BBC insights on Islam…
‘Myself and everyone involved in the making of theseshows have nothing but respect for Islam. It is a beautiful religion (that Iindeed studied at University) and one that we’re fully aware of is based firmlyin love and peace.’ Colin Edwards BBCproducer
‘Islam is a vision of umma, of human community to whichis entrusted the trusteeship or stewardship of the planet. What an ideology for the good of us all if itwere put into living and practical effect!’ John Bowker, broadcast on BBCworld service.
Just two ordinary guys with their own set of values, right?
we’re fully aware of is based firmly in love and peace.’
It’s based on SUBMISSION. That’s what the word ISLAM means, for God’s sake. SUBMISSION.
Since when is SUBMISSION based on “peace.”
These people are DHIMMI thickos.
so much for BBC neutrality
i boil with anger inside when i read thses kind of statements
who the hell do these BBC people think they are that we the tax payers should fund their attempts at crude pro islam propagander
Newsnight, evening of Wednesday 16-Jun-2010
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The main news topic on normal news channels that evening was how President Obama had had a face-to-face meeting with the BP executives over the oil spill and coerced BP to:
– Stop dividend payments for a year (the first time this has happened since the second world war)
– Put aside a £20 billion compensation fund
– To declare no upper limit on future payouts to this fund
This story is astonishing and newsworthy on many fronts:
– national leader imposing his will on the legal and corporate governance of a huge non-US company.
– Many would say that this was solely to save Obama’s face and also to strengthen his severe anti fossil fuels bill going through the legislature which will apply huge taxes to all energy users.
– The perverse justice of the US in imposing these restrictions on BP and yet allowing Union Carbide to escape paying anything for the Bhopal disaster.
– These actions will have a very bad effect on UK finances and pensions.
– Yet another sign of Obam’s anti-European attitude
So with a huge story like this, what do Newsnight spend practically ALL of the first 25 minutes of their programme reporting on:
… wait for it, it’s a HUGE story …
… No, really! This is a big scoop …
The newsnight main story of that night was:
Some Jordanian muslim who is under house arrest in Britain on terror charges and is whinging about it.
Yep. Really on the ball aren’t they?
To rub salt into the wound, who did they have as one of the main studio guests on this topical news item about a whinging terrorist? It was none other than that disgraced MP, Tony McNulty, who stole thousands from the taxpayers by lying about his parents’ home on his expenses.
They did eventually report on the BP-Obama story, but only 38 minutes into the programme.
Quality. Worth every penny of my TV licence!!!
Regards,
A very flustered and frustrated Daedalus Parrot.
Did you like the part where they used cheesy, Terry Gilliam-like animation to show Mervyn King gobbling up sections of the FSA? Television made by and for children.
And not one spineless British politician sticking up for BP for fear of offending that scumbag Obama.
I wonder if it’s more that the spineless politicians are afraid to appear supportive of a nasty, environment-destroying oil company? Can’t be seen doing that, as it would harm one’s green cred, especially on the BBC.
The liberal mindset even with years of evidence simply cannot accept that Islam is anything but a religion of peace.
Here is a classic bBC article about how an Islamic terrorist cannot be deemed a threat and thus instead of deporting him back to his home country he should be allowed to live here on benefits.
Terror suspect speaks about life under ‘house arrest’
A man judged to be a threat to national security has decided to break his strict bail conditions so he can speak out about the difficulty of his life under virtual house arrest…..The government says Mr Alsamamara is a committed Islamist extremist and a danger to Britain.
Mr Alsamamara arrived in Britain in 2001 and claimed asylum. That claim was rejected and in 2004 he was arrested by police and imprisoned, pending deportation to Jordan.
The Jordanian intelligence department has told the British government it wants to question him in relation to alleged contact with the former leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, and over claims that he underwent paramilitary training in Afghanistan.
Mr Alsamamara denies any links with terrorism and says he faces torture if he is returned….
Police also found a will in an envelope on a notice-board. SIAC said it was written in “lurid terms”. It includes references to “jihad” and records his wish “to slaughter” members of the Jordanian government and the police.
