Farage Barrage

 

 

To the BBC the BNP are racist, violent thugs, but Scottish Nationalists are romantic rebels fighting for a free Scotland.

 

Nigel Farage doesn’t agree and he’s not impressed with the BBC either:

Nigel Farage condemns ‘fascist scum’ who forced him to take refuge in Edinburgh pub

The Ukip leader Nigel Farage has condemned the “fascist scum” who forced him to take refuge in an Edinburgh pub and hung up on a BBC Scotland interview over outrage at the “hatred” in its questioning.

 

 

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160 Responses to Farage Barrage

  1. George R says:

    Farage is one victim of political repression with whom BBC-NUJ has no political empathy.

       74 likes

    • Deborah says:

      I have had the feeling that the BBC have tried to gently promote UKIP…but only to take votes away from the Conservatives.

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  2. Albaman says:

    What evidence do you have that those protesting were Scottish Nationalists or bearing in mind the large proportion of students in Edinburgh that they were even Scottish?

    To compare the SNP to the BNP is a nonsensical cheap shot as a comparison of their respective manifesto’s would show.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      I don’t think Alan is saying the protestors were Scottish Nationalists. He’s comparing the treatment by the BBC of Scottish and British nationalists. Frankly, I’d prefer he’d kept the BNP out of this.

      As for those protesting, I don’t think there’s much doubt they consider themselves Scottish nationalists, with a small ‘n’.
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      • Albaman says:

        As Alan earlier accused me of not reading his post and associated links before commenting I ensured that in this case he could have no comeback.
        The article he cites, contains this quote from Farage; “He linked their views to the Scottish National Party led by Alex Salmond, the First Minister, and challenged him to “condemn this sort of behaviour”.

        That neither Farage, nor Alan, understand that the SNP is only one part of a very broad campaign for independence says much about their knowledge of Scottish politics. It does perhaps explain why UKIP’s total representation in Scotland is one local councilor and that their Leader visits Edinburgh to launch a by-election campaign taking place about 120 miles further North in Aberdeen.

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        • Roland Deschain says:

          I did mention on the old open thread that I felt Farage was foolish to equate all nationalists with that mob. His trouble, and it will be his undoing, is that he doesn’t do detail.

          It’s a bit unfair to criticise him for starting the campaign in Edinburgh. He probably thought he could get some news coverage by stopping off in Edinburgh. Well, he did, but not in the way he planned!

          I don’t think either party in that interview came out well. Farage, as stated above, and the BBC interviewer who appeared to implicitly condone such thuggish behaviour simply on the grounds of having no elected representatives or refusing to make trite comments about how wonderful he thought Scotland was.

             18 likes

          • Tyler says:

            ‘the BBC interviewer who appeared to implicitly condone such thuggish behaviour simply on the grounds of having no elected representatives’

            You can’t be serious. Where did he do that?!?!

               10 likes

            • Roland Deschain says:

              “And remind me how many representatives you have in Scotland?”

              As part of an interview discussing his treatment.

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              • Albaman says:

                He should have just said “less than the number of pandas in Scotland”.

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                • stewart says:

                  Are those the pandas Salmon secured by agreeing not to criticise Chinese human rights violations?

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                  • Albaman says:

                    “A historic agreement was signed today (10 January 2011) which will bring two giant pandas to Edinburgh Zoo, the first giant pandas to reside in the UK for 17 years. Witnessed by Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, and Vice Premier of China, Li Keqiang, the agreement was signed at Lancaster House in London by Donald Emslie, chairman of the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland (RZSS), which owns Edinburgh Zoo, and the Chinese Wildlife Conservation Association (CWCA)”
                    “Unionists claim custody of the giant pandas could be in question because the pair – also known as Tian Tian and Yang Guang – were a gift from China to the UK government.”

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            • Chilli says:

              “Where did he do that?”

              When the beeboid said the following:

              “what the overwhelming message of yesterday’s event in Edinburgh seemed to be was that your political philosophy is an alien political philiosophy here in Scotland”

                 18 likes

        • stewart says:

          I’ve noticed your a bit touchy about the
          Socialist Nationalist (and scottish workers) Party.
          Bit of a theological quandary for you?

             34 likes

          • Albaman says:

            Theological quandary – in what way? “Socialist Nationalist (and scottish workers) Party.” – not sure if such a party even exists.

               8 likes

            • stewart says:

              Oh it exists all-right as you well know.
              The quandary for you cultural relativists is how to support the left wing,anti English,SNP without appearing to legitimise nationalism
              Most especially the working class concept of same.

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              • Albaman says:

                Stewart, please provide evidence that ““Socialist Nationalist (and scottish workers) Party” ever appeared an a ballot paper.
                The SNP is clearly a left of centre party however which parts of its manifesto are “anti English”?
                If by “appearing to legitimise nationalism” you are contrasting the independence movement with “national socialism” then like Farage you are way off the mark. If this was not your intention them perhaps you can explain what you really mean.

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                • stewart says:

                  You know exactly what I mean
                  “Socialist Nationalist (and scottish workers) Party” is the,anti-english,SNP
                  judged by their rhetoric

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              • Dazed & Confused says:

                The Socialist Workers Party don’t stand for elections because they don’t believe in democracy……However, they get around this tricky little conundrum from time to time, by starting up off shoots such as “Respect”.

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                • Albaman says:

                  The nonsense moves to the ridiculous. You must surely be aware that George Galloway is very pro union and very anti SNP but in biased BBC world the SNP, The Socialist Workers Party and Respect are one and the same.

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                • stewart says:

                  The reason the Student Wankers Party (not to be confused with the Socialist Nationalist{and scottish workers} Party) don’t believe in democracy is because they no they will never get elected anywhere anytime
                  TUSK is the latest of many manifestations of the SWP. And are doing as abysmally in elections as all previous attempts
                  The only time the SWP achieve any electoral success is when they align themselves with radical islam i.e. ‘respect’ only that tail is now wagging the dog.

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  3. George R says:

    “Nigel Farage attacks ‘fascist scum’ protesters.
    Ukip leader calls on Scottish first minister Alex Salmond to condemn demonstrators who forced him to flee media briefing.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/17/nigel-farage-fascist-scum-protesters

       24 likes

  4. Mark II says:

    Of course Welsh nationalists and Scottish naitionalists are good, on the other hand British nationalists are fascists.
    I am reminded of the National Black Police Association – can you imagine the uproar at the BBC if there were a white equivalent?

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    • George R says:

      E.g

      “The Metropolitan Black Police Association (MetBPA)”

      ‘About Us':-

      http://www.metbpa.com/About_us

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      • ROBERT BROWN says:

        There should really be no bar to forming a white police assc, or lawyers assc, so why don’t they? Years ago, a chap i knew wrote three letters to the CRE, each complaining of workplace abuse and racism. One purporting to come from a black african, one from a muslim, and one from a white briton, claiming racism from his 90% black/asian fellow workers. Guess what? The ‘african’ and ‘muslim’ complaints were followed up quickly, the ‘briton’s’ was, probably side-lined, no reply. Surprised? No. When they discovered they’d been duped, not happy, but point made. Shut the bloody CRE down.

