OPEN THREAD…


Monday morning, a new week and so time for a new Open Thread!

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  1. hippiepooter says:

    This is truly AWESOME!! 
     
     
         

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  2. hippiepooter says:

    Not coming on the BBC any time soon!

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  3. RCE says:

    During their copious, hand-wringing coverage of the floods, has anyone spotted the BBC pointing out that Pakistan spends over 70% of its GDP on the military?

    Or, that given the majority of Pakistanis (both at home and within the global diaspora) view 9/11 as deserved retribution (Allah be praised) for the evils of the US, how the same people view their own country’s travails?

    And I wonder how last week’s insensitive drone strikes in flood-stricken North-West Frontier Province would’ve gone down if the last President was in the chair?

    Do let me know if I’ve missed the balanced and neutral coverage from our esteemed national broadcaster!

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    • John Anderson says:

      The UK has already given copiously.  But the BBC tries to blame any shortfall on Cameron’s true remarks about Pakistan’s two-faced attitude to terrorists who are killing our troops.

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    • deegee says:

      Pakistan spends 3% of GDP on the military.  :-[

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      • RCE says:

        Google shows you to be correct!  I’m away from home so can’t get to my source (I think it’s Military Inc by Ayesha Siddiqui – but may be wrong about this too); as I cannot refute it, I accept your correction.  I got it wrong. 

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        • Philip says:

          It’s less to do with GDP than attitude. If the West ponies up billions in Jizya every year, then why are we surprised when they take it?

          If we stopped, perhaps they would get their backsides out of the Masjids and do something to help themselves for a change.

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  4. John Anderson says:

    It looks like Mann’s Hockey Stick is finally demolished – even using his own data,  ignoring any cherrypicking etc, PROPER statistical analysis shows there is no reliable indication of unprecedented global warming.  That Mann’s statistical abilities are pants.

    The foundation of the whole AGW case is that we live in unprecedentedly high temperatures.  Case closed.

    But the BBC will not report this – or if they do,  they will wait for the Warmists’ twist.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/14/breaking-new-paper-makes-a-hockey-sticky-wicket-of-mann-et-al-99/

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/14/breaking-new-paper-makes-a-hockey-sticky-wicket-of-mann-et-al-99/

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  5. Pounce says:

    Have you noticed that when the bBC report on Non-Islamic state executions US/Japan (other than China) the person in the chair is always made out to be innocent. Forget the horrible crimes they have committed they are always seen as victims of society and the state as evil.  Well here is how the bBC reports on the executions of 2 people on the most arbitrary of evidence.  
    Taliban ‘kill adulterous Afghan couple’ in marketplace  
    According to the bBC headline they are gulity. None of this..well the state (In this case the taliban) are barbaric in doing so. To the bBC these people are gulity and by allah they have paid the price.  
    Which may explain why the bBC doesn’t get Amnesty, The MCB, MPACUK and the rest of the fuck-ers the bBC drips over when it comes to defending the odious gay death cult  know as Islam to comment on these murders.

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    • Martin says:

      Notice how the BBC report makes no mention of a fair trial nor does the BBC go to the usual rent a quote lot for a comment on unfair trials.

      How come the BBC can write pages on Gitmo but not on this sort of murder?

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        It’s the soft racism of lowered expectations.

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Hey, the BBC is actually talking about how the couple were killed without trial, no justice at all, even calling it “cruel”.  Of course, the Beeboids only got upset now because, while the woman was killed by the stoning, apparently the man survived, so the Taliban came back and shot him dead.

        The BBC would have accepted it quietly if this hadn’t happened, I bet.  Of course now, Beeboid in Kabul extrapolates from this to claim that this is proof that the Taliban control most of northern Afghanistan, rule everything, even collecting taxes now.

        Sopel follows his lead and asks, “How could this happen in Afghanistan?”  Beeboid in Kabul replies that Karzai condemns this, says it’s “un-Islamic” (er, no, it’s uncivilized, but perfectly kosher for Islam), really nasty, but hey, the Taliban control the North, and the war is being lost again.

        The BBC never fails to seize an opportunity.

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    • hippiepooter says:

      Pounce, I just read the report.  Are you sure it justifies your comments? How is putting in scare quotes ‘kill adulterous Afghan couple’ saying that they are ‘guilty’?  Normailly the use of scare quotes by the BBC has people drawing the opposite conclusion.

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      • Martin says:

        That’s a rather subtle view, the BBC should simply state the facts, these people were murdered by people who follow a vile religion.

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      • Pounce says:

        Yes it does, the bBC only refers to aid groups when its the evil nasty west who have looked funny at a Muslim. When Muslims chop off heads, hang gays or evens tone women to death the bBC not only keeps such stories on display for a very short time but they don’t do anything in which to offend the guilty, Iran,Hamas,Hezb-allah taliban because they know that if they told the truth they not only can get killed but their access to the area will be curtailed.  The latter is the primary reason why the bBC adopts the stance of anybody who is fighting the west.

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  6. The Beebinator says:

    more pro-agw from Al Beeb, this time cold water dolphins have gone to live on Europa (the sixth moon of the planet Jupiter) as its the only place in the universe cold enough for them to live, and species of dolphin that like warmer waters are now here

    so where are the great white sharks if we have warmer waters?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10980145

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  7. deegee says:

    Inside Israel’s commando unit which raided Gaza flotilla
    Israel’s elite commando unit which raided a Turkish aid flotilla sailing to Gaza in May has given Panorama exclusive access to its top secret operatives.

    Has Israel gone insane? The only thing the IDF should show the BBC is the door, preferably if they are travelling in a submarine at the time.

    The BBC has a clear record of bias amounting to anti-Israel incitement. If they felt a foreign news service should be given access they should find the least objectionable one and let the BBC pay for the privilege of broadcasting it.

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    • John Anderson says:

      I believe Jane Corbin is the reporter for this – and I believe she may give a fair account ?  She is not one of Bowen’s team.

