Let’s think…….
Hamburg/Dresden
D-Day
Nagasaki/Hiroshima
Vietnam
Afghanistan
Iraq
Guess we’d know what ‘you’d’ do.
The same as the Israelis when it comes to defeating terror and a merciless and ruthless enemy which seeks to eliminate you……’never again’ is the Israeli response…and who can blame them.
I think this comparison is actually unfair to Israel. Unlike the Syrian government for instance, the Israelis try to avoid area (or ‘carpet’) bombing. It would be enlightening if the BBC maintained a daily death toll of the world’s trouble spots and disease spots. The BBC has gone very quiet on CAR, don’t telll me that following expulsion of the jihadists the killing has reduced!
Yes…it is not a fair comparison with Israel because the actions taken were far worse than any Israel has itself taken…which is the point…Israel isn’t that bad in comparison…and as you say they do a great deal to avoid civilian casualties. And the BBC long ignored the Congo where anything between 2.5 and 5 million died due to the war…and just how much emphasis do they gove to events in Pakistan where 3000 civilians were killed in 2013 by terrorists…ie fellow Muslims.
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/database/casualties.htm
A Million people also died in the Iran_Iraq war. A conflict that the BBC seems to have conveniently forgotten, even though it was a precursor to many of the present day conflicts.
The general rule is to show only muslim victims, those that are savagely murdered by Jihadists are of less significance but very worrying is that attempts to draw attention to muslim savagery invite accusations of racism
Lets put this into context shall we:
In Pakistan, the army is currently on operation ‘Zarb-e-Azb’ which is to wipe out the Taliban in the North West Frontier. This was instigated by the attack on Karachi airport, which killed 26 people on the 8th of June 2014.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Zarb-e-Azb
http://www.geo.tv/trending-195-Zarb-e-Azb
Over 600 people have been killed, and just under 1 million displaced it is still ongoing. Only Yesterday airstrikes by the Pak Airforce using dumb bombs (think 2000Lbs) destroyed a number of hideouts.
In Syria the ongoing civilwar has seen over 170,000 people killed. only last week ISIS took control of Oil fields to the East of Homs and murdered in cold blood over 250 people.
In Iraq, the bloodshed grows, as it does in Nigeria (100 people murdered over the weekend) as it does in Yemen (250 killed last week in one town) as it does in Somalia, as it does in: Libya, Tunisia,Egypt, Philippines (17 killed today)
Now lets be honest, the Sunni Islam mindset which is responsible for virtually all of the above murder,death,kill is also the same one found inside Gaza.
You know that mindset which murdered so many of their brothers (fatah) in 2007, the same mindset which murdered 3 men last year and dragged their bodies around on a motorbike. and the same mindset which demanded the kidnapped and murder of 3 boys the other month.
If anything the Jews have been very restrained and yet to the left, it is they who are intolerant and not ISIS, Not the Muslim Brotherhood , Not AL Q and certainly not…HAMAS.
Fucking disgraceful and the sooner the West wake up to this, the sooner we stop these Islamic bastards from doing likewise over here. Oh hang on…London 2005, Rape Gangs, Sharia law, false allegations of Islamophobia, bans on eating in front of Muslims,
Here are a few things the bBC don’t tell you:
De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da”
Don’t think me unkind
Words are hard to find, the funeral of innocents does not decline·
Children for Gaza to the Ukraine are dying.
Murdered by their mothers and fathers. Sacrificed on a altar of hatred.
aided by liberal guilt.
The only cheques I’ve left unsigned are the absurdity of white liberal guilt.
From the banks of chaos in my mind I find that Israel is in the right to defend its people from genocide.