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    • Ian Hills says:

      Or an ethic English one.

         9 likes

  5. Peter Thomas says:

    I noted that the BBC News at lunchtime played a recording of Nigel Farage refusing to be interviewed further but didn’t play what had been said previously giving him, in his view, cause to terminate the interview. Thus, in my view, the BBC gave a deliberate one-sided view of the event. It appears to me that they are often guilty of distorting an event in favour of one party by deliberately omitting relevant information so that the viewer or listener cannot get a balanced view of events.

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    • Guest Who says:

      ‘…played a recording of Nigel Farage refusing to be interviewed further but didn’t play what had been said previously giving him, in his view, cause to terminate the interview.’
      If that is the case, a clearer example of the malign power accorded those who control the edit suite would be hard to imagine.
      The precedent to sensible news context is devastating, which the BBC well knows, and depends on its internal accountability systems to circumvent.
      One presumes that, if challenged, they’d take several months to whimper that if anyone was interested the provocation was available elsewhere but there was no space or time for the whole truth. Again.

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      • chrisH says:

        And PM tonight was strange too.
        They played a repeat of him putting the phone down as if he had done this in two separate incidents…it just made no sense, and gave me no idea of what had happened.
        All I learned is that the BBC don`t even bother to professionally work out two soundbites to trash the same bloke. Just repeat the clip, with no purpose at all.
        Fascist amateurs…phone it in and pretend it`s from Salford I expect…started the rent boys drugs hootenanny early this Friday eh Beeb?

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    • The PrangWizard says:

      The BBC has just had to issue an apology for editing an interview with someone to give the impression that the interviewee was criticising Help for Heroes when she wasn’t. The BBC organisation is morally corrupt. It will not change. Change must be imposed. It must be broken up and scattered to the four winds.

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  6. George R says:

    “Protestors who abused Farage in Edinburgh are a ‘disgrace'”

    Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/53100/nigel-farage-protestors-scum-disgrace-edinburgh-ukip#ixzz2TYdPOE00

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    • Albaman says:

      What relationship do the myriad of links you post have to do with BBC and bias?
      To clarify: Farage was subjected to some heckling after being asked to leave a pub, where uninvited he decided to hold a “press conference”, because he was disrupting business. He suffered no physical harm and the “incident” was reported by the BBC.

      How this can then be conflated to all Scots being “racist” and the independence movement being “unpleasant and facist” is beyond belief.

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      • Leha says:

        the bBC news @1 painted the whole of Scotland as having the same opinions as the clowns protesting in Edinburgh, go check it out

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        • Albaman says:

          Does that not invalidate Alan’s opening statement that “To the BBC the BNP are racist, violent thugs, but Scottish Nationalists are romantic rebels fighting for a free Scotland”; or are the “romantic rebels” really “facist scum” in disguise?

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          • stewart says:

            No the BBC applaud this behaviour simply because its aimed at UKIP
            in the same way they obfuscate the UAF links to organised crime and republican terrorism,because they oppose the BNP
            The BBC cannot openly oppose democratic organisations that they have decided are without grace and so encourage, support and collude with proxys to do it for them
            Like rutter the nutter on question time and the hordes of left wing comedians who’s careers they underwrite.

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          • Old Timer says:

            Probably

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          • johnnythefish says:

            The BBC are quick to condemn violent, fascistic behaviour from the Right, but not from the Left, even though that from the Left is far more violent and far more fascistic. The UAF are seen by the BBC as some kind of vanguard against racism, when in fact they violently oppose free speech and freedom to protest peacefully.

            I’m sure Newsnight’s new Guardian editor will sort out the bias, aided and abetted by ‘Photoshop’ Purnell, of course.

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      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

        Albaman old fruit, I wasn’t aware the folk on here had to justify their posts, links, whether relevent to your standards or not?
        When Anyone wants your permission they’ll ask ok?
        Until then go away in short jerky movements.

        What was that call? Lefty scum go home , we dont want you here
        .
        Nah…cant think it was that bad.

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  7. London Calling says:

    Albaman says: May 17, 2013
    at 1:54 pm
    at 2:32 pm
    at 2:52 pm
    at 3:03 pm
    at 3:17 pm
    at 3:45 pm
    at 3:49 pm
    at 3:52 pm
    ?

    Do you not have a day job, Albaman, or in this your day job?

       41 likes

    • Albaman says:

      Yes, I have a job and no this is not my day job.
      Today is a day off work and using my freedom of choice I decided to spend it indoors rather than taking advantage of the current spell of miserable weather to do something else.

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      • Guest Who says:

        ‘Today is a day off work’
        They do say that if you love your ‘job’, every day is a holiday.
        ‘the current spell of miserable weather ‘
        And, clearly, it does love company.
        ‘using my freedom of choice’
        Were it that this extended to funding, say, ‘news’ that presumes told to tell one how to think [(c) LSE/Today]. Sadly, choice in this remains compulsory, in perpetuity, uniquely.

           16 likes

      • TPO says:

        Don’t get out much do you.

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        • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

          He denies it, but the bbc employs him and people like him to discredit blogs like this.

             25 likes

          • David Preiser (USA) says:

            How does Albaman discredit this blog, exactly?

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            • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

              I don’t think he does, but that is the objective.
              What do you think his purpose is then?

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              • David Preiser (USA) says:

                He’s here to fight with Right-wingers and others who have different policy views. Defense of the BBC is a by-product, not the primary goal.

                But I still don’t understand how you think he could discredit the blog.

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                • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

                  David, I didn’t say he discredits this blog. I said that’s the purpose he’s employed for.
                  I know you don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the bbc would organise, employ, arrange, an opposition to its 4 billion pound protection racket.
                  However, I remain convinced that they would be mad not to defend it.
                  Do I have evidence? Nope.
                  Do you ?
                  Good luck in your debates with Albaman.

                  Long may they continue

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                  • David Preiser (USA) says:

                    Dysgwr, if he were paid, how would Albaman discredit this blog? You still haven’t explained it.

                    Defending the BBC isn’t the same as discrediting the blog. Attempts to discredit the blog would come in the form of, for example, Nicked emus admitting to collecting a few outrageous comments, then contacting the BBC and telling them that David Vance runs a hate site and shouldn’t be allowed on air, or someone like Dez or Scott (two others who were here to fight against conservatives, not specificall to defend the BBC) bookmarking and saving the most outrageous comments as a way of proving guilt by association. We’ve also seen Moby attempts in the past (including one who clearly didn’t understand how it worked). That’s how you discredit a blog, not by arguing politics, or occasionally finding a BBC news brief on some issue someone here said they didn’t cover, which is what Albaman or the two colditzes generally do.

                    I don’t have evidence that the BBC isn’t paying Albaman or anyone else to come here and do anything, but there’s plenty of evidence that Beeboids used to come here and engage on their own. Of their own free will, with an eye to defending the BBC.

                    Read the following and ask yourself whether or not the BBC would see any point to doing what you suspect. And then ask yourself why what you’ve read no longer occurs.

