WAR CRIMES?

UNWRA goes on the offensive against Israel, and describes what it terms “an attack” on a Gazan school as a “war crime”. The it phones Jeremy Bowen, and the idea is now being propagated that Israel must be tried for war crimes. What sickens me is that the BBC must know that Hamas are committing war crimes on a daily basis and not ONE of their intrepid reporters has thought of asking their pals in UNWRA if using women, children, hospitals and schools as shields is a war crime? In the BBC campaign against Israel, Hamas are never guilty and Israel is never innocent.

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54 Responses to WAR CRIMES?

  1. Peter says:

    It has been debated before, and become highly charged, what exactly the prefix ‘UN’ now represents.

    Clarity on the various players (all of them), and their motivations, is not something I am confident of from my national broadcaster, which is a concern and a major reason for my frequenting this site.

    In this regard, I merely wonder to what extent the accusations of ‘war crimes’, by whom, and how they all get reported, tally with the cold hard light of day and reality later on.

    As I freely confess to ‘knowing’ so little, I feel more comfortable with asking questions to help my understanding, and hence have one for those who seem better informed than I, and often seem more able to point in directions I might trust more than the national news entity I am forced to pay for.

    I just watched the BBC New ‘scoop’, with a flak jacket-clad reporter who is the first UK reporter who has ‘got into’ the war zone. Well, clos…er.

    Now, it has been my understanding that access has been denied by the Israelis, for reasons explained and debated endlessly here.

    However, I was intrigued by the map shown, which suggests he crossed over a huge border with Egypt.

    As I doubt such an explanation will be forthcoming from the BBC, why has this access been prevented before, and why has it become possible only now?

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  2. NotaSheep says:

    The BBC described UNWRA as the UN organisation tasked with looking after Palestinians, it did not report the salient fact that in their own words “UNRWA employs some 24,324 staff, of whom more than 99 per cent are locally-recruited Palestinians, almost all of them Palestine refugees.”, Might the fact that UNWRA is 99% Palestinian make their views a touch biased? Might the BBC not think that fact worth mentioning?

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  3. Palestinian refugees? This is 2009 and 1948 (presumably the year the arab authorities asked them to leave their homes so that the Jews could be wiped out) is 61 years ago. Germans from Silesia, Pomerania, Sudetenland etc are not refugees in Germany so why should these ‘Palestinian refugees’ still be called “refugees”?

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  4. NotaSheep says:

    As well holding demonstrations in support of Israel I think that concerned Britons should hold a silent protest outside of the BBC drawing attention to the way that the BBC have been silencing pro-Israeli opinions in their coverage of the current war.

    Anybody feel able to organise such an event?

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  5. The OmegaMan says:

    “UN accuses Israel over phosphorus”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7831424.stm

    Actually, the headline is misleading. It wasn’t the UN, but UNHRW. However, The IRC said that while Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, it had no evidence to suggest the incendiary agent is being used improperly or illegally.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j2vQ8GynRSG8lBEQir4RtXL9Ib2AD95MLHHG0

    The BBC have form in casting aspersions. Here we have a recent report from Gaza:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7823078.stm

    It follows the same innuendo as now classic BBC reporting of Jenin “masacre-that-never-was’, apparantly part of a template the BBC uses to report the IDF.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1935198.stm

    Compare and contrast with reporting of camp battles in Lebanon.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6228766.stm

    BTW, just a few links on war crimes:

    On a definition of proportional response
    http://www.jinsa.org/node/846

    On the Israeli use of White Phosporous
    http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/hrw_anti_israel_campaigns_and_white_phosphorous_condemn_first_correct_maybe_later0

    My commentary, for what it’s worth, is that the accusations of war crimes are unfairly thrown at Israel whenever it fights back against Hamas or Hizbollah terrorism.

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  6. Deborah says:

    Certainly after reading on bBBC the full name of UNWRA on this site whenever I hear the BBC mentioning them I sliently add ‘for Palestinians’ after their mention and the reason for the figures makes so much more sense ie I don’t believe a single one of them.

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  7. Grant says:

    The BBC, always supporting terrorism !

