UK AND US NOW TO BLAME

Been busy all day but tuned into the PM programme on Radio 4. Was intrigued to hear a debate on WHY UK and US foreign policy is to blame for the riots in Egypt. Great delusional stuff – but please, surely Palin is also to blame? And the Jews, of course. Good old BBC – cheering on the soon-to-be Islamic Republic of Egypt (copyright Khomeni, 1979)
 

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46 Responses to UK AND US NOW TO BLAME

  1. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Well, they scream that regime change is “illegal”, sanctions are frowned upon as “collective punishment”, meddling in foreign affairs is nasty imperialism, funding insurgencies is bad, and letting things slip into chaos is wrong. What alternative is there which would be approved by this crowd?  I haven’t heard any.  We’re damned if we do, and damned if we don’t.

    Makes me feel like Daffy Duck:


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  2. George R says:

    Glenn Beck, ‘FOX NEWS’ NOW (from 10 pm Sky channel 509 in UK) is very good on Egypt , and on the poor MSM coverage of it, including Muslim Brotherhood.

    I’ll try to post video clip here Tuesday.

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    • George R says:

      This is Glenn Beck’s Preface from tonight’s programme:

      http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/glenn-beck/index.html

      Beck will be covering Egypt, Muslim Brotherhood and Islam all week. Given that Fox News has (unfortunately) a large Saudi shareholder, Beck’s reporting shows more critical independence in his analysis in one programme than you will find at INBBC in a whole year.

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  3. TrueToo says:

    Last week World Have Your Say Had half a programme titled Protests in Egypt hosted by the awful Chloe Tilly, who did little but hang on for the ride as the carefully chosen guests talked revoution in Egypt.

    Tonight’s show, hosted by Ros Atkins, was a bit better. Though a committed leftie (would he ever get a job like that on the BBC if he weren’t one) he is fairly balanced and too wordly wise to accept whatever he is fed.

    Worth a listen, if you can ignore the inane title:

    Do you want President Mubarak to step down?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/whys

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Interesting.  A couple years ago, back when there was massive unrest after Mugabe rigged the election, I heard Chloe Tilly scolding callers who favored removing Mugabe.  Back then, the BBC Narrative on the issue – and this was not just on the World Service, but across the spectrum of BBC broadcasting – was that it was an African problem, to be handled only by Africans.  I wonder what the difference is now?

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      • John Horne Tooke says:

        This Chloe Tilley? The heavyweight journalist?

        “Chloe co-presents BBC Radio Newcastle’s late afternoon show Monday to Friday between 16:00 and 19:00. Find out who the former waitress would like to be stuck in a lift with …”
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/wear/content/articles/2006/04/29/presenter_profile_chloe_tilley_feature.shtml

        Talk about dumbing down current affairs.

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        • John Horne Tooke says:

          This, of course is the problem. The BBc have ex-aftrernoon radio call in disc jockeys to present so called “serious” debate about major upheavels in the world. Its just a joke.

          “Proudest achievement

          Convincing my husband we should get cats”

          Just says it all really.

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          • Andrew says:

            This probably makes some sense as they can internalise some of the propoganda techniques they use on the wider public.  If they can get some less inquisitive and challenginging minds fronting this stuff it makes it easier for fewer people to manage editorial policy unchallenged.

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      • NotaSheep says:

        Egypt borders and has a peace treaty with Israel…

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      • hippiepooter says:

        @ DP >>I wonder what the difference is now?<<

        Ermm, Bush is no longer in power pursuing a freedom agenda so they can get back to pretending they care about democracy?

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      • TrueToo says:

        Hmmmmm, this really is a fascinating one. Well, apart from Egypt being north of the equator while Zimbabwe is south, I guess the BBC agenda is sort of like so:

        Dictator Mugabe: African liberation hero deserving undying loyalty no matter what he does to his people.

        Dictator Mubarak: Relatively friendly to the US and Israel and therefore beyond contempt.

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  4. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Mark Mardell is now suggesting that the President of the United States ordered the Egyptian Army into the streets a few days ago.

    Obama’s behind-the-scenes-efforts in Egypt


    The relationship between the United States and the Egyptian army is strong and could be critical. One well-placed source has told the BBC that lines are buzzing between Washington and Cairo, with talk of the new vice-president and intelligence chief Omar Suleiman organising the transition. “$1.7bn in aid buys you the capacity to have that conversation,” says the source.

    And what does Mardell opine was the result of that conversation?

    Shortly after President Barack Obama called for the repression and violence to stop, the Egyptian army appeared on the streets. The police disappeared. The repression and violence stopped. Is this causality or coincidence ?