What is known about the evidence against Alsamamara
Isn’t it nice how the bBC has no problem defending terrorists openly.
Mr Alsamamara does not deny writing this will but argues it simply quotes from the Qur’an and the hadiths,
These BBC atheists wouldn’t be grovelling to Islam if they didn’t fear its violence.
These people are thickos. They have no idea what Islam is, and has been since its inception.
It is truly remarkable that people of such ignorance actually exist. Worse we actually pay these people good salaries.
DP111,
I suspect these morons are aware of the real nature of Islam, but choose to ignore it. If they think it is so wonderful, why don’t they convert. Lying, hypocrites.
Better still, why dint they move to an Islamic country and still retain ‘their for name only’ Christian faith.
But in reality, these BBCoids are Leftists, and nothing would entice them to live in a Marxist socialist Utopia. Like all the socialists, doctrinaire or otherwise, they wear their socialism as a fashion statement, but prefer to live as parasites on the capitalist economy.
DP111,
Spot on ! The hypocrisy, stinks to high heaven. Better still if they all go and live in N. Korea !
You really think these people’s comments can be taken on face value? Not just people who believe in the inevitable triumph of evil and want to be on the ‘right’ side when it happens?
On a radio programme (possibly “Start the Week”) Rageh Omaar said that he thought the doctrine of Jihad had been formed as a result of Muslim’s experience with the Crusades. Omaar was the BBC’s correspondent in Baghdad during the Iraq War and has since fronted documentaries on Islam.
In his remarks on Jihad he is wrong – Jihad had been running for 450 years by the time of the Crusades, which were a reaction to attacks on Christian pilgrims in the Levant. Omaar could not possibly have been ignorant of this history, so that makes him not mistaken, but a liar. But no one challenges Muslims about Islamic doctrine on BBC programs.
We are in the Third Jihad. But for their military impotence, this would have been a full blooded war by now. Occasionally, the violence breaks through the carefully constructed smokescreen, such as 9-11, 7-7, Beslan, and the Hezbollah war.
But as <a href=”Maher: Media ‘Way Too Stupid’ to Understand Israel/Palestine Conflict, So They Side with the Palestinians | NewsBusters.org “>Bill Maher</a> has said, the media are just plain too stupid, and too left-wing to get what Islam is about.
Crusades-Encyclopedia
Crusades Propaganda: The Abuse of Christianity’s Holy Wars
Dr. Thomas Madden, November 2, 2001
Link to Original Article at National Review Online
Crusade Propaganda
The abuse of Christianity’s holy wars.
http://www.crusades-encyclopedia.com/maddencrusadespropaganda.html
Its amazing that early Christians, Zoroastrians and Hindus knew of the sheer evil of Islam, and here we are, with all our communications and information technology, and it has been used to HIDE the truth about Islam.
It would be a god idea to keep Thomas Madden’s name in mind for whenever the topic of the Crusades comes up. A little Google, and you will have a wealth of information to torpedo the Taqqiya BS
DP111,
Great posts !
Grant
Thank you.
I read Thomas Madden’s papers on the Crusades a few years back – actually just after 9/11. They were an eye opener. Till then I had swallowed the BS put out by our own and Muslims, but had an uncomfortable feeling about it.
More
The Real History of the Crusades
THOMAS F. MADDEN
The crusades are quite possibly the most misunderstood event in European history. Most of what passes for public knowledge about it is either misleading or just plain wrong
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0055.html
A more honest account of the religion of peace comes from Rory Bremner:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7828813/Rory-Bremner-afraid-to-joke-about-Islam.html
Needless to say beeboid David Frost is “surprised” by this despise all the evidence of the last few years. He’s come a long way (downhill) since TW3.
I suspect a lot of the soft liberal support for Islam is an attempt to rationalise their own cowardice.
Perfect post!
Of course, the ex-BBC Frost has now moved seemlessly to the Islamic TV station Al Jazeera (where Rageh Omaar now resides).