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  8. Anonymous says:

    At last, a demo about BBC bias

    3RD NATIONAL DEMONSTRATION FOR GAZA
    SATURDAY 24 JANUARY
    ISRAEL OUT OF GAZA NOW: LIFT THE BLOCKADE
    ASSEMBLE BBC BROADCASTING HOUSE
    PORTLAND PLACE, LONDON, W1A 1AA
    (Nearest tube Oxford Circus)
    MARCH TO TRAFALGAR SQUARE

    With over 1100 killed, 350 of them children, and over 5500
    injured, the suffering in Gaza is beyond catastrophic. Israel
    is ignoring the worldwide clamour for it to stop now and is
    escalating its attacks.

    A third national demonstration against Israel’s barbarity and
    war crimes has been called for Saturday 24 January in London
    by Stop the War Coalition, Palestine Solidarity Campaign,
    British Muslim Association and many other organisations.

    The demonstration will assemble at BBC Broadcasting House,
    Portland Place, London, as a response to the BBC’s largely
    one-sided coverage of the Gaza massacre, allowing Israeli
    spokespeople endless opportunities to propagate lies and
    deception without challenge.

    We will march from the BBC to Trafalgar Square. Further
    details, including timings and route, will be available
    shortly.

    Stop the War calls on all its local groups and supporters to
    start building now for what we need to make an even bigger
    demonstration than the 100,000 who protested on 10 January.
    Israel must be made to stop its carnage and we must show our
    solidarity with the people of Gaza suffering unimaginable
    atrocities.

    Stop the War will publicise further details and updates by
    email and on our website, as we get them.

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  9. Grant says:

    A further thought. In their support for the Hamas terrorists, are the BBC not comitting criminal offences in this country ? Should there not be a police investigation ?

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  10. Stuart says:

    Anonymous | 17.01.09 – 11:08 am |

    Uh-oh. I do detect another wind up merchant. Either that or another Starbucks is about to get smashed up.

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  11. Grimer says:

    Bill,

    In answer to your questions:

    1) Yes it is
    2) Yes there is
    3) History is now written by left wings dicks, in second rate ‘universities’, that have never lived in the real world – i.e. perpetual students living ‘right on’ lifestyles.

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  12. Cameron says:

    Bill:

    “1000 people (mostly innocent) ”

    erm -how do you know that. If a majority are hamas supporters then surely israel is only being sensible targeting them before they start firing missiles and doing the old suicide bomb stuff?
    GO IDF

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  13. Cassandra says:

    The sheer ignorance of those who freely spew out unproven or verified Palestinian casualties show their bias.
    It takes a war between the ONLY democracy in the region and the usual gang of evil murderous Islamist scum to bring out the leftists/Marxists/Islamist terror lovers.
    These nasty groups of terrorist enablers and sympathisers seem unable to grasp the simple fact that the hamas controled media have consistently lied in the past and they are lying now, none of that matters to them, they are in full on screaming mob mode.
    The wonderful IDF killing terrorist vermin hiding in their holes and behind their women and children so we dont have to!
    The Islamist/leftist bigots sneer at the thought of Israel even existing or having any chance to tell the truth, it speaks volumes about the ‘alliance of evil’ doesnt it?

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  14. Grant says:

    I have been trying my best to not respond to “Bill Buchanan’s” juvenile points, partly as I thought he had been been banned from this website for stealing another poster’s name.
    But I would just point out that, some weeks ago, I suggested to Billy boy that Hamas and Israel should approach CENTO to negotiate a ceasefire.
    I repeated the question and he responded, giving no indication that he was aware that CENTO had been disbanded in 1979, thereby displaying his amazing ignorance of the Middle East !

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  15. annonymous says:

    Bill ‘I got game’ Buchanan | 17.01.09 – 12:02 pm |

    dont bother arguing with this tit,he’s a troll.

    Bill ‘the man’ Buchanan:
    I love it how you silly fuckers waste so much time replying to me….
    cracks me up
    Bill ‘the man’ Buchanan | 10.01.09 – 2:04 pm |

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  16. Grant says:

    Anon 1:10

    You are right, “don’t feed the troll”, he gets his kicks from that.
    Any chance of changing your name from “anon” as it is not clear whether all posts by “anon” are from the same person.
    Just a thought, nothing personal !