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  8. Nick Darlington says:

    Is it possible to listen to BBC News or Radio 4 for more than 15 minutes without hearing the words ‘Muslim’ or ‘Pakistan’? I am still inclined to watch BBC TV and listen to Radio 4 simply to avoid annoying, repetitive commercials etc on the other channels but I think that will change. Examples from my limited listening time this weekend only – Radio 4 Saturday morning 10.30 ‘Why are there so few Asian faces in the UK pop charts… OK there aren’t many so one Asian person was asked if he liked someone such as Morrissey anyway – ‘Oh no – far too white’ was the reply. Hmm OK no discrimination there then. The Today programme this morning – Banking for muslims. As the muslim population is the fastest growing in the UK not only should we have Ethical Banking aimed at Muslims – all of the population should look to this (according to some Muslim ‘expert’. And of course to top it all that scurrilous UIN leader Ban Ki Moon combining his global warming mantra with the demand for our hard earned money to be given to Pakistan…. Yes maybe local radio and its traffic information is a better option.   

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    • Rueful Red says:

      Banking for Mohammedans doesn’t seem to be going all that well – may have something to do with the BCCI scam, when a Muzzie walked off with the money.

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    • Maturecheese says:

      It appears that Pakistan is having trouble getting donations for the flooding.  Is anyone surprised?  They show contempt for us one minute then want large donations the next.  Why don’t they ask their Muslim bothers in Saudi to cough up the readies?

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  9. deegee says:

    Warning labels for medial coverage. Can this be a formatting device for B-BBC like the smilies?

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  10. Cassandra King says:

    Hey ho and off we go?

    The BBC are reporting a start to the Australian general election…well…er…only the ALP(Australian labour party) led by Rudds replacement Gillard of course, we are treated to statesperson like pictures of Gillard on stage and she gets to spout her Obama copy cat calls of change you can believe in etc.
    What of the right wing opposition then? Well according to the impartial musing of one Nick Bryant the leader of the oppostion is a joke, he is known only for wearing swimming trunks known as budgie smugglers. Er what no policies then Nick? No no no the oppostion have no actual policies you see, their leader is a national joke far less popular than Gillard and he wears budgie smugglers when he goes swimming you know! Oooh the humanity!
    So Nick treats us to his scalpal like insights into the Australian election, it is he states with a smirk a soap opera….huuuuh? Oh yes the BBC thinks the Australian election is a soap opera like neighbours does he?
    Oooh the sharp stunning intelligence, the razor sharp insight and the pin sharp political cleverness… this is why the BBC leads the world in political reporting eh?
    A report that makes such stunning conclusions that Gillard is styling her campaign on that of Obama and the leader of the oppostion is a joke who wears swimming trunks when he goes swimming and is a national joke who wears budgie smugglers while enjoying the undoubted position of village idiot…cor blimey strike a light cobber you Pommies are whip sharp! Who needs policy analysis and careful examination of poll numbers and a balanced view of the party stances and structures eh?

    So why is Tony Abbot such an enemy of the BBC? Well Abbot is a political criminal of the worst kind in the BBCs book, he is a climate denialist/sceptic and he is a capitalist and a conservative, he is a free market advocate and a believer in stamping down on the people smuggling trade which the ALP have allowed to flourish and thrive. Abbot is everything the BBC hates and despises in a political enemy and they will do everything in their power to destroy him, he is hated by the BBC with as much intensity as they hated Thatcher, yet their only avenue of attack is smears and personal attacks because his policies are popular with voters. It shows the poisonous and spiteful BBC perfectly.

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    • Rueful Red says:

      Abbott is also a Roman Catholic, which really does put him beyond the Pale.

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      • deegee says:

        RC? Australia and the Liberal Party have surely changed since I lived there. It used to be the ALP had the Irish and the Italians.

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    • Grant says:

      If Abbot ( I mean Tony, not the lovely Diane ) wins, the BBC will stop reporting from Australia immediately.

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  11. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Here’s something the BBC isn’t going to like, and won’t tell you about:


    Congressional Report Blasts the Propaganda Presidency, Accuses Administration of Abuse of Office


    The Obama Administration frequently used federal resources to promote the President’s agenda. In many cases, the Administration relied on the reach and resources of federal agencies and their personnel to promote certain of the President’s favorite programs. The White House also leveraged ties to the arts and entertainment community to embed propaganda in the content of television programming and artwork. These propaganda efforts violated appropriations riders and federal law prohibiting the use of appropriated funds for publicity or propaganda purposes.

    The White House also used its inherent visibility advantages to multiply the effectiveness of websites containing misleading and controversial information. The White House used its resources to push visitors to websites that urge grassroots activism based on false and misleading information. The President’s right to sell his policy recommendations to Congress and the public is not disputed; however, using the resources of the federal government to activate a sophisticated propaganda and lobbying campaign is an abuse of office and a betrayal of the President’s pledge to create “an unprecedented level of openness in Government.”

    The bit I’ve bolded will not come as a surprise to people here.  I’ve emailed Darrel Issa’s office to tell them that they should use BBC broadcasting and the website as evidence.

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    • Grant says:

      I seem to recall years ago Blair had an all expenses paid holiday in the Gulf. The media got wind of it and Blair claimed to be making a donation to charity but I don’t think we ever found out how much.
      Expect similar behaviour with the book. Blair is basically a con-man.

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  12. Martin says:

    The BBC is really vile, the narrative is on Bliar and his shitty book is that he’s a hero for giving it away. Sure blood money you BBC twats, Sky gave Bliar a good pounding, the BBC gives us Bliars biographer. I’m waiting for a beeboid to tell us that “Thatcher never did this”

    No doubt the BBC will arse lick Bliar and have him on every beeboid output going like they did with Campbell.

    Eff off BBC scum.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      They’re obviously very conflicted over this.  They want to condemn Blair, but can’t because they don’t want to be accused yet again of not supporting the troops.  The production meetings trying to figure this out must be very entertaining.

      It was amusing watching Sopel trying to get Diane Abbott to criticize Blair, yet she made the smartest move of her political career and kept her mouth shut.  Andrew Neil’s lesson well learned, I guess.

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    • Natsman says:

      I hope he remembers to keep a pretty large chunk back in order to pay the bail when he’s (hopefully) inevitably charged with war crimes…

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  13. David Preiser (USA) says:

    If the BBC doesn’t report this, it will be hard evidence of how their anti-Israel bias taints their editorial stance so that they will not mention things which might upset Muslim sensibilities, even if it means allowing anti-Semitism to flourish.