And when the jihad’s eloquence escapes me
Their logic ties me up and rapes me
De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
But the innocence of the children will pull me through
De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
They’re meaningless and all that’s true
Jihadist, Islamist and liberals
Have words to thank for their positions
Words that scream for your submission
And no one’s jamming their transmission
‘Cos when their eloquence escapes you
Their logic ties you up and rapes you
De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
The innocent will pull me through
De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
They’re meaningless and all that’s true
(De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
Their innocence will pull me through
De do do do, de da da da
Is all I want to say to you
De do do do, de da da da
They’re meaningless and all that’s true)
its true,we have no right in dictating to israel and the idf how they carry out there anti terrorist operations in destroying the hamas terrorists and there al qaeda allies when from dresden to the vietnam war we killed many civilians in the name of defending liberty and defeating fascism and communism.i commend the idf for the restraint they are showing in this war with the hamas fascists and terrorists,there is no high moral ground in war and we and america have no right in telling israel how to behave in a war that was imposed on them from a enemy who have no concept and respect for human life.
The irony here is, that last night, the bBC aired a program on the Lancaster Bomber, how it was a wonderful bomber, how it won the war and how beautiful it is to see.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04bwhk8/the-lancaster-britains-flying-past
The plane which I have seen flying a large number of times (the last the other week at Waddington Airshow) was born out of a remit to wage total war. (During the 30s the mindset was, we could bomb a country to capitulate) Don’t get me wrong, I think the Lanc is a beautiful thing and a wonder to hear flying overhead. Yet it is (was) an instrument of war which killed rightly or wrongly thousands of people. The difference between the East and West when it comes to war is our capacity to wage total war by industrialising it. We are bloody good when it comes to killing the other fellow.
And yet the bBC which waxes lyrical over the Lanc, bemoans the jew for fighting back agaisnt those who wish to wipe them out. Lets be honest here if it was the otherway round, do you think the death toll would be 500, you only have to look to Syria in which to find the answer.
Lets be honest here if it was the otherway round, do you think the death toll would be 500, you only have to look to Syria in which to find the answer.
Or Iraq. We have not just taken the lives of tens of thousands of people, men, women and children, but destroyed the nation – all of ot. Now Iraq is a complete mess, wracked by fatricidal war, and no future but a bleak one.
Still. Lets get on with the main job – chastise the Jews.
Oh Pounce. You cant blame the US/UK for indiscriminate bombing of Iraq. They just did not have the precision guided munitions that the filthy Jews stole from the Arabs.
Very good point, about turning the situation around, and asking would the consequential numbers of deaths be even remotely similar.
Also, the current BBC meme seams to be about giving the number of Palestinains killed so far, according to reports out of Hamas, with only a qualification to highlight women and children out of that number; as opposed to the numbers of Israelis killed, where the only highlighted element being given is the number of IDF members. Talk about one-sided reporting ?
I did make a suggestion on another thread, at another time, that the BBC, in order to even things out, might propose to the UN that Israel be allowed to fire its missiles, etc, at Gaza, but before they hit their targets, they should have to switch off the guidance systems, thereby emulating almost exactly the accuracy of the Hamas missiles.
I wonder what that would do to the relative numbers of casualties ? BBC and its drive for ‘equivalences’, eh ?, what would you do with them ?
Very good point, about turning the situation around, and asking would the consequential numbers of deaths be even remotely similar.
Also, the current BBC meme seams to be about giving the number of Palestinains killed so far, according to reports out of Hamas, with only a qualification to highlight women and children out of that number; as opposed to the numbers of Israelis killed, where the only highlighted element being given is the number of IDF members. Talk about one-sided reporting ?
I did make a suggestion on another thread, at another time, that the BBC, in order to even things out, might propose to the UN that Israel be allowed to fire its missiles, etc, at Gaza, but before they hit their targets, they should have to switch off the guidance systems, thereby emulating almost exactly the accuracy of the Hamas missiles.
I wonder what that would do to the relative numbers of casualties ? BBC and its drive for ‘equivalences’, eh ?, what would you do with them ?
Sorry about that replication…. I have no idea what happened.
Well, replication is necessary sometimes when trying to batter your points and some truth into the minds of the likes of Scott et al……
You are so right Alan, implying by this thread our national gratitude for our peaceful existence here on these islands, brought about more by luck though than the appeasing or radicalizing Governance of recent decades.
How much longer is it going to last?
I would suggest not long now.
