THE MISSING WORDS..

Defendants in Rochdale grooming trial

I know you have been discussing this on the Open Thread but I wanted to focus on the BBC coverage of the conviction of Nine Muslims in Rochdale for sexual crimes against young girls. For some reason, the BBC sees no reason to point out that they are all Pakistani Muslims, all part of that rich multicultural diaspora.  The Daily Telegraph makes reference to their Pakistani origins and Sky even finds the courage to use the M word!  In fairness to the BBC, the Police and Keith Vaz pile in to point out that this is NOT a race issue. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t? Is it a Islam issue? Seemingly not – or at least that’s not a question the BBC are remotely interested in pursuing.

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85 Responses to THE MISSING WORDS..

  1. Mice Height says:

    They certainly wouldn’t treat Muslim females this way . . . . . . . . unless they were married to them!

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  2. RCE says:

    To be fair, PM did a half-reasonable job of reporting the Muslim and Asian/Pakistani aspect of this.

    That is, by the BBC’s standards, of course.

    No direct link to all the other cases, of course…

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  3. DJ says:

    To be fair to the BBC, it’s obvious their Root Causes Unit is still deployed in Oslo, trying to prove that every right-winger who ever lived was the secret inspiration for Anders Brevik.

    Meanwhile, some of us are left to wonder if this sudden respect for the views of police officers will extend to any other stories, or is the view of the Flicks only definitive when they’re saying stuff the BBC agrees with?

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    • RCE says:

      Ha ha, DJ! I thought exactly the same thing. Let’s see, shall we, the next time Mark Duggan is mentioned on Today.

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  4. bodo says:

    To be fair to the Beeb I think their coverage has been more honest than their usual whitewash treatment.

    The puzzling thing is how the police can say there’s no racial element with a straight face. Similarly, how come no race/religious aggravation in the case posted by Mice Height above.

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    • Doggywoggy says:

      If the suspects had been white, they would have been in prison two years ago. If they had been Catholic Christians, the BBC would be screaming it from the rooftops with the added investigations into why Catholicism is so prone to paedophilia? When in reality the ONLY religion doing anything to tackle paedophilia IS Catholicism.

      Added to this I saw an interview with a person from the CPS (on ITV news) explaining why they did not proceed with the prosecution two years ago when the allegations were first made.

      He said there was no prosecution because they felt a Jury would not believe the girl.

      OH, I should add that the guy from the CPS was an Asian Muslim! I wonder why he thought that the victim would not be believed? /sarc.

      These poor girls were victims of a vicious, racist, political correctness which placed the interests of racist child rapists above the interests of the victims and the interests of Justice and the law! EVERY Left wing PC supporting bastard has the blood of these victims on their hands.

      Just like the case in Blackpool where these Asians were not stopped until a schoolgirl was raped, murdered and then sold in kebabs, these people are getting away with it for fear of the authorities “upsetting cultural sensitivities”

      This racist politically correct “turning a blind eye” to the law to protect certain communities MUST STOP! The law MUST be applied without regard to race, religion and creed as intended by common law and the legal Maxim, “Quod ad jus naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales sunt” (All men are created equal before the natural law)

      To add insult to injury, the BBC added that “sexual abuse takes place in ALL communities”

      Yes, but that does not excuse these people believing that they were not abusing humans, because they believe (according to their religious tenets) that women are less than human and white women are even lower and less worthy.

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      • beness says:

        To add insult to injury, the BBC added that “sexual abuse takes place in ALL communities”

        That’s like saying other providers are available.

        The Shameless ass holes.

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    • ROBERT BROWN says:

      It is because the wretched, useless cops were told on many occasions about this, and the BNP flagged it up 12 years ago. The BBC, CPS, cops et al are all trying to keep their feet on the lid, pathetic.

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    • Phobic-ist says:

      The old bill can say such crap with a straight face beause for decades now the organization has ben infiltrated (or should I say infested) with left/liberal/PC university grads who are the only ones ever considered for promotion. These are the spineless bastards who stand back and watch communities burn for fear of offending racial/muslim sensitivities although willing coppers are champing at the bit to get stuck in and to do their job! They are successfully turning Police Forces into Police Services and plods into touchy feely social workers. Politicised under Labour and no change under this crowd. The damage is now irreparable. Guess what I used to do for a living…

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      • Andy S. says:

        Most of these PC orientated Police top rankers would never be real coppers while they have holes in their arses!

