very long ones.


        • David Jones says:

          Why is the Russian oil valve being turned on in the HIGNFY introduction?!!


          • hippiepooter says:

            I think you’ll see its being turned off and all the lights go off in the West.  Its alluding to Putin’s efforts to use Russian oil for political leverage.


            • David Preiser (USA) says:

              I always assumed it was gas, because Putin can turn off nealry the entire gas supply for Eastern Europe and much of the rest of it.  He did it to Ukraine last year, and the whole country was out of power, IIRC.  Western Europe relies on Russian gas for some ridiculously large percentage of its power.


            • David Jones says:

              @hippiepooter – I realise the intent but surely the valve is being turned anti-clockwise i.e. on (unless they do things differently in Russia).


          • Guest Who says:


            Subtle. Like it.


        • Dez says:

          oops. My mistake.


  24. Gerald says:

    Off topic

    I missed the opportunity to enlighten BBBC followers under the “Wrong kind of mud thread” but with one of my other anoraks on I would like to assist in spreading understanding of “leaves on the line” and “the wrong kind of snow”.

    In steam days railway cuttings and embankments were assiduously cleared of vegetation to prevent lineside fires in dry spells. As an economy measure since dieselisation vegatation has been allowed to grow; initially this was not too much of a problem in leaf fall season as the train brakes were of the clasp type which at least cleaned off the mulch created when wet leaves are squashed on the rails from the wheels.

    Just like many cars now have disc brakes which improve braking performance so do most trains but the mulch is not cleaned off and on several occasions trains slid past signals.

    To counteract this for about 8 weeks this time of year a series of trains now run to a regular timetable jet spraying the track in locations identified as likely to cause problems.

    Of course if Network Rail try to cut down the vegetation nowadays a hue and cry goes up about disturbing wildlife but most complainants basically want to maintain the screening between their property and the railway line!

    The wrong kind of snow was just that. With our maritime climate the snow in the U.K. is normally the wet heavy slodgy stuff. On the occasion it caused the problem it was the very light, dry, powdery snow which does not make snowballs.

    As a train travels along there is considerable suction underneath and the light snow was drawn up into the traction motors of many locomotives and unit trains. Virtually all diesel locos as well as electric locos and multiple units have axle mounted traction motors


    • hippiepooter says:

      Thank you Gerald for that antidote to gratuitous cynicism.  I guess we’ll have to look for another target to make the butt of cheap jokes now.


    • matthew rowe says:

      Well all that proves to me Gerald is it is even worse then we thought! we now have the wrong kind of trains =-O :-$


  25. Umbongo says:

    At 7:51 this morning on Today a representative of Wikileaks was on to “discuss” – in the words of the Today site – the allegations.  I notice that in all this kerfuffle the BBC always refers to “leaks”.  I seem to recall that during the Climategate revelations the leaked info was almost always referred to on the BBC as coming from “stolen” or “hacked” emails although there is and was no proof that the leaked emails were either stolen or hacked.

    Moreover, we were never (well not in my hearing) given a “discussion” on Climategate where a sole interviewee (or any interviewee?) came from the sceptical side of the non-debate.  The BBC either dealt with Climategate through the distorted lens of one of its environment correspondents – mainly Harrabin or Shukman – or dragged to the microphone one or more of the useful idiots supporting non-science in order to abuse the sceptics uninterrupted and unchallenged.


  26. Will says:

    It’s how they tell ’em. The BBC report on findings of higher absence levels in the public sector is entirely focussed on & is wholly sympathetic to the plight of those poor unappreciated folk

    Compared with the private sector, more public sector employees are in challenging public facing roles such as social work, policing, teaching and nursing

    Even the dangerously right wing Independent is more balanced its report


  27. Martin says:

    The BBC have been bleating about ‘ouzin benefit’ being capped and how unfair this is to people who might not now be ale to live in those rich leafy areas.

    So what about those of us who struggle to pay a mortgage and thanks to Nu Liebour now find our houses worth less than a Gordon Brwon promise?

    Many people have to live miles from where they might like to live because of the cost of housing, why should the bone idle be given an exception?


