I see that Nicky Campbell on “The Big Question” on BBC1 this morning has been asking the question that is surely uppermost in all our minds at this time “How long before Britain gets a Black Prime Minister?” Nicky also wondered when the first “openly” gay PM would come to power. (Does Nicky know something about Gordon he’s not letting on?) How about a Black and Gay PM, Nicky? Of course this is all part of the vacuous hype leading to “Call me Abe” Obama’s coronation next week and the BBC is to the fore in cheer-leading for this. Well worth you license tax.
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It’s a perfectly legitimate question.
Well, that sorts it then.
I just thought the question a daft one, that really only serves to create programmes like this and stir a few folk up a bit running in circles. Certainly the audience was well designed to make it on message. A bit like the Andrew Marr show guests.
Moving on…
I was kind of interested in the logic behind the panelist who thought it should be nothing about the person’s colour or any other such superficial quality (which I agree with. But they also mentioned leadership ability as being ‘superficial’, which I fear I cannot share. Leadership is hard to define, but too many seem to have been foisted upon us one way or another lately that don’t have it, and ‘we’ are suffering as a consequence), but then advocated a move to matching the totality of MP representation in the the UK Parliament by race.
Maybe things could just be allowed to work out naturally? Or, perhaps some still think they need to be ‘shaped’, by those who ‘know’ better.
Frankly the obsessions with various attributes beyond actual abilities to fulfill functions well, seem to be originated much more from those who spend waaaay too much time hunting for reasons, and people, to be easily accused of precisely the same ‘isms’ they profit so well from decrying.
IMHO.
I just wonder when we won’t have to put up with pint sized idiots like Nicki Campbell on the TV or radio?
It is a really dumb question, unless there is a realistic candidate, which there isn’t.
Since realistically the Prime Minister has to be an MP (I know technically the Lords can provide any minister, but I can’t see that washing) there is a limited field of candidates. None of them is anywhere near. Paul Boetang and (accepting any non-white as being symbolic, which is all this would be) Keith Vaz have had the necessary experience. Problem is both are complete idiots.
Didn’t you know that at least 10%, if not 25% of the population are gay, at least that is what the BBC has been trying to tell me for the last twenty years.
Perhaps Campbell has definitive evidence of the predilections (beyond say yachting) of previous Prime Ministers. If so he must publish it’s in the public interest. If not he should shut up
It’s a perfectly legitimate question.
ipreferred | 18.01.09 – 10:57 am |
surely you mean typical..
As for openly gay, I thought that Ted Heath, while not actually “out”, was widely known or assumed to be gay. Certainly in the Conservative Party he was. He was a complete fool as well, but neither factor stopped him taking high office.
ipreferred
it is a counter factual question – like saying “when will the first openly Norwegian prime minister?” It is pure speculation – like most of what passes for ‘news’ and ‘analysis’ on the BBC
I’d vote for the Devil himself if he could do the damn job. Since the choice at the next general election will probably be between Gordon Clown and David Camoron maybe Old Nick would be preferable…
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve suddenly awoken, in a cold sweat, in the middle of the night and whimpered, ‘I wonder when we’re going to get a black Prime Minister?’ to myself, before having to pacify myself by listening to some Razorlight or Kooks (or whichever talentless, faggoty, tight-jeans-wearing, no-discernible-talent, musically-illiterate indie-poser band is popular this week) on my pink iPod and hugging a copy of The Guardian before falling back to sleep. Actually I can – never.
Don’t worry your tiny, lefty, media-studies-trained brain Nicky Campbell (whoever you are). I’m sure both major parties (and those shiftless right-on weirdos, the Liberal Democrats) are breathlessly searching for someone, anyone, with a high degree of melanin in their skin and who can read mindless, non-sensical platitudes like ‘Yes we can!’ and ‘Hope!’ and ‘Change!’ from an autocue as we speak so that they can hit some of that sweet, sweet Obamamania paydirt too.
It’s all too much: It’s well known that the ‘meeja’ and performing arts has a high % of homosexuals within it. just as drug taking in these groups is well above the norm as well.
The BBC’s view of the world is far different from the average man in the street.
The media and public sector has no idea of reality. It exists in a surreal alternative universe where commerce and making a living by normal means are a concept rather than a reality.
Their only basis of progress is the tick box, so they judge everything by stastics, the overall percentage of gays, blacks,asians etc etc.
The rest of us don’t really care as long as the bugger does the job right and doesn’t loser you money!
Who is going to employ someone in the private sector because of their sexual preference or colour? But we are expected to employ public sector workers on exactly these criteria.
They should be careful what they ask for. The first female prime minister wasn’t exactly to their taste.
God the BBC really are bigging up Obama. I see John Sopel is off to America as well.
Do we really need so many beeboids flying out to America? I bet they fly from Heathrow as well.
Strange how the bBC is asking the question:
“How long before Britain gets a Black Prime Minister?”
As a means to question our subscription to equality for all based on Race, gender, faith and sexuality which when all lumped together can be encapsulated at democracy seems to forget that none-white people in the UK account for 10% of the population, females on the other hand account for 50% of the population and we had le PM in 1979.