                    Nick Reynolds At Work

                    Biased BBC blog in the BBC’s Ariel newspaper

                    My ‘biased’ view of the Biased BBC blog

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                    • Guest Who says:

                      Hard to imagine how an entity such as a free, independent blog could get discredited (as you say, ‘reported’ by weasels to the ‘guilty as one says so’ ‘ism industry is a different thing too), unless those who own/control it do something rather spectacular on the editorial or modding front.
                      Which is why the attempts by the Flokk to conflate what one person writes with a ‘you lot’ is as hilariously daft as it is clumsily obvious.
                      Especially when they seem, as defenders of the BBC, to not apply such standards or projections to a paid media monopoly. One with a less than stellar record in this regard, with major abuses unveiled near daily.
                      This site exists to highlight and discuss these, and hold those responsible up to the microscope and, to a degree, account.
                      Yes they are unaccountable, and yes they are hence immune, but when that light gets shined they don’t like it, and scuttle. Or.. some, for some reason, see merit in distraction by attrition or to poison the well by stirring things up and making it a ‘hot zone’. How often have we seen a new name suddenly appear to make an outrageous statement? The mods can’t win as they either get accused of supporting an ‘ism by leaving it up, or being draconian by removal. With the added advantage that, as no one knows who is really who, a person seeking to close down a discussion can easily inject something extreme to then complain about it and start throwing toys around, asking questions and making generic accusations or demands.
                      DC has rightly, freely admitted he has no clue who Alba’What relationship do the myriad of links you post have to do with BBC and bias?’man really is or what he does for a living. I certainly don’t. Your certainty in turn seems based more on faith than proof. Hard to prove a negative anyway.
                      But speculation is always going to be part of a forum, and I doubt that will change. Any more than the notion of ‘off-topic’ can be policed, or side-channels into politics (‘isms, etc) get avoided.
                      I simply note that some counters seem to get under the skin of those who seem to like getting under others’ skin. The biter bit. Trolling the trolls. And for me that is a nifty twist.
                      Whether BBC staff post here under their own names or aliases is surely not as important as the accuracy of what is claimed and the power of the persuasion being used. I could care less if it’s a Reynolds, Gregory, Emus, Buster, the pom-pom section from the Nuremberg Rallies, or the entire fruit & veg counter of Fortnums… if the arguments get well made.
                      They seldom are. And are too often every bit as off topic or provocative as some they claim special victim status protection from when they get served back.
                      Meanwhile the attrition continues. London Calling called Albaman out on a level of OCD posting that was frankly more akin to a Turing Machine. He was at the very least on piece rates, often with a one-liner or simply cut and pasting a URL out of the blue simply to ensure he kept things tied up everywhere.
                      And the response? He’s on break and the weather wasn’t so nice. Can’t say I have noticed much pause any other day, and when one is drawing breath the void soon gets filled by another, in sequence. And there can be clear strategy at play. The attempts to undermine Alan beyond specifics of what he wrote were blatant: his style, his topics…. his affiliations. And when tasked to defend themselves in such an approach, the default was to cry to Mummy that they were being denied their right to speak. Then push, and push, and push… until (unwisely in my view), some actually have been. At which point the poxy server gets fired up, the name generator pumps out another burner name and the cry of ‘censorship’ rings out.
                      I love a good argument (in all senses of that phrase), and revel in the interactions when, on few occasions one develops. Fact and counter-fact. URLs in support.
                      Albaman can, on occasion, make a fair point, but most of the time he’s a one person ‘why do you say that?’ human denial of service assault.
                      One way to respond is to ignore… not to feed.. but that seldom works if the intention is just to dominate and drive away. Folk will simply do that if enough land mines are laid. Job done.
                      I see responding as of value. Polite, persistent. Calm. Bit of humour (most Flokkers are voids in that regard). Especially, as the claimed interest is truth, accuracy and improving standards of editorial, to seek evidence that they are tasking the BBC… a £4Bpa media monopoly… as much as they are any here. So far I can’t recall any occasions where they have, bar a grudging admission by a few that some more egregious examples of less trusted activity by the nation’s favourite propagandist may have been a bit ‘off’. But these are never anywhere near the thread in question, and seeing which ones are Flokk-free zones is telling. Anything to do with Newsnight, or oddly-consistent market-rate hiring policies, and they are bunker-bound until one comes along to tempt a drive-by.
                      You’ve noticed too. Where are they on all the other places they could be fighting the good fight for impartial and professional media to be proud of?
                      They seem to live… here. Why?
                      I invite them to expand their horizons. There are of course few places on the BBC estate where the dead hand of the BBC ‘guidelines’ they seem to feel are on occasion unacceptable here apply, but try, say, the Newsnight Facebook page.
                      Here’s the calibre of what can be expected there right now:

                      https://www.facebook.com/bbcnewsnight

                      ‘Aniolstroz Johannes Roberto The last 3 comments are obviously ridiculous spam on behalf of the hard done to rich. Richer than ever, greedier than ever, stupider than ever, this treasonous right wing scum want us to believe the BBCs so called centre left is anything but far right; while the BBC itself becomes the major platform for greedy dishonest parties like UKIP. Well at the moment the internet is still free of this blatent bias, you even see these Neocon liars exposed for who they are.’
                      He’s even liked his own post.
                      I take it back; maybe some are there too.
                      Interesting more for what words and views the BBC will tolerate when minded to, eh?
                      ‘What was it about ‘right wing scum’ that first attracted the mods I wonder?
                      It’s almost like a meme at the moment.
                      I’ll leave the last word to Currybet…
                      ‘I’ve often wondered whether John Reith is actually one person, or whether it is a pseudonym adopted by a string of BBC staffers joining in on the site when they de-lurk
                      Now, what would such a ‘string’ represent that’s any different now, especially given the near automaton techniques often being used for signing in to posting?

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      • ROBERT BROWN says:

        Are you a public sector employee?

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        • uncle bup says:

          Is it 57% of Scotland aka West Albania’s GDP comes from the State (read the English Taxpayer) so an extremely good chance that Albania Man’s lips are fairly-well glued to the state teat.

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  8. k920 says:

    scottish far left extremist racists not welcome in england.

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  9. Dave s says:

    it is about time those on the right terminated interviews with the media, especially the BBC. It does not serve the cause of conservatism to play the liberal game. You wiil never get a fair hearing and you will always be at the mercy of those whose world view is hostile to yours. Farage did the right thing.
    As to the protestors it is yet another reason to end the Union. Such hostility is sadly very often to be found in Scotland ( I have experienced it ) purely directed at me as an Englishman and it is in the interests of both countries to end an association one side obviously finds painful. The SNP would not exist if this were not so. That again is a reality.

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    • Theo says:

      Depends how much support there is for the SNP and withdrawing from the Union, but I just can’t help wondering how much of this is Braveheart-inspired rubbish. Politicians do like to stir up and magnify grievances for their own purposes.

      The Scots and the English have been rivals for centuries, and they have each given the other a good drubbing from time to time. I certainly wouldn’t see the Scots as defeated or occupied, and if they have hard feelings about past battles they should remember they dished it out as well and let that past be past.