  28. Dazed-and-Confused says:

    The BBC report that the American Tea Party = The EDL in Britain shocker!!!……

    Kill two birds with one stone perhaps, in one laudable ten minute slot of “uniquely” biased, left wing propaganda?


    • deegee says:

      Odder and odder
      I can’t think of any Rabbi in politics (other than in Israel). I don’t know how much Shifrin really understands about the EDL or for the matter the Tea Party.

      His opponent, Jonathan Friedland did make one strange assertion. He claimed that Muslims are the major target of racism and violence in the UK. Actually it is the Jews which probably explains why (at least anecdotally) the Jewish population is preparing in case they have to leave in a hurry and the Muslims are moving in.


    • Bof says:

      Strange beeboid comparison.
      ThinkPolitics thinks UKIP is the UK Tea Party


    • Dez says:

      Actually it was; “The BBC report that [according to Nachum Shifren] the American Tea Party = The EDL in Britain”.

      Shifren was given ample airtime to state his case.

      Don’t quite see how that translates to; ten minutes of “‘uniquely’ biased, left wing propaganda”?


  29. deegee says:

    Advance warning
    Cambridge Union Society
    This House believes the BBC is Failing the Country Thu, 2nd Dec at 7:30pm – 9:30pm


    • Umbongo says:


      Looking at the non-student participants, I suspect it’s going to be another of those events where the BBC will be criticised for not being lefty enough.  Although Roger Alton’s politics are shrouded in mystery stints at the Indy and the Observer (leavened by his latest appointment at the Times) don’t bode well for an onslaught on BBC bias.


  30. Manfred VR says:

    Guardian article ‘BBC in meltdown before deal’ http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/25/bbc-licence-fee-mark-thompson
    a rather garbled account of Thompson’s negotiations regarding the over 75’s telly tax.
    The usual squealing in the CiF, although a fair number of dissenting voices.
    I had my twopennies worth.
    What I object to with the BBC, is the undisguised left wing bias displayed by too many newsreaders and commentators.
    I hardly watch any BBC, but I am forced to pay a telly tax, called the licence fee, to watch ITV or Sky.
    If I was a Labour supporter, I would, no doubt, be delighted with the free propaganda spouted out by Paxman, Humphries, Dimbleby et al (particularly Dimbleby with his Vote Labour show, QT; and who was incidentally a member of the Bullington Club).
    As I don’t support any party, I want bias free reporting of facts, not opinions. I don’t want bias by ommission such as the Tower Hamlets voting scandal going on at the moment; Or prejudiced reporting (Think Bowen on Israel).
    All I want is the unvarnished Truth. Now that’s not a lot to ask of an institution that has a requirement for impartiality written into it’s Charter.
    Well, as far as I can see the BBC has broken it’s charter and needs purging of it’s institutional bias.
    Surely everyone just wants to bedtold the truth?


  31. Guest Who says:

    Caught the Jeremy Vine show, and was frankly amazed… until I find out Jezza was off for the school hols to Kitsry’s villa or somesuch, being deputised for by Matthew Bannister.

    It was, of course, still cuts, cuts and… CUTS all round, but this time things went a bit astray.

    There was some screaming harpie from the SWP ‘debating’ by phone in counter to a rather hard-nosed but calm ‘businesswoman’ (classic JVS ‘twofer’), but Mr. B was having none of the silly SWP bint’s daft one-trick claims and even nailed her with ‘but… what is your alternative?/where’s the money to come from’ several times. And even cut off her spluttering rants and interruptions, too.

    Don’t see him getting invited to chair a lucrative conference or two as a ‘thank you’ from the interest groups the BBC and its employees usually rely on to supplement meagre incomes.

    Sadly, it was too good to last. Someone dashed into the edit suite to ensure every ‘we want certain views’ caller or emailer did not ask silly stuff about where the money pixie is coming from, and instead banged on about evil banks all the time.

    Which is where the critiques dried up, with some rich material laid out so easily for the taking. One bozo was moaning how his sorry company was based on such a sh*te premise it was about to go under, but the banks were not lending him more to p*ss away. Er… this is what got them in the doo-doo last time, and dragged us with ’em. I fly no flag for the sorry bankers, but you can’t moan about the money pixie in one breath and then demand those we taxpayers keep bailing out lend to any daft notion no matter what.