    We knew the Beeboids were desparate to refute the President’s critics and show how their beloved Obamessiah was going to fix everything.  This is how low they will sink to do it.  All of a sudden the BBC is happy to suggest that the US is engaging in illegal regime change and possibly ordering a military coup.  Can you believe it?

    Give praise to the LORD, proclaim his name;
       make known among the nations what he has done.
    Sing to him, sing praise to him;
       tell of all his wonderful acts.
    Glory in his holy name;
       let the hearts of those who seek the LORD rejoice.

    I Chronicles 16:8-10

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  5. pounce_uk says:

    Has the bBC no shame here is what it is currently airing on its website:
    The BBC’s Katty Kay notes: “For all the talk of end of American empire, no-one wants to know what the Chinese are saying to Mubarak.”

     Cuba’s former leader Fidel Castro has criticised the Obama administration’s handling of the unrest in Egypt. “Obama doesn’t have any way to manage the can of worms that he has opened,” Mr Castro wrote for Cuba’s state media. Cuba’s officials have yet to comment on the protests.

    The bBC doesn’t even bother hiding its leftwing pro Islamic terrorist stance anymore.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Katty is just reminding everyone that the US still rules OK.  After all, the President has ordered a military coup to remove Mubarak.  They’re just negotiating his redundancy pacakge now.  That’s what Mark Mardell suggests is going on now.

      The BBC approves of regime change orchestrated by the US – when it’s The Obamessiah doing it.

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    • Grant says:

      Wouldn’t it be funny if there was “unrest” in Cuba ?

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      • NotaSheep says:

        How could there be? Cuba is a paradise on earth; it must be because the BBC keep telling me so. As an aside it amazes me how many, seemingly, intelligent friends and work aquaintances think that Cuba is an ethical  holiday destination.

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        • hippiepooter says:

          Well, I guess that’s one way to sublimate going to one of the world’s major sexual tourism destinations.

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        • Grant says:

          Nota,
          Sorry, I forgot. Silly me !

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          • Grant says:

            I notice the BBC are still referring to “unrest”.  It reminds me of how they clung to the word “downturn” during the recession.
            What a bunch of plonkers.

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  6. Richard says:

    Actually the US does bear a large responsibility, the UK less. Use of bio-ethanol made from edible grains in automotive fuels has increased world food prices, which probably triggered the riots. So in trying to alleviate a mythical envornmental catastrophe we have contributed. Not likely to hear that story from the BBC, though, are we?

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    • Grant says:

      Richard,
      Surely it is all down to Global Warming ?  The Egyptians getting a touch of the sun.

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    • pounce_uk says:

      If only it was that simple Richard. For a start the biggest elephant in the room is the demographic explosion which is rife in Islamic countries, which helps explain why so many people are unemployed and why so many people (As in Tunisa) are protesting for …work.

      But this is where it gets silly, you see the one of the rallying calls of the MB has been that if they get into power they will find work for everybody. Yet they also wish to scrap the combined Eygptian/Israeli  Industrial sites which employ hundreds of thousands of Egyptians,  sites I should add which are allowed to export their goods to the US tax free. In other words guaranteed work. Yet because of the Jewish /American connection the MB wants to close them down.

      Now back to the redirection of grain for the biotech industries. The Russians and Indians have both curtailed food exports due to bad harvests last year. Pakistan suffered a flood so will be importing food stocks rather than exporting. Southern Australia’s grain crop for the latter part of 2010 has been ruined. Also what isn’t widely advertised is the EU in Dec 2008 signed an agreement in which to ensure that 10% of the EUs transport fuels will come from biofuels. In order to do reach that target European companies have been buying up land in Africa, central America and Asia. Areas of the world I should add which could do with growing food for eating rather than crops to power vehicles.
      All these impart more towards the price of food stuffs than the US. Lastly the Economist ran an article on the latest methods in which to find an alternative to crude based fuels. Very interesting and the latest methods look towards algae, bacteria and the stalks of crops (which are usually burnt to dispose of them) instead of grain in which to produce drop in fuels rather than ethanol. However these are still to go fully on line.

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      • Richard says:

        Of course, but we can’t possibly blame the EU! No, the US, the UK and Israel are responsible, unless Egyptian people ‘benefit’ from the final results of the demonstrations (perhaps by coming under kindly Islamist rule), in which case the EU gets the credit, or perhaps Iran or some other nation benign in the BBC’s eye.

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    • Charlie says:

      When grain prices were £40 and £50 per ton only a few short years ago no one wanted the stuff.
      Farmers were struggling to make a decent living. We had Set Aside. (paid not to grow)

       Bio fuels the best thing to happen to farmers, it gave  a market for unwanted grain   they have to make a living too. When the EU grain  storage had a bad name with all those supposed surpluses they got rid of it all. Far to expensive to store, they said. Food production is not a tap to turn on and off at a whim. It takes long term investment.