      What we have is a political union that has served Britain and the UK well. Together, Britain changed the world, mostly for the better going by the laws and institutions that were kept, and the formation of the Commonwealth.

      Certainly by Britains resistance to the Nazis
      (National Socialists, which might explain the BBC attitude, and why the EU would like to break up Britain).

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      • stewart says:

        ,”and they have each given the other a good drubbing from time to time.”
        Most of those ‘drubbings’,Battle of two rivers,Battle of Flodden Field ,Battle of Pinkie Cleugh ect. were in response to scottish invasion. A fact the BBC neglects to reflect

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        • Andrew says:

          The “Peel Towers” on some churches in Northumberland were a sort of mini-castle against raiders from the North.

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        • stewart says:

          Oh and how could I forget culloden.
          Dear god if you ever wanted to find a symbol of milataristic nationalism,you should visit that xenophobic shrine

             13 likes

          • Mat says:

            I know Scotland’s brave new future will be set 600 years in the past !

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    • johnnythefish says:

      Well said, Dave s. We’ve tolerated the anti-English bile of the Little Scotlanders for far too long – time to cut ‘em cut loose and see how long they are able to stand on their own two feet before they come begging for us to bail them out (again).

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  10. George R says:

    Meanwhile, number of BBC Scotland employees: 1,250, approx.

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    • Albaman says:

      And your point is?

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      • Guest Who says:

        And the point of this Hibernian OCD disgorging is?
        At this rate it’s going to be a very long ‘off’ day, and one can only pray for a long hot summer north of the border to cop a break as you scamper through the heather.
        Though, can’t help but notice that the volume of posts doesn’t seem to get reduced by much inbetween what presumes are very infrequent work commitments, except where the topics are so hard to counter that the indoor charms of the bunker do indeed beckon.

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        • Albaman says:

          Hibernian? Is that not something to do with Ireland as opposed to Scotland?

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          • Guest Who says:

            I get it, you are actually paid by the question mark.
            You are correct. I was thinking more of football given the BBC’s desire to dominate by control of stadium, pitch, goalposts and match officials.
            There, score one for you. Nothing to do with topic, but that seems to be a ship long since sailed as you rush about asking one liners and posting zero context URLs.

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          • Roland Deschain says:

            No. It’s an Edinurgh football club that isn’t going bust. :mrgreen:

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  11. stuart says:

    the law of the land is supposed to be this,if you percieve that you are a victim of racism due to your ethnic idenity or cultural background the police must investigate this as a racially aggravated, attack,this racist attack on nigel farage in scotland yesterday fits into these catergorys,are the police in scotland going to arrest and charge these racists who attacked nigel farage yesterday.or do i suspect if your english you are fair game to be attacked and racially abused with no comebacks from whoever the racist attackers are.

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  12. It's all to much says:

    I think we are missing the point, I think the issue is not the policies of the red student spongers but the editorial and organisational stance of the BBC.

    According to reports there were less than 20 fanatics attacking Farage in Edinburgh. Clearly this was a triumphant media stunt by the hard left (I wonder what “radical independence’ means?) but hardly a mass protest with hundreds of thousands on the streets. Did they represent anything other than the SWP fringe of an Edinburgh fringe and still managed to get BBC Scotland puffing up its nationalist hostility to the ‘English’

    It seems strange to me that the BBC spends a great deal of time ‘legitimising’ some street rowdies
    – Occupy / Student rioters (I was absolutely disgusted and very offended each time I went past Nelson’s column and read the charming motto “Fu*k all Tories” that was there for about three months – mind you my ‘offence’ isn’t valid as it is just bigotry really…)
    – Anti capitalist anarchists where one grungoid crimimal is completely surrounded by ‘the press’. (Just look at this picture http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/g20-summit/5099961/Teenage-girl-faces-jail-for-attacking-RBS-during-G20-protests-court-warns.html F****ng stage managed)
    – Climate protests, the BBC loves these and we all remember the ’07 Heathrow camp where the BBC provided blanket coverage, embedded reporters, gave ‘how to get here’ advice and hourly advertising of a protest where there was a maximum of about 100 students there at any one time It was virtually a BBC event.

    And yet some grass roots protests and actions are not given such benificent coverage – I’m thinking primarily of the Countryside Alliance which was a genuine and pretty near spontaneous grass roots protest which delivered 500,000 campaigners to the streets of London, a very significant percentage of the UK rural population but strangely the protest didn’t make it into the script of the Archers – they were all too busy preparing for the “Pride” march. Then there were the Fuel protests in 2001 which were a genuine mass expression of public will – pissed off with the level of taxation – where I got the distinct impression that the BBC saw the protests a just selfish bastards trying to get their own narrow minded/bigoted way.

    This event as always shows the BBC to be institutionally incapable of even handed reporting. It has now constructed a narrative from a flash mob publicity stunt by the mad left. Please imagine how they would react to a threatening gang of 20 ‘nationalists’ barracking and threatening Alex Salmond and forcing him to hide in a pub next time he is in London to collect the subsidy cheque.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Lees than 20? Why then did it need several members of the constabulary to take Mr F away in a police van? If I had behaved in such a manner that someone else could not safely get to their car, it would have been me in the police van, not the person I was intimidating.

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      • Guest Who says:

        Very good point.
        Mind you, if Mr. Farage had uttered an inopportune comment that offended the sensibilities of his hosts, one imagines there would not be a chippy floor left unbedecked with deep-fried Mars bars as the entire North of the Border plod dashed to aid their colleagues in bringing him to justice, to cries of ‘remember the McMitchells!’ (I may have ported over an Alamo/peon reference there).
        It’s all a matter of priority.

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      • It's all too much says:

        Have a look at the pictures here.

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325679/Nigel-Farage-bundled-police-van-barricaded-inside-pub-going-promote-Scottish-election-candidate.html

        As usual the mob is a bit on the small side. (q.v. my comment on the legitimisation of minority protest by the BBC) I estimate that one van load down to St Leonard’s for public order offences would have resolved the matter correctly.

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        • George R says:

          Yes, and scroll down to video of the disgraceful insults and intimidation.

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          • johnnythefish says:

            Exactly. These weren’t ‘hecklers’, as some McDefenders of the McIndefensibles would have, but violent, fascist thugs. The police felt it appropriate to give Farage protection and get him into a safe environment asap – which tells you all you need to know.

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        • The PrangWizard says:

          The police appear to be making no attempt to keep the Scottish racists at a reasonable distance. That could have been done quite easily.

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          • ROBERT BROWN says:

            To Prang Wizard; Yep, all the police had to do was throw some coins amongst the idiots, being scots, if they were, they’d claw each other to get to 50p……..heathens……

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      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

        Roland old fruit, you clearly don’t understand the way things work in this country any more.
        When the plods are presented with a confrontational situation, which may lead to violence perhaps, then common sense goes out the window.
        If it was you versus a mob of screaming islamic nutters threatening to kill you, who do you think would get arrested? Let me tell you mate, it wouldn’t be them.
        If they can arrest just one to defuse the situation, as opposed to the baying mob? Its you who gets banged up, not the mob.
        If the personality involved had been anyone other than Farage , they would probably have been arrested instead of that baying mob of racists.