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  17. Bryan says:

    The BBC reporter who made it into Gaza through Rafah yesterday has been predictably obedient to the BBC’s censorship: not one word about Hamas.

    Quite a remarkable achievement when you think about it: the terror-friendly BBC has managed entire reports without once mentioning the terrorists responsible for the chaos in Gaza. This article by Christian Fraser is the latest in a long line of them:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7834419.stm

    The only debate here is to what extent the BBC is censoring itself and to what extent the censorship is imposed by Hamas.

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  18. hippiepooter says:

    Oh dear, dont they just hate it that their terrorist chums are on the verge of a resounding defeat.

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  19. Bryan says:

    More on the article from my last comment:

    We have seen their “surgical” air strikes. There is no doubt the Israelis have tried hard to hit their targets accurately. The police station opposite the UN warehouse is now just a crater.

    But there are plenty of bomb sites where there is extensive collateral damage. It is no wonder there have been so many civilian casualties.

    I nearly fell off my chair at the bit highlighted in bold. It almost seemed as if the BBC was diverting for a second from the pro-Hamas narrative. But then Fraser reverted to form. Funny, no mention of the fact that Hamas booby-traps buildings and that that tactic no doubt causes collateral damage.

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  20. Eddie says:

    I have just been listening to Radio 4 “Any Answers” chaired by Jonathan Dimbleby. I have also lodged a complaint with the BBC. This dreadful programme was supposedly about the “Any Questions” transmission from Washington about the forthcoming Obama Presidency, but ended up as a series of outrageous phone ins by people making the most horrendous allegations about Gaza and viciously antI Israel. Dimbleby presumably monitors callers but let them all rip without any correction to such an extent that it all sounded like something coming out of pre war Germany. Throughout the BBC Israel is virtually unheard. An occasional token interview with an Israeli spokesman but consisting mainly of Arab voices manipulating facts. Judging from this phone in such propaganda is clearly working.
    The BBC news department to my mind is a disgrace to ~Journalism and they perfectly demonstrate the exercise of power without responsibility

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  21. GBS says:

    The ongoing wars in the Middle East are enitrely due to the West failing to use retalitory force against Iran following the theft of Western assets 30 years ago.

    Unitl the military strategy of the West obtains a backbone, and until people in the West learn the moral difference between the use of initiated and retalitory force then the struggles against overcoming Islamofascism will continue.

    Teaching our kids to actually *fight* back against school bullies would be a good place to start in undermining the disgusting moral equivalence preached by BBC and accepted by most people.

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  22. TPO says:

    Christopher Gunness, a United Nations official, called on Israel to investigate the incident, which he said could constitute a “war crime.”

    Gunness’s mouth is running out of control. About what you’d expect from the BBC, and of course an ex-employee of the the BBC.

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  23. NotaSheep says:

    Don’t feed the troll.

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  24. Dick the Prick says:

    I’ve still to get my head round why i’m supposed to give a shit? 1,000 deaths, yeah tragic, but sod all in the region of Iraq or Afghanistan which are campaigns that my neighbors are involved in. Is it because fat arsed meeja don’t have 5* hotels with wifi to pontificate drivel from.

    Or Darfur, Zimbabwe, Somalia, DRC etc – oooh, bit dangerous that, one of our hacks was killed dontcha know. Jihadists are using kids as shields to fire rockets at a democratic country – wake me up when it hits 50,000 but in the meantime the whole bally lot of these meeja pricks and the BBC through their ‘unique funding’ can piss off.

    1,000 – compared to 1.2 million in Iraq – shorely wrong priority. Is Iraq just not sexy anymore??

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  25. TPO says:

    Anonymous | 17.01.09 – 11:08 am |

    This is an advert for the anarchist group ‘stop the war’

    This is one of the people behind it:

    http://www.search.com/reference/Lindsey_German

    Also here courtesy of the BBC, who I may add allow her air time.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2008/02/25/profile_lindsey_german_feature.shtml

    The BBC obviously have no qualms about allowqing a member of the Socialist Workers Party to spout their filth and rubbish, but I’m a bit concerned that the Biased BBC site owners are allowing the post at 11:08 to remain.