    At the Death Camps, Muslim Leaders Grapple With Jews’ Pain

    “There is a view that there is growing anti-Semitism in the Muslim world, reinforced by people like President [Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad, that there is growing Holocaust denial in the Muslim world,” explained Breger, now a law professor at Catholic University. “In light of that, the idea was to offer education to those who might not have the kind of knowledge that we’ve had about World War II and the Jewish community, and to do this in a public way.”

    It is impossible to know what the long-term impact of such a trip will be. But if the heartfelt comments of the trip participants — including some with a history of previous statements that many Jews view as problematic — are any guide, Breger did not underestimate the value of direct experience in promoting education, understanding and even, perhaps, change.

    Check out the first picture, and imagine how wonderful it would be to see it prominently displayed on the BBC News Online front page.  At last, they would be doing something truly useful for their Social Cohesion mandate.

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  14. Martin says:

    God I’m so EFFING angry at the BBC for giving Bliar airtime with his shit book. Is it really the top news story BBC mongs? How many soldiers have to die in one day to be the top story?

    Oh and why has the BBC decided that ending mixed sex hospital wards is now a bad idea? Radio 5 and News 24 have been hammering the Tories all day on this, even though it was Liebour policy?

    Can anyone remember the BBC opposing single sex wards when Liebour were in power as I can’t?

    Why does the BBC feel the need to oppose everything the Government does? they hardly ever raised a single opposition to Liebour when they were in power.

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    • Buggy says:

      Female beeboid sitting in for J. Vine with the following (paraphrased)  regarding single-sex wards:

      “Well, yes, in a perfect world obviously this would be done, but it’s not a perfect world and we’re all subject to financial constraints”.

      1) “Not a perfect world”

      Pretty sure that world perfection was seen by the Beeb as very achievable under the last gov’t. I’m assuming it’s not been a “perfect world” since the day the coalition took over and the kindly reign of St Gordon The-Not-At-All-Incompetent-Oh-No came to a premature and tragic end.

      2) “We’re all subject to financial constraints”

      Really glad I wasn’t having lunch listening to this, ‘cos I’d have choked to death and my posting here would be proof positive of the afterlife.

      Seriously, what bloody financial constraints have been placed upon the poor, oppressed beeboids ? Are they all sleeping rough ? If things are that bad, you’d think they’d be grateful for the chance to move to Salford, “Oop North” where the cost of living is cheaper, wouldn’t you now ?

      Still, guest numero uno, a consultant of some kind, did furnish us with a touching story about his fathers time in hospital when he had been subject to some weird (“and distressing”) behaviour from another bloke: obviously this shows that single-sex wards are not really a good thing, and just to reinforce the point we had further anecdotes about a couple of game old gals who seem to have spent their time wandering around a ward starkers. (Didn’t say whether they were lookers or not, which would really determine how distressing their antics were I’d have thunk….)

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      • NotaSheep says:

        Oddly the BBC did not recognise the concept of financial constraints when Labour were in power and spending money like it was going out of fashion. Then nobody was allowed to voice the question “How are we to pay for this?”

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        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          In the minds of Beeboids and their watermelon fellow travelers, the concept of sustainability applies only to energy dreams, not fiscal policy.

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  15. Martin says:

    Jock shit on BBC 6PM news (Ian Watson) just said (I kid you not) that “This is the sort of thing Tony Blair would do”

    I nearly threw up.

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    • Buggy says:

      “This is the sort of thing Tony Blair would do”

      Not a very chivalrous way to refer to the toothsome Cherie, eh, BBC?

      I did throw up.

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  16. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Still waiting for the BBC to notice that even the JournoList-infested Washington Post (home to friends of Beeboids and the paper which had to apologize for being biased in favor of The Obamessiah during the election) agrees with me about the BBC’s second-favorite leader in the Western Hemisphere:

    How Chávez tries to hide the truth about his government


    ONE OF the principal goals of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez’s foreign policy is preventing governments or international organizations from telling the truth about him. Over the past couple of years, captured documents and other evidence have established beyond any reasonable doubt that Mr. Chávez’s regime has provided haven and material support to the FARC movement in neighboring Colombia — a group that is known for massacres of civilians, hostage taking and drug trafficking, and that has been designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department and the European Union. That places Mr. Chávez in violation of U.N. Security Council resolutions and, at least in theory, exposes him to U.S. and international sanctions.

    Luckily for Mr. Chávez, the Obama administration and other Security Council members have shown little interest in recognizing what, in terms of state sponsorship of terrorism, amounts to a smoking gun. But discussion and debate about the evidence — such as Colombia’s recent presentation to a meeting of the Organization of American States — makes this ostrich act difficult to continue. So Mr. Chávez has dedicated himself to bullying and intimidating those who dare to speak publicly about what everyone in the Western Hemisphere knows to be true.

    Fortunately, the BBC is right there to help him.

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  17. fred bloggs says:

    Not certain whether this is bias or stupidity.  bBC R4 news 6pm, talking about Blair and his book donation.  They interviewed, an old agent of his( could be wrong about the person), anyway they broadcast what he said about Blair’s donation.  ‘Blair is not driven by money’,  

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  18. John Anderson says:

    Trevor Kavanagh had a full-centre-page page article in the Sun today attacking the BBC,  its utter bias and its profligacy and hypocrisy :

    But no link yet.

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    • Millie Tant says:

      Why couldn’t I find it on The Sun website last night? I looked all  over the place on the site and then did a Search and still nothing. Then did a Google search.  I wonder if it was  pulled. Or was it in some other paper?

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      • John Anderson says:

        I saw it in yesterday’s print edition.  The full page next to the 2 editorials.  But as you say – no sign of it on the website.

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  19. TrueToo says:

    The World Service spun the Blair issue like so:

    *Brought in two bereaved people whose loved ones had died in Iraq and mostly let them blast Blair and wax cynical about Blair’s donation of over 4 million pounds advance on his book plus profits to… I forget the organisation.

