Don’t Mention the War

Feedback R4 was all about anti-Christian Comedy. What it was really about though, was: why is the BBC too scared to make jokes about Islam? But they were too scared to say that, so they cloaked it in a foil of other religions, saying “You’re always dissing Christianity, why don’t you ever do that with Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, Ismism, oh and Islam. They said it very quickly while no-one was listening.

‘I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it.’ Like that.

Anyway, the chap from the Beeb said “I deny everything” and “edgy comedy” and “Iconoclast”.

Oh well. Feedback is always a bit like that.

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34 Responses to Don’t Mention the War

  1. simon says:

    Yes I also listened to the feedback item. Also heard some of the original ‘jokes’ on the radio. The feedback comment was pathetic – clearly an attempt to ‘go through the motions’ without actually challenging the ethics or logic of the argument. I guess feedback is like that – a loosely veiled opportunity for the BBC to be seen to be challenged without actually achieving anything.


  2. Libertarian says:

    Emily Maitlis on The BBC Program “I’ve Never Seen Star Wars” decided to review “The Satanic Verses”.

    Quite brave, I thought but er………she didn’t understand it, and……….she didn’t really like it…………and all those Dream Sequences were a bit wierd………….

    So thats OK then…………Back to sleep everyone.


  3. jpt says:

    Every time I complain to them about the likes of Chris Moyles etc they (when they reply) use the word ‘edgy’.
    I think I’ll start using it myself now when I P people off – ‘oh it’s because I’m edgy’.


  4. Anonymous says:

    They also don’t like anyone bringing up the fact that Mohammed (p*** be upon him) was a paedophile who married a 6 year old and had sex with her when she was 9


  5. GCooper says:

    Feedback is a pretty feeble programme. I recall they actually sacked the previous presenter, allegedly because he was too robust!

    The current show is exactly as has been suggested – a miserable attempt to pretend the BBC listens to complaints.

    Well, we all know it does that. Then it summarily dismisses them because the BBC always knows best.

    The worst aspect of Feedback, as I’ve said before, is the ‘feature’ where they send some junior girl reporter off to watch while a BBC team does something boring and we get to hear her breathless ‘inside story’.

    Like so much on the BBC these days, it is just embarrassing, time-filling, amateurish rubbish.


  6. Kuffar says:

    ‘Feedback’ is not actually made by the BBC. It is made by a City Broadcasting, an independent production company.


  7. ‘Independent’? You reckon that it would make a program which didn’t conform to what the BBC wants?


  8. John Bosworth says:

    In order to judge how “independent”, City Broadcasting really is, Kuffer could tell us how many former BBC employees work there?


  9. GCooper says:

    And perhaps Kuffar might also care to explain to us in what way an ‘independent’ programme on R4 is any any way distinguishable from one that is produced in-house?


  10. AndrewSouthLondon says:

    I’d love to see the BBC’s diversity statistics. How many Muslims does the BBC actually have on its payroll? And how many “practising” christians (not just the births weddings and funerals lot) Because it might interfere with those people’s editorial judgement, belonging to a cult.


  11. Roxana says:

    In fairness to the Prophet he was clearly not a pedophile. All his other wives were grown women, some even older than he was. As for Ayesha, well even here in the west fifteen hundred years ago it wasn’t unusual for little girls to be contracted to grown men for political or economic reasons or for the marriages to be consumated as soon as the girl passed menarche, and yes a girl’s periods can start as young as nine.

    Other times, other ways excuse Mohamed but the precedent he set for child marriage is clearly unacceptable today.


  12. JohnA says:

    And the BBC decided to run an afternoon “docu-play” today about an Archbish of Canterbury dying and the ensuing dirty fight between two contenders for the office of Primate. The “senior” contender naturally was seen off because he had had an affair with a woman Archdeacon, and the fix was then in for the Bishop of Oxford who was having a crisis of faith. Soon after his appointment as Primate he quit – to revert to Catholicism.

    Generally presenting the CofE as a nasty bunch, replete with pastiches of nasty upper-class wives.

    Just what we needed on Palm Sunday weekend.


  13. Indeed Roxanna, let’s be fair to the ‘prophet’. He lived in the 7th century and girls of 9 were fair game. However, I’m not sure that these practices were the norm in the Roman Empire which pre-dated the ‘prophet’. Still, Mo set the standard for muslims of today.


  14. Kuffar says:

    I don’t know how many former BBC people work for City Broadcasting, but my guess would be around the 100 percent mark.


  15. Red Lepond says:

    Do we know what the BBC’s informal targets are for employing minorities, both on an off-screen. There seem to be a lot of them on the news channel and on CBeebies.

    Rather that, of course, than a representative Eastenders with 40% of the cast being Bangladeshi Muslims.


  16. GCooper says:

    Kuffar: How about answering my question?

    Or are all BBC fans transmit-only devices?