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  26. TPO says:

    I may add that the so-called ‘stop the war coalition’ are highly selective about which wars they want to stop. Something the BBC fails to polit out everytime they give German air time.

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  27. TPO says:

    that sould be point out

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  28. Dick the Prick says:

    Eddie – any answers has always been wank. Anyway, why listen to knobs when we’ve got our own ‘Bill’ – what a guy, a brick, a good egg etc etc.

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  29. Cassandra says:

    Ging from the hamas supporting and enabling UNRWA just on the BBC, unblinking like some cult crazy whinning about ‘war ctimes’!
    Whats that about ‘never trust anyone who doesnt blink’?
    More hamas approved pictures of screaming Palastinians and no attempt to qualify whether hamas terrorists were using the ‘UNRWA/hamas school’ to attack the IDF(itself a war crime)!
    Constant full on one sided pro hamas coverage now by the BBC, no attempt to find balance, no reasoned qualification of the willd haamas/UNRWA claims, just pure BBC propaganda tuned to assist terrorists and their fellow travellors.

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  30. Anonymous says:

    TPO – it was intended to demonstrate that those on the extreme left (STW) perceive bias at the BBC in much the same way those on the extreme right (here) do. I’m keen to encourage a grand coalition of wingnuts.

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  31. ae1 says:

    The BBC is a joke, we all know that, but their pro hamas/muslim line is beyond the pale. They seem to forget that, when hamas was set up, a primary doctrine was “Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it’ hardy a glowing inditement of the ‘religion of piece’.

    The irony is that those at the BBC are so f**king right-on, that, should this country ever come under sharia law, that those who staff the bbc would be the first out.

    Could you imagine the muslims allowing the high levels homosexuals and drug use and unveiled women on the nation tv’s? Exactly.

    Look at every time in recent history where some country has tried to appease another. They have always got shafted. In a way I hope the same happens to the bbc.

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  32. Robert says:

    The anonymous moron, above, would term all those who accuse the BBC of leftist liberal bias as being “extreme right”. That includes newspapers like the Times, Telegraph, Spectator, Daily Mail, Standard – all EXTREME right. Conservative critics like David Cameron, Boris Johnson – EXTREME right. Even those lefties on the site side bar like Andrew Marr and Jane Garvey – you’ve guessed it, EXTREME right. What about the international critics often cited here, from the media in USA, Holland, Australia etc? Are they EXTREME right too? And the British army, who refused to let the BBC broadcast to their forces in the Falklands and Iraq? That’s it, they, too, are EXTREME right! What a gifted commentator – remember the name, that’s “anonymous”. I wonder what else he has in store?

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  33. Biodegradable says:

    Teaching our kids to actually *fight* back against school bullies would be a good place to start in undermining the disgusting moral equivalence preached by BBC and accepted by most people.
    GBS | 17.01.09 – 3:13 pm

    I, as a kid in the East End of London in the 1950s, was followed home from primary school by kids a year or two older than me and taunted with “four eyes!”, “dirty Jew!” and treated to kicks in the gluteos.

    I asked my dad to come and pick me up the next day but he couldn’t because he was working in central London until the evening. He did however give me the following advice, “You’re going to have to learn how to take care of yourself sooner or later so start now. Hit them, but hit them hard so they don’t get back up again and hit you back. Don’t use your hands because you’re going to have to earn your living with them.”

    The following day I took his advice and when the bullies started treading on my heels I picked up a piece of wood that was lying in the street and hit the biggest bully so hard I broke his arm. Of course I was punished by the headmaster but those kids gave me a wide berth forever after.

    Later at secondary school I found that a swift kick to the groin of my aggressor usually worked. His cries of “you don’t fight fair” were met with my observation that “no, but you’re on the floor and I’m laughing.”

    Since then in adult life I’ve found a basic grounding in Krav Maga to be very useful. The first principle being to avoid potentially violent situations in the first place by being aware and recognising signs of potential threats, after that the basic priciples are surprisingly similar to my dear old dad’s first preparatory lesson:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga#Basic_principles

    The guiding principles for those performing Krav Maga techniques are as follows:

    * Do not get hurt
    * Quickly neutralize the attacker
    * Quickly transition from defensive to offensive techniques
    * Exploit the natural reflexes of the body
    * Exploit all vulnerable points on the body
    * Use any available objects as aids[1]

    These premises were developed in the context of life-threatening situations. Krav Maga Instructors constantly stress the need to match the response to the danger or risk.

