. I see that the BBC have been revelling in showing what they allege to be the actions of four Jewish settlers (That’s if you think people on their own land can be settlers!) beating up Palestinians in Judea and Samaria aka “West Bank.” A group of extreme left-wing Israelis – B’Tselem – provided 100 video cameras to Palestinians to help them capture the innate wickedness of the Israelis. Funnily enough the world’s most oppressed people were able to get evidence of Israeli violence very quickly, to the BBC’s evident approval. In fact the BBC were singled out to be given this “exclusive” footage. I wonder why? I also wonder why the BBC cameras NEVER manage to capture the barbarity of the savages that live in Judea and Samaria? Odd, isn’t it?
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Blimey. Next thing you know you’ll be saying there was never such a thing as Palestine. What utter nonsense.
The nonsense, Korova, is that peddled by the BBC and others. I repeat, why no images of Pali savagery? I’ll tell you why – because they are BIASED. The point of this blog.
Pallywood pure and simple!
The video shows nothing, the four masked men could be anybody.
A non-story eagerly peddled by the BBC.
Contrast & Compare:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/190244521193263191/#403942
http://www.honestreporting.co.uk/articles/critiques/new/BBC_Reporter_Genuine_Eyewitness_or_Palestinian_Propagandist.asp
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=139&x_article=1333
korova, from the horse’s mouth:
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”
(PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)
Bio,
Well said.
So, there was never such a thing as Palestine?
Thank you Mr Vance, and thank you.
No answer. Still waiting.
Of course there is such a thing as “Palestine”!
It’s “the national home for the Jewish people”:
http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.asp
Don’t wait any longer for me korova.
a) I am not here at your beck and call.
b) You are a troll and as such I refuse to feed you any more and will not help you to take this discussion off topic.
Golf Foxtrot Yankee
Palestine has never been a “state” in the accepted sense of having agreed delineated sovereign borders. The term has only ever existed to describe a general geographic area located between the Mediterranean and the Jordan river. This, among other reasons, is why even the PLO do not dispute that there is no such thing as Palestinian people”. As the conflict is not about the (non-existent) “Palestinian people”, then it is, by definition, false and simply a manufactured grievance by the Arabs to perpetuate their victim status in the eyes of the world. As the PLO man himself says.
Ah excellent link provided earlier, run by a man who was sceince advisor to a former prime minister who celebrate the anniversary of the King David Hotel attack. Still you probably think he was a charity loving hippy like Yassin, right?
For the BBC, Israel exists simply to throw accusations and hatred at it. I can’t think of a single time when I saw anything positive about Israel or her people on the BBC. Why oh why am I forced to be a customer of this disguting venom? I wait for the day that a Palestinian human rights group gives Jews camcorders to film Palestinian violence and terrorism…
http://www.afsi.org/arablies.htm
If Only the Jews Would Get out Of the Territories There Would Be Peace
The suggestion that peace would come if Israel withdrew to the 1967 lines leaves us with the question as to why the Arabs tried to destroy Israel in 1967 while Israel was within those lines. It also leaves us with the question as to why the Palestinian Liberation Organization was founded in 1964 before the “occupation”. It is instructive to read the Palestine National Charter of 1964. Here are some excerpts:
Article 16: …the people of Palestine, desiring to befriend all nations which love freedom, justice, and peace, look forward to their support in restoring the legitimate situation to Palestine, … and [in] enabling its people to exercise national sovereignty and freedom.
Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, [or] on the Gaza Strip
Korova, you always do this. You demand an answer, and when it is provided, you ignore it (because you acan’t answer it) and make a new accusation. Just like the BBC!
AS I pointed out elsewhere. If some “whitey” had claimed he had film of 4 masked Muslims beating some people up would the BBC run the tape stating that? Of course not.
That could be just abot anyone in those masks. The BBC is just full of crap.
Palestine has never been a “state” in the accepted sense of having agreed delineated sovereign borders.
Mmm. So a state is only accepted if it has ‘agreed delineated sovereign borders’? Interesting.
I have a few questions:
1. It seems strange that of the four attackers none is carrying a gun or a rifle. I thought no West Bank Jewish settler would venture out of his settlement boundary unarmed. They have lived there long enough to be extra aware of ambushes.
2. Why are the Palestinians just standing there when they see a bunch of threatening Jewish thugs bearing up their way carrying bats? Are they posing there on principle, a show of ownership? This is not at all made clear in the clip.