        Just take a look at all these Police Inspectors, Superintendents, Assistant Commissioners and Chief Constables you see on news items. NONE of them have experience etched onto their faces. Can any one of you imagine them rolling around on the pavement trying to arrest an angry man?

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  5. I’ve just this instant, posted the same on my blog. Spooky.

    http://niklowe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/whos-correct.html

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  6. A Libertarian Rebel says:

    Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation:

    “There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community, there is an over-representation amongst recent convictions in the crime of on-street grooming, there should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals.”

    So the CEO of the Ramadhan Foundation can acknowledge this issue & call for it to be addressed, but the police & the BBC can’t even acknowledge it.

    Det Supt Mick Gradwell, Lancs Police:

    “We know it’s Asian perpetrators, but our investigations are too often hampered by political correctness & fear of upsetting community cohesion”

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    • Mordred says:

      Yes. As it says in the BBC article David Vance links to:
      “Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of of the Ramadhan Foundation, accused Pakistani community elders of “burying their heads in the sand” on the issue of on-street grooming.
      “There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community,” he said.
      “There should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals.
      “They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community.””

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    • Doggywoggy says:

      often by local authorities, social services and the CPS who are all stuffed full of politically correct racists, who would jump at prosecuting white people to the fullest extent of the law, but will do everything they can to avoid prosecuting those from Islamic communities for fear of being branded “racist”.

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    • More Upset Than They Were Ment To Be... says:

      The worse part is that the ACC of the GMP shows he is unable to brake his left wing, multicultural, brainwashing and admit what is blindingly obvious and just been admitted!!

      And they wonder why the country’s going to hell in a handcart.

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      • More Upset Than They Were Ment To Be... says:

        This is the bit that should go in the quote section, I’m getting rusty with the old HTML tags.

        But Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood of Greater Manchester Police (GMP) denied that the ethnicity of either the defendants or the victims was a factor.

        “It is not a racial issue,” he said. “This is about adults preying on vulnerable young children.

        “It just happens that in this particular area and time the demographics were that these were Asian men.”

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        • Jimmy R says:

          I take it that those self same “demographics” explain why every single one of the victims were underage white females then?

          Perhaps the ACC would like to explain how the area came to have a majority of males of Asian origins whilst having a majority of young girls of white ethnicity.

          The fact that the paedophiles were all Asian men preying on underage white girls is just as much racist as if it where a group of white males preying specifically on underage Asian girls and sweeping that under the carpet is far more likely to cause racial tension than admitting what is obvious to all but the most deliberately blinkered of people.

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  7. Deborah says:

    I think that Fiona Bruce did eventually admit that the men were of Pakistani origin. But the piece about the number of Pakistanis involved generally seemed to confuse this type of grooming with on-line grooming. Maybe the BBC could say that on-line grooming is a white problem or has no racial element but this is a crime that has a disproportianate number of Asians (Muslims?) involved. Also I cannot remember if there was mention (although I don’t think there was) whether any of the girls were of Asian origin.

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  8. Dave666 says:

    I’ve been complaining to the BBc on various aspects of this story ever since January. If you read the right websites you would have know this trail was taking place in December last year. The media and the BBc have done their level best to twist and spin this story. My first complaint about non-coverage was met with a reply telling me running stories was not a scientific art and they had to take public interest in a story into account blah blah blah. North West have donew another twist and turn tonight which I will have to look at in detail but they are I believe using statistical lies. Also let us not forget the muslims who were arrested in Oxford not that long ago. Probably thought I’d forgotten about that story…to be continued

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  9. Pounce_Uk says:

    Can somebody please explain why these ugly creatures are not referred to as: “Paedophiles” you can bet your bottom dinar that if these men were catholic priests then the bBC would be shouting out to all and sundry about how depraved these men are and how its all down to the faith.

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  10. Chris says:

    Why use the word ‘Asian’ as the BBC did? These people weren’t Sikhs or Hindus or Buddhists nor for that matter were they members of the Chinese Communist Party. ITV’s reporting of this terrible case was completely different. The BBC on their 6 o Clock report wheeled on an expert to deny any racial angle at all-and also note that the BBC didn’t mention the religious angle whereas ITV brought on an expert who pointed out that gang grooming is particularly associated with one community in particular.

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  11. maturecheese says:

    If white shop and takeaway owners(are there any?) had done this to young black girls that just happened to be the demographic hanging around their shops, the BBC and the rest of the media would be screaming ‘Racism’ from the treetops and yet apparently the actions of these Muslims ( or no doubt the others on trial elsewhere) wasn’t influenced by race or religion. Only in the progressives world hey!