    In general, Krav Maga requires the user to deal first with the immediate threat, prevent further attacks, and then neutralize the attacker. Actions are carried out in a methodical manner. Krav Maga emphasizes preventing further attack from the attacker. As such, some circumstances may require action in anticipation of being attacked, in order to avoid the development of dangerous situations.

    Am Yisroel Chai!

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  34. archduke says:

    Did you know that Alan Johnston , “kidnapped” by Pallywooders, is actually a Muslim?

    http://sheikyermami.com/2008/11/11/fooled-again-did-you-know-al-bebeeceeras-kidnap-victim-alan-johnston-was-a-muzz/

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  35. TPO says:

    Robert | 17.01.09 – 5:20 pm |
    My sentiments exactly.

    Biodegradable | 17.01.09 – 5:27 pm |
    We moved to Germany in 1948, I was one. In 1954 my parents sent me back to a boarding school in Britain. I was seven and it was nine years after the war ended.
    The other kids couldn’t understand that I was British and thought I was a Nazi. The nightly thumpings continued until I took the same course as you did. Then I was left alone.

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  36. archduke says:

    TPO | 17.01.09 – 5:47 pm

    same type of deal here – one sharp punch in the nose is all it takes to stop bullying.

    worked for me – and i advise my kid to do the same (and be damned with the P.C. bollocks …)

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  37. Philip says:

    I’m going to refrain from commenting on both the UNWRA piece and al-Beeb’s coverage of it, as I wish to stay within the limits of David’s language request.

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  38. Robert says:

    Some pretty intelligent comments so far (give it time though…)
    Have your say:
    “What next for Gaza?”
    http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=5924&edition=1&ttl=20090117182653

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  39. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Robert | 17.01.09 – 5:20 pm

    It’s always a matter of perspective, isn’t it? To anyone so far Left as some of our defenders of the indefensible, even the center will appear extremely far off to the Right.

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  40. Biodegradable says:

    TPO | 17.01.09 – 5:47 pm

    I know we’re almost the same age. I was born in 1949 and the incident I referred to occurred while taking a short cut home through one of the many bomb sites that still scarred Hackney, so no shortage of pieces of wood or metal to use as a weapon.

    My father also showed me how to use a simple bunch of keys during an Oswald Mosley meeting in Ridley Road. Again, although he didn’t know it at the time it’s classic Krav Maga.

    As Ani DiFranco says, “Every tool is a weapon if you hold it right.”

    archduke | 17.01.09 – 5:55 pm

    I don’t have kids, but if I did I’d encourage them to take up some form of self-defense. Apart from the healthy exercise it teaches discipline, confidence and a cool head neccesary in the event the training has to be put into practice outside the gym in the real world.

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  41. Biodegradable says:

    archduke:
    Did you know that Alan Johnston , “kidnapped” by Pallywooders, is actually a Muslim?

    http://sheikyermami.com/2008/11/…ton-was-a-muzz/
    archduke | 17.01.09 – 5:46 pm

    Why am I not surprised?!

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  42. TPO says:

    archduke | 17.01.09 – 5:55 pm |

    Haven’t seen you here in ages. Good to see you back.

    Biodegradable | 17.01.09 – 7:23 pm |
    Your Dad may have met my Uncle (by marriage). He could speak six languages (which he taught) and wrote a number of foreign language text books. Finished his days at Hatfield Poly.
    He was also one of Moseley’s black shirts. He talked my Gran into sticking up ‘Jews Out’ posters. When the war came along he was thrown into Pentonville, thereafter he was conscripted into the Laundry section of the Pioneer Corps. After the war he became a communist and then finished up his days as a lib dem.
    A very intelligent man who was totally devoid of any common sense whatsoever. We referred to him as dip-stick after he asked another Uncle to help with his car that wouldn’t start. The other Uncle told him his oil dip-stick had worn out and he believed him. Summed the silly old fool up really.
    Nothing at all to do with BBC bias except that he always thought the BBC was wonderful.