    Then it went all Jeremy Kyle with some bizarre tale about a UK granny getting shafted by her Gambian top boy.

    That was dumbing down too far. But the metaphor of a bunch of less than bright UK BBC phone-in fodder going for the black with their eyes wide open and ending up in the red with the mess being pretty much for everyone else to empathise with was… apt.

    They didn’t, but I have expected Aunty to advocate the taxpayer got some compo fund going for the poor dears so’s they could add another teary demographic if and when it got pulled down the line.

    ‘The Puglsy Horny Sad Granny line is now open for your donation…’


  32. james1070 says:

    I was listening to segment on Radio 4 last week about 19th Century Germany. One commentators said “But you must remember 19th century German nationalism was left wing, it wasn’t like the nasty 20th century nationalism.”

    But if you read any of the writings of “left wing” 19th century German Nationalists they all sound alot like Uncle Adolf.

    The guests on the BBC have lost the plot.


    • Umbongo says:

      Although the BBC won’t tell you this, Wagner was famously nationalist and left-wing in his (relative) youth which is why, after the failure of the 1848/9 revolution in Saxony, he fled to Switzerland.  It was only in the mid-1850s – under the influence of Schopenhauer’s philosophy – that Wagner dropped the lefty part of his lunatic political beliefs.  However, he remained a vicious anti-Semite until the day he died so, from the BBC’s perspective, it wasn’t all downhill.


      • james1070 says:

        You are so correct, it was Wagners speeches from the 1848 revolution I was thinking off. Wagner only really dropped his lefty ideals because Mad King Lugwig gave him wads of cash to build an Opera house and produce his operas.


  33. david fitzgerald says:

    anyone see DC on the BBC CBI live report,yet again there were problems,came to his speeech late,interference with the picture….
    Didn’t have this when liebore were on the BEEB…
    And we pay their wages……


  34. George R says:

    INBBC: what Islamic Jihadist?

    “Canadian militant pleads guilty in Guantanamo tribunal”



    • deegee says:

      The opening paragraph is even ‘better’. 
      Canadian militant pleads guilty at Guantanamo tribunal 

      Canadian Omar Khadr, the youngest detainee at Guantanamo Bay, has pleaded guilty to all five terror charges against him at a war crimes tribunal. 

      Please tell me again why does the BBC call them militants even after they plead guilty on terrorism charges.


    • Dez says:

      Yes, of course the BBC should mention the religion of all terrorists; and look forward to a description of “Christian terrorists” in Northern Ireland.


      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Didn’t they used to, when it was officially Catholics versus Protestants back in the day?  “Sectarian violence” and all that, I mean. That sort of counts. Now, of course, there’s a Peace Process Government or whatever, so whenever one of the Real IRA blows up a car, it’s considered against that government and not specifically religion-based.  Supposedly.


        • Dez says:

          “Catholic/Protestant terrorist”? Yeah, maybe a long time ago. Don’t ever recall hearing any one described as a “Christian Terrorist”.

          No doubt many people would (quite rightly) object to such a description; and yet the term “Muslim Terrorist” is ok, and furthermore (according to some), should be encouraged?


          • David Preiser (USA) says:

            I did mean it was in the past.  But my point was just about mentioning the religion of the perp(s).  In that scene, the violence was done on a religious basis.  Not really “in the name of” either church, of course, and obviously there are political overtones which are ultimately more important than where one takes communion.  But the Catholic/Protestant labels were used regularly to describe those doing the violence.

            What differentiates that scene from the current one, though, is that according to the ones who do the violence we all like to call “terrorism”, they’re doing it in the name of Islam, on behalf of Islam sort of thing.  In their own minds, at least.  Using the T-word for the old Troubles is a different matter, as it wasn’t really used much during that period, but has been in regular use now for quite some time.

            Having said that, I wouldn’t object at all to calling a car-bombing by one of these new Real IRA dopes “Catholic Terrorism”.  It would make a lot of people squirm, for sure.  But it would open up a very interesting discussion, no?


