Twitter was outraged this morning as it woke up to the Daily Mail frontpage.
The BBC, and it seems the tedious Owen Jones, are of a similar mind laying into the Mail today as it linked Philpott’s scrounging to the death of his children.
A picture in the Telegraph via Guido with ‘idiot’ Jones….
@OwenJones84 The utter shameless, grotesque, vile mentality of a “newspaper” that uses the killing of 6 kids for political purposes and to inflame hatred
Not forgetting the opportunist Labour MP Jack Dromey, quite ready to use a coffin as a political soap box: ‘Truly vile headline in tomorrow’s Daily Mail. How dare they bracket the unemployed, the sick and the disabled with a mass murderer!’
No ‘utter shameless, grotesque, vile mentality of a labour MP that uses the killing of 6 kids for political purposes’ from Jones on that one then?
The BBC covered the same ground this morning and seem to regard the Mail’s coverage as a major news story:
Sheila Fogarty went into it in some detail…or not as it turns out. The Daily Mail is a prime target for the BBC, never a day goes by without a BBC presenter slagging it off…or an ‘artistic’ guest or a Labour politician doing so.
The question, unanswered by Fogarty and Co, is was the Daily Mail right, did the deaths of the 6 children stem from his desire to’work the system’?
Some missing facts from the BBC rants against the Mail ….all the money from benefits went to the children’s mothers…but they paid it all into Philpott’s bank account. He claimed nothing himself.
Philpott’s girlfriend decided to leave him and take her 5 kids with her…and Philpotts wanted a bigger council house….
Here is what the Mail says:
‘He was left irate after Miss Willis, 29, became disillusioned with his ‘domineering behaviour’ and summoned the courage to escape the unconventional family home with her five children early last year.
That decision to leave, taking with her more than £1,000 a month in benefit payments, was the ‘catalyst for everything that was to follow’.
Philpott calculated that a fire could also land him a new, bigger council house – something he had been demanding from the local authority ever since his notorious appearance on Jeremy Kyle in 2006.’
Reading that it is pretty clear that his actions were designed to get custody of the children in order to keep receiving their benefit payments, and to ‘force’ the council to re-house him in a bigger house.
In other words the Mail was right….the deaths were a result of Philpott’s greed, the motivation easy money from a system that he ‘milked’ relentlessly with a ‘production line’ of children.
The Daily Mail’s frontpage in no way reflects upon the people who are in real need of welfare and do not abuse the system……but Philpott’s actions were a direct result of a system that richly rewards those who see a way of obtaining a lifestyle they could never afford by working honestly and have no shame at all about manipulating and perverting a system for their own profit and enrichment at the expense of those whoo truly need the money.
It’s a shame that the BBC et al are more interested in attacking the Daily Mail, and the government’s welfare reforms, than in challenging the morality and effectiveness of the welfare system themselves.
The lefties are whining about this on LBC right now.
The callers are actually disagreeing with Ian Dale on his stance that the Mail are wrong.
I believe the Mail are spot on, I have known plenty of folk who are mass claimants, and claim everything out there…it is a lifestyle choice.
(I actually know “Devil Dog” woman Bev Concannon, that’s how far imbedded in the real world I am, unlike some prat the Beeb think is Northern and down on da Streets, like Lefty, Shouty Jones)
Perhaps BBC-NUJ could list in order of ‘vileness’:
1.)
Tory Bullingdon boys, who apparently got drunk at university;
2.)
the ‘bullying’ BBC managers over whom BBC-NUJ are going on strike;
3.)
Philpott.
They will have to contact the LSE to help them create an online “Vileometer” for that, a few million TV Tax will sort that out.
Yes, how about class A being called precarivile?
Can I have my 10% of the 5 million research grant up front please?
Tee-hee, like it. ‘Vile’ is a favourite of the left recently. Pretty much anything or anyone they disagree with is ‘vile’.
Registering on the lefty vile-ometer should be a source of pride to most decent people.
Yes, where is there more sexual assault: the Bullingdon Club or the BBC?