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  43. Un:dhimmi says:

    Bio

    I’m going to repeat my post at Sheik Y in response to this, ‘cos I’m not convinced:

    Hmmm… I’m not known for being what you’d call down with al-Beeb OR Islam, but I don’t think this story necessarily proves Jihad Johnston is actually a carpet muncher.

    Have the possibilities that:

    a) They decided to make an ‘exceptional’ award to a non-Muslim? His name would raise their profile and it would also make them look more ‘inclusive’ to the stupid kuffar (see also: Taqiyya & Samosas at your local mosque)

    b) Al-Johnston got a bout of Stockholm ‘flu and converted when he got home, a la Yvonne al-Ridley

    ..been excluded?

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  44. thirdintifida says:

    HAMAS IS A LEGITIMATE ORGANISATION ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY BY THE PALESTINIANS WHO ARE A GRASS ROOT MOVEMENT WHO’S MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO STOP THE ISRAELI ZIONISTS FROM OCCUPYING THEIR LAND. ISRAEL STOLE THE LAND FROM THE PALESTINIANS BY FORCE. ALL ISRAELIS MUST BE REMOVED FROM ISRAEL AND ALL PALESTINIANS SHOULD RETURN BACK TO THEIR HOMELAND. TO ALL THE ZIONISTS POSTING MESSAGES ON THIS WEBSITE – LET ME ADVISE YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE, YOU WERE BANISHED FROM THE LAND OF ISRAEL WHICH IS WHY YOU WERE KNOWN AS THE WONDERING TRIBE. IF GOD WANTED YOU TO HAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL BACK THEN YOU WOULD HAVE HAD IT BY PEACEFUL MEANS. THE FACT THAT YOU STOLE THE LAND PROVES YOU ARE A CONDEMNED RACE. WHEN HITLER ALMOST WIPED YOU DURING THE 2ND WORLD WAR – HOW COME YOU HAVE TAKEN CONTROL OF THE WHOLE WORLD IN A SPACE OF OF YEARS? YOU CONTROL THE MEDIA, ALL THE FINANCIAL BANKS, INSURANCE, MEDIA, GOVERNMENTS? YOU HAVE PENETRATED EVERY MAJOR ORGANISATION AND THE ISRAELI LOBBY CONTROLS THE USA. YOU ARE THE CANCER OF THIS EARTH AND LIKE AHMEDINIJAD CORRECTLY ASSERTED – “ZIONISM MUST BE WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THIS EARTH”. HE IS RIGHT – THEODOR HERLZ WAS A NAZI RACIST. HIS IDIOLOGY IS BASED ON THE SAME HATE RIDDEN BELIEFS OF THE THIRD REICH. YOU WILL NEVER SEE PEACE – THE ISLAMIC WORLD IS GROWING AND FOR EVERY CHILD YOU MURDER IN PALESTINE AND THE OTHER ISLAMIC COUNTRIES TEN MORE WILL BE BORN TO HATE YOU. ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME – HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF AND ONE DAY ALL ZIONISM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THIS EARTH. YOU ZIONISTS CAN WAIT FOR THE RETURN OF LUCIFER – YOUR MESSIAH, BUT WE ALSO WAIT FOR THE RETURN OF JESUS AND WHEN HE RETURNS HE WILL DESTROY YOUR MESSIAH AND ISLAM WILL SPREAD TO EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD. IT IS WRITTEN, IT IS THE DECREE OF GOD, AND YOU CAN DO ALL YOU WANT FOR NOW BUT NOT FOR LONG!!!

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  45. TPO says:

    thirdintifida | 18.01.09 – 1:31 am |

    get rid of this twat.

