TUESDAY OPEN THREAD

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  1. not a Tangled Web either says:

    Robert and JohnA,

    For robert without the url and name you must use a google account. Depending on what you call yourself you may post a comment here.

    JohnA for links you need to use html, the powers that be here should put up instructions for that as many are asking the same question.

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  2. David Preiser says:

    The BBC now seems to be encouraging people to get to the polls for the next European Parliament elections.

    I know it’s a theme here that the BBC is very pro-EU, but this piece goes one better. The BBC got Simon Hix from the LSE to explain why you all better wake up about how important the EU Parliament is. Sure, they make laws which affect your everyday lives, but you already know that. Here’s the real reason:

    So, European Parliament elections matter. If the centre-right wins we can expect more market liberalisation, fewer environmental regulations, and more restrictive immigration policies, while if the centre-left wins, we can expect stricter environmental standards, more labour market rules and liberal immigration policies.

    Most voters in Europe care about these policy choices, yet they are not presented with them in European elections. This is because national parties have an incentive to treat these elections as national contests. For example, the Conservatives will try more to embarrass the Labour government, rather than to win more seats in the European Parliament. Total liberal bias. You better vote, and properly, otherwise the nasty right-wingers will pass nasty laws or repeal good ones. The BBC knows Hix’s political leanings, which is why they asked him to write this opinion piece. Traditional partisan stuff tends to allow the possibility that the Left won’t win all the time. The theme of most of his work is that this needs to stop in order to improve the EU.

    This is probably going to be the BBC Narrative between now and the June elections.

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  3. BaggieJonathan says:

    New site loads immediately, no problem on whichever compter I am using, and no haloscan not availables now – excellent.

    Site looks much smarter and is easier to follow – very good.

    Typing in the name takes a second so does the verification to stop spam. No problem.

    New comments since last viewed, that is what I miss.

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  4. BaggieJonathan says:

    Looks like sharia law is a wonderful thing.

    Well I read Syed Shoaib Hasan on the BBC and he reports it is.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7959100.stm

    Its still on so no problem from the BBC.

    The outcry across Pakistan – misplaced.

    The outcry across the international community – what do those kaffirs know.

    Human rights activists – ought to be ignored.

    Legal experts – got the wrong end of the stick.

    The ‘common people’ have ‘welcomed it’. They are ‘thronging’ to them, didn’t you know.

    Quick and impartial justice vividly illustrated.

    If only it gets the resources it needs it will be so efficient.

    Praise allah it is such a success.

    Soon be ready for Britain too.

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  5. BaggieJonathan says:

    Oh and any chance that the moderators could look more closely at those attempting impersonation recently.

    Perhaps they could be reminded it is not only likely to get them banned, it is illegal and actionable.

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  6. xenu says:

    hi

    not sure if this is the correct feedback point. Anyway, the housing problems of "Baroness" Uddin are unknown to the BBC. Just search on her name on the website and 2 pages of oh-so-respectful links… as of 16:30 today:

    http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?uri=%2F&scope=all&go=toolbar&q=baroness+uddin

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  7. GCooper says:

    It seems likely the BBC is employing its standard tactic when faced with embarrassing stories, over the ‘Baronness’ Uddin affair.

    This involves completely ignoring the issue until the rest of the media have pawed it into the ground, then mopping-up with a few lines, no doubt hoping that the great unwashed, who get most of their news from the BBC, simply never notice anything at all happened.

    This enables the Corporation’s crack team of serial liars to claim ‘We ran that story!’ when challenged, without having disturbed the viewers, listeners and readers with anything likely to trouble their ignorance.

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  8. Jack Bauer says:

    DB — President Obama is fluent in Austrian, Brazilian, Mexican and Canadian

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  9. thespecialone says:

    When I click on a link, how do I get a new window to open? This used to happen to me in halocan as well. When I click links on other sites such as Guido’s, another window does open.

    I have intelligent colleagues who genuinely believe that the best news is from the BBC. As Littlejohn would say, ‘you couldnt make it up’.

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  10. Anonymous says:

    The BBC routinely describes Mr. Lieberman, Israel’s Foreign Minister as:

    “An ultra-nationalist Jewish settler in the occupied West Bank”

    and in the BBC’s second half of the sentence,
    “Mr Lieberman skirted around the key issue of a Palestinian state.”

    So, the BBC’s totally biased stance against Israel is, in this Machiavellian sentence:

    “An ultra-nationalist Jewish settler in the occupied West Bank, Mr Lieberman skirted around the key issue of a Palestinian state.”

    -From BBC ‘Middle East’ webpage report:

    “Italy urges better EU- Israel ties”.

    As reported by the ultra anti-British nationalist BBC.

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  11. Umbongo says:

    Following on from DB’s generic Radio 4 comic, right now on BBC4 we are presented with a whole hour of Marcus Brigstocke. What hold does he have on the BBC commissioning editors? How come such a mediocre talent is continually inflicted on an innocent public?