SWP headquarters or the local chiken take away would beat either,yet neither register on BBCs outrage-ometer
‘Perhaps BBC-NUJ could list in order of ‘vileness’
They could, and may yet do so, possibly on the Jeremy ‘Get two extremes to rant at each other and then select the most barking emails/tweets as representative of the the UK public’s views’ Show.
That bit in ‘quotes’ does have a shorter and, given the topic, appropriate name.
How many petitions are trying to run policy or private sector HR now?
Ed Milibandwagon must have a whole department just to decide which one to jump on daily, presuming the BBC doesn’t brief him on which they are backing first.
Those are sure-fire winners no matter what. Ask Stuart Hughes.
We can expect BBC-NUJ to use ‘Leveson’ to censor ‘Daily Mail’ in the cause of Philpott-Welfare State-Socialism.
Many a true word……
But would be through a BBC proxy – change.org? I think they would have 3rd party rights to complain under Leveson.
I had to wonder why the BBC ran the article on this vile shit with the headline
Philpott sentencing: Derby fire deaths duo ‘good’ parents
No attempt to mention any of the accusations that show they were far from good parents, as the Mail clearly tells:
Her sisters, Jennifer and Bernadette, told a BBC Panorama programme aired last night that they frequently tried to rescue them from Philpott’s clutches. They explained how Mairead attempted suicide in the months before the fire.
Afterwards, Philpott allowed the eldest child, Duwayne, 13, to have a sleepover at Bernadette’s house.
She said the little boy was in a terrible state. ‘Mick said he hadn’t eaten for a week and I took him and my little boy out for a pizza. I had never seen a child eat so fast in my life.’
Of course, it all rather contradicts Philpott’s great claim, wheeled out whenever he was criticised about his lifestyle, that he was a ‘great dad’.
Not to mention the other examples in the article that show what shits they really were to their kids.
Clearly the BBC doesn’t want to show that this benefit claimant could be anything else than an upright moral citizen, who meant to save his children but just made a little mistake.
What with them having used Philpott previously for a documentary about the welfare system, and the ‘ducker and diver’ they used to lambast IDS, they’re really batting a 1000 on their selections to pursue their agenda.
Shows how tough it is for them to prove something so patently rubbish.
The ‘left’s political campaign to censor the ‘Daily Mail has begun:
“Campaigns to get Richard Littlejohn sacked by Daily Mail signed by 240,000”
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/content/campaigns-get-richard-littlejohn-sacked-daily-mail-signed-240000?
Wonder how that other petition they started about getting The Guardian to apologize for lying to Leverson & the nation by saying News international hacked and deleted Milly Dowler’s phone messages?
Oh, that’s right, they never started one, did they.
‘Wikipedia’:-
“In December 2012, Littlejohn wrote an article criticizing the decision of an Accrington teacher, Lucy Meadows, to return to teach at the same school after transition from male to female, rather than choosing another school to teach at. Littlejohn cited concern for the sensibilities of the children. In the same article he sympathized with those who were ‘trapped in a body of the wrong sex’ and underwent gender reassignment operations, and expressed support for the operations being paid for by the NHS, provided it was for a genuine medical reason.
“In March 2013, Meadows was found dead with police reporting no suspicious circumstance, suggesting suicide. Littlejohn’s article, which included a caption criticising the school for ‘burying’ the news of Miss Meadows, was later removed from the Daily Mail’s website following Meadows’ death, with an anonymously-authored obituary, repeatedly referring to Meadows as a man and making no mention of Littlejohn’s article, appearing online and in print. Trans Media Watch, a charity for transgender people, said: ‘We have been deeply saddened to hear of the death of Lucy Meadows, who was outed by the press when she decided to transition.’
“A petition drive was launched demanding Littlejohn be fired.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Littlejohn
Littlejohn was right. He expresses what the man on the street thinks . You can’t silence him no more than I can silence the gay lobby.And how do you out someone who changes gender?
Exactly…what, they thought the kids wouldn’t/didn’t notice?