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  46. TPO says:

    Another example of one of labour’s ‘moderate’ muslims

    Muslim civil servant suspended over ‘killing British troops is justified’ blog
    Last night the Treasury said: ‘HM Treasury takes allegations of this nature extremely seriously and will investigate them thoroughly.’
    Mr Ali, who is married with three children and lives in East London, declined to comment.
    The proceeds of a recent Civil Service Islamic Society annual dinner were passed to Interpal, a Palestinian charity that is banned by the US government • although not in the United Kingdom • due to allegations of links to terrorism.
    The dinner was attended by Labour MP Sadiq Khan and Peter Lewis, head of the Crown Prosecution Service.
    As well as being a career civil servant, Mr Ali has been a community activist for more than 20 years.
    He is also on the board of London CrimeStoppers and sits on the Metropolitan Police’s Strategic Stop & Search Committee and Police Use of Firearms Group.
    Mr Ali is a member of the Independent Police Complaints Commission’s Community Advisory Group and the Home Office’s Trust and Confidence Community Panel.
    There are few people with a higher profile within the ‘moderate’ Muslim community. He is a trustee of the East London Mosque & London Muslim Centre. He chairs the Muslim Council of Britain’s membership committee and is a member of its central working committee.
    He is also the vice-chairman of Canon Barnet School board of governors and chairman of the Saturday Islamic School board of governors.
    He has a wide network of friends, making him an influential figure as the Government tries to ‘engage’ with radical Islamic groups to prevent them turning to terrorism.
    Mr Ali’s friends on the Facebook website include former Guantanamo Bay inmate Moazzam Begg, Inayat Bunglawala of the Muslim Council of Britain, and journalist and Muslim convert Yvonne Ridley.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1120831/Muslim-civil-servant-suspended-killing-British-troops-justified-blog.html

    Will the BBC cover this. Doubt it.
    What is required is that this individual needs to be sacked immediately and repatriated to where his forebears came from.

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  47. long says:

    “thirdintifida:
    HAMAS IS A LEGITIMATE ORGANISATION ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY BY THE PALESTINIANS WHO ARE A GRASS ROOT MOVEMENT WHO’S MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO STOP THE ISRAELI ZIONISTS FROM OCCUPYING THEIR LAND. ISRAEL STOLE THE LAND FROM THE PALESTINIANS BY FORCE. ALL ISRAELIS MUST BE REMOVED FROM ISRAEL AND ALL PALESTINIANS SHOULD RETURN BACK TO THEIR HOMELAND. TO ALL THE ZIONISTS POSTING MESSAGES ON THIS WEBSITE – LET ME ADVISE YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE, YOU WERE BANISHED FROM THE LAND OF ISRAEL WHICH IS WHY YOU WERE KNOWN AS THE WONDERING TRIBE. IF GOD WANTED YOU TO HAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL BACK THEN YOU WOULD HAVE HAD IT BY PEACEFUL MEANS. THE FACT THAT YOU STOLE THE LAND PROVES YOU ARE A CONDEMNED RACE. WHEN HITLER ALMOST WIPED YOU DURING THE 2ND WORLD WAR – HOW COME YOU HAVE TAKEN CONTROL OF THE WHOLE WORLD IN A SPACE OF OF YEARS? YOU CONTROL THE MEDIA, ALL THE FINANCIAL BANKS, INSURANCE, MEDIA, GOVERNMENTS? YOU HAVE PENETRATED EVERY MAJOR ORGANISATION AND THE ISRAELI LOBBY CONTROLS THE USA. YOU ARE THE CANCER OF THIS EARTH AND LIKE AHMEDINIJAD CORRECTLY ASSERTED – “ZIONISM MUST BE WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THIS EARTH”. HE IS RIGHT – THEODOR HERLZ WAS A NAZI RACIST. HIS IDIOLOGY IS BASED ON THE SAME HATE RIDDEN BELIEFS OF THE THIRD REICH. YOU WILL NEVER SEE PEACE – THE ISLAMIC WORLD IS GROWING AND FOR EVERY CHILD YOU MURDER IN PALESTINE AND THE OTHER ISLAMIC COUNTRIES TEN MORE WILL BE BORN TO HATE YOU. ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME – HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF AND ONE DAY ALL ZIONISM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THIS EARTH. YOU ZIONISTS CAN WAIT FOR THE RETURN OF LUCIFER – YOUR MESSIAH, BUT WE ALSO WAIT FOR THE RETURN OF JESUS AND WHEN HE RETURNS HE WILL DESTROY YOUR MESSIAH AND ISLAM WILL SPREAD TO EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD. IT IS WRITTEN, IT IS THE DECREE OF GOD, AND YOU CAN DO ALL YOU WANT FOR NOW BUT NOT FOR LONG!!!
    thirdintifida | 18.01.09 – 1:31 am | #”