    *Defended Blair mildly against the onslaught, but brought in nobody else to offer a contrasting point of view.

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  20. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Still waiting for the BBC to report this story:


    Turkey Accused of Using Chemical Weapons Against PKK

    German experts have confirmed the authenticity of photographs that purport to show PKK fighters killed by chemical weapons. The evidence puts increasing pressure on the Turkish government, which has long been suspected of using such weapons against Kurdish rebels. German politicians are demanding an investigation.

    The last we heard from the BBC about them was that the PKK is bad news, intimidating the locals who don’t like them, and threatening more terrorism if Turkey doesn’t grant them autonomy.  The BBC probably wouldn’t want to make Turkey look bad these days, considering how the Beeboids need to hold the country up as a respected bulwark against Israeli nastiness.

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  21. 1327 says:

    Did anyone else catch todays (Monday) Radio 4 PM coverage of the calls for a proper inquest into the death of David Kelly ? It was very odd indeed. The article started with mentions of the calls for the inquest and then followed it up with two lengthy interviews but both were with Doctors who both told the same story – that there was no need for an inquest the initial one on Kelly was totally correct. One of these interviews was 2 or 3 minutes long the other nearly 10 minutes. There were no interviews with anyone who though there should be another inquest !

    It seems to me the Beeb has a vested interest in there not being another inquest. I suspect they are very nervous about what could come out either about their treatment of Kelly leading to his death or their part in a possible cover up.

    If Cameron wants to cause the Beeb some grief and to tie up elements of the Labour party for quite a while then a proper inquest into Dr Kelly’s death would be the way to go.

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    • NotaSheep says:

      David Cameron should get Norman Baker to organise a full no documents withheld investigation…

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    • hippiepooter says:

      Or maybe just a proper inquest for the sake of having a proper inquest into the death of a great British patriot?

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  22. Martin says:

    Jesus Newsnight have got that mong cnut Prescott on right now. Why isn’t rat face asking him about if he’s still shagging cheap slags on the quiet?

    How can the BBC expect us to take this tub of heart disease ridden blubber seriously?

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  23. David Preiser (USA) says:

    The BBC sinks to a new low with this “From Our Correspondent” piece by Kate Clark.

    The new Taliban targets – women, children and foreigners

    It seems that the BBC correspondent was a long-time friend of one of the aid workers killed recently.  So all of a sudden, the scales have fallen from her eyes regarding the humanity of the Taliban.  What, only now she realizes that they’re brutal barbarians?  Is this some kind of sick joke?  Has she been living in some fantasy land the whole time?

    Note to the BBC:


    Taliban ‘used civilians as human shields’ when British attacked

    Brutal Taliban beheading shocks Poland

    Taliban: Aid worker killed for preaching

    Taliban attack U.S. aid company, five killed

    3 Aid Workers, Drivers Killed in Taliban Attack

    Dancing girl ‘murdered by Taliban after refusing to give up traditional performances despite death threats’

    But no, to the BBC, it’s only real when it affects them personally.  And this is the kind of person the BBC expects you to trust for the news?

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  24. Pounce says:

    I see the bBC has the makings of another abu Gharib in their hands. It seems they will bleed this story of how a former Israeli soldier has posted pictures of herself (a total of 2 pictures) with Arab prisoners behind her dry. According to the bBC this is a blatant human rights crime I quote from their so called news-reporting;  

    Palestinian groups said the images were humiliating and revealed the “mentality of the occupier”.  


    the Palestinian Authority said they did show “the mentality of the occupier to be proud of humiliating Palestinians“.  

    “The occupation is unjust, immoral and, as these pictures show, corrupting,”  

     

    But here’s the catch the IDF has not only complained about it, but is taking action against this young girl.I’d call her misguided but she hasn’t taken part in any suicide attack.  

     

    The thing is while the bBC is more than happy to report this so called human rights abuse. (hurt feelings indeed) they never complained when Islamic terrorists aired videos of people getting their heads cut off, why when Iran paraded British sailors blindfolded and in line (2004) the bBC went out of its way in which to promote the view that it was the Navy that was in the wrong and that the Iranians were right.  

     

    All I see here is yet another blatant anti-semitic article written by plastic Muslims in which to appease their ideological masters. Which has me thinking If i should pop down to the bBC in which to demand they give me time to air my gripe against them. Well I was born into a  Muslim family. More than any wannabe Muslim at the bBC could ever wish for. 

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    • TrueToo says:

      The BBC absolutely loves this kind of story about the Israelis.

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    • hippiepooter says:

      I remember Gilad Shalit  being paraded blindfold and humiliated before a massive cheering rally of Hamas.  I dont recall any disapproval implicit in BBC coverage as there should have been.  The BBC has a duty to impartliality to serve democracy, this gives it a democratic duty of bias against terrorists and tyrants.  This major obscenity demanded a clear overtone of disgust in the BBC’s and any other media outlet’s coverage.  Not a whisper as far as I could see.  As you indicated earlier, it’s not just the bias, they want to have people in place to cover stories and know they can’t if they upset terrorists and tyrants so they hold back.  Any self-respecting leader in these times we are living in would call a meeting with heads of major media outlets to thrash out a code of conduct about this, on the simple premise:  If you cannot report freely in a zone because of fear of reprisals, dont report – reporting to gain approval of our enemies can only aid and abett them, and that is Treason.  Obvious, and is crying out to be done, but we live in ‘The Age of Dumb’.

      Pounce, with your background of army and Muslim lineage, you’d make a great guest to go on Sunday Morning Live.  If this interests you, I’ll get in touch with you via your blog.

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      • hippiepooter says:

        Ooh!  Clumsy last paragraph, clearly I have no influence whatsoever if they’d want you on or not, I can only pass on the info I have to the Asst Producer I was speaking to.  It seems wrong to give out her email so I wont.

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    • NotaSheep says:

      Nowhere do I see on the BBC any coverage of the brainwashing official TV output of Fatah run Palestine that regularly compares Jews to a cancer, portrays Jews as inherently evil, denies Israel’s right to exist and supports the killing of Jews for Allah.