Did they think the kids wouldn’t/didn’t take the piss?…this, over Littlejohn’s article being a more likely cause for suicide?
Billy: “Have you noticed somert different about Mr Meadows?”
Dave: “Nope, not a thing my good fellow…”
As if.
The left are revolting, yet they are the ones who claim the right use victims as political tools for their own agenda.
From what I read about this, Littlejohn was raising concerns in a national newspaper that had already been voiced in the local Accrington press as a result of parents’ reaction over the school’s plans to explain the teacher’s ‘gender re-assignment’ to the (primary school) pupils. If that is so, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be up for national debate.
It also seems “Lucy” had tried to commit suicide on two previous occasions according to the Coroner opening the inquest. So it would appear that the deceased had some deep seated mental problems well before Littlejohn wrote his article.
You have hit the nail on the head there in my opinion. In my view anyone that tries to change their gender must have serious mental issues. Rather than help them to mutilate themselves they should be given intensive psychiatric help.
I think that I will start taking the mail .If the BBC hate it so much it must be on the right track. Perhaps someone who knows how to run these things will start a Littlejohn Support petition.
Bodo, it’s interesting you have also noticed that the socialists have a new word to level at those with whom they disagree; the vile epithet has already been spat at me on at least one occasion on a socialist leaning blog. I think socialists lack a sense of humour. They also appear to lack any connection with normality and fail to recognise how ridiculous they usually sound on just about any subject.
john IC, yup, the piece by Zoe Williams in the Grun; “Don’t get mad about the Mail’s use of the Philpotts…” is followed by a barrage of comments full of hatred, and liberal use of ‘vile’. It would be funny to post there a regular ‘vile-o-meter’ index in the comments, increasing every time the word was used. Unfortunately I’m banned.
The anger in Guardian comments is far worse than anything I’ve seen in the Mail. MrNed says it well on Guido;
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I have never ever seen the Daily Mail claim that all benefits claimants are evil, devious, selfish etc… That is a smear by the delusional left wing. But then, unlike most lefties, I actually read the Daily Mail, rather than mindlessly repeat the baseless smears of the left.
The Daily Mail is exposing how the welfare system has failed the people it was intending to help. For example, the welfare system gave Mick Philpott so much in benefits that his total benefits placed him in the top 1% of incomes in this country. YET the welfare system failed to ensure that his massive income (on which he paid NO income tax at all) was used to ensure that his children were well fed or clothed properly. The welfare system failed his children and it failed every tax-payer who is paying for it.
Funny how the left cannot see any flaw in a system which makes such scum as Philpott into a member of the exclusive 1% of incomes club, and he did not pay income tax, yet they will go apeshit about a newspaper which exposes the failure of the welfare system which is so obviously badly failing all of us.
The left are delusional idiots, all of them.
The Left really are disgusting! That Owen Jones epitomizes everything that I despise in the intolerant, motor-mouth know-it-all Lefty. BBC, Sky, the Guardian, the Independent etc have wheeled out the usual snooty, London lefties, today, to shed their faux-tears on-screen. The fact is, this useless, evil, murdering, lazy, dole scrounger was more interested in getting extra cash than the lives of his kids, and our broken welfare state – created and lauded by Liebour socialist filth – aided him. I’d hang him along with every other murdering scum who are lounging around in prison watching DVDs thanks to the treacherous Left-wing excrement who are more interested in the rights of minorities and criminals than the normal, law-abiding citizen. I say it again, the Left really are disgusting!
Um, a bit too much vitriol there, mate.
Perhaps, but I stick by my comments. I find the liberal upper classes truly nauseating and I have to express it.
Things will not change until right minded people get angry, something the left learned a hundred years ago.
Alex is quite right and whilst the idiots of the liberal left continue to destroy this country and every other country where they get control we pacifists, by being so bloody reasonable, are allowing it to happen.
Old Timer:
I agree to a certain extent, but pure, genuine anger will not work. The Left is very cold, calculating, and surprisingly patient.