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  12. Merlin says:

    The only reason the BBC are reporting is because they know damn well that the truth is out and they canny hide it any longer. The fact that they are refusing to highlight the Pakistani Muslim link here is worrying. Whether it is a problem specific to race I don’t know and would probably say on the whole that it isn’t, but it is far too common to sweep under the carpet and far to obvious to ignore the definite religious connection.

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  13. London Calling says:

    Getting this story out of the BBC is like pulling teeth. Every point made there is equivocation, desperate quotes from the rapists defence “We didn’t know they (the white girls we Muslims were raping) were under age” ; bogus evenhandedness “Split views on race role” – Split, really?
    Police bending over backwards to avoid being McPhersonized – The media might usefully question McPherson what he thinks of the damage he has singlehandedly wrought on our criminal justice system.
    It is left to a Muslim to criticise Muslims. because we white British are not allowed to because of Blairs monstrous unforgivable legacy of “Hate Speech” laws.
    Perhaps the media should ask what Teflon Tony what he thinks of his legacy of multiculturalism, and explain it to those poor girls.

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  14. Dazed & Confused says:

    Look….Just read these excerpts from ayatollah-khomeinis “Little Green Book”….It’s not rocket science….Muslims are simply doing what they’re instructed to do, and according to their holy book, following the path of Mohammed, “the most perfect man to have ever walked this earth”.

    What the hell are we allowing out loathsome politicians to keep quiet from us all?

    http://apostates.weebly.com/ayatollah-khomeini-sex-with-children-and-animals.html

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  15. Henry Wood says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17899841

    “Heywood: Rochdale town at the centre of child sex ring”
    And it only takes until the fourth sentence of the report for the BBC spin to appear:
    “However, while the arrest and charging of the men – eight from Pakistan and one from Afghanistan – could have been an end to the problem, it was when their trial hit the headlines that more trouble began.”

    The report then continues with quite a long screed about white mans’ (even BNP!) violence towards the innocent members of the religion of peace.

    While the BBC’s insidious drip, drip, drip of left wing sh*te and pro multi-culti propaganda might fool some half asleep listeners to Messrs. Humphries & Naughtie early in the day, I can’t really see many readers at all being hoodwinked by this twisting of the story.

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  16. Merlin says:

    For goodness sake, it didn’t even make first story on the news at ten-instead we had to put up with Dave’s and Nick’s bulls**t. And even worse the BBC are still playing their little PC word games; they use the word broad term ‘Asian’ which, of course, is offensive to the Chinese, Indians and japanese for the perpetrators of this hideous crime and they conveniently leave out the word ‘white’ to describe the abused girls. Disgraceful!

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  17. London Calling says:

    Imagine the panic at BBC Editorial meeting, faced with the prospect of what to call these Muslim rapists. “Asian” Splendid. My GP is Indian. He’s Asian.
    BBC bending over backwards NOT to tell the truth. Helen Boaden, are you proud of the organisation you are paid a third of a million to run? Are your Genes “good”?

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  18. Nick says:

    They certainly are pursuing it. Along the lines of ‘its not a race issue’

    The problem is that it put pays to the response to ‘all muslims are terrorists”, with “all paedophiles are white.

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  19. Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

    INBBC sinks to new low. Bullshit and lies. Lies by omission of facts
    Huw Edwards hang your head in shame, you said the lines:” the police insist there was no racial motive for the crime”…what an arsehole, you make me ashamed to be Welsh.
    Any concern for the victims?…F**k all
    Most of the item concerned with rubbishing any link to race or Islam.
    What a bunch of twats, prostrating themselves before Allah…dhimmis every one

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  20. chrisH says:

    Read the Guardians take on this one.
    1. We are NOT…repeat NOT to see these cases as cause to introduce racial profiling…no sirree.
    2. The convicted men were all described as “British Pakistani”…as opposed to Pakistani Muslims.
    Isn`t it funny who gets included in “British Crime Survey” results….this is a colour-blind crime folks….saying anything other?…why you`re not better than Griffin or Wilders.
    Presumably if these blokes had saved the lives of nine girls-they`d be added to the Pakistani Muslim Heroes column…but they behaved like this-so they`ll be filed under “British”
    Makes you proud to be doesn`t it?

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  21. Eloise says:

    Rather offensive of the BBC to lump them all together as “Asians” to be honest rather than using the M word.

    But then the BBC have a pecking order when it comes to being PC.