So tell me based on those figures should not the question be;
“How long before the US gets a Female President” which when traipsed across the world shows that more democratic white countries have installed females into the Head honcho slot than they have black people. Thus showing that in picking Obama as the President is the exception rather than the rule.
It is well known that the ‘multiculturalist’ agenda of the BBC overlaps with that of the ‘Guardian’-‘Observer’.
No doubt the BBC will politically endorse this frightening piece of ‘Observer’ reporting/social engineering on RACE:
“Revealed: the rise of mixed-race Britain”
Note the astonishing, and frightening social engineering intent of first sentence:
“One in 10 children in the UK now lives in a mixed-race family, a major study reveals today, raising future hopes of a non-racist Britain.”
Hold on!:
“RAISING FUTURE HOPES OF A NON-RACIST BRITAIN” ???
So is there a secret agenda to increase, through Labour’s mass immigration practice (that huge undeclared ‘policy’ of a decade and more), the numbers of non-white people in Britain, to encourage miscegenation, so that (undefined) ‘racist’ attitudes/preferences are abolished?
This is where the implementation of the political left’s ‘multiculturalism’ [inc. that of ‘Observer’/BBC] leads.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jan/18/race-identity-britain-study
How is dear comrade “bob” Mugabe doing these days?
How long before Iran gets an (openly) gay president?
How long before Iran gets an openly gay female Jewish President?
How long before we get a government worthy of our tax??
How about “How long before Britain gets a Female Prime Minister?” Oh, sorry… yeah, I almost forgot. It’s been too long.
Alternatively: “How long before Britain gets a Labour Prime Minister who has a full brain?”
Since licence payers are, in reality, paying for the air tickets I reckon we have the right to charter the ‘plane. I say we pack as many Beeboids onboard an Air CIA flight as possible and have the cabin crew rendition the bloody lot of ’em before chucking ’em out mid-Atlantic!
Because they want us to believe Obamasshole can walk on water let’s see him take a hike in order to pull his Arselikhan buddies out of the drink. I’d pay to see that any day…
Mark reynolds and the BBC governors could always resign in favour of placed gay folk. If they dont mind losing the salaries.
How many BBC types would prefer the Bishop of Rochester or the Archbishop of York to be head of the Anglican Church inplace of Rowan Williams?
You see it’s not enough for such and such to be black. In BBC-land they must also have the required ‘right-on’ and ‘stick it to the man’ chip-on-shoulder anti-British attitude.
Anything else simply won’t do.
Yes, as Roland says, the media types weren’t too happy with the woman prime minister they thought they wanted. In the 70’s they had Shirley Williams in mind. Unbelievable now, but true!
When it comes to sterotyping the ‘liberals’ can’t be beaten. all women are compassionate and caring asd all black people have an instinctive need for fairness and equality. I sense another betrayal in the making with Obama, just as Blair betrayed the Guardian reading types who knew he was the messiah in 1997.
Robert: Yes I wonder if Campbell might like to ask a certain ‘mentally deranged’ part of our society (you know who you are bearded f**kwits) if they’d vote for a gay politician.
I thought it was common knowledge that Edward Heath and Stanley Baldwin were gay. Does “openly gay” mean living with a same-sex partner at No. 10?
George R | 18.01.09 – 1:40 pm | #
It’s funny that they say that, because I’ve lost count of the number of cases I’ve heard about here in New York in which a kid from a mixed race family has committed a race hate attack on someone who is quite often the same race as their mother or father. Lefties labor their entire lives under the delusion that if only they could socially engineer society “just-so,” then all social problems would magically disappear. It is this tendency to believe in adult fairytales (like Marxism) that makes them so dangerous.
David Preisser – strangely, the traitor, Edward Heath, has never actually been ‘outed’ by the British media. It’s hard to think why when he was (and his memory is) despised by so many.
That may, of course, be why the BBC has kept its paws off him. They wouldn’t want a traitor to have been the first homosexual PM, nor the man who betrayed his country to foreign powers.
Sorry – a loss of concentration there. I’d intended to write: “They wouldn’t want a failure to have been the first homosexual PM, nor the man who betrayed his country to foreign powers.”
Heath was a Marxist in his university days.
Social engineering is all that the BBC knows. We will now arrange to have a black PM and will put all our efforts behind this notion in every single current affairs programme and every single “comedy” and on every single news broadcast.
On another level, this is rather insulting to black people. The Archbishop of York arose to his eminence and popularity across the board through the clarity of his thinking and his being right on major issues.
Why is it important when a black or gay PM comes to power? It isnt a big question more like an irrelevant question. I want the best candidate from the party that forms government to be the PM. A better line of questioning would be a discussion on meritocracy and whether social engineering with A-list candidates and quotas leads to better representation and represtatatives.
Representation is of course an inexact science, strictly saying black people or gay people better represent other black or gay people is ridiculous.
Ryan | 18.01.09 – 8:35 pm
There are two kinds of people who say, “It’s about time we elected one of (insert minority group here).”
1. Members of said minority group, who say, “It’s about time one of us got elected. Now our voices will be heard, because people unlike us cannot truly represent or understand us.” This cannot be called out for what it is, because they aren’t white, Christian males.