You’re very wrong Joshaw. The rabid shrieking of the left should not be met with reasoned calm since all they will do is shout over you. I’m sick and tired of lefties controlling debates on tv while the right wingers are staring at their shoes in silence.
Sorry, still don’t agree. Their influence is from their long march through the institutions, not shrieking on TV, annoying though it is.
They would not be allowed to shriek unchallenged on the BBC had their patient infiltration and infestation not happened in the first place.
Correct:But how to de-infest thats the question
Making the BBC pay-to-view would be a start. Presumably this would also have an adverse effect on the Guardian.
The erosion of free speech in our universities needs to be addressed as well.
“Michael Philpott is a perfect parable for our age:
His story shows the pervasiveness of evil born out of welfare dependency.”
By A.N. WILSON.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2303071/Mick-Philpotts-story-shows-pervasiveness-evil-born-welfare-dependency.html#ixzz2PQcbYw7l
Even a Labour Party stalwart can see the hysteria of the ‘left’ on this:-
“Outrage over the Daily Mail’s Mick Philpott headline – but the paper’s critics can be just as hysterical themselves”
By Dan Hodges.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100210263/?
AN Wilson says it better than me, but I have said the same thing somewhere on this site.
That the Left go to such trouble to smear the messengers is , in its way; being an accomplice to the likes of Philpott-certainly aiding and abetting his deeds.
My consolation is that Planet Beeb looks increasingly weird and hysterical(di Canio etc)…these stories really are sprats, and reveal the complete lack of backbone, memory and point/purpose of the Left and its fellow travellers at the BBC.
Here in the real world, we can see that they`re washed up, washed out and irrelevant.
Indeed any decent, even marginally competent Tory would bin them for fun and forever mock their goldfish like stupidities, so they were a laughing stock and utterly unelectable!
Oh…er…”marginally competent” attached to “Tory”…oops!
They are getting shrill because they smell blood in the water.
It’s perfectly natural – for sharks.
And BBC-NUJ will politically oppose front page headline of Thursday’s ‘Daily Mail’ which contains an uncomfortable truth for BBC-NUJ and NHS:
“Epidemic of Health Tourists ‘Costs Us Billions.'”
did you know this comrades,,,,owen jones, who is in fact very middle class and was educated at oxbridge used to pose as a ordinary working class bloke when he was a guest on stephen nolan newspaper review panel on friday nights until the independant snapped him as a columnist,,,not a bad pay at £150,000 a year for owen jones…the blokes a working class wannabe as in the same vein as billy i live in conservative devon bragg,,,,these fake working class leftys wannabes like jones and bragg dont speak up on behalf of me comrades…simple as that
Modern liberals – for that is what the old socialist movement has turned into – are nearly 100% middle class. As fake as their accents. They really are not worth bothering with. The young ones have failed to rebel against their oh so cool parents. The old ones have never grown up.
What a shower as the saying goes.
They are the BBC . The Guardian and the rest of the useless tax eaters. Endless Polly Toynbees and the this lad Jones.
No wonder England is in a state. .
Dorset
That’s because the ruling class is and has always been descendants of the Normans who invaded in 1066. It’s only been in the last 100-150 years that significant number of Anglos have been able to break out from the working class and join the Normans in the elite.
The rise of the educated working class was becoming a problem for the Normans and so they introduced Comprehensive schools. Now social mobility is going backwards.
That’s why labour supports the benefit culture, it keeps their kids in the better jobs.
It has always been clear that the introduction of the comprehensives was for this reason. A point that needs to be made again and again. The elite has now got it’s way and we are left with vast numbers of semi literate and badly educated children. The sting in the tail is that this elite forgot this country needs to earn it’s living in the world and needs well educated children. Give it 20 years and we will be well into third world status.
the giggling annoying sheila fogarty is more left wing than fidel castro,as for mick phillpott and co,they are the worst kind of white trailer trash in this country,and there is many more like them out there of all races and religions,i know that because i live on a council estate with all these low life anti social scum who make decent working class peoples life a misery.