  17. fewqwer says:

    Anyone who thinks Kuffar is a BBC fan has not been paying attention.


  18. GCooper says:

    fewqer writes: “Anyone who thinks Kuffar is a BBC fan has not been paying attention.”

    Then perhaps you or he can enlighten us as to what his initial point was trying to establish.


  19. Kuffar says:

    Erm, I’m not a BBC fan by any means.What’s this all about?


  20. Kuffar says:

    The initial point I was making wasto point out the neutral, non-BBC supporting fact that the BBC commmision this programme from an outside supplier. Might be interesting to find out more about City Broadcasting i.e who owns them, who are they, how did they get to make Feedback, but I do not have the time to do this. Perhaps someone else cam. Sorry for living.


  21. Rob says:


    As you say, however acceptable it may have been in 7th century Arabia for a middle aged man to have sex with a nine year old, it is not acceptable to us in this country in the year 2009. Unfortunately, for Muslims, Mohammed is the perfect man, and anything he did is, by definition, acceptable for all time. That is why Islam is stuck in the 7th century, and can never leave it, because that is when perfection was achieved. Anyone who does not accept that, cannot be a Muslim. QED.


  22. Robert says:

    Rob: it’s also worth pointing out that all major religions, except Islam, tend to take their inspiration from figures whose morals and general behaviour are still in some ways relevant today – partly because they made a stand against the barbarous practices of their own times. I don’t remember reading about Moses, Jesus, the Buddha, Confucius etc shagging 9-year olds, leading psychotic warriors into battle or personally directing the persecution of neighbouring peoples and faiths. Now Muhammad, on the other hand…


  23. GCooper says:

    Thank you for clarifying, Kuffar. It sounded as if you were suggesting that the fact Feedback is made externally somehow absolved the BBC from the responsibility of it being so poor.

    I realise now that was not you intention.


  24. Dagobert says:

    The anti-semitic enslaver Mahomet sets an example to all Moslems. The Ayatollah Khomeni, responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands, had an 11 year old wife. So mediaeval customs still apply in some Moslem countries today.


  25. JohnA says:


    This sounds even worse – and so does the stuff described in the comments afterwards :

    I do not know if these are authentic :


  26. Rob says:


    A very fair point. Has there ever been a major religion established by a man like Mohammed? By modern standards we would call him a killer, a liar, a slave master, a rapist and a paedophile. Yet to the followers of Islam, he is none of those things, he is the Prophet of God. So how can any Muslim speak out against keeping slaves, including sex slaves (so called “concubines”, of whom Mohammed had several), or marrying and having sex with a child? If Mohammed did it, how can it be wrong? That is the fatal paradox of Islam: the faith can only progress if it rejects the actions of the man who founded it, in which case it ceases to exist.


  27. JohnA says:

    At a time when Henry the Eighth at least had the decency to have one wife at a time, Ottoman sultans had hundreds of concubines. Essentially brought in as attractive YOUNG slave girls from around the caliphate. One sultan got a bit suspicious of his harem, had them all put in sacks and drowned in the Bosphorus.


  28. Robert says:

    very well put. You shd copy that to ‘Thought for the Day’ – it’s just the kind of thought-provoking ‘questioning’ the BBC always claim to be interested in!


  29. Rob says:


    In a parallel universe that would be a very good idea!


  30. Sarah Jane says:

    “Feedback R4 was all about anti-Christian Comedy. What it was really about though, was: why is the BBC too scared to make jokes about Islam? But they were too scared to say that, so they cloaked it in a foil of other religions, saying “You’re always dissing Christianity, why don’t you ever do that with Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, Ismism, oh and Islam. They said it very quickly while no-one was listening.”

    While that is an accurate representation of the introduction to the programme. The main part of it was clearly about ‘making jokes about Christianity vs not making jokes about Islam (and atheism)’. Did you listen to it?

    The beeboid’s defence was a bit lame, although he was able to find some evidence of jokes about Islam and promised to do more on atheists. Overall the assertion that the BBC makes jokes about Christianity that it wouldnt make about Islam stood. Well, it would wouldn’t it – it is undeniable.

    So have you shot the messenger here?


  31. Sue says:

    Sarah Jane. I did listen to it, and I ‘ran that argument by’ myself first, but was unconvinced. They were on eggshells the whole time. Of course they have very good reason not to make jokes about Islam. I wish they would just admit it and not pretend otherwise.

    Would a fatwa against Jeremy Hardy be such a bad thing?


  32. Sue says:

    I sound a bit like a Beeboid on Feedback there. Wrong? Moi?

    Sorry about that. I do take your point, but stick to my guns, ironic or not.


  33. Fran says:

    Credit where it’s due: I heard a splendid dramatisation of part of Luke’s Gospel this afternoon, part of a series of Passion-themed afternoon plays.

    It was uncompromising and powerful on the D L Sayers’ ‘Man Born to be King’ line.

    Well done Auntie Beeb.


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