In my mind I see these last few decades of socialist, progressive, left forces within, without an electoral mandate, abusing us, the charitable, tolerant common-sense majority, leaving us now on the cusp of rapid decline through EU Federalism or the Muslim appeasement within this country.
Both these issues are leading us to national oblivion, whether it be exampled by EU/Ukraine/Russia trauma or the worldwide Muslim ambitions, as equally reflected in many areas within our country.
Unfortunately if there is not an urgent awakening within our borders, and a determined balanced redress within the foreseeable future, then this proud Nations culture with be terminated within a generation.
The only thing that will wake the UK up, is if Peaceful Muslims carry out a terrorist attack on a city (like they did in India) and murder hundreds of people. Hopefully it will result in the whole of Parliament beheaded live on Tv and then the backlash will start. Of course the bBC will play the Islam is a relgion of peace, yet the fact remains the Uk will cease to be a home for Muslims. Shame I have an Islamic name and dark skin but its the price to pay in which to Rid the UK of the gay death cult.
“The only thing that will wake the UK up, is if Peaceful Muslims carry out a terrorist attack on a city (like they did in India)”
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I am presuming (if dreading) your qualifier of hundreds is the tipping point, as I’m pretty sure the other criteria have already been met. But true, despite the immediate ‘community in fear’ fallback, even as tube trains and busses became the tombs of innocent victims of jihad, they numbered only in the scores and have seemed easily consigned to uneasy history as remarkable tolerance prevailed.
as long as people can still watch X-Factor or read gossip columns they won’t care if a city is blown up. Most people have the attention span of a goldfish these days and get all involved in a massive story (like the Ukraine plane) but by next week they will have forgotten it was even shot down
Good question.
“What would you do?”
Well we know what the BBC does…it invites onto Newsnight a serial critic of Israel-one Avi Shlaim-to shaft his own country.
A typical Oxbridge liberal who despises his own country, despite his own experiences and all thos years when he might have learned some objective history about how Israel came into being…and the imperative for we in the free “Dar Al-Harb” to back them up.
Still-he gave us one nugget…Shlaim regards the conflict there as a “political struggle”….being a binary oaf, he won`t see it as a religious one, let alone an existential one.
But I know now it`s religious…and no Bible=no possible comment….hence the liberal squealings of the left!
It`s as if he thinks Hamas Charter is negotiable…the fool doesn`t have to live with the consequences of being wrong.
Whay would YOU do…ignore the quislings like Shlaim, Wark and Newsnight-and get online and get an education in “Islamic History, when it sniffs fear”.
Israel is never going to a fair shake with the mainstream progressive media, it’s not just the BBC (but they are egregious in their bias). Compared to Syria and other recent bloodbaths where muslims just want to have fun, the deaths of a few hundred belligerents (plus collateral) should (in a sane world) barely register.
So with that said, you may as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb, and my advice to Israel would be to go on and prosecute the operation properly, ie until everyone in Hamas is dead.
This is a bit off topic, but I’d like to point out that the famous photo of the little Vietnamese girl running along after she was burned by napalm was erroneously (or deliberately?) blamed on the US. The napalm was fired by Vietnamese soldiers. The photographer got the picture of the children running TOWARD them because they were running toward the safety of the US position. The photographer was imbedded with the US Army. The photographer never clarified that point, and it was assumed that because the US had some napalm in Vietnam that we were the culprits.
I wonder who has killed more people in the last two weeks – IDF or Boko Haram? Interesting the BH only got publicity when they kidnapped (Christian) girls for marriage to Muslim men (never mentioned), not when they massacre villages of civilians (Christians).
Ramadan Death Count Round Up (July 21, 2014)
Ramadan death toll is now at 5,124.
Tell Turtle Power, he may have missed it
To be censored by INBBC?:
“UK: Muslim teachers in Islamized public school claimed London and Boston jihad murders were hoaxes”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/uk-muslim-teachers-in-islamized-public-school-claimed-london-and-boston-jihad-murders-were-hoaxes
Well yes. What would you do Alan? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10984259/Revealed-the-Palestinian-children-killed-by-Israeli-forces.html
t is scott under a different alias.