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        • ROBERT BROWN says:

          Yes, Dysgwr, remember plod running from an islamic mob rampaging down a London street a few years back? Gives you confidence eh? Quite happy to crack the heads of the Countryside Alliance lot, really brave that. The Police are as cowardly and traitorous as the BBC.

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          • Guest Who says:

            Trying to be fair to the Police, there may be other motivations/considerations.
            Robust reaction to (often, but not always aggressive. ‘Proportionality’ being a fluid concept here) mob behaviour can lead to very different media coverage, for instance.
            What in one case will result in howls of outrage, twitter campaigns, calls for heads, etc, in another will see quiet satisfaction.
            It’s how policy, and justice, ‘works’ a lot of the time. BBC onside… easy life. BBC offside… less so.
            How much long that skewed lid can keep the pressure down on those on the wrong side and aware of it, who knows?

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  13. George R says:

    Beeboids interrogate Farage, the victim of political repression, not instigators,’Radical Independence'; that grouplet is inclined to adopt ‘leftist-Islamic’ tactic of censorship and direct physical action to stop free speech, music concerts, academic conferences, trade of goods, as in the action against all things Israel.

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  14. Alex says:

    As an proud Englishman who’s been working in Scotland for several years I can attest that there is a hardcore anti-English section of society up here, and they invariably are Scottish Nationalists; I’ve seen it in pubs during footy and rugby matches, and I’ve experienced it in countless conversations; it simply exists – to deny it would be a lie. The very existence of the Scottish Nationalist is a reaction to the delusion that they are ‘governed’ by England and it’s becoming unbearable to me, and many are getting tired of it. BBC Reporting Scotland is an utter disgrace and is both biased and totally saturated with Scottish Nationalists…. I can’t be bothered going into details but it simply is and racist anti-Englishness has been openly accepted in the Corporation, especially north of the Border.
    The rampant racism Nigel Farage experienced yesterday was an utter disgrace and the way the Scottish media have treated the man is also despicable… the silence from Alex Salmond is also deafening.
    Now I have mates on both side of the argument and they would never stoop to such revolting fascism, but most of my nationalists colleagues and mates when pushed do have some resentment towards England. But the majority of Scots are decent folk and a good two thirds support the Union; it’s just a shame the SNP scum have been able to sabotage the BBC just like the Labour excrement have done in England.

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    • Chilli says:

      One interesting thing that jumped out at me when I was reviewing the awful BBC ‘Good Morning Scotland’ on iPlayer was the way the weather forecast only extended to the Scotish border and this was referred to as ‘across the country’. Whereas we Brits have to sit thru the Scottish weather on every forecast.

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      • colditz says:

        Utter nonsense.

        The National News does National weather.

        Local BBC TV does local weather.

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        • Bannerman says:

          Sorry Colditz your wrong Radio 5 Live weather most mornings the word SCOTLAND is mentioned more times than England. Glasgow, Edinburgh get a forecast but our very own capital city? Never a word. Remind me how many people live in the south and would rather like to know what the bloody weathers doing.

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  15. chrisH says:

    The little that I know of this case only shows the BBCs double standards.
    Imagine if pro-lifers had howled down somebody that wanted abortion on demand, or if a gay marriage meeting had been ambushed in a similar way to Farage.
    You`d not have heard the end of it.
    But Farage is fair game to the liberal elite.
    To hear Salmond endorsing what happened in the Edinburgh pub was very creepy-tomorrow belongs to me type of lazy fascism as far as I could tell.

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  16. Dave666 says:

    Did Farage actually use the worrds “Fascist scum”? I note the BBc 18:00 news opened with that quote although in the report I didn’t see Farage actually using those words.
    What I did notice was the camera not panning round to see “Mc rent a mob” so obviously I couldn’t see the size and make up of the “Mob”..Strange that isn’t it?

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    • Chilli says:

      Yes Dave, Nigel lost his cool slightly after a series of five sneeringly insulting questions from the BBC Scotland interviewer. Although I think the ‘fascist scum’ epithet is accurate, it was perhaps not the best move given the way the BBC will edit and replay that phrase out of context of the combative interview in which it arose.

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      • Dave666 says:

        Thanks for that. I didn’t fancy trawling through the press.

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      • London Calling says:

        Remember the QT Labour plant describing UKip on air as “disgusting”?

        “Well Mr Farrage, how do you feel about people calling you “scum”? “

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      • Framer says:

        Are not fascist scum a bad thing and therefore if you condemn them you are a good thing?

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  17. Emerson v says:

    I have thought for a long time there is a strong element of anti English in the SNP. It just fits alongside what the BBC think as well. anti english-anti male . It seems free speech is not available in Scotland unless you agree with the SNP.

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    • Andrew says:

      It strikes me that it is easier to define yourself as against something rather than for anything. So, I think the “United Kingdom” was most united when faced with Napoleon, Hitler or Soviet Communism. Where would Scotland be without the anti-English definition? I imagine it would show divisions like many other countries do, e.g. between Glasgow and Edinburgh, Catholic and Protestant, West and East, North and South, Highlands and Lowlands, old industries v financial sector, etc, etc.

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      • feargal the cat says:

        ‘Independence’ from London but not Brussels is not independence, just madness. It will end in the Balkanisation of Scotland as we normal people attempt to remove themselves from the rabid red bits. How the bBC will contort themselves to cover this should be the only amusing part.

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  18. barlicker says:

    On BBCNews24 at 5pm, Gavin Estler interwiewed a UKIP official and asked him if Nigel Farage’s problems in Edinburgh might have arisen because his campaigning is “starting to take its toll” and “maybe he smokes and drinks too much”! Bloody cheek! The items was not, however, repeated on the 6 o’clock news. Perhaps Estler has been taken off the air to attend a journalism for beginners course.

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  19. Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling says:

    UKIP leader Nick Farage was bundled into a police van in Edinburgh yesterday, shortly after arriving at a pub.

    Nice to see a politician observing the local customs.

    (c) http://www.sickipedia.org/

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  20. George R says:

    “Nigel Farage and Scotland’s Left-wing media mafia”
    By Tom Gallagher.

    [Excerpt]:-

    “Scottish broadcasting recoils from free-wheeling debate. Not a few of its top managers and interviewers have been recruited from the world of Left student activism which provided part of the flash mob that bore down on Farage in central Edinburgh. Nostrums about more Europe, the necessity for a big state, and the joys of untrammelled multiculturalism shape the contours of discussion. A Scottish David Starkey or a Jeremy Clarkson would soon be wanted men if they broke through the tartan media curtain.
    The Scottish broadsheets produced from Glasgow and Edinburgh, the Herald and the Scotsman, are in an even sorrier state than the local BBC. Their circulation has nosedived in the last 20 years. Tiny numbers of Scots have access to them on a daily basis. Both rely on a core Left readership, especially the Herald, once the voice of the West of Scotland bourgeoisie. Iain MacWhirter is the Herald’s chief political columnist. This former BBC correspondent was until recently Rector of Edinburgh University. He has devoted much ink to painting Ukip and its Eurosceptic cause in lurid colours ever since it broke into front-rank British politics on 2 May.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomgallagher/100217573/nigel-farage-and-scotlands-left-wing-media-mafia/

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  21. George R says:

    “Nigel Farage: Mob were vicious, racist and nasty”

    (inc 1 min video clip, ITV News).