3. How come the whole scene seems like a set up, almost directed by someone, as we watch the four walking up the hill for most of the clip? Are they anticipating the attack? Why would they be ready with a camera long before the actual violence begins?
4.”Inside one of the tents belonging to the Palestinians living near Susia, we watched the footage of the aftermath of the attack – the victims slumped by the roadside, bloodied, waiting for an ambulance.”
Where is this footage? Why hasn’t it been posted as well?
5.”The bright, wide eyes of the children shone with the light of the small television screen.”
“…her voice a tired, cracked
whisper.”
Is this a news report, or a fictional story, embelished for affect?
With the Al-Durra fiasco exposed, the staged daylight candlelit vigil kept by Hamas to illustrate Israel’s cruelty in withholding power from Gaza, and other well-documented hoaxes (like the funeral procession after the ‘Jenin massacre’ when the supposedly dead person jumps off the stretcher), I tend to take these serendipitously recorded-on-camera incidents with a fistful of salt. There are too many holes in this
story, filled by the dramatic descriptions of the narrator. I don’t need this kind of mediator to explain to me that how bad Israelis are. There might well have been some kind of attack but I’d like to know the whole story, not watch merely the part that the BBC deems it right that we should.
There certainly are incidents of settlers brutalizing peaceful Palestinians, which ought to be prevented and the perpetrators severely punished.
A couple of quick comments. 1).a baseball bat is a formidable weapon. A women is shown with scrapes aand swelling on the side of her face,yet a blow with a bat would cause a serious fracture with severe pain and an open wound.2) “Settlers” are usually religious, yet there is are no tzittzit visible, eventho one “assailant” is naked to the waist.
“So a state is only accepted if it has ‘agreed delineated sovereign borders’? Interesting.” (Korova)
“The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. …Palestine has never existed…as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.”
– Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist, editor and CEO of WorldNetDaily
An uncorroborated story by no-one other than the apparent victims … hmmmm … is that really professional journalism?
Some people get hit with baseball bats … hmmm … is that really headline news (it happens pretty much every night in most city centres)?
A highly emotive & florid re-telling of the post-event … hmmm … sounds to all intents like a commentory on a stage managed production than dispassionate reporting of events.
[Oh and incidentally, at the risk of feeding a troll, there has never been a nation called Palestine]
Hhmmmm, if a British nationalist group gave out video cameras to whites living in ethnic areas of London and asked them to film any assaults on them by foreign born “youths”, would Al-BBC rush to show any resulting videos to the world ? Just when you think the anti-semites at Al-Beeb can’t sink any lower they prove us wrong.
Al-BBC – spreading the jihad one “news report” at a time.
“So a state is only accepted if it has ‘agreed delineated sovereign borders’? Interesting.”
Yes, Korova. Name me one ACCEPTED sovereign state that doesn’t fit that criteria.
1. The woman is hit on the wrong side of the face (right in the video, left in the photographic evidence)!
2. The person seems to be falling away from the bat prior to the swing.
3. The follow-through of the bat is predictable. There doesn’t seem to be any deviation from the point at which the person is supposedly hit – it looks like a fresh air swing.
There are numerous other suspicious elements to this film. The angle of the camera (fore-shortening the distance between alleged assailant and alleged victim); the reservoir dogs stroll coming over the hill; the way the camera goes from relatively steady to very shaky, yet despite this attempt at amateurism the cameraperson has been able to zoom in for the swing; the blow isn’t actually caught on camera.
I’m a little surprised that B’Tselem played the part of useful idiots in this case, but the BBC really pumped up the Blood Libel charges with this line:
The daily confrontation is not often caught on camera. That, now, is beginning to change.
In other words, we don’t know the half of what atrocities the Jews are committing against the heroic Palestinians, but these cameras will help redress that historic injustice.
Meanwhile, more demonization of Israel. The BBC is stepping up the ante.
I wonder if the BBC will be on the lookout for any footage of “confrontation” coming the other way.
I think David’s politics on the wider issue are absolute cack.
But I certainly agree that half arsed soft focus (“the bright, wide eyes of the children shone with the light of the small television screen”) bobbins has absolutely zero place in a news report and has clearly been inserted by someone with a personal axe to grind. And I agree that it’s illuminating that similar reports on attacks on Israelis are conspicuous by their absence.
For the benefit of korova:
‘There is no such country as Palestine. “Palestine” is a term the Zionists invented. […]Our country was for centuries part of Syria. “Palestine” is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.’