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  22. Eloise says:

    I suspect the only reason the BBC even ran this story was their desperation to peddle the line that it is the Muslim community, as always, that is the “real victim” in this sorry affair as nasty right wingers might end up criticising Islam as a result.

    **** the victims seems to be the BBC stance.

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  23. EvilNaked says:

    Doesn’t it make you want to go out and celebrate diversity?

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  24. chrisH says:

    You can see why Vaz is a lawyer can`t you?
    On the Beeb website he says that this crime is not a “racial issue”.
    True indeed if you stick to his definition of what a race crime is.
    For Islam is NOT a race…but a religion.
    Therefore this crime is a “religious issue”…and not any old religious issue.
    It is an Islamic issue-and therefore a Muslim issue-and confined to Pakistan and the affected hellholes round about.
    So too is terrorism..so too is incest marriage…so too is TB, heroin production and vicious hatred of women, gays and Christians, Hindus, sikhs…and it`s rumoured that they don`t like Jews too much either!
    Hats off to the Religion of Peace then.
    Or should that be heads off?…

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    • wally greeninker says:

      In the commens on this story at ‘Atlas shrugs’ a Jewish woman living in a mxed neighbourhood in Pzfat, Israel describes how: ” The arab children lean out of their windows every afternoon and taunt the [Jewish] religious schoolgirls walking by – “Come upstairs, whores, we will fuck you. This is why you are here. Whore Whore whore…”

      I wonder what could connect young Arabs in Israel with middle-aged Pakistanis in northern England.

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  25. Craig says:

    There does seem to have been a bit of a breakthrough in some of the BBC’s reporting today, but it’s a mixed picture.

    This online report is pretty balanced and doesn’t underplay the Pakistani or even the Muslim element in the story:

    Rochdale grooming trial: Split views on race issue

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17996245

    However, another online BBC article (as Henry Wood points out above) seems much more concerned with the problem of the “far-right” and is far more what we would expect from the BBC, ending with someone pushing a positive multicultural message:

    Heywood: Rochdale town at the centre of child sex ring

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17899841

    Two steps forward, one step back then?

    Or two steps forward and two steps back? As Chris says above, the coverage on the BBC 6 O’Clock News was strikingly different to ITV’s 6.30 News.

    They each had a reporter in the studio to provide analysis of the case. If I transcribe what they said about the racial issue, so that you can see the contrasting messages being put across by the two channels:

    BBC, Judith Moritz:
    “Well, Fiona, the BBC understands that there are currently seven such cases involving Asian defendants either going through the courts in the UK or waiting to go through the courts in the UK but, as you say, the issue of whether so-called street grooming falls down racial lines has proved controversial.

    Now the only recent study on the subject was done last year by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre. They looked at similar cases involving 2,000 victims and the offenders connected with those cases. They looked at their ethnicity. In half of the cases they couldn’t tell what the ethnicity of the offenders was, but in the remaining group they found the majority of those offenders were white (38%) and the minority (at 25%) were of Asian origin.

    So that research does not back up the fact that this falls down racial lines. It depends then who you talk to.

    And tonight, weighing into the fray, the chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee, Keith Vaz, has said that he believes that race and ethnicity should be taken out of this debate altogether but, at the same time, that the root causes of his problem should now be looked at very closely indeed.”

    ITV, Penny Marshall:
    “Well, the vast majority of sex offenders who groom children are white men acting alone. That is a fact. However, if you started looking at group activity, cases like this – where you see men acting in groups – then you do seem to see an emerging picture and I have some statistics and data from the University of London which shows that they’ve analysed five of the most recent cases of groups of men (mercifully rare cases, but they ARE happening) and they show that of the 52 offenders who were charged in those five cases 83% were of British Pakistani origin. So there IS an emerging picture and it’s something that the community is aware of and is trying to deal with this rare criminal element.”

    So, the BBC reporter says the evidence DOESN’T seem to support the idea that Asians are disproportionately responsible and Keith Vaz doesn’t want the issue discussed anyhow, whereas the ITV reporter says that the evidence DOES seem to support the idea that British Pakistanis are disproportionately responsible (by a very large margin) and that ‘the community’ is aware of the problem. Quite a different picture!

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    • Craig says:

      The odd thing about Judith Moritz’s claim that the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre’s research shows that “the majority of those offenders were white (38%) and the minority (at 25%) were of Asian origin” is that, in first article I linked to, the BBC says:

      “And the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) said it was “investigating why there may be a majority of Asians in these particular kinds of offence”.”