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-05-17/nigel-farage-mob-were-vicious-racist-and-nasty/?

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  22. Jeff says:

    The conduct of these vile thugs it what we always see with the bigoted ultra-left. They shout abuse, bully and intimidate, gloat and invariably refer to their victim(s) as fascist/Nazi/racist scum. From the hateful UAF, the misnamed Anti Nazi League, the repulsive ALF and the poisonous SWP they all behave like violent thugs when challenged.
    Oh, and to a man they’re all as ugly as a pig’s arse!

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  23. Teddy Bear says:

    In the BBC article about the incident with the ‘protesters’, as they refer to them, I notice they make no reference to their left-wing mindset. Quite a contrast as when EDL attended a peaceful rally recently in Denmark, the BBC headline made it clear from the outset EDL takes part in far-right European rally in Denmark

    We can also see in the BBC article comments from Alex Salmond of the SDP doing as much as he can to affirm the desired negative BBC view of Farage.

    Douglas Murray notes in his article on the subject that these protesters have the mindset ‘that their rigid belief system is the only correct one and that all opponents are ‘scum’ who must be ‘smashed’

    Well when we see the BBC Scotland radio interviewer clearly of the same mindset as these ‘protesters’, and as equally repulsive, with no attempt at balance or impartiality, is it any wonder then that these protesters believe their thoughts to be the only ones worth considering?

    This is exactly the purpose of BBC bias and their agenda.

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    • Ian says:

      “Far right” is a term that comes easily to BBC journalists. However “far left” is an unknown concept as far as the BBC is concerned. Just try putting the two terms into the Search space on the BBC home page.

      Interesting too that the Search mechanism there conflates “left-wing” and “right-wing” – another minor BBC cover-up!

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      • Teddy Bear says:

        One of the posters on my site sent a complaint to the BBC about their referring to the BNP as far-right, when they were actually left wing.

        The reply from them included this sentence
        The BNP was born out of the National Front – a “national” party, who like many parties purporting to represent the national interests of a particular country, claim themselves to be national socialists. NS is an extremely left wing form of political belief – Hitler’s Nazi party were national socialists, and therefore technically left wing – but so left wing as to appear right wing in their extreme and racist views. The same can apply to the BNP.

        You couldn’t make it up :roll:

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        • Chop says:

          That is unbelievable!

          So left wing that they become right wing in Beeboid world…wtf?!?

          Basically, a get out of jail card for the left, courtesy of the most trusted news organization in the world ™

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        • Leo says:

          Well clearly they can make it up. and do so regularly.

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    • johnnythefish says:

      In a nutshell, TB. Violent left wing nutjobs are only ever ‘protesters’, or ‘anti-racist’, or ‘anti-fascist’, so noble in their cause that any violence or intimidation is justified.

      The EDL and BNP by contrast are always labelled ‘far right’ by the BBC, so equate to fascism, which equates to Hitler, because that’s the link the Left have fashioned over the last forty years with their relentless mantras, despite the fact they are the true fascists with their howling down of any rational debate, from immigration through global warming to the EU and Islam, and any other sacred cow they hold close to their Marxist hearts.

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      • Teddy Bear says:

        Spot on!

        As I just wrote in the post above before I saw yours John, even technically where a particular group is patently left-wing, the BBC justify referring to them as right wing if they want to distance themselves from it.

        I think the Italian derivative of the word for left is entirely fitting for the BBC – SINISTER.

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  24. thoughtful says:

    This must have been a difficult call for the BBC, almost caught between a rock & a hard place hating UKIP and Scottish separatists in almost equal measure.
    It seems that because this wasn’t really an independance issue they felt free to have a dig at UKIP.

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    • Andrew says:

      The problem for the BBC and the Left in general is that, if Scotland did break away, there would no longer be the 59 seats in Westminster to help ensure a Labour government in England, Wales and N. Ireland. Remember that even in 2005, the year of Blair’s third victory, more people voted Conservative than Labour in England.

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      • Wild says:

        That is why they are advocates of flooding England with anti-English low IQ welfare migrants who they assume (correctly) will vote Labour – they hate England and want to turn it into France or Pakistan or Somalia with themselves as the ruling class i.e. a return back to feudalism.

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  25. George R says:

    “The non-parochial case against the European Union.

    “It isn’t only Little Englanders who should rage against the undemocratic EU – so should those who care about the continent and its peoples.”

    By Rob Lyons.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13620/

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  26. Teddy Bear says:

    I notice in the BBC article they are happy to quote Salmond’s opinion about Farage:
    The SNP said the UKIP leader had “lost the plot”.
    First Minister Alex Salmond said that Mr Farage’s accusation of a “hate campaign” from the BBC during the radio interview showed it would be a “great mistake” to take “somebody of that mentality with any degree of seriousness”.

    Now in any other circumstance where the BBC would have felt it served their interest they would have ‘balanced’ that comment with the following reminder about Salmond’s own mentality:
    Calls for Alex Salmond to say sorry for ‘Nazi’ slight

    FIRST Minister Alex Salmond faced accusations of an “ugly” smear campaign yesterday amid claims he compared a BBC executive to a Nazi official.
    reaction: First Minister Alex Salmond’s use of the Nazi term, as defined by the Chambers Dictionary, to describe a BBC adviser has been met with anger. Picture: David Cheskin/PA
    reaction: First Minister Alex Salmond’s use of the Nazi term, as defined by the Chambers Dictionary, to describe a BBC adviser has been met with anger. Picture: David Cheskin/PA

    Opposition parties called on the First Minister to withdraw the remarks, in which he also dubbed the broadcaster a “tinpot dictatorship”.

    The row comes after the BBC dropped Mr Salmond from its coverage of a rugby match between Scotland and England on Saturday.

    I mean any real journalist, who wasn’t engaged in promoting a specific agenda, would not be able to resist the ‘pot, kettle, black’ analogy.

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  27. Ian Hills says:

    The SNP doesn’t give a damn about Scottish fishermen’s jobs. Neither does the BBC. They both like the EU though.

    http://britain-today.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/another-blow-to-fishing-industry.html

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  28. Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling says:

    Apologies if I’ve missed it, but I can’t see that anyone else has commented on what I thought the best bit of Farage’s interview. Just before he put the phone down, the sneering beeboid said “and remind me how many elected members UKIP has in Scotland”, to which Farage replied “more than the BBC do”!

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  29. Edited Highlights says:

    Over recent times Scotland has slowly turned into a version of North Korea under its socialist leaders. The destruction of freedom of speech just the latest evidence of the way things are moving. The forthcoming referendum presents an opportunity however in more ways than one. If they vote for independence in Scotland it is likely then that we could never have another Labour government again in what is left of the UK or England. A considerable dividend indeed. If we could encourage the Welsh to do the same and take their Labour MPs with them it would be odds-on.