Daniel, you are right. It is cowardice.
‘Needless to say beeboid David Frost is “surprised” by this ‘
One wonders if the redoubtable Mr. Frost summoned all his BBC journalistic heft and offered any factual substantiation for this opinionated ‘surprise’.
Or was his subject just ‘not on narrative’ and needed a quick dismissal?
A certain consistency from groups and individuals who think that others should only think their way… or, in many cases, else.
Unique.
Guest who wrote: I suspect a lot of the soft liberal support for Islam is an attempt to rationalise their own cowardice.
That is a very telling and perceptive statement. Basically Libs and soft Lefties, the BBC and their fellow travellers, are afraid. They hope that someone else will fight their battle and get rid if the threat to them, in a manner that does not require them to sacrifice their Liberal principles or compromise their conscience.
The most dangerous enemy of western civilisation and values is not the host of jihadi rage mobs/islamofascisti/fire breathing clerics/terrorists.
On there own they can be isolated and destroyed with relative ease, no folks the most dangerous enemy is within, its people like those two useful idiots and their rose tinted spectacles fitted with blinkers and a hatred of their own society.
Colin Edwards and John Bowker can do more damage than any suicide bomber, they eat away like a cancer at our society, a society they despise yet take so much from.
They must see the danger, they must see the reality of islam and its cruel fascist and racist bigotry, the mysoginist values of stamping on the weak without mercy, mercy and forgiveness are alien to islam as are tollerence and acceptance.
They see beauty in uglyness and love in cruelty and tollerence in supremacist bigotry. I am not a religious person but even I fully realise what the bible meant when it spoke of the adulation of satan.
Well said, Cassie !
Well said Cassandra.
I know many people, who were never Christians in the strictest sense, are now beginning to realise that Western civilisation would not exist were it not for Christianity. They are becoming supportive of Christianity.
Muslims are waging war on us on the religious front. Just like antibiotics are of no use a against a virus, and only an immune response will do, so it is now. This means that it is a fight to death. So far our Christian leaders are engaged in multi-faith debates, knowing not that it is part of Taqqiya. But sooner or later, they will have to admit that the early Christians were right. There can be no Toletance of the doctrinally Intolerant. There can be no Tolerance of those who believe that the sword is the way to spread Islam.
Even the late Orriana Fallachi, a committed Athiest, saw that in the end, when the chips are down, we will have to choose sides. She chose rightly.
DP111,
As a devout atheist myself, I totally agree.
If we have to have religion, my choice would be anything but Islam and I have direct experience. However, I know many muslims hate what is happening. But, they live in fear of the extremists too. Maybe not an opinion acceptable to some posters here. But, in reality Islam is fragmented. What about the Alevis, what about the Sufis ? They are persecuted by “brother” muslims, but not non-muslims.
Oh, it is all so compliicated, I despair.
Thanks for the kind words DP.
You are right of course, I have not followed my religion but I am what you could call a Judeo Christian, Jews and Christians are my kinsmen and though I do not observe the rituals I stand by those who do.
though I do not observe the rituals I stand by those who do
Well said, Cassandra.
Thanks David, coming from you that means a lot.
CK
Thanks Mr G 🙂
The media and those that choose to work in it have never been closely examined for any prejudices and entrenched beliefs that may affect how the news events of the time are reported.
I have never seen an in depth analysis examining the motivations of those who control much of what we see and hear and this has been the case since at least the 60s when the new generation of university graduates emerged heads filled with Marxist revolutionary fervour and idealism.
The USSR at the time expended great resources to agitate and cause as much trouble and social strife as possible and universities were prime hunting grounds, the anti colonial and anti establichement movements were causing massive damage to the west. The plan was to foment a civil collapse where the USSR could pick up the pieces, they traded in jelousy and hatreds and explored every avenue to exploit this.
Many in the media were at least sympathetic to any ‘freedom’ cause and movement as it coincided with their own beliefs, many so called strggles were assisted by a complicit media that used its position to undermine authority and support insurrection and unrest.