      So, Judith Moritz is reporting that the CEOP is saying one while while the CEOP itself (according to another part of the BBC) seems to be saying exactly the opposite.

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      • Reed says:

        If we take those stats to be correct…

        38% white – 25% Asian

        …and then consider the relative percentages of those two groups in the population as a whole, it’s clear that Asians are vastly over-represented in this type of crime. Perhaps this is the source of the confusion – absolute numbers verses per-head figures.

        In short – they have a serious cultural problem that if ignored will only create more innocent young victims.

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        • London Calling says:

          Problem is the media employment of arts graduates who run a mile faced by any numbers (other than an expenses claim)
          If the UK approximate population proportions were 90% white 5% Asian, and 5% other (I assume black) , than an Asian is about ten times more likely to be a raping paedophile than a white person.
          Its not a difficult calculation unless you can’t bring yourself to do it because you believe it is your objective is to promote community cohesion..

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    • Guest Who says:

      ‘Split views on race issue’
      Is that a normal, 50:50 ‘split’, or a BBC 100:1 against ‘No Pressure-styly’ split?
      Time for a Graun/LSE poll, held… somewhere ‘suitable’.

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  26. Harry says:

    Is anybody aware that a Labour and Lib-Dem councillors (one an ex-mayor of Rochdale) gave character references for one of the guilty defendants.

    http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesthttp://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1491625_councillors-give-their-backing-to-hard-working-family-man-accused-in-rochdale-grooming-case

    Just goes to show how far the community leaders (and our government members) are willing to stick their necks on these individuals. I doubt we’ll ever hear a follow up story on this.

    From the article:
    One of them from Councillor Aftab Hussain said: “I have known Abdul Qayyum for the last 10 years as a local resident in the area. He lives with his wife and two children. Mr Qayyum is a hard-working person. He has worked hard throughout his life. Within the community, he comes across very well and I have never seen or heard of any wrongdoing before this case. I personally was shocked to hear about this news.” Councillor Zulfiqar Ali, a former Mayor of Rochdale, wrote: “I have known Mr Abdul Qayyum since the 1990s when he arrived in Rochdale. “He has lived in Rochdale all of this time. “All the years he has lived in Rochdale he has always been involved in community activities and always makes time to help others, for example cleaning the neighbourhood, helping out in the local youth club and most importantly he looks after his family.

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    • Harry says:

      for* these individuals

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    • Doggywoggy says:

      “All the years he has lived in Rochdale he has always been involved in community activities

      Yes and now we know what community activities that he was involved in… The dirty F***ing perverts!

      Get rid of all the racist PC laws and allow the police the freedom to uphold the law equally for everyone!

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      • Harry says:

        Agreed. Political correctness is an enforced morality, not a real morality. It gives the appearance that people are treating each other with respect, while underneath it causes resentment. It is also patronising, dishonest, and a shoddy replacement for British manners. The BBC is the chief exponent of Political Correctness and should be sorely reprimanded.

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  27. Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

    Newsnight: so far zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    mind you we have the pleasure of advice from mandelson! time for bed, nurse my pills?

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  28. AJEC says:

    I spluttered on my water bottle in the gym a little earlier today watching the BBC’s 8pm headlines on the news channel. As the sound was off, subtitles are displayed with the pictures.

    As the smiling ‘gentlemen’ were shown walking to court, some idiot typed out:- ‘the men, from Rochdale and Oldham, ‘creamed’ the girls, one as young as 13!!

    If it was not so serious, it might have been funny unfortunately this ‘mistake’ was grossly insensitive to the victims.

    Are there really no checks and balances on typos going out? Pretty shoddy and a total lack of professionalism at the BBC.

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  29. Auntie BS says:

    If it had been a group of Israeli men doing this to a group of Pakistani girls, the BBC would be salivating at the prospect of lettng us all know exactly where they were from.

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  30. Rob says:

    Sexual exploitation of females may not be only connected with one community it may well be prevelant accross all communitues and races and religions but it is one community and one religion in particular who exploit white mostly christian females on an industrial scale and its not Catholics.

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  31. Wayne X says:

    The BBC motto ‘nation shall speak peace unto nation’ does not of course include the British nation. It is very unfortunate that they have got into this habit of not quite telling the truth, of omitting parts of a story, of bringing on the experts who will always pronounce in favour of the BBC line or, if they cannot find the right kind of expert, then it’s the two reporters interviewing each other in order to get the required result.