      One ex-Israeli soldier’s pictures on Facebook is described as “shameful” and revealing of the “mentality of the occupier” on the BBC but hour after hour of anti-Semitic television and brainwashing of children by Palestinian media does not warrant even a mention. Double standards from a BBC that is institutionally anti-Israel?

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    • deegee says:

      It’s interesting how the BBC see this as a top news story.

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  25. TrueToo says:

    David Preiser,

    This is one of the most blatant examples I have ever seen of BBC blindness. Generally the BBC is careful about revealing its unwritten policy of minimising Islamic terrorist atrocities. But this idiotic woman genuinely doesn’t seem to realise what she and her colleagues have been doing all these years:

    You did not kill women. You did not kill doctors. And until this last phase of the conflict, you did not kill foreigners, especially those who were here to help, whether aid workers or journalists.

    Incredible. And that last word is the most revealing of all. “Journalists” are there to help? I always thought journalists were meant to ferret out and report the news. And which lucky group is meant to be the recipient of this “help?” The Taliban?

    Oh, I see. The help is like that provided by Mark Byford, who is “proud” of the BBC’s interviews with the Taliban and Lyse Doucet, who tells us of the “humanity” of the Taliban . How ungrateful of the Taliban to stubbornly insist on proving the opposite. 


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  26. Martin says:

    Why does the BBC continue to bang on about speed cameras? They contribute very little to road safety and as has been shown since they’ve been turned off in places thre has been no rise in accidents.

    Could it be that this is yet another failed Liebour policy the beeboids miss?

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Speed cameras are revenue streams and nothing else.  The BBC, of course, loves to see the population’s behavior modified according to Nanny’s best intentions, regardless of the reality of outcome, so will be against removing the cameras.  Plus it takes away revenue from poor local councils whose boodgets have been coot by nasty Tories.

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  27. Grant says:

    R4 “Beyond Westminster” on Saturday had pompous Eleanor Goodman with her “BBC voice” boringly, predictably spending 30 minutes coalition-bashing on the spending cuts.
    But first she points out that Cameron is on holiday and Clegg is holding the reins “or should that be “poisoned chalice ”  ?
    I seem to remember when Blair or Brown went on holiday Prescott “minded the shop”.  No poisoned chalices there !
    Michael Fallon was introduced as a “Thatcherite MP “.  For Beeboids, it is as if it were yesterday.
    There was a discussion with a Labour MP, Trade Union leader Mark someone and a Tory MP someone Liddell-Grainger.  The BBC discovered the latter when he said he would march on Downing St. to oppose school buiding cuts.  Alas he didn’t follow the script. When Mark said there should be widespread cuts, L-G said it would be pointless. Eleanour moved on quickly.
    And there it was, for the BBC  “job done “. 

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  28. Barry says:

    Anyone notice how the BBC has it in for the Barclays Cycle Hire scheme? This morning they led (!) with a minor problem involving a build up of bikes at King’s Cross. A lot of the teething troubles seem to stem from the fact that people are actually using it. Must be a big disappointment.

    Could Livingstone’s residency at the BBC possibly have anything to do with it?

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  29. hippiepooter says:

    Anyone see last night’s Panorama on the Flotilla?  I’ve received a Zionist Federation mailing and they think it was very fair.  I’m at work and for some reason can’t post the youtube links they’ve sent for people living overseas like me, but I’ll do it when I get home.

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    • Biodegradable says:

      Here:

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        It seems that the BBC got more than they bargained for here.  They knew early on that Israel was not killing people in cold blood (even though they let many people – including Diane Abbott – say so on air, without being challenged), and they knew that O’Keefe and his comrades were planning violence from the beginning.  But they kept that view hidden as much as possible, tried to hide or spin information which might make people think that as much as possible.

        There’s clearly far too much reality here so the BBC is forced to report it.  Still, good for them.  As it should be.

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  30. Millie Tant says:

    It was an eye opener to me. It relied heavily on Israeli information and footage as well as that from the ship’s cameras and comments from the head of the Israeli inquiry and a couple of the soldiers. Some of the individual teatimonies were compelling. Small details are striking as when someone says they saw the fear in the soldiers’ eyes. It was clearly a highly dangerous and volatile situation. There were loads of knives, guns, saws, and all manner of manufactured weapons made from metal and wooden parts of the ship. 

    The head of the Turkish “charity” – and leader of the militant gang that seemed to have taken over the ship – was one scary individual. In contrast, seeing and hearing another member of the charity, who tried to save two of the Israeli soldiers who had been taken to the lower deck and were being attacked, it was only too easy to see the stark difference between a bona fide well-meaning humanitarian and a fanatic bent on trouble, to say the very least. There were well meaning people on board but others were using the language cynically, speaking of “resistance” to justify and cover their own violent disposition and intent.  Oh and they had an American ex-Marine called O’Keefe who seemed rather excitable and adopted the lingo “a brother” to refer to a fellow voyager. He said, among other things, that he took an Israeli soldier’s pistol and emptied it of bullets to prevent violence. What put the tin lid on it for me was when they said he was living in London. Of course, he would be, wouldn’t he? America, can you please take him back? We have more than enough excitable people and “brothers” here already. I didn’t come away with a good impression of the Turkish government and that “charity” either, from what the programme showed. They seemed to be in bed with each other and Hamas. Please, no Turkey in the EU, thanks.

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    • John Anderson says:

      Good review.  I had said yesterday that I thought Jane Corbin was probably going to be fair – is not on Bowen’s team.

      It sounds as though Bowen will be spitting blood over the programme.  How dare the BBC put anything out on Israel that is not utterly biased towards terrorism ?

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    • Martin says:

      The original Israeli comments about the incident seem to hold up very well, but the lies peddled by the Muslims were blown away, even beeboid Corbin couldn’t really spin it for the Muzzie’s.

      The IDF did use paintball guns not real guns and the Muzzies did tool up with knives and iron bars.

      Am I right in thinking the picture of the Israeli soldier who was stabbed and with the Muzzie holding the knife was the one the BBC used where the knife had been airbrushed out of the picture?

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Yes, that was the one.