You see we see only what those with the power wish us to see, the floors of the editing suites could tell a story, we have allowed the media to spin us a version of events which in many cases was totally at odds with actual reality and bore more resemblance to the authors political prejudice than reality.
The tragedies of the past like the African post colonial cesspit of violence was in large part triggered by and perpetrated by a minority in control of the media lens and those who used that lens for their own political struggle.
The USSR and its subsidiary international socialism has been dead for decades now but its poisonous and vile legacy of the exploitation of hatreds and prejudice still lingers to this day and its effects still touches us to this day and will for many years to come.
Here’s an object lesson in how al-Beeb facilitates the anti Israel message in Britain:
Jeremy ‘al’ Bowen interviews Bashar al-Assad, President of Syria, Hizballah’s weapons logistics provider, political assasination facilitator to Lebanon and Opthalmologist; as he gets his war-mongering freak on with those evil Joooz.
The usual BBC rules regarding Middle East despot interviews apply: loaded, leading questions, not a single challenge (apparently the Turks did nothing to provoke this ‘raid’, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary that has surfaced since); stateroom setting, hushed reverence.
Notice too, how the legitimate boarding of a vessel about to breach Israel’s borders is termed a ‘raid’ by al-Bowen – a lead which Bashar willingly takes.
It was… ‘interesting’.
But as the fragrant teleprompter reader Sian intoned on Breakfast this morning, Mr. Bowen is ‘Middle East Editor’, and hence a highly experienced, professional and objective person to handle such a sensitive issue using the UK’s national broadcaster.
The Trust wouldn’t allow some totally compromised chump, that even they themselves have had to censure for ‘preferences’ in this fraught region, to be in the driving seat of such a key interview, surely?
Did Bowen question him about torture, rape and murder in Syrian prisons, state killings, people disappearing etc…… ?
Yes that item on Today before 7 am came across as completely sympathetic to creepy soft-spoken Assad. The bit at the end where Bowen said, almost as an afterthought, that Assad denies Syria is arming Hizballah, but the US and the UK are determined that it is. It sounded as though Bowen was suggesting that it was Assad’s denial that had the most credibility.
Bowen might have said ‘raid,’ but during that report someone called the flotilla incident “Israel’s attack.” Whatever evidence comes to light, if it favours Israel it’s regarded by the BBC as a lie, doctored, or ignored altogether.
BBC TV news at 1 today. Israel’s action was a “raid ” !
I don’t object to calling it a “raid”. After all, law enforcement does raids on criminals all the time. Yes, I realize the BBC doesn’t mean it like that.
But it wasn’t a raid. A raid (to my mind at any rate), would normally imply a manouevre or operation with the element of surprise with the initiating party.
The action against the Mavi Marmara was the legitimate boarding of a vessel threatening Israel’s borders, with plenty of pre-warning – and, as can be seen by the, er, welcoming party preparations, the other party knew exactly what was coming.
Don’t let them get away with it. We need to be pedantic and pick them up on everything.
Fair point about a “raid”, Philip.
It sickened me listening to Al-Bo’wen kissing that tyrant’s feet, then saying to him ‘tell them, mighty President, what you told me in answer to the Great Satan’s allegation that you are supplying arms to Hezbollah’
Assad denied nothing, but just got angry (an unusual occurrence I’m sure) and demanded that Al-Bo’wen show him the evidence. Which our honorary Palestinian didn’t seem to desperate to do for some reason.
But, Assad is civilised, Western educated and his father was the model of virtue !
Hitler would have loved this guy.
Abu Al Bowen is worth one hundred suicide bombers to islamofascism, he presents and injects doubts where no doubt should exist, he portrays a side to the islamofascism that does not exist.
Abu Al Bowen soothes away worries about the hostile colonisation of the UK with lashings of moral equivolence and outright lies, the islamists become the militant who then morphs into a peace activist who then somehow becomes a community activist and elder who wishes for peace.