Today (Radio 4) didn’t get the choice of guests quite right today – putting AN Wilson against Pamela Nash (Labour MP for Airdrie) who couldn’t produce a single argument against the Daily Mail headlines on Philpott except it was ‘vile’ (I am sure she used that word but perhaps reading other parts of this site has affected my memory and listen again is not yet available). What the item actual showed was the vacuousness of Labour MPs who join the nearest bandwagon, who are not that bright and cannot argue their points.
BBC-NUJ to rail against ‘Mail’ re- readily available NHS global free health service?:-
“Epidemic of health tourists ‘costs us billions’: Thousands fly to UK for treatment and leave without paying… and NHS is powerless to act.
“Leading health surgeon described the NHS as the ‘world’s maternity wing.’
“Thousands also travel to the UK for cancer, HIV and infertility treatment .
“Professor J Meirion Thomas cites a string of cases in a stinging article.
“He concludes there is widespread abuse of the NHS by ineligible patients.”
By DANIEL MARTIN
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2303644/Epidemic-health-tourists-costs-billions-Thousands-fly-UK-treatment-leave-paying–NHS-powerless-act.html#ixzz2PU9wizPA
Not that this would ever happen but we should keep a track of these health migrants and bill their country of origin for their care. If they won’t pay up we can drop the aid money to that country by the same amount.
In fact it could become a nice little earner …
NHS staff won’t police NHS entitlement, GPs say it is not their job to check entitlement to NHS free care, more than a few hospital consultants are happy to inflate demand for their service in order to bid for more resources, and no NHS Chief Executive wants to be accused of racism. A perfect storm.
There was a solution, the National Identity Card (like everyone in Europe has) but, oh dear, The Tories scrapped it because it was a Labour idea.
We are run by the feckin’clueless. A plague on all of them
No need for national identity card,beloved of all marxist states.An NHS photo I.D. would do
(nicabs not withstanding)
Listening to the foolish Pamela Nash made me embarrassed to say I am Glaswegian.
All murderers eat food, not everyone who eats food is a murderer. Not all people on benefits are feckless wasters. But Nu Labour promoted many 10000s of families to this hallowed state of sucking the life blood from the state and “here to get their pay” as I have heard some feckless wasters say in the local post office in the past when getting thier benefits.
She just couldn’t get the fact that this family lead by this vile feckless pervert of a man, exist because of Nu Labour’s 13 years of destruction. One of its policies to give wholesale increases to those who “had” bigger families. What ages are the kids? its not rocket science.
Also the reason you see many of those on benefits with small dogs. They get and extra £10 a week for having a dog. Yes an extra £520 a year. There are old pensioners who have been left on their own by their feckless families, of all political persuasions, who find great comfort in having a dog as a companion. Not these wasters.
Yes, many, including myself, reading this will have had a relatively privileged upbringing, but i know those in some of the most deprived areas in Glasgow who have not and they aren’t in 3rd generation dole junkies on disability benefits.
They work, they work blooming hard to make ends meet. They have had to work hard to make sure their kids have gotten an education and then a job and work to keep ahead. And families don’t always stick together, but its amazing the economic benefits when they do resolve issues and stick together.
Niall Ferguson’s Reith Lecture exposed the folly of those on the left in Scotland. Some very educated fools.
Old school institutions – while many do not agree with them its interesting to see how many families try and get their kids in to the Catholic state schools for a good and structured educations. The family unit to stop kids running amok. Rather than Nu Labour’s ideal of a family – 3 people and a fridge to quote from elsewhere.
Ohh a once significant city in a well respected country. A country that once made such a mark on the pages of history. Significant input to science, maths, engineering, inventions galore. Yes there was great poverty, but as with so many cities of its time.
It cannot be denied that Thatcher did take a butcher’s cleaver, rather than a surgeon’s knife to a number of expensive secondary industries. She didn’t seem to quite realise how soley dependant so many had become on the state and state funded jobs and couldnt see anything past that. Furthermore, she didn’t seem to realise the vast numbers who swallowed wholesale the Fabian/Nu Labour type lies peddled by those previously indoctrinated by old school communism on the red Clyde.