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      • hippiepooter says:

        Martin, have you stopped to consider that Jane Corbin reported the way she did because she’s a BBC reporter with a track record for integrity?  JA wasn’t the only one who anticipated she would produce an objective report, I did too, and that’s what we got.  In the Zionist Federation mailing I’ve received they’ve requested that its supporters write to Panorama thanking them for their fair coverage.  Having just watched the report, I’m more than happy to do it.  The address they’ve given is:-

        [email protected]

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Here’s some background on Chuckles O’Keefe, the painted sad clown.

      He was a BBC darling for a minute back when this all went down.

      http://biasedbbc.org/2010/06/hardto-take.html

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  31. John Anderson says:

    Double-clicking on Bio’s links brings the picture to fuller screen

    Here are direct links to the Panorama prog in 2 parts on YouTube :

    Well worth watching.

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  32. George R says:

    If you’re wondering why Beeboids aren’t putting up as much ‘news’ on its website as formerly, they have other priorities: pensions, pensions, pensions, paid for by…

    “Read the BBC’s pensions email”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/17/bbc-pensions-email

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  33. George R says:

    For Islam Not BBC (INBBC), and its propaganda against the West on Pakistan floods:

    Generous donations stream from wealthy Islamic nations to their desperate brethren in Pakistan — no, wait…

    [Extract]:

    “The question for the Muslim governments of the petrodollar-glutted Gulf: Are you racists, regarding the needs of your non-Arab brethren as less important, or would you just rather be waging jihad? “

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Like I said before:  where are the Muslim charities leading the way?  Why hasn’t the BBC been showing us how generous they are?

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  34. Deborah says:

    Yes I was doing other things whilst Jeremy Vine show was on this lunch time.  Jane Hill sitting in – Is George Osborne cutting too soon was the question.  Why wasn’t I surprised that every call was against the cuts – do I really believe that the entire world except for George and I believe the money has all gone?

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  35. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Good grief.  Mark Mardell is trying to scare everyone and discredit the Tea Party movement.

    Should God be invited to the Tea Party?

    Since the President’s ratings are in the toilet, and the Democrats are in danger of losing control of the Congress, it’s time to start discrediting the Tea Partiers.  Mardell is up for the challenge.  First, of course, he has to act like he really understands us.

    Anyone who has ever been to a Tea Party rally or meeting will know that one of the fascinating things about the movement is the rich mixture of conservatives who attend, from Libertarians to Goldwater Republicans.

    “fascinating”…”rich mixture”…”Goldwater Republicans”

    He sounds like David Attenborough here.  He’s also clearly telling you that the people he’s observing are “the other”, i.e. not like you and him.  First, the set-up:

    Groups in Washington like FreedomWorks  which seek to herd these natural-born mavericks are insistent that they can all unite around a single principle, fiscal conservatism. They say Tea Partiers are united by their desire to keep the deficit down, government small and taxes low. Whatever individual members think about guns or gays, they say, stays outside the Tea Party.

    This is true.  The Tea Party movement is not about this stuff, was not founded with any of this in mind, and has nothing to do with the agenda.  No Tea Party groups have gone to city council meetings or “town halls” with Representatives or any election campaigns with the express purpose of pursuing an anti-abortion agenda, anti-homosexual agenda, or any other kind of Christianist ideology.  It simply isn’t the point.  But that’s not what Mardell is really here to talk about today, are you, Mark?  Time to stir the sh!te:

    Some think that is wrong, and should change. I’ve bumped into Greg Fettig a couple of times at rallies in Washington. He’s a founder of the Hoosier Patriots and is deeply involved in the Tea Party movement. He’s written to me to tell me about his movement, America Refocused. One of its founding principles is to connect what it calls the “grassroots’ patriot movement” with the Church and it says “God’s warriors” should aim at “promoting moral awareness – prayer, humility, worship and seeking God’s direction”.

    Greg Fettig says the Church has been infiltrated by progressives who promote homosexuality, abortion, open borders “and other beliefs contrary to biblical teachings”.

    He is not a lone voice. I’ve just read a small book, entitled The Tea Party Manifesto, by Joseph Farah, who, according to the blurb on the back, “was a Tea Partier before there even was a Tea Party movement”. He argues that the Tea Party is made up of “prayerful people” and that it is a mistake to divide economics from social and moral issues.

    Ooh, scary!  Plenty to scream about, kids!

    This is, of course, total BS.  Mardell has simply found the outlier which fits his agenda, and is going to play it up far beyond its value.  I can tell you all for a fact that at the Tea Party events I’ve attended, the only two people (out of may speakers and hosts) who tried to talk about abortion or God were either booed or had their time quickly ended by organizers.  That’s not what the movment is about, not the agenda, has nothing to do with the point of the whole endeavor.  Sure, even the majority of those who self-identify as being part of the Tea Party movement may be believers of some kind.  But that’s not what’s going on here.

    Mardell wants to scare you.  He wants to raise suspicions and reinforce long-held prejudices about non-Leftoids in the US, and anyone who might dare to oppose his beloved Obamessiah.  You’re going to see more of this from now until the mid-term elections in November.

    Don’t trust Mark Mardell on this, and don’t trust the BBC on US issues.

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    • Martin says:

      Mardell really is a knob, I thought it couldn’t get worse with Frei and Webb, but Mardell is having a good go.

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    • Craig says:

      Yes, he’s proving quite the propagandist.

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    • hippiepooter says:

      Please be fair DP, when the Iraq war was on, the BBC never stopped telling us about the Trotskyite and terrorist links of those behind the ‘Stop the War Coalition’.

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    • Millie Tant says:

      Why is it supposed to be fascinating that a broad range of conservatives want small taxes and small government? Don’t see it myself, Marky matey. It might be more comment-worthy if they didn’t.

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Mardell finds them fascinating in the same way that a primatologist finds orangutans fascinating.  Except the zoologist will ascribe more humanity to his subjects.

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  36. Martin says:

    I see the BBC have been in full support mode for the legalising of drugs today. Radio 5 were really up for it (who can blame them a good line of Charlie isn’t cheap these days).

    The beeboids all seemed to support the idea that drugs should be available over the counter, but am I missing something? Where do they get the money to buy their fix? Benefits? Most of these arseholes don’t have jobs, oh hang on they want it for FREE.