The rage filled racist hostile colonist who arrives by engaging in the slave trade/passport scam becomes equal at least to native people, his criminality is excused,his racism and bigotry is accepted as cultural and his religion is praised.
“How Taqiyya alters Islam’s rules of war; defeating Jihadist terrorism”
(by Raymond Ibrahim)
[Opening extract]:
“Islam must seem a paradoxical religion to non-Muslims. On the one hand, it is constantly being portrayed as the religion of peace; on the other, its adherents are responsible for the majority of terror attacks around the world. ”
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war
Two interesting ‘views’, to be sure.
Possible response from a(n ex-?) BBC employee?:
http://videos.sapo.pt/dfZntwkZAk3EQVqzEurv
In the 1930s the British Right turned a blind eye to Nazism with its anti-Semitism, Might is Right, Volk and Lebensraum concepts, partly because they hated Communism
In the 2000s and 2010s the British Left turns a blind eye to Islam with its anti-Semitism, Might is Right, Ummah and Jihad concepts, partly because they hate Capitalism
I wonder if either of them have watched this HardTalk episode with Ayaan Hirsi Ali? She deals with all these issues superbly.
OT Chaps, but you might like to form an orderly queue over at Conservative Home, where Councilor Harry Phipps has just encountered a particularly blatant spot of beeboid bias and is asking what should be done about them ! ( About bleedin’ time , I hear you all cry!)
The link is… http://conservativehome.blogs.com/localgovernment/2010/06/is-the-bbc-more-biased-than-the-guardian.html
This is the special preferential treatment for Muslims and Islam which BBC, MSM, and main UK political parties promote:
UK: Plastic bags to be put over “terror cameras” to avoid offending Muslims
I am a great fan of Pat Condell, but don’t expect to see him on the BBC !
David Preiser, if you haven’t watched this clip, please do, as it is about the proposed mosque in New York.
I hadn’t seen this, so thanks for the link. It is disgusting, and the outcry over here has been kept to a minimum. I have no problem with a mosque being built in the neighborhood (it’s not on Ground Zero itself, but a couple blocks away), as religious freedom is vitally important to the US. However, as Condell points out, and most reports have censored, it’s going to be much more than a mosque.
Having a whole “Islamic center”, especially one named after Corodoba, is a moral outrage, and is extremely insensitive to the families of victims. It’s infinitely more insensitive than the French having a bacon fry-up in the banlieu.
As I’ve said before, 30 people from my street were murdered by Islamo-nutters on 9/11. The street sign on the corner, like many others in the neighborhood, bears the name of a fallen fireman as well as the regular street name. However, the Muslims around here (like the ones who run the corner bodega and sell me beer) were just as saddened as the rest of us, flew the flag in their windows, and do not support mass murder in the name of their religion. I would also point out that a few innocent Muslim workers also died in the towers on that day. So I have no problem with a mosque being built down there. However, it’s no place for the glorification of any religion, especially directly responsible for such an atrocity.
A mosque is one thing – a celebratory display is quite another. I fear that’s what this is going to be. You can bet there would be an even bigger outcry, and loads of sneering from the BBC, if a Christian group wanted to build some big evangelical center there.
I may be inspired to do a little activism myself in the neighborhood about this.
David,
Yes I quite agree. It would be unbelievable if the NY authorities allow this. Do they have the ultimate power or can the President intervene ? I guess in this case to intervene to get it built !
By the way there are many Pat Condell clips on Youtube. And he doesn’t pull his punches when it comes to Islam. I would highly recommend him to any posters here who haven’t discovered him.
Those who like to think of themselves as liberal intellectuals often make a point of holding strange views. Over the years they’ve been wiser than everyone else on all sorts of topics, from Soviet Russia, Fidel’s Cuba, communism in general, educational policy, the arts, climate change etc. Their opinions on Islam are just the latest way they demonstrate their deep insight and understanding, in contrast to the conventional views held by the gullible, Murdoch press influenced masses.
They know that hardly anyone is interested in their views but feel they have to express them to declare their membership of their clique.