  35. George R says:

    BBC-NUJ and its use of prejudicial language, e.g. ‘lone parent’ and ‘single parent’. For BBC-NUJ information, a child has two biological parents.

    The organisation ‘Families needs Fathers’ correctly distinguishes between ‘resident’ and ‘non-resident’ parents.

    “Charity warning on benefit change for single parents”



    • Dez says:

      I suppose ‘single resident parent’ may be a more accurate description. You’d have my support, and should write to the chair-person of your local gender equalities commission.


  36. Manfred VR says:

    Labour isn’t opposing the Government. Even the BBC is doing a better job – Norman Tebbit in the Telegraph


    ‘The trouble is that, with the Lib Dems muzzled by the Coalition, and the Conservative Right reluctant to rock the boat, the only coherent challenge to the Government’s thinking comes from the media, not least the BBC’

    Says it all, really.


  37. London Calling says:

    Some of us will remember Stephanie Flanders before her elevation to Beeb-onomics guru ambushing Dave on his proposals (in oppositionat the time) to dole out some kind of largesse to single parents. She declared she was a single parent and didn’t want his money. 

    Technically she was correct, but de facto was a liar. She was/is single and a mother of children, however she ommitted to point out she had lived with the father of the children as man and wife all the time and just hadn’t got round to getting married.

    I wouldn’t trust a Chaaariteeee on statistics for anything. Naturally the Beeb just repeat it because it fits the narrative of evil Tories who hate the poor.


  38. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Snubbed RI Democrat Says Obama Can Take His Endorsement and “Shove It”

    President Obama Monday is heading to Rhode Island to visit a manufacturing facility and make remarks at a fundraiser, but Democratic gubernatorial candidate Frank Caprio is hardly rolling out the welcome mat.
    “He can take his endorsement and really shove it,” Caprio, who recently discovered the president will not be supporting him, told Providence radio station WPRO Monday morning.

    Caprio says he was told by a reporter Sunday night that the president would not be endorsing him. A campaign spokesman for former Senator Lincoln Chafee told the Providence Journal that the lack of endorsement was a “victory” for the Republican-turned-independent, who endorsed President Obama in 2008.

    is he racist now?  Does this Democrat not understand the triumph of ObamaCare?  How about it, BBC?


  39. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Now the anger comes out against those who will betray Him.  Mark Mardell is in Massachusetts, talking to Democrats who are disappointe in the President.

    Disgruntle Democrats in the Bay State

    “I am one of the disappointed early adopters. I bought into bought the whole promise, because we wanted it so badly.”

    The thin-faced middle-aged man dressed in bohemian black is exactly the sort of person the president will be aiming at when he goes on the Jon Stewart show mid-week, and in his weekend blitz to get out the Democratic vote.

    Jon Stewart has sold himself out to support the President and fight the good fight.  He’s even going to hold a big rally – paid for by Comedy Central and Viacom – to support Him.  No comments from any Beeboids about media bias and influence here, as it’s not Fox News.

    Mardell goes on to find several Democrats who voted for Him, but are disappointed because He hasn’t done enough to shift the country further to the Left.  But Mardell is worried.

    Massachusetts is still an overwhelmingly liberal, Democratic state. It certainly doesn’t seem gripped by Tea Party fever. But from Bullets bar to the Cafe on the Common it is those who stay firmly sat on their bar stools and trendy metal chairs who may do the president’s party, and its agenda, the most harm.

    Oh, dear.  He is rebuking the faithful.

    The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him.

    Deutoronomy 28:20


    • Martin says:

      Perhaps Mardell needs reminding of who won Ted Kennedy’s seat again.


      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Mardell referred to that as “warning bells”.  He knows about it, but thinks it was a sign that far-Left Democrats were disappointed and voted to the Right.  It doesn’t make sense to me, but that’s his story and he’s sticking to it.