    So I like a few beers can I also get them free over the counter paid for by the tax payer?

    Perhaps we should make kiddie porn also available over the counter? Then the Government can tax it as well? Why not go further and make free DVD players and cars available over the counter as well, that we we stop burglars?

    As usual the unwashed scum want their nasty little habit paid for by someone else (sounds familiar, just like the TV tax)

    I also love the way they use alcohol as a comparison, well we might have drink problem in the UK, but the Europeans for the most part find it a very sociable activity, perhaps it’s not the booze that’s the problem but the mindless scum who do the vomiting?

    Here’s a thought, how about beheading drug dealers in the street on a Saturday morning? and stick druggies in stocks so we can all laugh at them and throw dog shit at them? That might make them give up.

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  37. John Anderson says:

    Some of the biggest airlines in the world are owned by states in the Middle East – Emirates, Qatar Air.

    I somehow seem to be missing all the BBC footage of them flying in aid to Pakistan.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Good point. Surely that giant, double-decker Airbus the Emirates bought can carry loads of food and medicine.

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      • John Anderson says:

        And Malaysia Air plus Air Asia could have bought out every bit of camping equipment and emergency clothing in KL (there are planeloads in Chinatown) and flown it all across.

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  38. Martin says:

    Saudi Arabia is hardly breaking the bank to help is it?

    State media in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday said the country had raised $20.5 million in aid on the first day of a national campaign for the Pakistani floods.

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2010/2010/08/2010817125256991248.html

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  39. David Preiser (USA) says:

    BBC slamming Osborne on boodget coots again.  It’s his own stupid fault for using Labour’s neo-Marxist terms like “fair” and “progressive”.  It’s a fool’s path, really, and the Beeboids are using his own language against him with relish.  “How can it be fair if…(insert favorite public service here)…is cut.  It will hurt the poorest most.”

    Hey, BBC:  Have you noticed which economies are in the sh!t and which are not?  Have you noticed which countries had fiscally conservative policies and which are throwing even more cash down the toilet?  Is there anyone in the entire corporation besides Andrew Neil who is willing to say that Labour’s “scorched Treasury” policy deliberately forced this situation on you all, knowing they were leaving the next Government with a looming disaster?

    Nope, every cut is bad, everything hurts only the poorest, Labour never did anything wrong.  The Obamessiah inherited a bad economy, but the Tories somehow didn’t.  Nice double standard there, BBC.

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    • Martin says:

      The BBC have banged on about ‘cuts’ on Every Newsnight since the election, yet rat face and hag bag Maitlis forget to tell us just WHO got us into this mess in the first place.

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  40. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Hey, the BBC News Channel was just reporting about shots fired at the Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv.  Huw Welshman in the studio actually mentioned that it was a Palestinian, who had been denied asylum by the UK embassy four years ago. 
     
    I call that a result.  A significant step forward for BBC accuracy and honesty, considering the recent “Israeli citizen” killer fiasco.  Top marks for the Beeboids today for this one.  It’s about time.  Let’s hope it’s not “one step forward, two steps back” now

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  41. Pounce says:

    Ref that incident at the Turkish embassy here is what the bBC is’t telling you.

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  42. Martin says:

    Beeboid twat brought up the poxy flotilla in which “9 Turks were killed”, if they got slotted they probably deserved it. That is a result beeboid twats.

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  43. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Why the hell is the Turkish government’s willingness to offer medical assistance to the lunatic Palestinian who has barricaded himself inside their embassy a sign of how tense relations are between Israel and Turkey since those people died on the Flotilla?  What is this BBC idiot talking about?  
     
    The BBC will seize any opportunity to remind people of it, and paint Israel in the worst light possible.  
     
    Perhaps the BBC should be asking why the Turkish security guards shot at the guy?  Not very friendly or sympathetic to the plight of the oppressed who was peacefully asking for asylum to escape nasty old Israel.  Why did he take hostages, exactly?  Asylum paperwork not filled out fast enough?  Didn’t like the coffee in the reception area?  Stupid BBC priorities.

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    • Martin says:

      Exactly, the beeboid twat on the 6PM couldn’t wait to bring up the subject.

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      • Craig says:

        The BBC’s website article says:

        Israel’s Channel 2 television also played a recording of a man it claimed was the attacker, who threatened to burn down the embassy if he was not allowed to leave the country.
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11005283

        The Daily Telegraph (following the lead of Pounce some hours ago!) reports, however, that there was more that the poor, deranged man said:

        In a call to Channel 2 TV, a man the station identified as the attacker said: “If they don’t let me leave this country now I will burn down the whole building. I will burn everything.” He said he was demanding asylum in Turkey and protection from “these murderers the Zionists, the murdering Jews”. At the same time, he said that Palestinian leaders, including Mahmoud Abbas, “should die.”
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7950759/Palestinian-threatens-to-kill-Jews-as-he-takes-hostages-at-Turkish-embassy.html

        As Pounce might say, ‘The BBC and half the story’.

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Look at this BBC news brief about the incident:


        Hostage drama at Turkey’s embassy in Israel

        Same stuff we’ve already heard, no need to look at the video if you haven’t already seen it on the news, the one Martin and I were talking about.

        The text summary ends with this:

        Correspondents say Tuesday’s incident appears to be unrelated to a recent diplomatic dispute between Israel and Turkey.

        Ties deteriorated after nine Turks were killed in late May in an Israeli commando raid on a flotilla of aid ships bound for the Gaza Strip.

        Of course it has something to do with it.  The Palestinian obviously thinks Turkey is sympathetic to his cause because the government of Turkey was behind the now infamous flotilla.  But the BBC never got around to telling you that, did they?  So of course they’re not going to see the connection – or just don’t want you to.

        And naturally there’s a key bit of the man’s claims that the BBC censored (but is included in the Telegraph article Craig mentions):


        Mr Injaz is currently in Israel without a visa and he has said he fears for his life if he is deported to the West Bank by Israel.

        So he’s not exactly being persecuted by the Joooos, is he?

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  44. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Here’s more on the citizens of Bell, CA, who have been protesting against their corrupt local politicians who have been taxing them to death (above and beyond what the law allows, as it turns out), while paying themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars in salaries and perks.