Auni Bey Abdul-Had, Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937
‘There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.’
Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946
‘It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria’.
Ahmed Shukairy, United Nations Security Council, 1956
‘The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.’
Zahir Muhsein, PLO March 31, 1977
‘Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.’
King Hussein 1982
‘Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian? We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians – they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag. When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out’.
Walid Shoebat, former PLO terrorist.
lokked very fishy to me. the daughter claims she filmed some of it an then ran away. wouldn’t you go to help rather than (a) film it and (b) leave your old mum to get hit with sticks by 4 men ?
on another note I am looking forward to the day when shami and liberty give out free camcorders in the gaza strip to fatah supporters persecuted and killed by hamas. I am very sure that footage would be prominently featured on al beeb.
Just noticed this on the main Middle East page, the link above the caption is in bold:
Israeli air strike targets Hamas
A powerful blast destroys a Hamas commander’s house in northern Gaza, killing seven people including a baby girl
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/default.stm
This is outrageous. Though the link takes you to a story that includes the destruction of the house, this is an obvious and blatant lie that Israel was responsible for the blast, and that is the impression that will be left with people who do not click on the link.
Unfortunately, I still don’t know how to do screen captures.
Bryan:
Press the “Print Screen” button on your keyboard – usually on the top row just right of centre.
This copies the screen contents to your windows clipboard.
Then open up the “Paint” program. This is usually somewhere like “Start” -> All Programs -> Accessories.
In this program choose menu option “edit” then “paste”. Move the image around and res-ize it then file > save as and give it a name.
Bryan – that is indeed outrageous.
Even if this was not staged it simply isn’t headline news. People all over the world sadly get badly beaten by groups of idiots every day. If it’s the police doing it in a Western democracy then it’s sometimes news, but what exactly is unique about this?
In any case, how does one square this with the Beeb’s caution when it comes to reporting similar stories where it’s concerned they might inflame tensions? Remember the attack on Anglican priest Michael Ainsworth? It was a ‘hate crime’ according to the police, but the BBC scrupulously avoided speculating as to the religion of the attackers – a position defended by Alex, Colin/Hillhunt on the basis that do so would be irresponsible.
Jack Hughes | 13.06.08 – 9:01 am,
Thanks but unfortunately I ain’t got no printer so when I try to click on “Print Page” the computer points that fact out to me, folds its arms and refuses to take any further steps in connection with printing.
Cockney | 13.06.08 – 9:06 am,
I have directed a number of complaints on that ME page of theirs to a number of dead ends at the BBC.
This latest Pallywood is hilarious. The four “attackers” look like Arabs to me from the way they are wearing their headgear. I suppose they found someone who’d been smacked around a bit by her husband and said:
“Look Fatima, we have a job for you. There’s no money in it, but it’s all for the cause, you understand. You agree? Yes of course you do, come along now, there’s a good woman.”
Once they had the cameras, naturally the thing to do was to manufacture an incident rather than wait months or years for the “settlers” to do something. And who better to give the footage to but the BBC?
We look forward to prompt and prominent reporting of the following by the BBC:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080613/wl_mideast_afp/mideastgazaconflicthamas;_ylt=AijENDCoDwR1AFaeXbYU2kmBzdAF
Hamas indicates Israel not to blame for deadly Gaza blast
“Members of the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades were trying to prepare for a Jihad operation,” the Islamist movement’s armed wing said in a statement.
It said six members of the brigades were killed in the blast in Beit Lahya. A local leader of the Hamas armed wing died of his wounds on Friday, one day after his four-month-old baby died in the explosion, a doctor at Shiffa hospital in Gaza City said.
But we see that there has been no change to the BBC’s Middle East propaganda page.
Bryan,
That is truly shocking misreporting by the BBC.
I am attempting to make a formal complaint about it.
More dubious output from the BBC. I think it’s almost certainly a set-up.
Any reason why the footage started to wobble all over the place only when the ‘attack’ began? Did the photographer get worked over as well? He seems out of striking range from the attackers.
The camerawork seems inconsistent with a lot of footage I’ve seen of cameramen getting beaten up: a miscreat walks up close, a thump, followed by some footage of the ground.
Bryan thanks for that link.
I understand Hamas’ “armed operation” is newspeak for “terrorist atrocity”.