  40. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Firefox extension makes social networking ID spoofing trivial

    “When it comes to user privacy, SSL is the elephant in the room,” said Eric Butler, the developer of the extension in question, dubbed Firesheep. By installing and running it, anyone can “sniff out” the unencrypted HTTP sessions currently allowing users on that network segment to access social networks, online services and other website requiring a login, and simply hijack them and impersonate the user.

    “As soon as anyone on the network visits an insecure website known to Firesheep, their name and photo will be displayed,” explains Butler. “Double-click on someone, and you’re instantly logged in as them.”

    A new excuse for Beeboids caught making biased tweets.  “I wuz hacked, m’lud.”


  41. OhThisBloodyPC says:

    Dear BBC Fans,

    I quite like some aspects of the BBC. but something always comes along to spoil it.

    I used to like watching CBeebies, for example, with my daughter.

    Then one day the presenters sang their version of a Nursery Rhyme, called Polly Had a Dolly. (click so see lyrics)

    The story of the rhyme is that Polly has a dolly who is sick, sick, sick
    In the next verse, she calls for a doctor to come Quick, quick, quick
    He does too, and offers a pill, pill, pill
    And the story sends with the doctor promising to be back in the morning with his bill, bill, bill

    Not on Cbeebies however. 

    Somone somewhere obviously decided that the masses can’t be fed any positive messages about private medicine.

    So they changed the ending. I can’t remember what to exactly, but it something like “And the NHS is the envy of the world, world, world.”

    Help me please.

    Is there a name for this sort of censorship?

    I’ve got another post in a minute. 

    But how do you start a new thread?


  42. George R says:

    BBC-NUJ: don’t mention Mass Immigration –

    “Fifth of primaries full or overcrowded, figures show”



    “The Impact of Migration on Education”



  43. james1070 says:

    Just letting you know Mark Thompson has a blog post at the Guardian.



  44. David Preiser (USA) says:

    More BBC censorship and BS about Wikihacks:

    Wikileaks Iraq war documents: the key issues

    Naturally, it focuses exclusively on civilian deaths, torture, and a ilttle bit about Iran.  To some people – anti-this-war Beeboids – these are the only issues.

    In reality, key issues have been censored by the BBC.

    They mention the death toll, but then try to discredit the relatively low figure by pointing to Iraq Body Count.  They do not mention that there have been more deaths in South Africa during the same period as a comparison, because that would ruin the narrative.  Don’t want to put it into context or point out that the Lancet and all Beeboid statements based on it are now totally discredited, and reduce the emotional impact in anyway, right, BBC?

    Also no mention of the infighting at Wikihacks HQ:

    A civil war at the heart of Wikileaks has virtually paralysed the whistle-blowing website from publishing any new exposés outside of the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs, say former staffers and volunteers.

    This is what it’s about:

    At least a dozen key supporters of the website are known to have left in recent months. They say Wikileaks has ignored reams of new exposés because so much attention has been paid to the Iraq and Afghan conflicts.

    Assange is even getting rid of his own people if they challenge him about the failure to redact names of individuals from the documents.

    Assange used his hacking skills to start Wikihacks and encourage law-breaking from insiders specifically because he is anti-this-war.  That’s his only goal, and now that it’s done, he doesn’t care about anything else.  Assange and Wkihacks used illegal methods to get this information for the express purpose of harming US interests.

    No discussion of this by the BBC.  Instead, they distract you with emotional content.


  45. Martin says:

    Gavin ‘the twat’ Essler on Newsnight laying into Lib Dem MP who supports pension reform, Liebour MP gets and uninterrupted easy ride.


    • Will says:

      And in the discussion on competitive devaluations didn’t Essler slowly realise that the boring guy from Japan was in fact an ally as he was calling for mega fiscal stimulus (just like that genius Mc Bust & contrary to that Cameron toff).


  46. Martin says:

    So it’s doom and gloom again as the BBC promote the “decline in economic output” from the GLORIOUS growth of the previous 3 months.

    Can anyone remember how the BBC triumphed the tiny grown we had earlier in the year as a success? And how old slapper Flanders kept reminding us that the growth figures “may well be adjusted up  later on”

    Don’t expect any of that today and I notice that Mandelmong has surfaced again.