    I’m all for free speech and stuff, but really. I can only think that this crap is a joke….no one can take it seriously…..found the rant quite amusing about hate filed ideas of nazis from a person who is spouting irrational hate filled ideology 🙂

    if you really want to be taken seriously you really should get peoples names right, THEODOR HERLZ was called Theodor Herzl, how could a man who died in 1904 be a nazi? we’ll leave aside the whole fact that he was Jewish, when the nazi party was founded in 1919?? Was he psychic???? do tell

    slightly odd that the writer wants all Jews expelled from Israel and ALL Palestinians expelled from everywhere else to live in Palestine

    surely if the Israelis are not supposed to live in Israel/Palestine because God allowed them to be removed by overwhelming military force thus proving that God has cursed them the same thing must apply to Palestinians, I mean to follow your warped logic if God has cursed the Israelis by allowing their removal that it follows that the poor Palestinians people are cursed by God allowing their removal….and if it is your God’s divine judgment that surely Hamas are acting in a way against the divine wishes of God and therefore doing the devils work and should be condemned by all good Muslims….shouldn’t they?

    tell me, what peace is there in Islamic countries? Iran, Syria are not fun laces to reside

    the tragedy in Israel and Palestine are far to serious and important to be reduced to the idiocy of the above

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  48. Peter says:

    Just saw renowned guest objective commentator Kevin Maguire in a solo slot (he’s quite popular, though often ‘balanced’ by blokes in suits, so that ticks the boxes) on BBC Breakfast News.

    Seems the ceasefire is a disaster for the Israelis and Hamas has emerged triumphant.

    He may be right. There again, it was not what I’d call the most throughly debated point I’d ever heard. But Aunty can point at him pointing at ‘a’ newspaper, so there are entirely useful levels of separation there.

    However, by this logic, it may have been interesting if he was asked if would have therefore thought it wiser for the IDF to keep on going.

    At the very least, the MSM seems to want, and is hence getting, things all ways if also one way.

    I can’t really see bigging up Hamas and its ability to keep scuttling around rubble popping off the odd rocket to attract incoming at those it hides behind/amongst as something to crow about much. At the very least, could the not be some hint at the complicity of those who do not care who dies in all this?

    Unless you really are more keen on being their propaganda tool/partner.

    As far as I can see, this is just a recipe for a breather and, unless Israel goes on to be ‘dealt with’ in the manner some of those charming folk we often see chatting with Jeremy, Jeremy, Gavin et al (without being hauled up on a few inconvenient facts), the whole sorry charade will be played out again.

    Nice one BBC. Best start wiring up some kids in UN compounds now. With video feeds I mean, of course. If they don’t turn round and catch anything we shouldn’t see behind them (it can of course be edited out in post), I’m sure there’s lots of juicy footage to be had from such ratings fodder.

    By contrast, we then get a (rather shrill) lady from Sderot on a very bad line being asked ‘how she feels’ about the rockets still coming over. So the other side is being covered, see.

    Again, I was more keen to hear what our Kevin thinks of that, and what could or should be done.

    Or does he just comment on areas that suit, when it suits? I guess if the IDF decide to respond… again … then they will be deemed to have ‘broken’ the ceasefire, and the usual, useful idiots who got what they wanted will be out to demand they get it again. Plus fees.

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  49. Robert says:

    3rd Intifada: get your priorities right.
    FIRST learn the difference between “who’s” and “whose”, THEN move onto the relatively simple task of the 3rd intifada – you know it makes sense!

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  50. Ricky Martin says:

    It is no surprise to me that Gunness is Irish (apologies David) but the Irish republican movement has been a breeding ground of antisemtism since the 1920s, laced with a touch of Irish Catholic Jew hatred here and there. The Irish govt is the most anti Israel in the EU, funding doctrinaire anti Israel hate propaganda at every opportunity. So while they have murdered in the name of Irish nationalism, Israelis cannot defend themselves in the name of Jewish nationalism….I call that rank hypocrisy.

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