    In this particular case, as we usually do, we jumped straight on the back of the Beeb because we recognise this habit once again and quite rightly so. The fact is that the BBC is never averse to creating a bit of trouble when they feel in is in the cause of elitist socialism, or whatever it is they think they are, but we all know what the consequences would be if they played this story up in the same way, and so do the police.

    Last week three thousand EDL supporters met and had a bit of a march in Luton. They tried very hard to stay out of trouble, despite provocation from hard left wingers, anarchists and some chaps with beards from the religion of peace, and apparently they succeeded. Now, the BBC and the rest of the media can denigrate the EDL all it likes because they are working class, inarticulate and like a pint or two but the fact is there are many more thousands of people who do not march but that have a lot of sympathy for their aims. Those aims, as I understand them, are not to cause trouble or be racist but to expose the religion of peace for what it is, and if one thing is certain, the folks of the religion of peace are not Christian and their beliefs do not generally coincide with what we think of as Christian behaviour.

    So, it would not take much encouragement in these times of new financial responsibility, (so called austerity) when folks are feeling a bit sore, hard done by and just a little oppressed, for those other thousands of people to get of the sofa and join the EDL marches and make the prophesies of a certain Mr E. Powel come hideously true.

    The BBC and the rest of the media, along with the police and the government behind them very desperately want to keep the lid on this problem. The trouble is that it really is a problem and they should start to address it because we the citizens of this great nation are watching carefully and we do not like what we see. If people are not treated like adults they will not behave like adults.

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  32. Roland Deschain says:

    Didn’t MacPherson define racism as ‘Any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person’?

    I wonder how the victims in this case, and their parents perceive it?

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    • Harry says:

      No matter what the Police or BBC says, these are racist crimes. If they were white gangs targeting Young “Asian” girls, they would be called “Racist sex-gangs”, without a shadow of a doubt.

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  33. The Highland Rebel says:

    Moh the murderer himself said that a dog is higher up the social ladder than a woman so this kind of thing is accepted in the Islamic lands.
    The b-bbc, Labour and the MSM encouraged the Islamification of this country and are no doubt comfortable with paedophillia and child rape.

    But history shows us, nae warns us, that when Islam takes over then civilisation, human decency and freedom dies.

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  34. johnyork says:

    And I’m looking forward to bask in enlightenment from the Prophets Dez and Scott over our misunderstanding of this touchy Pakistani issue !

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  35. Andy S. says:

    Despite what Plod and the BBC are spinning, these are racist crimes. They only prey on white girls because they see them as “easy” and “slags” who are only fit for sexual exploitation. This was confirmed to me some years ago by some Pakistani youths who were continually pestering young white girls at our local bus station. They told me they were told by their elders that they are allowed to “pleasure themselves” (their words) on white girls because they were of no significance. I asked one of these lads if he had a sister (yes he did) and what would he do if he found me pleasuring myself on her. He said very menacingly that he would kill me.

    It isn’t just Pakistani gangs that are active. Some years ago a gang of Yemeni asylum seekers ( seeking asylum from their National Service) were sexually exploiting girls as young as twelve years old who they picked up at our city centre swimming baths. Most of these young girls also happened to be from troubled backgrounds, in local authority care or from disfunctional families. The offenders were adherents of the religion of peace,though.

    For the BBC to describe the offenders merely as Asian is surely insulting to Hindus and Sikhs ( I’m old fashioned and describe Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese etc. as “Oriental” – probably none-PC) who,to my knowledge, don’t indulge in grooming and gang rape of children.

    By the way, nothing happened to the Yemeni gang. It seems the CPS didn’t think a court would believe the evidence of the victims and so wouldn’t bring a prosecution . Seems our guardians of the law are still using that excuse.

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    • Backwoodsman says:

      Those on the left never let a little inconvenience like the facts effect their stance on any issue.
      It is inconceivable that sufficient beeboids do not have factual experience of just how disfunctional muslim societys round the world are , to make a value judgement that they should not have been allowed to establish themselves in Britain.
      A system of incentivised repatriation is called for
      urgently.

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  36. Lynn Grace-Corbin says:

    Can someone explain to me the BBC’s logic in stating that because there are white paedophiles committing similar crimes, this specific case, and others including Asian/Muslim men, can’t be racially motivated? If that’s the case then the murder of Stephen Lawrence couldn’t have been racist, because there are black youths that commit similar knife crime. Dear BBC, stop taking us for bloody idiots!