    It can’t be solely his political opinions. Surely even the BBC realises that a right-on twerp like Brigstocke requires some glimmer of comedic ability to keep the punters listening. But there it is: if you’re getting a (more or less) unaccountable £3.5 billion from the taxpayer, you can do what you like, broadcast (or, more to the point, not broadcast) what you like and commission who you like even if it’s crap like Brigstocke.

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  12. CeannP says:

    Anyone hear the breathless start to the PM show today on R4?

    Hot off the press, the UN criticises Israel over the Gaza ‘offensive’. They couldn’t wait to report on it. Eddie Mair sounded disappointed that due to ‘gremlins’ they couldnt go straight to a report from the UN about it, but no, hold on,let’s wait, thanks to the wonders of technology they fixed the link and could indulge in some Israel-bashing.

    They were almost acting as though that corrupt, biased organisation had some sort of impartial view of the Gaza conflict…(I mean the UN not the BBC, then again…)

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  13. Martin says:

    I noticed the BBC gave a totally one sided report on the Welsh Assembly and its first 10 years.

    Not a word of opposition was allowed.

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  14. GCooper says:

    Umbongo raises an interesting point about Brigstocke. Not only must he have incriminating photographs of Radio 4’s bigwigs, he must have a similar set of BBC 4’s equivalents – he’s rarely off that channel, either.

    Meanwhile, I claim this week’s Mystic Meg award for my prediction of how the BBC would handle the ‘Baroness’ Uddin fraud story. The BBC’s website has finally deigned to cover the story – with Uddin’s wholly unconvincing rebuttal.

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  15. Martin says:

    Umbongo? Radio 5 were due to have the Queen of crap TV on today (that’s the ‘any hole will do for sex’) John Barrowman. He’s another camp twat devoid of any talent that seems to get a BBC show at will.

    When you look at the REAL music talent around at the moment is HE really worth a whole TV series. The man can’t sing and can’t act. So why is he so popular on the BBC.

    Oh hang on he’s gay and gets his cock out live on the BBC. So no doubt 20,000 male beeboids will be off to the toilets to knock one out at the thought of that.

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  16. David Preiser says:

    I can’t find it now, but yesterday the BBC was doing a segment on how Fiat was poised to become the biggest automaker in Europe, taking over Opel and other companies owned by GM and Chrysler.

    There are some issues regarding Chrysler’s impending bankruptcy which the BBC will not tell, even though it’s very relevant to the story and at least as important a domestic US issue as Michelle Obama’s vegetable garden.

    This has been going on for some time, but it’s starting to get noticed now. Apparently President Obamessiah and His Administration are threatening and bullying everyone involved, forcing investors to give up legal claims, so that the President can control both the auto industry and the banks. I’m not making it up or being paranoid.

    The Chrysler Fallout: Obama Takes Sides

    Chrysler LLC’s bankruptcy filing represents something very new and different for the American economy. We don’t have all the answers, but that’s partly because we don’t even have all the questions. There’s a tremendous number of moving parts here, and no one is being very clear about it. I have at least two very big questions, one of which is public and the other isn’t, and one major concern about what Chrysler’s situation suggests could happen to GM and the largest banks.

    According to the law, major investors get first dibs on anything when a company has to go bankrupt. The President is trying to force things to go the other way.

    he real import of the story, of course, is that President Obama is picking sides. Bankruptcy proceedings are adversarial, and the goal is for an impartial judge or trustee to balance the competing claims in light of the rule of law, the existing contracts, and the ultimate good of all the parties.

    Obama has decided a priori, however, that the interests of the United Auto Workers come first. Forget the fact that many of the people who now own Chrysler debt are secured creditors, and thus entitled by centuries of precedent to a preferred position in the disposition of Chrysler’s assets, ahead of the government (which lent unsecured TARP funds) and the UAW (to whose health-care fund Chrysler is obligated to pay cash).

    Forget the law in The Obamessianic Age.

    As it seldom has before, the US government under Barack Obama is directly superseding private contracts, ex post facto. They can change the rules on anyone, anytime, for reasons they only have to explain through a cowed and uninquisitive press.

    It’s Chavez Time.

    Who was it that said this President would govern from the middle? I forget.

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  17. Roland Deschain says:

    Michael Crick has apologised for not reporting Tory sleaze.

    Baroness Udinn however appears to have slipped his mind, although his commenters have reminded him of this, as well as trying to find some common element to those perpetrating electoral fraud.

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  18. Anonymous says:

    This week marks a turning point for Brown and New Labour.

    Nick Robinson seems to have been finally told to turn the screws on Browns future prospects. Oh Betty!!!

    The BBC clearly does effect the result and timing of elections. In the case of getting shot of Labour governments, the BBC does not have to do much. All the BBC has to do, is start to periodically do its perceived job half properly.

    When the BBC sneezes on The Labour Party, the whole Labour movement normally catches electoral Black Death for 15-20 years.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Our problems are.

    How much more damage has Brown been instructed to inflict of our economy and coherent social structure? Or more simply. Is Browns job finally done, or is there more vandalism to come?

