The last one of this year and the floor is your!

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22 Responses to THE LAST OPEN THREAD OF 2009..

  1. deegee says:

    Vox Populi don’t mean anything. In this case the BBC has attempted to find one of each opinion. Israelis reflect on the war, one year on including an anonymous Gazan critic of Hamas. But one commenter really grates to the point I wonder whether he is a wanker and the BBC fell for it or never existed and the BBC invented him.

    ABU NADER, Gaza militant, Gaza Strip

    This Palestinian describes himself as a fighter with no political affiliation. He says he is not a spokesman for Hamas, and spoke on condition that his identity was concealed.

    He could be anyone wrapped as he is in a keffiya and Abu Nader is a nom-de-guerre but this doesn’t ring true. How can you be a fighter with no political affiliation?

    Firstly, War, even as defined by Hamas, is not an individual pursuit. Weapons have to be smuggled in or manufactured; transport and targets have to be coordinated; lookouts positioned; escape routes planned, etc. Not a one man job. The Israelis no longer sit in Gaza who and how was he fighting?

    Secondly, the differences between the various groups are deep and real. If Hamas suspects you are an armed Fatah man or worse, an Israeli agent and you are genuinely unaffiliated, that is, no one to back you if you are accused, then you are dead.

    Thirdly, why the rag around his face? Genuine fighters have elaborate photographs taken. We see them all the time. The various groups photograph each other all the time and distribute the photographs. One wonders if he is worried that the Israelis might recognise him or worried he might be recognised as the delivery man for the BBC’s Jerusalem office?



  2. George R says:

    PM Brown’s New Year message (of lies), dutifully carried by BBC , with 19 paragraphs for Brown, and three for Tories.

    Two examples of Brown’s deceptions, not questioned by BBC:

    “Mr Brown’s new year message, delivered on the Downing Street website, also includes a reference to the alleged US plane bomb plot on Christmas Day.
    “He says it was a reminder that there was ‘a terrorist threat which puts our safety and security at risk’ and pledges ‘no let-up’ in efforts to stop attacks on Britain. ”

    ( Lovely use of the word ‘alleged’ above!)

     PM Brown is partly responsible for increasing the terrorist threat on British people by pursuing a ‘policy’ of mass immigration from Islamic countries (which continues). Such numbers include Islamic jihadists, their supporters and sympathisers, and include others devoted to developing Sharia law in Britain. Brown and the Labour government plays the dhimmi in all this, as Labour’s appeasement of Islam increases at Election time.

     And the Labour government ( along with the BBC) put ‘political correctnerss’ above security on matters Islamic jihad.


    .”.his government had already ‘seen off the worst of the recession’, the PM said.”

    The Labour government continues to pursue contradictory economic ‘policies’; while it increase government spending (despite warning from the IMF, and threats of reductions in UK international credit ratings), Labour is also increasing taxes, in the form of VAT rate increases on 1st January – which affect poor and rich, but particularly the poor.

    “Gordon Brown’s New Year message looks to Election”


  3. Peter G says:


    Usually you only write about jihad! A welcome change. Are you scared of the jihad georgie? I think you must be. Nasty muslims everyhwere, all trying to kill us all! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. It’d be so much better if you and Lord Vance of Ulster ran the country. You could be Foreign Secy to Vance’s PM. You could look for a place with lots of muslims in, and bomb it. Like you want to. Sad, crazy old man.


  4. toddy357 says:

    peter G you realy are a gobshite.tell me one yes just one good thing muslims have done for this country.


  5. Guest says:

    Just watched the Breakfast News.

    When the male teleprompter reader solemnly intones that ‘The Taliban has told the BBC that… they have slaughtered a bunch of folk….’, how, exactly does this come about.

    Was it casually mentioned in the pub afterwards over a pint? Or in a note left on the bedside table as they skipped off for another day’s ‘work’ leaving the lovely embedded reporter to catch up on their full beauty rest.

    Or, was it simply a press release wafted out on to the ether for anyone to pick up and ‘interpret’ as they see fit?

    Whichever ay it seems an extraordinary way to claim and/or impart such ‘news’.


  6. Backwoodsman says:

    Listening to Toady this morning, a beeboid trying to justify to their ‘guest editor’, the massive management salaries paid. Beboid , well , they could go elsewhere, ITV or Channel 4. guest editor, ‘but they are both bankrupt’ . Beeboid, ‘errm.’
    How about a promotional post, which members can place on other blogs and comment collums that they visit. Something along the lines of :

    ‘If I suggested you make a £160 donation every year to gordon brown and new labour, you’d think I was mad. So why are you still paying for the newlab propaganda wing ? Don’t pay the bbc licence fee , help get rid of labour.’

    This could be followed up with a simple message on dealing with pest callers from crapita.


  7. Paddy says:

    Viva Castro Viva Cuba Viva Auntie,

    yet again the beeb goes soft on commies.
    No articles about how night clubs exploit women by objectifying their bodies. No articles about how communism is benefiting by  exploiting underpaid dancers. No comparison with wages on cruise ships.
    what we get is a page long fluff piece on the copacabana in Cuba.

    No criticism usually leveled at old fashioned entertainment no lefty femme vitriol just pure beeb propoganda helping prop up a bankrupt and corrupt regime


  8. George R says:

    This seems to be a suitable New Year’s message for the BBC:


    “Since Muslims took down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, every attack on a commercial airliner has been committed by foreign-born Muslim men with the same hair color, eye color and skin color. Half of them have been named Mohammed.

    “An alien from the planet ‘Not Politically Correct”‘would have surveyed the situation after 9/11 and said: ‘You are at war with an enemy without uniforms, without morals, without a country and without a leader — but the one advantage you have is they all look alike. … What? … What did I say?’