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  37. Leftie-Loather says:

    DEPORT!! Obviously to one of the Muslim countries they might have dual nationality with or where they enjoy going on long holidays to and where they’ve usually got shitloads of relatives who’d have them. They do their FULL prison sentences first and then – stuff THEIR Human Rights! – they’re immediately deported. GET EM’ OUT!!

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  38. Reed says:

    Local BBC Radio news updates earlier today made no mention of either the race or national heritage of the offenders, except to quote someone who claimed that the race of those in court played no part in their crimes, whatever race that might be – again, we weren’t told.

    The only time they gave specifics about any group was to say that the verdict coincided with local protests from ‘far right groups’.

    Some value judgements seem permanently necessary at the BBC, while others are a barrier to understanding.

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  39. Reed says:

    We are also being told to believe that as this area is predominantly populated by Asian muslims, it is not remarkable that all of the offenders were of this demographic and there is therefore no racial element to this series of crimes. If this is true of the area, is it not worth noting that none of the victims is of this same demographic, but are all white?

    The very defence they use to negate the racial aspect of this story only serves to demonstrate it’s obviousness.

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  40. Reed says:

    “Labour MP Keith Vaz warns against opening Pandora’s Box over race relations by blaming a particular race or religion for grooming girls”

    We’ll see if he holds to this standard next time there appears to be a racially motivated crime where whites are the offenders and non-whites the victims. Let’s hush those claims of racial motivation in the name of preserving harmony and community cohesion. What are the odds?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141279/Rochdale-child-sex-trial-Nine-men-guilty-grooming-passing-round-young-girls-sex-plying-vodka-drugs.html#ixzz1uIEIfS40

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    • Merlin says:

      Great comments mate. Perhaps the most disgusting element in this Pakistani RACIAL attack on young WHITE girls is the attempted cover up by the police and their politically correct cowardice to admit that it is indeed a predominantly Muslim problem. They’re all walking round in circles trying to obfuscate the Muslim link – what do they think we are? Bloody infants? If this were the other way round the MSM and the PC police force would be openly instigating mass riots. The special treatment of Muslims is appalling and an affront to the British people; it’s one of the greatest treacheries Britain has seen. The fawning trying-its-best-to-protect-Muslims BBC report simply couldn’t resist the chance to portray negative coverage of the ‘far-right’ even though their justified protests had nothing to do with this foul case of abuse. Also, it’s about time they stopped wheeling out Keith Vaz and so-called moderate community spokesmen to try divert attention.
      We live in a an extremist left wing state that increasingly panders to and covers up ethnic minority wrong doing; we’re in trouble me reckons, unless of course…unless of course, the people begin to stand up for truth and vote for a party that will change all of this.

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      • Leftie-Loather says:

        Reed, absolutely agree with Merlin, all really top notch comments mate. Pathetic and choosily ‘specific’ Al-Beeb is just utterly gutless and no way represents the vast majority of its many millions of paymasters it keeps stupidly and naively treating as fools.

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  41. lojolondon says:

    To be fair, the BBC did spend a while on the subject on Radio 4 yesterday, asking about the attackers, and if there was a pattern. They did manage to say that out of about 70 ‘paedo gangs’, 20 were white, a couple black, 35 asian, and 15 race unknown.
    They have avoided this race issue for as long as possible, and tackled it yesterday, but some good points are made above here – like the word ‘asian’ – from Japan, China, Vietnam, Korea, Mongolia, to Pakistan and India, the BBC refers to all as ‘asian’, thus actually covering up the Muslim element of the attack.
    Also, when some white people fight with black people, it is immediately classed as a racist incident, by the cops, media, Diane Abbott etc. Here the cops have been told that by saying it is not racist they are avoiding reprisals by vigilantes etc. Problem is the BBC’s main aim is the smoothing over of future race relations, not reporting the truth.
    This is also why the cops probably did not investigate the earlier allegation, and the CPS refused to prosecute – ‘legal aid’ immediately cries ‘racist’ and investigates the police / CPS history to look for a pattern, and a career destroyed.

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  42. Jim Dandy says:

    Pure horsesh1t I’m afraid, as Craig and others have pointed out. Radio 4’s coverage this morning took the ethnicity of the perps head on. And the BBC news last night did not shy away from the fact. Radio 4 quoted stats from the police about what percentage of this type of crime were White and how many Asian (just below half the latter).

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Jim, the BBC couldn’t avoid dealing with the ethnicity. But every report I’ve seen then wheeled on spokesmen to tell us it wasn’t racist, which is insulting to our intelligence.