      Even in ancient times they had feast and famine, caused by floods and variable weather conditions. Egypt  built huge grain stores to counter feast and famine.

      Algeria bought 800,000 tonnes of wheat last week, and Indonesia has ordered 800,000 tonnes of rice, both greatly exceeding their normal pace of purchases. Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Bangladesh, are trying to secure extra grain supplies.

      We know the reason why.

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  7. George R says:

    Here is video of last night’s ‘Fox News’ GLENN BECK on EGYPT, etc ,(in 2 parts):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gARNuJxFuXs&feature=player_embedded

    His approach is more critical in tone, more questioning of the ‘received wisdom’ of the likes of INBBC, and researches into the Muslim Brotherhood, not taking it at face value.

    And his insistance that we do our own reseach on the politics of Egypt, not take anyone’s word on it, is the sort of advice the pontificating INBBC does not give.

    Glenn Beck continues his theme for most of this week at:

    FOX NEWS, on Sky satellite channel 509, 10 pm UK time.

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  8. Deborah says:

    On the Today programme this morning it was reported that there were calls for 1 million people to take to the streets (calls from whom? and just because they are called doesn’t mean they will arrive) and that the protests would continue until Mobarak resigned (says who with what authority?).

    Made me think of the Countryside March.  There were at least half a million on the streets (out of a smaller possible pool of protestors) who would mostly also have liked the Labour Government to have resigned.  It wasn’t reported by the BBC in quite the same way.

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    • Grant says:

      Deborah,
      The “authority” is the ulimate authority, namely the BBC.  How dare anyone question them or their anonymous  “sources”   ?

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Every protester they’ve spoken to has said they’re staying in Tahrir Square until Mubarak steps down.  They think they can outlast him, unlike how the Iranian protests of last year couldn’t outlast the mullahs.

        And the BBC always takes the word of protesters when it’s causes they support.  When it’s a Tea Party protest, of course, they suggest the worst possible intentions and attitudes, and that it’s a flash in the pan which won’t last.

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  9. pounce_uk says:

    Is anybody else getting sick of how Eygpt has taken over our lives. I personally don’t give a shit about who,what,why and when. But according to the bBC the only thing worth reporting about is… Egypt. Fine i can accept that but when it brings out this as a headline:
    “For those who didn’t catch it on our live news feed, the BBC’s Frank Gardner says there’s a joke doing the rounds among Egyptians that they’ll soon be watching Mr Mubarak on the History Channel – not on the BBC or CNN.”
    Does it mean they have nothing more to opine on the subject. So have gone native. The silly thing is the last time Gardner went native he ended up in a wheelchair. 

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    • Grant says:

      I am sure Egyptians talk about little else than the History Channel.
      On the other hand, Frank Gardner may just be lying.

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  10. George R says:

    INBBC enters into the ‘carnival atmospere’ in Cairo – as protesters hang effigy of Mubarak.

    INBBC’s John Sudworth, now added to the long list of INBBC ‘reporters’ in Egypt – land of ‘carnival’ and the Muslim Brotherhood.

    “‘Carnival atmosphere’ at Cairo demo”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12334033

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    • George R says:

      Notice the Star of David on the tie of effigy; all part of INBBC’s ‘carnival atmoshere’.

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      • George R says:

        And now its the turn of Mr. J. Simpson of INBBC’s massive staff presence in Egypt now, of somewhat pro-Muslim Brotherhood ‘reporters’ to come out with some empty words about how ‘exhilarating’ it is to see thousands of Muslims praying in the streets of Cairo, and how he doesn’t know what will happen next.

        “Thousands gather at Egypt protest”

         (includes vapid Simpson video)

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12331520

        Thank goodness Glenn Beck is covering Egypt again tonight (Sky channel 509, 10 pm Uk time).

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        • George R says:

          I can’t keep up with the numbers of INBBC ‘reporters’ now in Egypt to tell us with their profound wisdom (achieved after many of them arrived in the country just days ago) that the Muslim Brotherhood founded there is not a global Islamic supremacist  organisation. And despite their huge numbers, INBBC ‘reporters’ there manage to ignore the concerns of Christian Copts.

          INBBC ‘reporters’ in Egypt now includes:

          Kevin Connolly

          Mark Georgiou

          Lyse Doucet

          Wyre Davies

          Paul Danahar

          Jim Muir

          Jeremy Bowen

          Jon Leyne

          John Sudworth

          Please add to list: I’m sure I’ve missed some.