    “The only advantage we have in a war with stateless terrorists was ruled out of order, ab initio, by political correctness. ”

    (Ann Coulter)


  9. Martin says:

    What is going on with the BBC and the Guardian over Iran? normally the BBC is right up the ring piece of every Guardian story but for some reason the BBC seems not to know how to react over this claim that the hostages were held in Iran.

    question is is Nu Liebour distorting the truth here? The BBC hasn’t made any accusations against  Liebour at all and seems to be dissing the Guardian story. In fact in his story it’s buried away in the article.

    Poor old BBC it has two masters, the one eyed mong boy and the Guardian and it doesn’t seem to know which way to turn. Or perhaps it wants to protect the Iranian Government?


    • 1327 says:

      Martin from time to time the Guardian is capable of good investigative journalism. This story is embarassing to new labour (and also to therefore to the Beeb) but is doubly embarassing to the Beeb as it is the kind of scoop they are incapable of getting these days.

      Incidentally Guardian science reporting is usually first class except when it comes to AGW when sadly they stick rigidly to the party line.


    • George R says:

      And the BBC omits reference to the price paid:

      “US release Iranian-backed terrorist behind murder of US troops”


      “Bill Roggio writes at the Weekly Standard:

      The British are all smiles over the release of Peter Moore, a British citizen who was held hostage by an Iranian-backed Shia terror group in Iraq. But there is little talk about the price paid to secure Moore’s release. The US military has freed Qais Qazali, the leader of the Asaib al Haq, or League of the Righteous, as well as his brother Laith, several Qods Force officers, and more than 100 members of the terror group, in exchange for Moore. And that isn’t all. The British also received the corpses of three security contractors who were working to protect Moore when he was kidnapped at the Finance Ministry in Baghdad in May 2007. The three contractors were executed by the Asaib al Haq; another is also thought to have been killed.

      Qais Qazli wasn’t just some run of the mill Shia thug; his group is backed by Iran.”


  10. Martin says:

    Just heard Ben Wright BBC 1 news do a total spin defence of Jack Straw’s comments on the Toady show his morning. “It was just an end of year unguarded comment” claimed turd sniffer Wright. How would he know?

    Typical BBC spinning to dig a Liebour scum bag out of a hole.

    Could you imagine if a Tory MP had said the same thing about the Police?


  11. Will says:

    No sneers necessary when the BBC is in agreement. The radio news coverage this am of the Conservative’s findings on the retention by the police of innocent peoples’ DNA samples referred throughout to the “Conservatives”, none of the usual sneering reference to “Tories”


  12. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Last night I commented in the “BBC Moment of the Year” thread that one of my top moments of bias was every report where the BBC conflates Hamas and innocent civilian casualties when reporting on Gaza body counts, yet take care to separate Israeli military from civilian deaths.  They do this so consistently I just knew there would be one more to end the year.  And here it is:  once again the BBC fails to differentiate between Palestinian civilians and Hamas fighters in their ghoulish body count.

    During the offensive, the Israeli army says it killed 1,166 Palestinians. The Palestinian health ministry’s count is about 1,500.

    Nine Israelis, including three civilians, were killed by Palestinian fire in Gaza. Four others, all Israeli soldiers, were killed by their own side.

    As always, the BBC takes care to highlight the stark contrast between the number of casualties on either side of the conflict, deliberately obscuring Hamas involvement from the picture, creating the impression (where have we heard that before?) that all deaths on the Palestinian side are innocent civilians.  The editorial goal here is to promote a sense of unfairness, to make the audience come away with an awareness of a disproportionate response from the Israelis. Of course, this is very ghoulish because implicit in this editorial policy is the idea that the Israelis ought to let more of their people die before they take any action because otherwise it’s unfair.


  13. George R says:

    The Labour government (and the BBC), unlike the ‘Guardian’, play down Iranian regime’s involvement in capture, and killings of British hostages

    The analysis of Liam Fox, Shadow Defence Secretary, is better than what we get from Labour on Iran:

    “The world must neutralise Tehran’s toxic threat”


  14. Martin says:

    Whilst the Tories use FOI requests to find out about our privacy being abused by the cops and the Guardian (of all papers) looks at the truth into the Iraq kidnappings what is the BBC up to?

    Yep using FOI’s to find out about Thatcher and Hesseltine. These drugged up losers at the BBC are just obsessed with Thatcher for some reason.

    Shouldn’t the BBC be using FOI’s to find out the lies that Nu Liebour are carrying out to take away our freedoms?


    • Scott M says:

      But that’s part of why the BBC used FOI in this instance – to establish a precedent so that any application to release Cabinet minutes for more recent controversies would have greater weight.


      • Paddy says:

        happy new year Scott me old mate. Still deluded as ever.
        Have you got your chief apologists badge from the BBC scouts.

        Auntie hate thatch.

        I’m not her greatest fan but their hatred borders on obsession.

        Commie traitors are given the soft soap treatment at her age yet one of the two main leaders who helped bring down communism is treated like scum.


  15. George R says:

    Another long, evasive article by BBC:

    “”Plane bomb suspect ‘radicalised after leaving UK'”

    The BBC avoids the words ‘Muslim’ and ‘Islam’ and ‘Jihad’, so what does the BBC mean by ‘radicalisation? Isn’t the Qur’an the ‘radicalising’ element, with its references to the unworthy ‘infidel’ and  the need for Muslims to carry out jihad against us?
    The BBC never discusses this. Apparently, the BBC thinks that ‘radicalisation’ has to do with geography, not with Islam.