Phil,
Nice one ! Yes, the left have an incredible ability to always get everything wrong. It is uncanny.
Sheesh, is this knowing dishonesty or deliberate ignorance? Even Muslims don’t claim that Islam is a religion of love, ONLY Christianity, uniquely of all major faiths, makes that claim.
All he knows is Christianity, so all religions must be like it.
BBC’s sympathetic report of convicted Islamic jihad Somali pirates:
e.g. BBC only refers to convicted Muslim’s insult against Netherlands; nowhere does BBC report prosecution case.
“Five Somali men jailed for piracy by Dutch court”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/10342547.stm
The BBC types through the years have always supported those who would destroy Britain and the west. First it was the communists, who unfortunately were defeated. The left didn’t care or turned a blind eye to the mass murder in the UUSR, “the end justifies the means”.
The left then took up with Islam, another barabaric doctrine to fill the void left by communism. The left always talk of peace and pasafism yet at the same time they defend mass killings.
The left wingers are sick, they really can believe that Islam = peace, even when the bombs are going off around them. With communism the BBC types had a problem, most of the westen goverments were against them. With Islam they are on to a winner as most of the governments today are full of appeasers.
Absolutely right. Islam is the new communism for the left.
Turkey.
Will the BBC publicise the following, in between publicising Turkey’s criticism of Israel?:
“Turkish army: 130 Kurd rebels killed since March”
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=39640
BBC’s enthusiasm for Sharia law in Birmingham continues as it supports Labour MP’s attempt to win local Muslim votes:
BBC report:-
“Public” [code for ‘Muslims’] “‘should decide’ on Birmingham ‘terror’ cameras'”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/birmingham/10347793.stm
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
Quran, Surah 5:Ayat: 82-83 “And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud. When they listen to that which hath been revealed unto the messenger, thou seest their eyes overflow with tears because of their recognition of the Truth. They say: Our Lord, we believe. Inscribe us as among the witnesses”
A Christian Minister’s Conversion to Islam
How the Bible Led Me to Islam:
http://www.usislam.org/converts/converts.htm
May Almighty God the Creator please with all of you, for what you have done helping mankind and will Allah give you peace and happiness in this world and Jannah in the hereafter.
AMEEN
There would be far more peace in the world if violent jihadist adherents of Islam stopped killing each other and anyone else their bile picks on
BBC Radio 5: reporting at our expense at Islamic Algeria’s response, from Algiers, at half-time to England game: with TV sets there being switched off for Islamic prayer-time.
BBC reporter does not use the word ‘Islam’ nor ‘Muslim’ to describe these events!
Muslims stopping what they’re doing for prayer time is news? Dog bites man.
Dogs not allowed in Islam.
Indonesia.
BBC is very late to catch on to repressive Islam in Indonesia.
‘Jihadwatch’:
1.) 24th May –
“Indonesia: Authorities shut down church after protests by Islamic supremacists”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/indonesia-authorities-shut-down-church-after-protests-by-islamic-supremacists.html
2.)29 May-
Indonesia: Police checkpoints and raids against jihadists jeans and tight skirts
BBC report:
18 June:
“Gay and transgender struggle for acceptance in Indonesia”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia_pacific/10349050.stm
Pakistan.
BBC report:
“Eleven killed in ‘US missile strike’ in Pakistan.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/10356604.stm
Alternative, non-BBC headline:
‘Eleven jihadists killed in US missile strike in Pakistan.’
Also for BBC:
“Why Pakistan Produces Jihadists”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703866704575223832888768098.html
BBC’s ‘militants’, and Islamic Republic of Iran.
Apparently, for BBC, the following event is simply a case of one group of Muslim ‘militants’ (Shia) hanging a member of another group of Muslims militants’ (Sunni):
“Iran hangs Sunni militant leader Abdolmalek Rigi”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10359415.stm
From an anti-Islam perspective though:-
Fitzgerald: “Defeating the Jihad by Dividing the Jihadists”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/05/fitzgerald-defeating-the-jihad-by-dividing-the-jihadists.html