    Once we then have a UKIP or even a proper Tory government in England we could then begin the process of ridding the country of that other decidedly North Korean institution, the BBC.

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  30. Albaman says:

    “Over recent times Scotland has slowly turned into a version of North Korea ……………………”

    Of course it has – not!!!! Scotland has a democratically elected parliament with a plurality of parties, democratically elected local authorities with a plurality of parties and many independent councilors, a legal structure which separates the legislature from the judiciary and the police, a diverse media, clear separation between the church and the state, and the residents of Scotland have free movement within the country and can easily travel outside it’s borders. Just like North Korea? – not!!!!

    “If they vote for independence in Scotland it is likely then that we could never have another Labour government again in what is left of the UK or England”

    Scotland elects 59 MP’s out of a total of 650. To get an overall majority in parliament you require 326 seats. Even if Scotland had returned only Labour MP’s (something that has never happened) it means for the period they were last in power labour secured more than 267 seats from the rest of the UK.

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    • Demon says:

      “Scotland elects 59 MP’s out of a total of 650. To get an overall majority in parliament you require 326 seats. Even if Scotland had returned only Labour MP’s (something that has never happened) it means for the period they were last in power labour secured more than 267 seats from the rest of the UK.”

      Do the maths. 650-59 = 591. Overall majority requires 296 seats. Need I comment further? OK, if the gerimandered seats were properly balanced out, Labour would have even fewer in England. And when you say that Scotland never elected Labour into all 59 seats, there were times when there was no Conservative or, at most, one which is effectively the same outcome.

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      • Albaman says:

        Here is the arithmetic:
        Number of seats in UK parliament = 650
        Overall majority: 650 / 2 +1 =326
        Number of Scottish seats in UK parliament = 59
        Number of non Scottish seats required to get an overall majority (on the flawed assumption that the Scottish electorate only return MP’s from one party): 326 – 59 = 267

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        • London Calling says:

          Number of Scotland’s MPs sitting in the House of Commons: (Source: Wiki)
          Labour Party 41
          Liberal Democrats 11
          Scottish National Party 6
          Conservative Party 1

          Contrast:
          Number of English MPs sitting in the Scottish Parliament: 0

          Seems fair enough – if you’re a Scot.

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          • Albaman says:

            Are you suggesting that Scotland should not be represented in the UK Parliament?
            My understanding is that a number of MSP’s are English by birth- however as it is the Scottish Parliament they are resident in Scotland and represent constituents in Scotland.

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        • Beness says:

          by that logic if a game of snooker that is the best of 13 frames (max 7-6 win), gets reduced by 6 frames you can win it by (1-0)

          You have taken the seats lost off the magority total and not the overall total.

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          • Albaman says:

            Why would I remove seats that exist and are available for any party to win?

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            • Beness says:

              they would no longer be available if the constituencies were involved in a scottish parliament.

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              • Albaman says:

                Correct – however the initial point was that labour would never have won a majority without the Scottish vote. As I have explained twice, they got these majorities by securing at least as many as 4 times the seats in the rest of the UK.

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                • stewart says:

                  The multiple of Scottish to English seats is irrelevant. The question is ‘would labour have been able to form a government (would they have had more seats than tories) without Scottish seats’,and will the be able to do so in the future?
                  you are not a stupid man,you must realise that your constant side stepping discredits your (sometimes valid ) arguments .

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        • Demon says:

          It is a very valid point you make which completely derails your own argument. If a party needs 296 seats to get an overall majority in a Scotland-less parliament, the fact that one only needs 267 to achieve a majority, if able to count on the Scottish bloc vote, is bleeding undemocratic! The sooner that Scotland is not represented in the English Parliament the sooner that a bit of fairness and democracy returns to England.

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    • Edited Highlights says:

      Yes, we saw perfectly this week how ‘democracy’ works in Scotland. Someone who wants to put forward a right of centre viewpoint needs a police escort for their own safety, and is run out of town by an angry mob.

      No doubt the thoroughly independent police force you refer to will be investigating any related incidents for say harassment, intimidation, and public order offences and taking the appropriate action.

      I’m sure the BBC will be providing its usual balanced coverage and reporting impartially any outcome of those investigations. In exactly the same way it would do if say Alex Salmond had been chased from England by members of the EDL or BNP?

      Presume the maths explained to you below are clear enough? Or do you need something more simple to aid your understanding of it?

      I’ve seen quite a few of your posts on here and if I may say so you do rather seem to cherry pick your arguments. I’ve not heard for example what you make of the list of tweets collected on the page above for a start?

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    • chrisH says:

      Sorry Albaman.
      To prevent a Party Leader that has a perfect right to speakin whatever part of the UK that he chooses to IS indeed very creepy, and a new low in politics.
      Which-following the efforts of Labour to prevent UKIP members or sympathisers from fostering those children that they currently offer out to Muslim gangs by way of “care”-shows a consistency in how the Left want to banish any view not sanctioned by “The CP Agenda”.
      Communist Party, Common Purpose-two cheeks of the same arse as Galloway says…
      Read Animal Farm-see the fate of those dogs that had been brought up to attack any efforts to question the Napoleonic Code…then come back and call again with something helpful eh?

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  31. McBoozle says:

    The SNP have seen UKIP’s sucess south of the border so to nip it in the bud in Scotland called out it’s brownshirts, very 30’s Berlin.

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    • George R says:

      “Yes, Scottish Nationalism DOES have an ugly face.”
      By GERALD WARNER.

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326377/GERALD-WARNER-Yes-Scottish-Nationalism-DOES-ugly-face.html#ixzz2TdRKEosN
      Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

         11 likes

      • Albaman says:

        Lothian & Borders Police have confirmed two arrests following the protests. One of those arrested is English!!

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        • pah says:

          One of those arrested is English

          More Scottish racism then … when under pressure arrest an Englishman. Typical!

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        • Andrew says:

          This proves nothing by itself. If both had been Scottish, that would not have proved anything either. It’s known as the ‘theory of small numbers’. The general aggression and attempts to prevent free speech were more alarming.
          The Left’s use of “Fascist” and “racist” is often an attempt to stop discussion about some issue, in this case the power of the EU. A similar instance this morning, on “Today” in a discussion about older women having babies, was the use of the word “patronising” to limit debate on the potential problems with giving birth after 35 or 40 years of age. Harriet Harman accused David Starkey of being patronising on a recent “Question Time”. It’s a go-to word for women, particularly younger ones, when their views are challenged in vox populi shows on TV and radio. Harman, Hewitt, Hodge et al are very “matronising” themselves, of course: they know what’s best for you, just like a good old nanny.

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          • David Brims says:

            The same peopl

            Cultural Marxist Saul Alinsky ‘Rules for Radicals.’ He dedicated the book to Lucifer, the first rebel. How nice ! I think Allbumman would approve.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

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            • Wild says:

              “Cultural Marxist Saul Alinsky ‘Rules for Radicals.’ He dedicated the book to Lucifer, the first rebel.”

              You cannot say you were not warned.