The BBC really are a bunch of deceitful shitehawks, deliberately buying into staged nonsense and deliberately sanitizing the actions of scum like Hamas. People are not stupid and can see right through crap like this.
I’m having my lunch and I’ve just looked at the video footage: it really is a Pallywood piece, isn’t it? The BBC needs taken to the cleaners over this heap of lies and propaganda, for which the BBC is a distribution agent.
BaggieJonathan | 13.06.08 – 11:07 am,
I had another look at the site twenty minutes ago. To their credit it’s been completely changed:
Hamas set off massive Gaza blast
Hamas admits a massive explosion in Gaza on Thursday was caused by militants preparing for an armed operation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/default.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7452540.stm
While I’m in the mood I’m going to write more letters, this time complimenting them on a swift correction.
But of course I am a little troubled by the fact that the previous page has now gone down the memory hole and the damage-control will only be partially effective.
Bryan,
Too late I had already written.
I think even many BBC apologists must have been truly shocked at the original.
I will send a second reiterating how appalling and unacceptable the original was but that the amendment was at least timely and dramatic (as it needed to be).
Why was a 4 month old baby ANYWHERE near the explosives these terrorists were working with?
Mailman
What further concerns me was the reaction of Hamas to their own f8ck up.
They stuff up, so they rocket Israel in retaliation for their stuff up!
How wrong is that?
Mailman
Interestingly, the BBC reports that it ‘appears to be showing Jewish settlers beating up Palestinians’. Hardly seems like revelling when they are themselves casting doubt on the story.
Korova
If there is so much doubt why call them “Jewish” or even “settlers” in the headline. If you read the story there is no doubt by Mr Franks just speculation which he develops into a full scale theory without a shred of evidence of daily attacks by settlers on Arabs something which the BBC studiously avoided when it was “apparently” [Muslim][Asian] youth beating up a Chritian priest in London.
Now that’s bias!
BaggieJonathan | 13.06.08 – 11:55 am,
I have also sent them a few letters complimenting them on their (eventual) straight reporting of the incident but pointing out that the initial misrepresentation was serious enough to warrant a prominent correction on the site and also pointing out that their entire Middle East section has been infiltrated by those prepared to do anything to further the Palestinian cause and that they are currently enthusiastically promoting a Pallywood video.
Mailman | 13.06.08 – 12:14 pm,
It’s a knee-jerk reaction for them to try to kill Jews. And regarding the baby, Hamas doesn’t differentiate between its own terrorists and non-combatants or between young and old. I guess it’s all part of the “resistance” to them.
then why have it as a story in the first place if it can’t be substantiated? i’m perfectly willing to believe it might have occured on the basis that anyone nuts enough to choose that lifestyle presumably has some pretty stong beliefs on the matter – i’d i’d be wanting a journalist to substantiate it properly before selling it to me as news (with ‘touching’ flourishes).
then why have it as a story in the first place if it can’t be substantiated?
Cockney | 13.06.08 – 1:03 pm
Well, precisely, but that’s the BBC.
Trash those they don’t like first, ask questions afterwards, if at all.
Here is a report on the same story in Haaretz:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/991251.html
Compare and contrast, to note what information was removed by the BBC coverage from the report and what was added.
This is a classic example of journalistic manipulation bordering on the purely propagandistic.
korova | 13.06.08 – 12:49 pm |
Hardly seems like revelling when they are themselves casting doubt on the story.
Hardly seems like something legitimate, then. If they’re unsure of as to the species of the attackers, why report it? This is certainly extremely inflammatory, possibly exposing Israelis and Jews to hatred and violent retaliation. So, if the BBC does have any doubts, surely something like this is best held back for further investigation. I mean, the BBC certainly doesn’t want to create a false impression of Israelis and Jews, given the worldwide tension over the region.
Unless……
When the BBC and its friends have finally destroyed Israel, and the Jews are scattered (as they were in ’45)…
Where does the Left thing Islamo-fascism will go.
Does the Left think Islamo-fascists will go home, turn on the TV and become Guardian reading environmentalists?
Once the victory over the JEWS is achieved, surely next will be Turkey/Egypt/Europe.
Like Chamberlain giving away Poland in the hope of saving his own skin, I wonder if the Left imagines that killing Jews for Islamism will feed the crock, and save their own skins.
What will the BBC say when Islamism comes to London.. “Hey.. Look chaps, we were against the Jews too, so look. erm.. could you possibly see your way to letting us off the hook?”