I am told that there was very good steel and brass made in Glasgow, and the cheaper eastern European metal makers still haven’t quite got the knack yet.
Salmond’s and Sturgeon’s plan, while admirable and truly deluded.
I do find Sturgeon, with equally nasal and whining accent, incredibly annoying.
Please dont think all Glaswegians are whining fools who think the state owes them everything for nothing.
Truly, Scotland once was a great nation.
“Philpott’s children were his meal ticket, says Ann Widdecombe who spent a week living with his family”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303687/Mick-Philpotts-children-meal-ticket-says-Ann-Widdecombe.html#ixzz2PVNO9gnl
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BBC 6 o’clock news – a reporter live at the scene of the Philpot deaths. His comments (about eight minutes in) deserve a full transcript and an official complaint – not that it would do any good of course. He was desperately spinning the story away from any state or welfare responsibilty. He admitted he didn’t know what the locals thought, but then told us exactly what they did think, and reported in such a detailed and clear way that it was actually presented as fact. All just a ‘one off’ we were authoritatively told on the basis of, well.. err, no evidence whatsoever. Pure BBC opinion dressed up as something much more.
As always with the BBC, something that contradicts their world viewpoint is just “an isolated case”. Whether it be Islamic terrorists or dysfunctional welfare junkies, there are NO lessons to be learned, it’s all just a one-off, move along, nothing to see here. Contrast to, say, a racist chant at a football game and for the BBC it’s clear all the schedules, 24-hour coverage on news and radio channels, and a major societal issue that must be dealt with at the highest level. Enquiries are called for. Examples must be made. Lessons must be learned.
An official complaint would be useless, the difference in coverage would be dismissed as editorial priorities, subjective, balanced over time, etc etc. In reality its one of the most insidious yet powerful examples of BBC bias and how it has such a powerful and distorting effect on national debate and the entire national consciousness.
Yes, I had the misfortune to catch a bit of that bBBC propaganda as well. It sounded much like Shouty Owen Jones versus Guido on This Morning, except it was only the Shouty bit.
Disgraceful bias.
“The Philpott case should prompt debate about Britain’s underclass.”
By Douglas Murray.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/04/the-philpott-case-should-prompt-debate-about-britains-underclass/
I’m taken by the number of times the Prime Minister is called ‘Cameron’ by the BBC. Frequently on news bulletins, and almost always by David Dimbleby on QT.
My ears pricked up this morning, then, when Five Liveoid, Phil Mackie reporting from Nottingham referred to the Scumbag Philpott, quit simply as, ‘Phil’.
The BBC apparently show more respect to this killer than they do the PM
Listen again (2:02:50)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01rlrlj
Eugenics anyone?
If the death of 6 children isn’t cause enough to question what were the circumstances that led to the tragedy WHAT THE FECK IS!?
You lot really are a sad, pathetic bunch of tosers. You’re the reason the country is in this state.
Philpots motives and actions have NOTHING to do with the welfare state or how it came about. He’s a cold bloded psycopath that saw women and children as his property to exploit. THAT has nothing to do with those who depend on the Welfare state to stay alive. Rememeber the golden rule “Everyone has the right to life” It’s doesn’t say *you* have a greater right then someone less well of then you.
Hysteria74 makes no sense. Who said anything about having a greater right? Who said Philpott isn’t a psycopath? Who said anything about people who really do depend on welfare to say alive being punished? Why does this person support benefits fraudsters stealing vital resources from the poorest and most vulnerable? Very strange.
What’s not strange is that this is yet another troll who created an email address with the same moniker specifically to yell at us. It’s like some rule they all have to follow.
“He’s a cold bloded psycopath that saw women and children as his property to exploit” Yes and the welfare state was the means and opportunity through which he exploited them
Remember the golden rule every body has a right to an opinion just because your a self righteous prig doesn’t make your right any greater (nor the use of higher case letters)
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