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    • Donald where my troosers ? says:

      Having purged the evil Zionists from Scotland’s Uni’s, now for the evil UKIP.

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  32. George R says:

    For BBC-NUJ: about Labour and Rotherham:

    “UkIP steals ‘safe’ Labour seat in byelection.”

    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/general-news/ukip-steals-safe-labour-seat-in-byelection-1-5686282?

    What was it Rotherham’s Labour Social Services did to UKIP foster parents?

    Oh, yes, something which BBC-NUJ no longer talks about:-

    “It’s the social workers who are racist, say Slovak parents in UKIP fostering scandal: The Mail reveals the truth behind Thought Police furore – and it’s more shocking than it seemed.”

    By Sue Reid (Dec 2012).

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244297/UKIP-fostering-scandal-Its-social-workers-racist-say-Slovak-parents.html#ixzz2Tdmr9AOE

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  33. David Brims says:

    Nigel Farage likes Mrs Thatcher, well, to Scotland’s eyes, he’s Satan, he might as well have dressed up in Ku Klux Klan robes and a pointy hat when he visited Edinburgh.

    Farage mistake was he didn’t realise Scotland is East Germany going on North Korea.

    ”We tolerate different views so long as they’re are acceptable marxist views.”

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  34. colditz says:

    Rather amusing to see Alan trying to somewhow equate the SNP with the BNP!.

    Alan’s reply: Where is the SNP mentioned? Not mentioned at all…only in your own mind.

    One has a large mandate and other is a collection of paranoid loops. I would hope any English Nationalists are voting Tory or UKIP but not for a something as loathsome as the BNP.

    The continued support for the BNP and EDF on this blog are some the main reasons this blog is under risk.

    Alan’s reply: Evidence please….where has this blog ever supported the EDL or BNP? Again only in your own mind.

    David Vance has done a good job in cleaning up the once repellent A Tangled Web blog until its actually becoming sensible and attract a wide range of viewpoints without the abuse anyone opposing the BBBC agena faces here. Of course this only happened when the blog was facing almost certain closure if it didn’t clean up the act.

    Maybe there would be lot more real BBC people posting here if the the abhorrent abuse posters were removed and proper moderation used.

    Alan’s reply: And yet you’re still here….despite your racist comments

    Unfortunately with Alan so paranoid to believe I post here under 30 plus aliases that’s not going to happen soon.

    Alan’s reply: 30 sock puppets and growing…what have you got to hide?…trying to make out there are lots of critics of this site…when it’s mostly just you on your lonesome jackjones.

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    • Andrew says:

      “The continued support for the BNP and EDF [sic] on this blog are some the [sic] main reasons this blog is under risk”. Plus “… abhorrent abuse posters …”.

      This is fascinating stuff, Colditz; please tell me more.

      Can you also tell me any minor (i.e. not “main”) reasons why the blog is under risk? Under risk from whom?

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    • feargal the cat says:

      The SNP and BNP are both left wing.

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      • Albaman says:

        If the BNP are left wing why do all the “lefties” not vote for them?
        Since 1974 the SNP have gained a substantial number of votes in what were previously Tory strongholds. Their success in doing this saw them categorised as “tartan Tory’s”.

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        • Span Ows says:

          If the BNP are left wing why do all the “lefties” not vote for them?

          Many did recently, disaffected Labour voters were the biggest shift to BNP in northern towns.

          Also, anyone reading their manifesto would realise they were left wing; I presume many ‘lefties’ didn’t vote because (a) they hadn’t read the manifesto (b) were embarrassed/scared of the ‘racist’ pigeonhole.

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          • Wild says:

            Nationalism (as opposed to patriotism) is Left-Wing in origin (it is a mass movement ideology barely older than the French Revolution) and has been a feature of many (if not most) Left-Wing political Parties ever since. It is about opposing individualism and asserting the collective as a substitute religion (hence its hostility to Christianity) – in other words it is collectivist and Statist. If I could be bothered I bet that if I looked into the history of the SNP in the Thirties I would find people who were pro-Fascist – like the Irish Nationalist who were pro-Nazi, although of course in Ireland the Catholic Church (as in Italy) was more powerful. Fascism adopts itself to local bigotries but the atavistic themes are always the same.

            England is the origin of everything they hate – capitalism, individualism, and liberty, in short a free society. No wonder Scottish Fascists and Marxists hate Thatcher – they are reverting back to pre-Enlightenment Scotland which was based on thievery by bandit chiefs – your identity derived from your clan.

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    • David Brims says:

      Coldtits

      Marxist ‘comedian’ Jeremy Hardy said that all BNP members should be killed, ” they should be shot in the back of the head.”

      Do you agree with murder ? yes or no ?

      news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/3974731.s

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    • Guest Who says:

      ‘Maybe there would be lot more real BBC people posting here…’
      As opposed the unreal variety currently?

      ‘…proper moderation used.’
      Guessing you have a clear idea of what ‘proper’ should be?
      Do share. If it’s ‘Conform or you’ll be hounded shut’ that may not be the best basis to crow on, though, especially with BBC FaceBook pages looking a little Wild West on the robustness front too. Or is your idea of ‘cleaning up’ erring on BBC levels of unidirectional uniqueness that applies to all bar them? Very Leveson. Very #HackedOff. Not very democratic or free speaking, though.
      Plus answers to Andrew’s questions would be nice, too.
      One does hope this request won’t be deemed by you the kind of ‘abuse’ you claim that interrupts your ability to drive and snipe unfettered.
      As you are, still, clearly.
      Under a BBC modding regime I doubt that would be the case. You may even struggle to get the name you so treasure past them.

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    • Dave s says:

      I would have more respect for your views if you came right out with it and called for this blog and all conservative blogs to be closed or hounded into extinction.
      It is the only card the liberal left have got to play. Reality is finally doing what it always does. Bringing an end to illusion and fantasy politics based on almost gnostic beliefs in some other possible world.
      Name the issue and you can sense the liberal left is losing it. Might take time but in the culture wars there is no decisive battle.
      What amuses me is the insane belief that history ends in liberalism . It never ends. it is unpredictable and at the mercy of people and forces we really never understand.
      Ban the right by all means. It will be the hollowest of victories .

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    • johnnythefish says:

      ‘The continued support for the BNP and EDF on this blog…….’

      Where?

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      • Guest Who says:

        Hey, if it works for Mark Mardell…. well, um, if Mark Mardell does it too…

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  35. Beness says:

    from the thought police i would guess. clean it up! (moderate opinion) or it gets closed.Sounds like all the bbc boards that they had to close because people would not clean up their thoughts.

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    • Andrew says:

      So you reckon it’s “ThinkPol” [= the Thought Police]. Is Colditz especially in the know about what is defined as “Crimethink”? If so, how does he know? By position (job) or his superior education?

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      • stewart says:

        How does he know?Like any good foot soldier of the liberal inquisition By virtue of his innate superiority especially over those ‘loathsome’ proles who,despite 40 years of education,legislation and,when necessary, intimidation refuse to accept the revealed truth and continue to support the likes of the BNP and EDL.

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