2. People who base too many opinions on emotion instead of reason, and say, “Aren’t we tolerant for electing said minority. It shows how far we’ve come.”
Neither of these have anything to do with your rational criteria for electing someone to public office.
If rational criteria was part of the party selection and electorial processes then most of the muppets we currently have in office wouldn’t be there.
Yap, yap, yap. The BBC said this, the BBC said that.
There, there chaps. Don’t hammer those keys too hard in anger or you might get a blister on your fingers.
Keyboard warriors droning on and doing nothing about it because they live in fear of the state.
Hypocrites.
Don’t feed the troll.
BCC is truly getting lower and lower … they should be concentrating on people’s characters and whom should be able to run office ( even though I am not in UK nor am I British ) instead of labels !
And then they see traditional people or values as ” irrational ” , from the ” dark ages ” , not ” modern ” enough , ” intolerant ” or whatever they come up with … FYI I am a multiracial person myself ( and traditional too ! ) and religious ( Christian ) … liberals ( and even some ” moderates ” ) love saying that conservatives are nutcases or lunatics and that we are obssessed with race and sexual identity and continue propagating ” racism ” or ” prejudice ” but guess what ? It is them whom continues keeping on this mantra ! This is why I never really connected with liberalism but moderate conservativism ( which I count as ” traditionalism ” ) … no stable moral values , labels/insults and little connection to reality in liberalism … they live in a surreal world sometimes and that’s sad
I don’t hate liberals at all ! I just feel sad for them … stop concentrating on ” minorities ” and ” multiculturalism ” … start doing the right thing
“Heath was a Marxist in his university days.”
Was?
Yes,the time has come for Britain to have an openly black Prime Minister.
What’s with the focus on blacks specifically? One would hope (in vain as far as most of the Labour party goes…) that our Parliamentary representatives would have experience of high level business before going into Parliament. For whatever reason British blacks are not a big presence in high level business. British Asians however are, so the big scandal should be why they aren’t better represented in key cabinet jobs (indeed British of Chinese ethnicity aren’t represented in Parliament at all to my knowledge despite being phenomenally successful in business). I suspect the reason is the crap wages, tokenistic bullshit and degree of brown nosing required to advance in politics which is hardly compliant with the work ethic instilled in a lot of British Asians (except one particular group).
The lack of an openly gay PM won’t last long I reckon, we’re just waiting for the right candidate. It would probably already be Mandelson as clearly the most competent individual in Labour if he wasn’t so dodgy.
Mandy gave up his Hartlepool seat to go to Europe. Brown was forced to make Mandy a lord in order to bring him back into the cabinet (Blatant politicisation of the Honours list. How desperate is that?). Unless he finds himself re-elected as an MP he stands no chance of becoming PM. Besides, he may to be up to his old tricks – buying a house he can’t afford.
His sexual orientation aside, the man may be clever but he’s also, as you pointed out, a liability. For him to be considered suitable to occupy Number 10 would be really taking the Michael. Something New Labour excels at…
The trouble with this focus on equal outcomes is that it assumes equal ability. David Friedman (Milton’s son), has pointed out those “who say they are against teaching the theory of evolution are very likely to be Christian fundamentalists. But people who are against taking seriously the implications of evolution, strongly enough to want to attack those who disagree, including those who teach those implications, are quite likely to be on the left.” http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2008/08/who-is-against-evolution.html
If you read the Snyderman & Rothman study you will see the media reporting of intelligence research diverges significantly from what researchers actually believe. The controversial idea that that intelligence has a genetic component, has now become generally accepted. See the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, Vol. 11, No. 2.http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
Contrary to “culture” theory, the ethnic academic gaps are almost identical for transracially adopted children, and to the extent they are different they go in the opposite direction predicted by culture theory. The gap between whites and Asians fluctuated from 19 to .09 in the NAEP data while the gap in the adoption data is from 1/3 to 3 times larger. This is consistent with the Sue and Okazaki paper above which showed that contrary to popular anecdotes, the values that lead to higher academic grades are actually found more often in white homes. In other words Asian-Americans perform highly despite their Asian home cultural environment not because of it. And though the sample is meager, I find it interesting that the gap between the black and white adopted children was virtually identical (within just 4-6 points) to the gap between whites and blacks in the general population, just like in the Scarr adoption study.
[1] Clark, E. A., & Hanisee, J. (1982). Intellectual and adaptive
performance of Asian children in adoptive American settings.
Developmental Psychology, 18, 595•599.
Frydman, M., & Lynn, R. (1989). The intelligence of Korean children
adopted in Belgium. Personality and Individual Differences, 12, 1323•1325.
Winick, M., Meyer, K. K., & Harris, R. C. (1975). Malnutrition and
environmental enrichment by early adoption. Science, 190, 1173•1175.”
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/004064.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
This circumstantial evidence is slowly being bolstered by increased information about gene variants associated with intelligence that are not evenly distributed amongst populations groups on HapMap (rs2760118-C on SSADH, rs324650-T on CHRM2, and rs760761-C on DTNBP1, for example).
Opps I meant BBC