    When Browns job is finally done.

    What exactly is Cameron been told to do before he too, will be offered his non job with Morgan Stanly, or The EU?

    Overriding the above questions, is the biggest one of all.

    What type of horrendously nasty ‘EVENTS’ are being planned. The likes of which most certainly could make all of Cameron’s nice sounding promises, suddenly fly out of a Conservative Central Office window?

    We are living during interesting times. Lets us pray, that at least a majority of us live long enough to see less interesting times once again.

    Atlas shrugged

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  19. Martin says:

    Anyone else notice that on Newsnight tonight they had TWO pro McSnot commentators talking about the future of the one eyed pillock?

    Nothing like balance at the BBC.

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  20. John Trenchard says:

    the other other place is back.

    am reopening the other blog, with haloscan comments.

    sorry DV, but i read about your book, and you are a deluded Unionist fanatic. despite the fact that the Irish population voted for the peace process , you are against it. Well, thats fine – but to have such a Unionist fanatic in charge of this blog does not give me confidence. Might as well hand it over to the BNP or Sinn Fein.

    The other OTHER place is now reopned. regulars know where it is. enjoy.

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  21. GCooper says:

    I’m trying to fathom the motivation here (direct orders from Comrade Woodley, perhaps?) but the BBC has definitely had the knife into Fiat this weekend.

    GM/Opel/Vauxhall are, clearly, finished in Europe so what would the BBC prefer – an EU-led BL ‘solution’? A complete shutdown?

    Just what is the BBC’s problem with Fiat? Not Berlusconi by association, surely?

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  22. Anonymous says:

    John, perhaps you need to look up the word “fanatic”. Like all beeboid clones, you think it means “someone who disagrees with me”. Newsflash: it doesn’t.

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  23. Peter says:

    Roland Deschain said…
    Michael Crick has apologised…
    11:42 PM
    Yes. An interesting apology of a story… er… story of an apology.

    I fly no flag in favour of the Conservatives, but Mr. Crick’s ‘body of work’, on his blog at least, is truly extraordinary in it’s single-mindedness.

    He only seems to emerge from political slumber when the Conservatives foul up. And/or when something needs to detract from the Government doing so, again, in spades. Now, they should be held to account, but for the political editor of one of the few remaining main political shows on our publicly-funded national broadcaster to see it as his mission to focus on rummaging in one very specific rubbish bin almost to the exclusion of all else seems extraordinary.

    I am not sure if him committing this level of professional compromise to print in a niche blog for a niche programme… and getting justifiably nailed for it… is really going to compensate for the honeyed poison that drips from the airwaves to be lapped up by less critical or challenging ears.

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  24. Roland Deschain says:

    John Trenchard

    Sorry, but you’re being too quick to flounce off in the huff. This blog is SO much more than David Vance. The regular contributors’ posts are interesting from the point of view of starting discussions but as far as I’m concerned the comments are the real part of the blog and are why I come here.

    Having said that, I think the comments have lost some of their vibrancy and spontaneity since the move from Haloscan. Hopefully this will settle down as people become used to word verification, logging in etc although it is interesting that despite these security measures we seem to have MORE in the way of trolls than before.

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  25. sue says:

    Roland,
    I agree that the strength of this blog is largely in the comments and discussions that the posts engender.

    It is not easy to compile something immediate relevant and short enough to engage people. It’s a different skill altogether than that of commenting and arguing with other commenters.

    If one tries to make posts interesting or to give them a twist of some sort, as I often attempt to do, many people don’t read them properly, so eager are they to make their own comment. It is irritating after you’ve gone to all that trouble (smiley face) but I understand because I sometimes do it myself.
    That’s why I still comment as well as making contributions to the main page, which, incidentally, I was invited to do by Ed, and only accepted after some trepidation.

    This will be at the bottom of the thread and as we have lost the unread comments facility; you’ll have to have spotted it on the ‘Recent Comments’ facility. If you have, well done. (‘nother smiley face) Hey what am I doing. I never use smiley faces.
    I prefer the look of Haloscan, and hope that they can retrieve the features and the appearance it had. But I seem to be one of the few who rarely had technical problems with it; so I’m, as they say, biased.

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  26. sue says:

    I do, however, with this.

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  27. Anonymous says:

    I agree with sue, this teeny weeny box is annoying and the comments have lost vivacity due to people going else where, its difficult to make a comment now, not worth all the hassle. Too much effort on appearance, its like the comments were an after thought.

    I think a lot of people have voted with their feet and gone else where.

    In some ways I agree with JohnTrenchard. A unionist fanatic in charge of things is going to drive the blog down not up, who will take it seriously?

    I’m fed up with the whole situation here, I think I’ll vote with my feet for a while anyway.

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  28. AndrewSouthLondon says:

    Anonymous said… I’m fed up with the whole situation here, I think I’ll vote with my feet for a while anyway.
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    Since you can’t be bothered to identify yourself, how will we know?

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