    The BBC has censored this news from their US coverage because it does not fit their Narrative about people who are protesting against crushing taxation.  These people are Hispanic and are not associated with the Tea Party.  Their goals are exactly the same, so they are in fact kindred spirits, a Tea Party group in all but name.

    This is what it’s about, not the crap the BBC feeds you. So they won’t tell you about it.

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  45. David Preiser (USA) says:

    What is this crap the BBC is peddling about how awful it is that private property owners want to enforce parking rules on their own land?  They’ve been ramping this story up all day, bringing in different people to complain how clamping is horrible and unfair and whatnot.

    And how predictable that the BBC is talking to businessmen who run the clamping companies – evil parasites who are only looking to squeeze money out of people, nobody will miss them, right? – as the opposing view, and NOT the damn private property owners who are being abused by slobs.

    Private property is the foundation of modern law and government – most especially in Britain! – so no wonder the BBC gets it wrong.

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  46. George R says:

    “Whoops! BBC weatherman causes a storm after making rude gesture live on air”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303843/BBC-weatherman-Tomasz-Schafernaker-makes-rude-gesture-live-air.html#ixzz0wtn3rjls

    His job secure; he’s gay apparently.

    But BBC sacks a mother for this:

    “BBC Radio host sacked after call to taxi firm requesting ‘non-Asian’ driver”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084702/BBC-Radio-host-sacked-taxi-firm-requesting-non-Asian-driver.html#ixzz0wto2AptD

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    • Martin says:

      He’s the same camp twat that got a strop on when he got called ‘petal’ on News 24.

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      • Millie Tant says:

        Yes, that’s the one. He is an arrogant, swaggering, ill-behaved brat and totally unsuited to a public service broadcasting role. Several times now he has made a show of himself and his employer. Why does the BBC let him get away with it? They sack other people for far less. Just say an unapproved word or be the wrong age and they get the boot.

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        • Millie Tant says:

          Just read the article linked above about the presenter sacked after a telephone call to a taxi firm. Here is what the BBC is quoted as saying:
           
          A BBC spokesman said: ‘Although Sam Mason’s remarks were not made on-air, her comments were completely unacceptable and, for that reason, she has been informed that she will no longer be working for the BBC with immediate effect.’

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084702/BBC-Radio-host-sacked-taxi-firm-requesting-non-Asian-driver.html#ixzz0wuKGN56K

          So, BBC, what about your weather forecaster’s behaviour of obscene gesture and other on-air incidents? Is that not totally unacceptable? If not, why not?

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          • Millie Tant says:

            I’ve just seen this on another forum. It’s another of his on-air “performances”. Starts off with a slip of the tongue, fair enough, but then he carries on showing his juvenile inability to present himself professionally while on air: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8119664.stm

            That was last year. He is so ridiculously indulged by the BBC that  a year or so later, here he is, still behaving like an ill-mannered child while on air.

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            • David Preiser (USA) says:

              I remember the ‘petal’ incident.  I think I agree with George R that his job is secure because he’s a homosexual.  But I wonder if it’s more because he can make a claim for anti-homosexual discrimination if he’s fired, simply because that ‘petal’ remark can be held up as evidence of a hostile work environment or something.  I don’t think the odds of successfully defending against charges of this kind of discrimination are very high these days.

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              • Millie Tant says:

                Yes, good point.
                However, giving the finger on air is something else.  I would expect the generality of employers in a public-facing role to view that as serious misconduct and not just a harmless mistake.

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        • Martin says:

          He’s gay so untouchable, thank god he’s not a Muzzie.

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  47. George R says:

    Islam Not BBC (INBBC) offers excuses for this violent Islamic action:

    Tel Aviv: Misunderstander of Islam takes hostages at Turkish embassy, threatens to burn down building, kill Jews

    INBBC’s political angle:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11005283

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  48. Philip says:

    Romancing the Jihad again this morning, as ‘young men’ fight for freedom against oppressive India. Well, according to ‘many analysts’, anyway. 

    What utter crap.

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  49. George R says:

    Koran, Koran, Koran.

    Islam Not BBC (INBBC) provides a full page of Islamic propaganda on the Koran by its Razia Iqbal – for no reason whatsoever! -Except  maybe that she is listed by ‘The Times’ as one of the 13 most powerful Muslim women in Britain, and another uncrftical INBBC webpage on the Koran, written by a Muslim, fits with INBBC’s role as propagandist for Islam:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10957293

    Muslim Iqbal’s ranking in ‘Times’ 13 most powerful Muslim women in Britain, as lauded by one Mr. T.Phillips:

    “Meet the 13 most powerful Muslim women in Britain”

    http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/article5918094.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1

    Of course, INBBC prohibits any contrary view on the Koran. An apostate scholar like IBN WARRAQ is censored out of existence by the INBBC. Here’s a sample of his questioning analysis which someone like INBBC’s Muslim Ms. Iqbal is oblivious to:

    “NER Interview with Ibn Warraq – 72 Raisins, 1 Cold War, and 0 Virgins”

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/28494

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  50. deegee says:

    Lebanon grants Palestinian refugees right to work

    More accurately Lebanon grants Palestinians some rights but refuses others. This is as is BBC practise mentioned further down.

    But the advances remain well short of the rights enjoyed by Palestinian refugees in Syria, Jordan and elsewhere in the region and nowhere near the rights enjoyed by Israel’s Arab citizens.

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    • Grant says:

      I am amazed they mentioned that at all !

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      “After a long delay”.  Yes, only 60 years or so.  I wonder why we’ve never heard any noise from the BBC before about the fact that the Palestinians have been banned from holding most jobs in Lebanon during all that time?  All I ever seem to hear is about how Israel is at war with the country and Hezbollah is a legitimate defense force.

      Forgive me for being cynical, but while I was reading about how the Palestinian’s “true ambition and demand is to retun to their homeland”, I wondered what’s keeping them in these camps for generations?  Is there some legal obstacle to a citizen of Lebanon emigrating to Israel?  If so, why hasn’t the BBC done an exposé by now?  What’s going on here?

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