    • Samantha Vickers says:

      I notice that these rather good figures are described by Stephanie “Floundering” Flanders as

      “The lurking fear, in these numbers, can only be that the UK is behind the curve.”

      What lurking fear can there be in these figures? The only fear I would imagine is from the Flounderer herself as her figures and estimates are proved wrong yet again….

      Best she returns to her favourite subject of politics and gives up on the economics.


      • Grant says:

        Flanders is a joke. If the UK is behind the curve it is because the recession was deeper and longer hear. The way Beeboids twist everything to fit their political agenda is quite psychopathic.


  47. Guest Who says:

    I usually quite enjoy stuff James May is involved with. He’s genial enough and seems to play with toys I can appreciate.

    However I do wonder if his paycheques from the BBC do get dusted by the money pixies to arrive at this…


    Communal bike hire is great – but do we have to help advertise a bank?

    Fortunately, grubby bloggers do seem to have been on hand to help this ‘journalist’ get his head around how things can, or cannot get paid for, even when it does not fall under a luvvie view of what is and isn’t worthy of support to make more affordable for all.

    There’s even a nifty comment pointing out the unique funding enjoyed by his employers that seems to have passed our hero by in making his ‘argument’.


  48. Martin says:

    Oh dear, the BBC sound like someone shot their rent boy. Economic growth was 0.8% (double expected figures).

    “This is nothing to do with the new Government” was the BBC comment (of course if it had been 0 it would have ALL been the fault of the new Government)


    • Will says:

      But 0.8% quarterly growth is being talked down (isn’t that approaching 3.5% pa – well above historic average?). Interviewing glum folk in Sunderland it is described by the beeboid as “slight” growth & of course it will do nothing for hardworkin’families.


    • ap-w says:

      Yes, well spotted Martin. A year ago the BBC were also screwing up their predictions of the figures, but in the other direction. I remember the day last October when we woke up to be told we would be out of recession later that day, and the figures ended up being negative. Today i woke up to be told that it was expected that the growth would be lower than expected, specifically at 0.4%. It makes you wonder whether all their “the BBC understands that…” stuff is equally slanted. If they need to pre-empt the announcement at least get it right for hell’s sake.


      • Martin says:

        Spot on, the BBC were bigging up “coming out of recession” (prompted by the likes of Toenails and Peston being given their orders from McBust) then had to eat their words afterwards.

        Now it’s the other way around, the 0.8% growth figures may well be rounded DOWN the BBC tells us and as Radio 5 reminded us “this is nothing to do with the new Government” unlike of course if the figures had been really bad in which case it would have all been the fault of the new Government.


    • Manfred VR says:

      I wonder if someone from the coalition gave the BBC a bum steer about the figures, just to make them look twats when the real figures came out.
      I woke up this morning to hear the BBC crowing from the rooftops about how bad these figures would be.
      They managed to put a negative spin on the real figures by saying growth was DOWN from 1.2% in quarter 2, to 0.8% in quarter 3.
      Sky are describing the growth as UP from Q3 last year.
      I can’t work out which country I’m in. A country after 13 glorious years has been taken over by jackbooted thugs who are destroying the economy and sacking innocent public workers (BBC vision) or, a country bought to it’s knees by a demented spendaholic, which is now, under a new administration, doing what it can to mitigate 13 years of profligacy and waste.


  49. Betty Swollocks says:

    Ha ha ha the beboids seem rather naffed off the growth figures were much better than expected.


  50. Martin says:

    Of course the BBC will try to big up the one eyed twat from fife as being the hero. He’s not, I can tell the BBC what’s happened, not that they will listen.

    During the recession, many private companies didn’t do what had happened in the past (sack staff) because they knew this would be a short recession, so they negotiated with staff (as my own company did) to get staff to take pay cuts, pay freezes, early retirement, unpaid leave and so on. This was only possible because the trade unions have been exterminated from most of the private sector. So now the economy is bouncing back private companies don’t have to look and recruit more staff as they held on to most of them.

    This of course will be totally missed by the BBC who will try to make out that the public sector is being badly treated. If the unions got out of the way a lot of public sector jobs could be saved if the staff negotiated in the real world with management.