      The issue to me isn’t whether every case of “grooming” is racist (it plainly isn’t) but whether this one was. There can be no doubt it was but there’s been a clear implication that because grooming in general isn’t racist, this case wasn’t.

      Denying the obvious is simply playing into the hands of the BNP and their ilk.

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      • Wayne X says:

        I’m surprised our friend Jim Dandy can walk through a door without bumping into it if he has as much trouble with doors as with the truth. He makes King Canute look like Einstein.
        Now come on….. you are Mandleson aren’t you?

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    • Lynn Grace-Corbin says:

      What does percentages have to do with the motivation of a crime?

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    • chrisH says:

      But Jim.
      Not noticed the regular conflation of “Asian” with “Pakistani”…the interchangeability according to what the BBC want us to take as the narrative?
      Not noticed the idea of this not being a “racial crime”-but then refusing to think of it as a “religious” one….and an Islamic one in particular?
      Any thoughts why Jim…did Orwell teach us nothing about weasel words?…and your ostrich tendencies to refuse to engage or give us the facts to counter what I say doesn`t help shift my “judgemental take” on all this.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Jim Dandy says:
      May 9, 2012 at 7:23 am
      Pure [BBC calibre source material] I’m afraid

      Mr. Dandy, after a promising return citing facts alone to good and valuable effect, this return to form in snatching back derision for opinionated arrogance from the jaws of fair concession in substantive debate stands you in good stead for a career in gutter politics. Ever thought of being Leader of the Conservative Party?

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    • Merlin says:

      Oh Jim, ply us not with your false reasoning and foul justifications man! I know you’ve been asked to play Devil’s Advocate on David’s site but, please, vex us not on what is such a hideous episode. The BBC’s coverage has been tentative and cautiously selective to say to least. Why else would they spend at least half of each report painting the BNP in a negative light and wheeling out useless community leaders and clowns like Vaz if not to divert attention away from the main issue of what is an evident epidemic. Some simply won’t accept that there is a clear problem because to do so would destroy any infantile notions of a utopian multicultural future that they are so keen to impose on everyone else. The MSM, apart from perhaps the Daily Mail, have all pussy footed around using the word Muslim and indeed, the police, originally were afraid to investigate for fear of being branded racist! Political correctness at its foulest

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  43. NotaSheep says:

    This morning the BBC seem to have self-censored even further – see this

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  44. wally greeninker says:

    The problem is that we are going o have to put up with even more celebration of Muslim, and particularly Pakistani, culture as a result of all this. Also expect demonising of Wilders, the EDL etc to get even more intense.

    Auster’s law of Majority/ Minority relations in liberal society states: “The worse any designated minority or alien group behaves in a liberal society, the bigger become the lies of political correctness in covering up for that group”.
    Taking the example of Muslims after 9/11 he observes: “Thus, instead of the revelation over the last 14 months [after 9/11] of Islam’s dangerous and savage character leading (as would happen in a rational world) to a major discrediting of Muslims, or at least to a more sceptical attitude toward them, it has led to their being more favored, more coddled and more protected from criticism than ever before. They now get a whole new level of solicitous, sycophantic treatment, ranging from PBS “histories” of Islam that are more full of uncritical celebration of their subject than a tourist travelogue, to the media’s constant attacks on the rest of us for indulging in an anti-Muslim backlash which has somehow never occurred.”

    As a corollary: “The more egregiously any non-Western or non-white group behaves, the more evil WHITES are made to appear for noticing and drawing rational conclusions about that group’s bad behaviour.”

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  45. chrisH says:

    Quite right Wally.
    Islam despises the gutless cultural cringers as much as we do.
    We agree on that at least.
    I `ve worked against(and with) Muslims in the past, and I know they treat the lily-livered BBC types with the contempt due.
    But then they assume that we`re all “asking for it” or as scornful of the west as the BBC and its liberal supplicants.
    They therefore smell the fear, the ignorance…and then project their own stench of same onto the rest of us.
    Until they aspire to join the 15th Century in terms of theological hermaneutics, they are one stuffed, retro nasty little “faith” that will need swatting one way or the other.
    Their Koran gives them permission to smile out of both sides at the same time…witness Bernard Bresslaw in the Carry On film…so no surprise that entryism is used much as Gramsci or Alinsky recommended.
    About time some knowledgeable Christians or Sikhs rose up…the Jews are already prepared I`d say.

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  46. WAKE UP says:

    I don’t care what religion / culture / colour they are, they’re as GUILTY AS SIN and should be hung.

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