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          • George R says:

            Not forgetting:

            John Simpson

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          • David Preiser (USA) says:

            Tim Willcox has been there since Monday morning.  Who’s there for the radio channels?  Each fiefdom must have it’s own, unique report, featuring a Beeboid familiar to the audience of that channel, each of whom is saying the exact same thing, sometimes even word for word, as the others.

            The only thing which will change this, as far as I can tell, is if St. Nelson dies, in which case half of them will be flying overnight business class to Johannesburg.

            If this continues to follow the Chile pattern, Matt Frei will be next to give us his cringeworthy metaphors.

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          • David Preiser (USA) says:

            Add Cara Swift to the list.  She’s live-texting from Tahrir Square.  No word on whether or not she’s wearing a hijab like the vast majority of woment there.

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  11. David Preiser (USA) says:

    While the Beeboids and their fellow travelers are busy blaming the US for propping up all these oppressive Muslim dictators, what happened to the idea that these dictators were able to last so long because they used the spectre of the Zionist Entity to distract their people from domestic problems?

    For decades now, every single Mohammedan leader has been able to blame Israel for nearly every woe faced by their population.  Without that distraction, I’d suggest that these dictators would have been gone ten years ago or more.

    What’s going on in Egypt right now seems to bear this out.  We keep seeing (censored by the BBC when they can help it) anti-Israel signs, and hearing even from the protesters themselves that some of them want the Muslim Brotherhood to be in charge.  I’ve said before, and I’ll say again, that the candidate who makes fighting Israel a top campaign platform will win. Clearly Israel has been a primary focus, and will remain so until the Egyptians have some kind of democracy where they feel like they have a stake in the outcome.

    No such analysis will be forthcoming from the Beeboids this week, as that won’t help the Narrative and obviously makes Israel less of the villain than they would like.

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  12. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Fresh from suggesting that the President of the US ordered the Egyptian Army into the streets to keep the country from getting too chaotic, Mark Mardell continues to tell you how the US is organizing regime change behind the scenes.  
     
    I love how something the Beeboids used to complain about before The Obmassianic Age is now perfectly acceptable.  
     
    This mindset is all around the BBC.  I just heard it from some Beeboid in Washington, and we learned yesterday that Chloe Tilly on the World Service has done a 180 from when she used to frown on US-enforced regime change in Zimbabwe.

    The BBC is a White House propaganda arm, and no mistake.  They get the memo, and dutifully shape their reporting to fit it.

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  13. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Lyce Doucet just now actually gave advice on how Egypt should proceed with removing Mubarak.  When some Egyptian talking head from a think tank said that the Army is going to sort things out and manage the transition, Doucet protested.

    “But that’s a military coup!”

    The man’s point was that the Army would oversee the transition to the real elections that the people want.  Doucet had to give her opinoin.

    “But that would change the whole color of the protests. It would then be a military coup…”, and tried to tell the guy that it’s not a good idea.  In other words, that’s not the kind of story she wants to tell, so is actually advising against it.

    Fortunately, the Egyptian man had a better head on his shoulders and kindly explained how wrong she was.

    Ignorance, arrogance, and the desire to be storytellers first and foremost at the BBC.

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    • Grant says:

      And Doucet probably is worried that the Military is secular and will resist an Islamic State.
      You never hear the BBC say anything bad about the Iranian Military.
      Beeboids are so simple-minded and transparent. They are pathetic.

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  14. George R says:

    “UK to send charter plane to Egypt”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12331851

    Will we licencepayers have to pay for a plane for INBBC hordes to use as required?

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  15. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Information about the protests in Egypt censored by the BBC:

    Cairo Million Man March Underway – Female Protesters Seen… Off to the Side

    Photos of a completely segregated society at the link.  Plus the obligatory anti-Israel and anti-US chanting.  But not to worry, despite all the hijab or burqa-laden women, Egypt is really a conservative, moderate Islamist society.

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  16. George R says:

    ‘Fox News’ GLENN BECK is way ahead of INBBC in his educational analysis of Egypt, Middle East and Muslim Brotherhood and is now explaining what the CALIPHATE is (on Sky channel 509 NOW in UK).

    I’ll post video of it here tomorrow.

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  17. David Preiser (USA) says:

    At last, the President has come out and said it’s time for democracy in Egypt.  Only a couple days late, but I’ll be generous and say it took that long to work out Mubarak’s generous redundancy package.  Swiss banks are closed on Sunday, after all.

    But what I really, really find most awesome is that the Beeboids are now going to be celebrating the US having influence and basically directing regime change in the Middle East.  It wasn’t so long ago that this was considered folly and cultural imperialism (what up, BBC World Service!).

    This is going to be like Jesus going to the Mount of Olives, you can tell.

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